Both were done pretty well, who do you like more?

Did anyone else think the drone system was kind of genius? With so many working at once they're essentially a mobile holodeck, and with each having various tools (guns, lasers, shockwave blasts, flamethrowers, etc) combined with the environment itself they can make nearly anything seem real when properly controlled

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Vulture. I think he was a sympathetic character and more human than Mysterio.

If the Rhino appears in the MCU the I really REALLY want a BIG GUY to portray him.

Yeah, it makes it more believable if he is moving around. Like the drones take into account the 3d aspect.

Both are great. I'll give it to Vulture simply because I fucking love his design.

Rhino cannot possibly be any worse than Paul Giamatti in a mech suit

>kraven is going to be a anti-hero since spiderman is a "bad" guy and proceeds to become full villain once he really just wanted to hunt spiderman.
I just want him to look like classic kraven and not tacticool kraven.

Mysterio.

Mysterio

>dat illusion scene
>dat final fight with peter using his spider sense

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I think killing him off is kinda lame but the thing is you can't top what he did, unless you have him invent more powerful illusions but Peter already knows he's a fake, they used him to his full potential in this movie

Can’t I like them both?

If scorpion comes into play, could have fear venom and illusions to double team him. Stuff he knows is fake that still hurts and feels dangerous. Sorta like scorpion's part in the ps4 game. Not sure I'd want things kept so simple though.

they turned good spider-man villains into iron man villains.

That was a nice gut punch but I disagree. Vulture was sympathetic because he was an arguably good man forced to do bad things for the other people he cared about (his coworkers). Even without the angle of his daughter being Peter's friend, he's still an extremely well balanced villain; he wasn't in it for the evil like Mysterio was, he was just trying to survive--albeit by inappropriate means-- and happened to cross paths with Spider-Man

>The rest of the Sinister Six are all attempts to emulate the Avengers
>Goblin's an attempt to remake the Super Soldier serum gone wrong, maybe have him try to emulate Iron Man before to fuck with Peter
>Rhino's their Hulk
>Vulture's essentially their Falcon
>Mysterio is their Dr. Strange or some shit
>Kraven's their Black Widow
No idea who would be last though.

They're probably not going to do Norman again. Cast is looking like
>Vulture
>Shocker
>Mysterio
>Scorpion
With two remaining spots up for grabs, which could be Rhino and someone else. Doubtful its Kraven since SONY wants to do a solo movie with him. Actually it'd be pretty funny if it were Rhino and Electro as a subtle jab towards ASM2

Come on you can't have the SS without Doc.

How many more movies would they need to properly set it up since a S6 movie has been Sony's wet dream since forever? I want to believe Peter will make it out of the next one alive but idk how they would handwave it

Sure you could get away with him. Heck Otto might be the creator of the radioactive spider in this universe. He's far more likely than Electro, but I still say Rhino is plausible

>the guy jeff bridges yells at in iron man 1 reveals spider-man's identity to the world
I don't think anyone would've predicted that 11 years ago

It could be Paul Giamatti in a skinsuit.

Oh dear god guys I really hope they don't quip the hell out of the "sinister six" name. I can't handle another peter tingle.

I think Mysterio's next generation of drones should look like his dome, perfect mirror spheres, with tools that could fold out from them. Imagine that each had two mechanical arms that could fold out from the bottom, able to do precise movements via remote. Why? So that each and every drone could look and interact like Mysterio.

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I'm still flabbergasted they managed to make a version of the Vulture that wasnt just a fucking joke

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I can't wait for Doc Ock and Kraven, they bring out Peter's real self better than Venom and others

I fucking NEED a rip of that illusion sequence with mysterio
If that scene was a woman I’d stalk her like jack stalked beans holy fuck

Vulture by far. His costume looked awesome (The fur jacket thing around his neck was a great "vulture" touch that still looked practical), and his character was incredible and sympathetic.
Fuck, the vulture didn't even want to hurt anyone or fight spiderman, he just wanted to steal enough money to get by and fuck off; When faced with the option of killing spiderman or stealing the loot, he grabbed the loot and tried to leave.

