Yet another disgruntled ex-stark employee. That makes NINE, yes 9 fucking major villains in the MCU that only became villains because they were pissed off at Tony Stark. He's practically a villain making factory at this point.
Every single one of Spiderman's villains had a personal beef with Stark, more so then they will ever have will spiderman
Name 5
Mysterio
Vulture
Shocker
Aldrich Killian
Whiplash
Ultron
SW/quicksliver
Zemo
Stane
You really can't count Vulture since it was more of an indirect thing. He was screwed over by a company employed by Stark. It's not like Tony decided to screw Vulture's salvage company over on purpose.
Weird, it's almost like Iron Man was the main character of the series or something
Well indirect or not, that's still a major personal/narrative connection that is going to be missing forever in the future spiderman sequels
Neither Mysterio nor Vulture had any "personal" connection to Spider-Man in the comics, they were just inventive criminals that ran afoul of him while doing crimes.
So their connection to Tony Stark is pretty irrelevant.
>Every single one of Spiderman's villains had a personal beef with Stark, more so then they will ever have will spiderman
>"Eight years. Not a word from the feds, nothing from those Halloween costume wearing bozos up there over at Stark Tower. And then all of a sudden, this little bastard in red tights shows up, and he thinks he can tear down everything I've built. Really? I'm gonna kill him."
Retard
Does Vanko count too? He's a second generation Stark revenger.
You are aware that Vanko is Whiplash, right?
Wait so you're telling me that a hero's actions caused the appearance of many villains? Where have I heard that before?
No I was not, thank you for bringing that to my attention.
OP is butt-pained that their tech origin is linked to the foremost inventor of the MCU instead of Spider-Man. When their origins were NEVER linked to Spider-Man, or even Norman Osborn or any other Spider-Man villain.
I mean, the Skrulls and Ronan the Accuser first appear in Captain Marvel and Guardians of the Galaxy...
Is it supposed to bother me that they first appeared in Fantastic Four comics?
You do know some villains was never angry at Spider-Man at the start. They all got angry when Spider-Man stopped them.
They're connecting his villains to another hero though, they shouldn't be connected to anyone but Spider-Man regardless of it being personal or not.
Those characters have been villains of the Avengers and the F4 and are pretty general. Mysterio and Vulture have always been pretty specific Spidey villains.
So how will Stark piss off Otto and Osborn?
Vanko isn't Tony's fuck up but the rest? Geez what an asshole.
>disgruntled ex-stark employee
I liked Mysterio's group.
It was what AIM should have been in IronMan3, instead of 2 scientists and 12 mercenaries doing only one science idea.
>Otto
>wife lost a limb during the events of Avengers, prompting Otto to do research on advanced robotic limbs in order for his wife to live a normal life again
>got shafted ala-Aldrich Killian style after pitching his idea to Stark Industries (in order to get more funding)
>Otto's wife dies from depression causing Otto's life to spiral out of control, blaming Stark for not giving him a chance all the while perfecting his limb research through criminal activities
>Osborn
>Stark competitor; go fucking crazy with the idea
meant for
>Every single one of Spiderman's villains had a personal beef with Stark, more so then they will ever have will spiderman
Scorpion has a beef with Spider-Man. And now he knows who Spider-man is.
>they shouldn't be connected to anyone but Spider-Man regardless of it being personal or not.
why?
doesn't matter why they became villains. They are enemies to Spider-Man
And also, he's served 5 more years than he would have in relation to Parker, so he might be out on good behavior or something
>JJJ introduced
Yeah, this is happening.
All the MCU Spider-Man movies would be better if instead of Tony Stark, all the characters were connected to Norman Osborn.
>You really can't count Vulture since
>Uhhh...Achsually
Have sex
Its almost like Ironman’s existence had a profound impact on the world of the MCU, so much so that even after his death and the defeat of Thanos army the world is still paying for the damage that he managed to do.
I’d have been far more upset had they used nothing but spider-man villains in the Ironman movies, as it is they are just giving them motivations that fit for the MCU, and honestly I’m fine with that because I can separate it from the comics that I enjoy.