If I started reading the comics after watching the movie, I'd be HELLA dissapointed, because comic vulture has virtually zero sympathetic traits and looks retarded.

You're surprised they made the vulture a threat and not mysterio?

Mysterio's always been more of a joke than the vulture.

Venom's off limits anyways thanks to the shitty Venom movie.
I wonder if Sony will try and force a second one or cave and sell the rights back to marvel.

I'm sorry but since when is Mysterio a joke?

He's almost as big of a joke as shocker, his entire "power set" is archaic tech special effects and has no ability to engage spiderman in direct combat.
Almost everytime he's actually been a credible threat its because he's getting his tech (Like robots) from another villain, and portrayed comically when he actually gets into an actual conflict with spiderman.
Hell, look at the videogame where he goes down in a single punch while holding up a 7-11

Mysterio convinced Daredevil a baby was the Anti-Christ, convinced his gf she had AIDS, got his best friend arrested, jumped dimensions, got Old Logan to kill all the other X-Men, and almost gave spider-man a nervous breakdown

>Daredevil
that's because heroes lose 100 IQ points when around villains.

Okay so we've confirmed you're a fucking casual who uses a damn video game as an example. Shocker isn't a joke either, but you and other unimaginative writers seem to think so because MUH YELLOW CUSHION. Fucking seriously? He's packing earthquakes in his hands. And don't bother using Ultimate Shocker either.

As for Mysterio, good to know you only rank villains by physical feats. What, is Lex Luthor or The Joker jokes because they suck at fighting 1:1? Mysterio is grade A because he regularly poses a threat to one of Marvel's top superhumans using only his wits and misdirection.

Nice troll

>Shocker isn't a joke
Are you high? This has been his entire point, that he has the POWER to be a good villain, but behaves like an idiot so much that he's never more than a roadblock and joke.

You can have a shit ton of power but still be treated as a joke in universe because you fail at *using* that power effectively (Hell, that's the entire point of his arc in the the superior foes of spiderman comics, that he's held back by a lack of self confidence that makes him act incompetent)

Don't you love how Beck's VR suit looks a lot like his hero armor? Even the eye patterns. Although if he does return, I kind of want his armor to have real applications and not just for show. I guess the VR suit was the only thing working at that time and he couldn't integrate tech into the showman armor within schedule. I'd imagine the dome would remain more or less the same as a HUD/interface, the remote would be integrated in his gauntlet, and he could even add projectors in his eye emblems too.

>Are you high? This has been his entire point, that he has the POWER to be a good villain
No that's still Electro, you literally just described his entire point/foil to Peter. Shocker gets dragged through the mud because of his damn costume. Christ even writers keep forgetting his weapons involve SHOCKWAVES and not electricity.

It describes about 1/3 of spiderman villains actually. A running theme in spiderman tends to be powerhouses who get beaten by spiderman because he's skilled while they're powerful but retarded (Smart david vs. dumb goliath).

Hydroman is probably the best example, since his power is insanely scary.

>closes eyes
>takes a deep breath
>proceeds to systematically blow through the drones and reach Beck
>sees through the fake-out injured Beck

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PETER TINGLE

>Happy also calls it that
>that's how Peter was able to confirm that he was spending a lot of time with May

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>"We're gonna have to have a serious talk about you and my aunt"

>the relationship was more of a fling to May
>Happy thought it was entirely genuine

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FOR YOU

>Kraven's their Black Widow
So his power is... having a vagina?

Vulture was more sympathetic but I don't think there's any point in making Mysterio sympathetic, he's always just been an evil fuck and they nailed it

People need something to believe in, and nowadays they will believe anything.

Mysterio and his crew should have been more of what AIM was in IronMan3.

Honestly happy he isn't sympathetic. Not every villain has to

I thought Vulture was the better improvement and adaption of the original character, but Mysterio was the greater spectacle.

That part was amazing. Too bad he was a one time villain.

still alive i think

Its fucking Mysterio, he will come back, and some have already theorized how the ending doesn't make any sense (the EDITH glasses are the key)

>movie established that you have to verbally confirm transfer of Edith
>Peter just puts them on

Exactly, me and two of my friends caught it when watching it, seems it flew over some peoples heads.

Is there a recommended reading for mysterio

I really hope you meant the opposite of that.
IM3 AIM was a terrible adaptation and why the fuck would Mysterio need a bunch of ex military fire dudes?

Yeah I love the way they did his “powers”, totally blew my expectations away.

Sympathetic villains are tired. Give me theatrical douchebags over "how heroic is the villain rly???" any day.

I think Vulture was a better character, but Mysterio was much more fun to watch.

Vulture was more of an achievement since Mysterio is already great. I hope they can work the same kind of magic on losers like Rhino or Scorpion.

May is such a ho

I love it.

I don't think Rhino could carry a movie himself, but they perfectly set up a movie with a bunch of lesser rogues being hired to hunt Spider-Man.

Mysterio has never made sense to me, even as a kid the idea that "lol special effects!" was unbelievable horseshit. Making it some augmented reality holodeck stuff feels like his concept caught up with """feasible""" technology. Unless they decide he really is dead and thats the end of it.

It was amusing when he called Mysterio “Mr Beck” and mysterio snapped at him saying “It’s Mysterio” and Peter just gave a wtf expression

vulture, easily. mysterio was just another weak mcu villian to me, except the illusion scene which was pretty cool

you completely misread that scene

Yes I did, and meant that AIM sucked. I'm in need to sleep or some proofreading on my posts.

Doesn't Craven get a super-power from an herb he eats, like Black Panther? If anything, that makes him their Captain America and the Goblin becomes their tech-genius Tony Stark. That makes Electro their Thor.

I like that idea.

He's not dead. All Peter asked Edith was "Is this real?" and it just told him all illusions were down. Beck, the actor that he his, just played dead.

Vultures design appeals to me on an /m/ level, but Mysterios use of drones and motion capture PJs was rad.

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I really appreciate that these movies have done Spideys villains so well. I also appreciate how each one has like one scene that completely steals the movie. Vulture had him and Peter in the car as he figures out who Peter is, Mysterio had the absolutely fantastic illusion sequence as well as the kino second illusion sequence with the Spider-Sense going all out

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Mysterio by far. I do not mind that they are both connected to Stark; especially Beck. I cannot believe how well they pulled him off, Jake was perfect casting. God damn those illusion scenes knocked my fucking socks off.

no vulture wasn't forced because of his daughter

he was a blue-collar worker who had his life disrupted by stark and the system profiting off their own mistakes. he was 100% right in his speech to peter about the little guy not being cared about

I would just like to thank FFH for giving me an excuse to say "IN A CAVE, WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS." again.

We get sympathetic villains all the time though. We need more card-carrying "I'm just a fucking asshole" bad guys

Uh no, we were supposed to understand him because he was doing bad things to support his family after getting screwed over

Based William

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Seems like someone at the Spidey division at Marvel studios have a major boner for MGS, cuz Vulture's suit is basicly Raging Raven from MGS4 and Mysterios capture suit kinda reminded me of The Fury from Snake Eater.

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yea wow Beck was very clearly playing along with peter calling him mysterio and being a cool bro

Kraven’s gonna be a tacticool redneck amd you’re gonna like it

Yeah Beck's VR suit really invoked Metal Gear imagery to me

If Gyllenhall wants to come back they can easily bullshit its one of his personal drones or something that projected that illusion or an elaborate animatronic prop.

Honestly i just want more bullshit of him and his team orchestrating all this.

The writer feeding him dialogue, All the time rehearsing the fights and the rundowns of the timing is so great.

I love how they incorporated his green smoke

That plus all of the drones kinda cemented it to me.