Besides, it’s been a theory that Stark helped create Mysterio since we saw the opening of Civil War, Tony’s hologram tech that showed a younger him speaking to his parents is like tailor made for Mysterio.
I honestly hadn't even thought of that. That is fucking hilarious
It matters if there's a trend of Spider-Man villains being mad at Stark. Vulture was fine because it was indirect and only once, but when it continues it makes Spider-Man look like nothing more than Iron Man's clean up crew.
Stane, Whiplash and Killian are the fucking villains in the solo Iron Man movies, don't be fucking facile
Well they're both now connected to Spider-Man by virtue of him fucking them up and ruining their plots. Done.
>Implying spiderman knows or cares who he is
Stark doesn't figure into Mysterio's shtick at all past the initial reveal. After that it's just him wanting to be the star of the show
Mysterio invented that hologram tech, they do a flashback in the movie
Stark funded Quinton Beck’s project, which became said hologram tech. Beck was upset because Stark never credited him (understandable), and called the AR tech “B.A.R.F.” (stupid).
>past the initial revleal
aka his origin story and entire motivation, you lying faggot
His motivation is becoming seen as the new world's most favorite superhero which is in-character, it just so happens that the previous holder of that title was Iron Man
>just so happens
Did you even watch the movie? He wanted fame as a superhero after Tony fired him. He uses Stark tech and is helped by a bunch of ex-Stark employees.
Holy shit that’s like fucking verbatim the theory everyone had about a possible Mysterio back during Civil War. I can’t wait to see this tomorrow
And again, beyond the initial reveal of hey, he used to work for Stark, Tony doesn't matter in in his plans at all. Beck wanted to be recognised as "the smartest guy in the room" and says himself he was fired for being unstable. His plans involve Stark tech and ex-Stark people, but he himself does not care about Stark beyond "fuck that guy for firing me". Mysterio is about himself and himself only.
>still caring about mouseverse
That's your mistake, retard.
So what's the political message behind this?
Tony is the single source of most of the crazy tech in the MCU. It makes more sense that he'd be the source of tech-using villains as well. The dude was a huge douche, even to the people who liked him, of course he'd have a fucking army of people who would want him dead.
It's funny how they memed people into thinking that Tony was a hero. This faggot killed thousands of people during two days of quiptron and then "sacrificed" himself in a dumb move.
Isn't Spiderman pretty much broken now? He's basically inherited all the tech from Tony and got a huge Space Station flying around the earth with literally thousands of drones and probably other high tech weapons at his call. On top of that he has access and information to every facility and person in the world with his new A.I. waifu EDITH
Vulture was never a Stark employee, you dumbfuck nigger.
Anytime Pete needed a bit of tech was beyond the scope of his home lab, he would head over to Four Freedoms Plaza and build a sonic weapon or something.
The biggest problem with the original Spider-Man movies was they really downplayed what a tech hero Spidey is. Maybe the MCU is over compensating.
I wouldn't say the character is broken
read OP again you illiterate bumblefuck redneck.
I mean, in all fairness, Iron Man was the first prolific hero in the MCU. It makes sense he'd have a ton of effect on the world.
That being said, it would be nice to have more villains like Scorpion who want to just kill Spider-Man for personal reasons rather than being miffed at Tony.
>yet another disgruntled ex-stark employee
Toomes never worked for Stark
>Those characters have been villains of the Avengers and the F4 and are pretty general. Mysterio and Vulture have always been pretty specific Spidey villains.
I see, I see. And which superheroes have they been in conflict with in the MCU that aren't Spidey?
Do you begin to see why your outrage is just seen as fit-throwing over nothing?
I’m not really sure Zemo counts to be honest, his beef wasn’t just with Stark but rather he Avengers as a whole.
But why tie them to Stark? It's ridiculous.
>villains in the MCU that only became villains because they were pissed off at Tony Stark
Words sure are hard, huh Jethro?