Also didn't help that the whole message and theme of the story was about getting a ruse and deception, Kojimas trademark in most of his games.

They don't even have to do that, all Beck did was play dead. He's an actor

>They're probably not going to do Norman again.
Uh, if they're bringing back JJJ, there is no way they won't bring back Norman at some point. He wasn't even really in ASM

>You're surprised they made the vulture a threat and not mysterio?
Before Keaton, Vulture was "old man in bird spandex"

Well there's a few issues with your train of thought here
>Studio has already expressed their fear of retreading old ground to the point of being self-sabotaging. No Ben, most of the cast is gone, "Peter Tingle". They fear audience fatigue
>To tie with the first point, we've had 3 movies involving guys with gliders/OSCORP, be it Norman or Harry.
>Peter has no connections to either Harry nor Norman in this universe
You'd have a better shot of Otto making a return

So... I get that MCU MJ is probably what appeals to young crowds, or whatever.
But she is so far from comic MJ that I dont get why they dont just make her a new character? Is it just to capitalize on the name, fuck anyone who liked the classic version?

Make it Fem Doc Ock

Thinking Mysterio is dead is like thinking he was a good guy before the movie came out

I mean I don't think most people care about MJ outside of wanting to fuck her anyway, so I don't really give a shit, but I get your point. A lot of what they do in cape movies is capitalising on names without actually committing to portraying characters with 1:1 accuracy.

It's rather embarrassing the number of people on here who wanted and/or fell for that ruse. Subversion of expectation fags are the worst

>Peter has no connections to either Harry nor Norman in this universe
Not "yet"

>But she is so far from comic MJ that I dont get why they dont just make her a new character?
By all intents and purposes they did since she's not Mary Jane

Dude, that was fucking stupid when ASM2 did it and forced some sort of long friendship in the span of 2 mins. Let it go already

I can almost sort of understand why people would think that. The mention of 616, Spider-Verse just coming out gave people the idea of multiverses being a thing, the fact that the MCU had to get "bigger" somehow.

I could understand it, except that IT'S FUCKING MYSTERIO

>and forced some sort of long friendship
Well the idea is that he meets Harry in college in this one.

That makes zero difference.

I knew him being a superhero was bullshit but I bought him being from another dimension but turns out I was wrong about that too. Had no idea that the Elementals were just drones with holograms either

>Had no idea that the Elementals were just drones with holograms either
How could you not? I call this shit from day one. It's Mysterio, it's kind of his thing

How?

Because you're still rushing through a friendship to ultimately create tension because of Goblin nonsense. It's even worse if he literally just met Harry too

What if they introduce the friendship in the next movie but don't do anything with it until Spider-man 6 or whatever if it gets that far

Sony is killing Holland off for Miles in the next movie though.

I mean they can, I just don't find it very likely

thisin fact both the Shocker and Mysterio were going to be in Spider Man 4 as joke villains for a montage

My worry isn't for Mysterio, it's for Gyllenhaal. Is he contracted for more MCU appearances? Would he even want to play Mysterio again?

He's open to it

>Scorpion's venom somehow numbs Peter's spider sense
>Mysterio Illusions now work

I was kinda worried about JJJ portrayed after the Alex Jones bit but after thinking about how they treated Mysterio and Vulture I think Watts will put the work into to humanize him

>got Old Logan to kill all the other X-Men
That stuff was genius, a serious Mysterio is scary as fuck

that's going to be Osborn or Doctor Doom, but the thing is that most critics on the internet complain about bad guys who are bad because they're bad, it's like a no no thing

I half believe that they brought back JJJ in order to see how audiences would react to old characters coming back. My hope for a new Doc Ock is now higher than ever.

The reason Mysterio is in his costume the whole movie is because Jake asked them specifically to do it. They were originally going to have him just in casual clothes for the non action scenes but he liked it so much, he asked to just keep it on the whole time.