Who fucking cares about MCU Spider-Man? Mysterio and Vulture are at a point I can see them fucking fight a more interesting hero and I'll go watch it.
But that’s not what happened, before Spidey shows up Toomes is a petty thief, he goes out of his way to avoid murder and any large elaborate schemes, two defining traits of Super Villains, after Spider-Man begins fucking up his shit he decides that he’s going to kill Peter. You’re doing some serious mental gymnastics to think that Ironman is the reason why Toomes goes full Vulture.
>mouse shills all jumping itt to defend their favorite corporate overlord
Don’t pretend like you faggots wouldn’t complain if black manta worked for Batman
Suicide Squad?
What about it? Having a bunch of Batman characters on the suicide squad isn’t the same thing as Mysterio being a butthurt stark employee
Iron Man was is/was the main haracter of the MCU, you'd think after more than 20 films people woul make peace with that fact
>Mysterio
Ok
>Vulture
Didn't really bitch about Stark after his first stolen cargo, then he clearly more bent on fucking with Parker
>Shocker
LMAO no, both fuckers were just hired guns, didn''t even mention Tony at all
>Aldrich Killian
Iron Man character
>Whiplash
Iron Man villain
>Ultron
This one is true, they fucked up Pym because of that
>SW/quicksliver
The twins were fucking with all the Avengers, not just Tony
>Zemo
Grey area, he fucked up personally with Stark a bit but his main goal was to destroy the Avengers team, and he did
>Stane
again, faithful to the source beuse he is an iron man villain
If Manta started off by using a stolen Wayne-tech sub to attack Wayne targets, yeah that would have been fine BUT Batman wasnt the trigger for the DCEU. He wasn't the main character like Tony was.
Vulture became a criminal because he lost his livelihood when Damage Control was created by Tony Stark.
>Vulture
>Shocker
Tony Stark made them lose their construction job at the start of Homecoming. That's why they started doing crimes.
>SW/Quicksliver
The twins joined Ultron to get their revenge on Tony Stark, because a Stark Industries missile hit the apartment when they were little.
Zemo got pissed due to his family dying in AoU, which wouldn't have happened if Stark didn't create Ultron.
>The twins were fucking with all the Avengers, not just Tony
SW/quicksliver literally only became angry with Stark/the avengers due to their family and home being destroyed by stark weapons
Was Stark owner of his company at that point? I’m pretty sure the person who was in barge of the company and probably greenlit Damage Control was Pepper since Tony had given her control of his company in IM2 and I don’t believe he ever got in back in IM3 or in Avengers. He still gets loads of money because that’s his name on the company, but I don’t believe Tony has any connection to Damage Control.
So inetead of tying their personal histories to in universe events that make the MCU actually feel somewhat alive you want them to be totally unrelated to everything and for characters to have no crossover with eachother outside of the teamup movies?
>pisses off huge amount of dangerous asshats
>ended so heroic his face is plastered all over the planet and everybody loves him
>now all those villains have to seethe and throw pointless tantrums because he’s dead and his legacy is untarnishable, considering what he did for the universe
All according to keikaku
That's still 6 major villains without those 3. And that's zero spiderman villains that has a personal connection with spiderman in two of his fucking movies. Really gives the impression that Spiderman is the janitor is just cleaning up Iron man's mess that iron man couldn't be bothered to clean up himself
Yes, Iron boy is cleaning up the shit his master left behind. Such a wonderful message it's leaving the audience.
Ultron wouldn’t have been created I The Avengers hadn’t formed. Stark and Banner turned all the screws and nuts and bolts, but it was The Avengers that created Ultron, and whom Zemo had an ax to grind for.
>Two villains that lack any connection to Spidey
>Vulture was forced to up his game to levels he did not want to be at because it was too dangerous, knows Peter goes to school with his daughter
>Mysterio fucking spoils Peter’s identity as Spider-Man
Hmm
What do you want? The only major Spider-Man villains with a personal connection to him and where Pete influences their origin are Goblin, Lizard, Venom.
What kind of motivation are you hoping them to have user?