You can see where this would be too like in the Fury scenes or when they're at the bar or when he's testing out the drones.

>but the thing is that most critics on the internet complain about bad guys who are bad because they're bad
Only if they're executed poorly.

Fuck off mouseshill. Get your trash out of Yea Forums

Honestly. I couldn’t get enough of Raimis Doc Oc

>someone actually likes shitty "I'm sooo eeeevil" characters like Malekith, Ronan or Yellowjacket
Wow, what shit taste Yea Forums has.

t. hasn't read the Stern run

Rhino is oen of the most tragic Spider-Man villains, he's super easy to have this treatment. When a person says Rhino is just dumb muscle this is a clear indicator they have never read a lot of Spider-Man.

I like Raimi Ock and PS4 Ock but I wouldn't mind a maniacal "CURSE YOU SPIDER-MAN, I'M GONNA MARRY YOUR AUNT WHILE USING MY SPIDER-DEATH MACHINES" Doc either

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I can't help but love what an unrepentant asshole Mysterio is during pretty much the whole movie. Jake basically played Louis Bloom if he was marginally less creepy and had super tech, and it worked fantastically. Also, as great as Vulture is, they made him so soft and sympathetic compared to everyone else in the Six that I'm not sure how he could possibly fit in and fight seriously with them.

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Maybe they'll use the Ock from Spider-Verse, the probably can't top the Raimi version

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>Spider-Sense
Fuck, I just remembered that every loser on Twitter is gonna call it “Peter Tingle” and act like their the funniest little shit around for echoing it ad nauseam.

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>the probably can't top the Raimi version
Unless.....

>they wanted to make their own Hulk
Plausible, but it's a bit similar to Abomination's creation. Then again, I doubt too many people remember the Hulk film enough to care.

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Most don't consider that MCU canon even

calm down you autist it's just a joke

And they're wrong since it's referenced in Avengers

I'm glad they finally used it, I think Spider-Man beat Mysterio in the cartoon the same way too

Understandable. Even so, there are a few characters here and there that managed to stick around

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they are canon, Feige said specifically that those films are canon, that's why Ross showed up in the last few movies

Well the benefit of Rhino is that unlike Abomination, he has tech to make up for where the imperfect treatment falls short. I want to see Peter freaked out at a charging Rhino

So whose the MCU six so far
>Vulture
>Electro
>scorpion
>Mystero
Who do you think we'll get next? Rhino? Gobby? Doc ock?

I think the whole Stark saga is done after this movie, that's why FFH was the last movie of Phase 3
I think next we'll have Reed be the one who invents gizmos and we'll have Osborn giving the villains the tech they need

>Electro
It’s Shocker you casual shit, and it’s SHOCKWAVES not electricity

>>electro
I meant shocker

Yeah, that's a good point. Plus, now that "Professor Hulk" is a thing, they could find a way to justify it better

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For that it was less them trying to make their own Hulk, and them just trying to make their own super soldier. It was entirely Blonsky that got addicted to Hulk cum that made him eventually turn into Abom

Shut up nerd

did Mysterio liked Peter? he was upset when he saw the footage of him and MJ with the drone

Probably Gobby

The joke itself was fine, it’s just that people going “lol, Peter Tingle” is going to get old really fast.

He did like him I think, he screamed at his worker that his blood is on his hands instead of his own

Oh yeah, you're right. Looks like I've forgotten the film too.

A movie appearance is the only thing that's going to help Gargan at this point

I never got how Scorpion is meant to be a joke. At least any more so than Rhino or Kraven.

I think either Ock or Gobby is a given, we’ll definitely get one of them atleast.

I wonder what Vulture's reaction to Stark becoming Iron Jesus: Savior of Half the Universe is

Really none of the Sinister Six should be portrayed as jokes, but I guess writers really wanted to drive home the theme of idiots misusing powers as a mirror to Peter (even though all you need is Electro for that). Gargan is an especially weird case where he started out as the evil version of Spider-Man, then slowly got pushed aside and continuously made inept. The final nail in the coffin was Venom hitting the scene and Scorpion has remained a jobbing fuck ever since. Christ they even tried to replace him with Scorpia

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Anyone else wondering if JK Simmons may have opened the door for other Raimi actors making appearances, even if only i cameos?