>Grr, Spider-Man stoke that working class man’s pizza, I’ll kill him
>Pah, how does this Spider-kid video have more views AND likes than my fifteen minute homemovie!? I’ll expose him!
I'm so fucking sick of you MCU apologists.
I'm fucking sick of you in general
Villains don't have to be connected to Spider-man itself. Just do what comics do and give them random reasons to become villains but i guess that is "too lame" for normalfags.
A few of these don't count, since they're, you know, IN IRON MAN MOVIES.
"I got fired from a tech giant that mocked my masterpiece on live tv" isn't enough for you?
So, exactly what they’ve done with the MCU, just in a way that follows continuity a little better than comics?
Yes but that tech giant is Tony fucking Stark. Can't we just move on now that he is dead or is disney too scared that his fangirls will stop watching those movies if they don't have anything to do with Tony?
And even Goblin didnt at first. He wanted to take over the criminal underworld and.
The only one that started off specifically to target Spider-Man was Kraven.
That's a fucking lame connection. In the more realistic MCU, making the jump into villanhood is a big fucking deal, you don't fucking decide to go around selling high grade alien weapons or killing off dozens of citizens for shits and giggles. That's the depth of emotion that Vulture/Mysterio had for Stark, that's literally Mysterio's sole motivation in FFH, trying to destroy Stark's name even after he died saving the entire fucking universe. He fucking obsessed with Stark, in comparison, even after spider man stopped him, he just isn't going to have the same level of beef. Same for Vulture, spider man is around the same level as a random cop that managed to arrest him. Not to mention, it really devalues spider man to have all his villains be discount iron man villains.
He's supposed to be his own hero, to be the next big thing not fucking picking scraps out of Iron man's trashcan. And it is the fucking trash can. Vulture/Mysterio are shit tier villains that Iron man would beat in less then a day. Stark didn't even bother to arrest Vulture personally, just tipping off the FBI, there's a reason why Mysterio waited until after Stark died to pull his shit, because Tony would have seen though the holograms and have his ass in jail by the end of the day.
So Iron man/Cap/Hulk and literally almost every other Hero in the MCU gets to have deep personnel/narrative connections to their villains but all Spiderman deserves is weak knock off iron man villains instead?
SO WHY DO THE SPIDERMAN MOVIES NOT HAVE THE SAME EXAMPLES FOR SPIDERMAN?
>So, exactly what they’ve done with the MCU
Not really at least in spiderman movies so far.
What’s the villain with the Deep Personal Connection that Hulk has faced in the MCU? Banner? Abomination? Thor? The Giant Wolf? It’s the Giant Wolf in Asgard isn’t it?
You all forget that until FFH, Spidey wasn’t a big or popular name in the MCU, he’s been active for little more than a year and people on the street still can’t get his name right. Steve played a big part of ww2 vs Skull while his reputation grew over battlefields, so it makes sense that Skull would have a personal out for Steve when they finally meet. Stark was a world class asshole, it’s no surprise that his villains wanted to see him dead. Peter is a literal who, and instead of saying “okay, these guys are hyper focused on Spider-Man, you’ll just have to accept that” they are showing us WHY these guys Hate Spider-Man.
It’s a clear cut case to Show-Don’t-Tell and you seem to dislike that only because the MCU is a knowledging the impact Tony has on the world in the film following the death of the character. We get it, you don’t like Ironman, hell, I don’t even care about Ironman, but you’re upset about a storm in a tea-cup here man
Ross for one, in his one solo movie. Himself in AoU(sort of). Then again, he only had 1 solo movie at this point so...
>You all forget that until FFH, Spidey wasn’t a big or popular name in the MCU, he’s been active for little more than a year and people on the street still can’t get his name right. Steve played a big part of ww2 vs Skull while his reputation grew over battlefields, so it makes sense that Skull would have a personal out for Steve when they finally meet. Stark was a world class asshole, it’s no surprise that his villains wanted to see him dead. Peter is a literal who, and instead of saying “okay, these guys are hyper focused on Spider-Man, you’ll just have to accept that” they are showing us WHY these guys Hate Spider-Man.
>It’s a clear cut case to Show-Don’t-Tell and you seem to dislike that only because the MCU is a knowledging the impact Tony has on the world in the film following the death of the character. We get it, you don’t like Ironman, hell, I don’t even care about Ironman, but you’re upset about a storm in a tea-cup here man
Or, you know, just make it so the spider man stumbles onto their wrong doings and stop them. Simple. Don't need to explain their backstory/motivations or if you do, make it a simple "i'm doing this for money/power" not "I'm so fucking OBSESSED with Tony Stark that even after he's dead, even after he fucking saved the entire universe, I'm going to murder people to try and smear his name a little"
I bet you were also super mad over Crossbones not hating Steve from the moment they met?
That was literally Vulture, he lost his job, and turned to petty thievery for money and Peter just stumbled across him, I mean, if it triggers you this much you can just skip the first 4 minutes or so of Homecoming, and then look, now Vulture is just a bad guy with no background at all.
Imagine if Crossbones was Stark's old bodyguard that only turned to a live of crime because Stark fired his ass. Imagine if Bucky was the winter solider because Stark sold him to Hydra.
And his speech about how people like Stark are the real villains, Spiderman calling Iron man for help and Iron man considering Vulture to be such a non threat that he merely called the FBI to arrest him and the whole plot of the vulture making a living essentially stealing bits and pieces of starktech. With the final battle being the grand heist... to steal even more stark tech in a super secret stark plane, which only happened because Peter couldn't convince Stark that the heist because he was mad at Peter. Stark, Stark, Tony, Iron man everywhere.
Otto: disgruntled Stark employee
Osborn: Stark bought the tower that he wanted
Kraven: Stark got his show canceled
Electro: Stark product used wrongly causes him to get electrocuted and gives him powers
Scorpion: Private Investigator who was trying to snoop on Tony's affairs and got caught and fucked over by Tony due to lawsuits, then became the criminal you see in Homecoming
Sandman: Producing a specially-made sandbox for Morgan goes wrong and William Baker gets mixed up with the sand and weird explosions
Roderick Kingsley: Stark was supposed to back the fashion line but pulled out at the last minute
White Rabbit: Tony found out she was hoarding rabbits and called the authorities
Lizard: disgruntled Stark employee
Alistair and Spencer Smythe: disgruntled Stark employees
Swarm: Attempt to use Stark Tech to keep an aging Nazi alive for trial goes wrong and he turns into bees.
Molten Man: Liz has a brother who got inspired by Mysterio's Molten Man and was upset that Stark indirectly cost his adopted dad his job
Morlun: Corporate Rival of Stark's who fell into a vat of radioactive vampire bats
Jackal: Attempt at cloning Tony Stark goes wrong
Hammerhead: Iron Man accidentally gives him a head injury
Silvermane: Corporate rival of Stark's who was mocked for looking frail against Stark
Tarantula: Former Stark employee who tried to steal the Iron Spider suit
Spot: Stark employee who fell through a hole and Stark didn't know it
Rhino: Stark caused his TV show to be canceled, too
Tony is basically taking Norman's role but as a good guy.
Can't wait to see the movie where Tony turns out to have lived and orchestrated the clone saga whilst also killing MJ's baby.
All for the greater good of course. Babies aren't fun.
Or the movie where it turns out he slept with Liz Allan during Homecoming. Turns out Pepper wasn't Morgan's mother after all!
>Rhino and Kraven have a jungle safari show together
Oh god....I want this
>follows continuity a little better than comics?
You can have continuity without shoving it to Stark
I suppose you should feel mad because most of the iconics Marvel universe things came from the Fantastic Four, right?
>>Ultron
>This one is true, they fucked up Pym because of that
Reminder that the Future Avengers movie was the first to implement Stark as Ultron creator.
Didn't change the fact that you said "yet another" implying Vulture was a Stark employee. Words sure are hard, eh, nigger?