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Weird since he generally is treated pretty well in adaptations. Though same could be said for Shocker since they can't say he's a sex joke.

>>Electro
Wait what?

We're literally on sniffing the ass of a future Tobey cameo. I can feel it.

if they go full on InfoWars parody I can see Raimi's brother making an appearance as one of the guests or something

Tobey Maguire as JJJ's second hand man preferably the man who gave JJJ the footage that he got from Mysterio

I think what I like about the Insomniac game is how it doesn't treat Shocker or Scorpion as jokes. At worst both just have realistic goals, mostly trying to make money. In fact Gargan's deal with Otto in that game was to erase all of his debt with the mob.

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Gotta have a vagina in the villain group for fans to fap about.

What if Tobey is Uncle Ben?

I've had fantasies of this but Tobey is a decade younger than Marisa Tomei

Its amazing the contrast in DC and marvel with the mob.

In DC the mob is utterly impotent and completely and utterly helpless before supervillains, even when the supervillains DON'T HAVE FUCKING POWERS. Two face or The joker come after the mob? Well fuck, they're all dead!

Marvel? the mob is 100% well versed in super villains and how to deal with them, has tactics planned out, and has its own supervillains on the pay roll to help as well.

I don't even like MCU Spider-Man but I will forgive many things I dislike if they make a threatening Scorpion.
I'm so tired of the "Scorpion is a joke amirite guys" bullshit writers keep forcing down my throat.

Just how tech savvy is Mysterio? It seems that while not on the same level as Tony Stark, his engineering skills are fucking masterful. Also is the 616 version of Mysterio the same as his 1610 iteration? Did Mysterio legitimately invent trans dimensional technology?

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Clash-of-Clans lookin' ass

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They'd have been better if they weren't both connected to Tony. Fucksake I'm tired of Spider-Man having everything related to Tony.

>Mysterio giving everything to try to keep the plan going
"Sir do you still need the cape?"
"YES JANICE I DO"

Vulture was probably the better overall character but Mysterio was the better villain

Vulture just hates rich people in general

I thought it was Hydro-man. Cyclone (im villain) Sandman and Molten-man as goons.

No, they shut that down by saying they were not going to be those guys, just references to those guys.

God that better not be the Scorpion they go with.
I love that scene where he threatens his entire crew with drones over even the most minute of missteps. It's equal part perfectionist artist meets supervillain.
>"I'm trying to fool 7 billion people and Nick Fury, the most paranoid person on the planet. If Fury finds out, he'll put a bullet in my head. AND I DONT WANT A BULLET IN MY HEAD!"

when Flash read about a guy called Morris Bench who got water powers I thought that maybe they were actual goons

Nah it was just a reference to Hydro Man’s comic book origins

And calling Peter ugly in the glasses

They are both the best part of their respective movies, they even outshine the titular hero. The only reason why I want a Sinister Six because if they continue that streak of good villains it's going to be a movie worth watching.

(((Relevant)))

Marissa- 54
Tobey- 44
>decade(s)
Give him a little touch up in the makeup department and he'd be perfect

Give him a little touch

I'm torn between Goblin being introduced as the last villain of the Six, with the Six being Holland Spider-man's finale, or two non Goblin villains for the Six, with Goblin being Holland's finale.

Just watch it then, it's very easy to find. All these summerfags that don't use putlocker drive me up the wall.

I met Nick Spencer at Supercon today and I shit you not he sounded just like Mysterio in this movie. Kinda uncanny.

Hell, a mob boss briefly became the most powerful supervillain on the planet and fought all the Avengers to a standstill.

Too bad there's at least ten different reasons Count Nefaria would never work in an MCU movie.