How come everyone thinks Aang wins?

That’s got nothing to do with it. Aang is a god. Ed is a kid. An extremely gifted and competent kid, but nonetheless.

Because Aang can just fly away and Edward could only take cover, as Aang takes potshots at him?
Yeah. That's a better fight. It's not going to happen though, because it wouldn't be a fight of powerlevels and that's what Death Battle comes down to.

Because he does. The Avatar State is like a gang of several hurricanes, volcanoes, and tidal waves all trying to kill you, and Ed has no superhuman endurance to protect him. The ONLY chance Ed has is if he alchemizes up a sniper rifle and shoots Aang in the head before the raping really starts, and Ed is a giant no-kill pussy so that ain't happening.

So is Aang and no-kill rules are ignored in a Death Battle

>potshots

The Avatar doesn't need to take potshots. He can smite the entire area with a natural disaster. Nothing Ed can do can defend against that, or prevent it from happening.

Aang has a no-kill rule. The Avatar state doesn't.

If Ed is smart enough to realize that he's fucking dead unless he shoots Aang in the head as quickly as possible, and a good enough shot to actually accomplish that, then he wins. In all other scenarios, Aang wins.

What if Ed does that human transmutation thing?

Actually I just thought of something. If they're trapped in a small metal room and Ed alchemizes himself a gas mask and a bunch of toxic gases he could win, maybe.

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Oh cool, basic earthbending fueled by an in-universe super magic item

>generic battle page that conveys no information

Alright. Care to explain whatever it is your point is?

It's funny how all these "OP" superheroes and anime protags would lose to the Avatar State, but a normal soldier with a sniper rifle would win easily.

because western characters are written in a more endearing way and people root for the characters they like over whomever has the greater power level in their series

You are right, giving him the avatar state means they can give him all the feats from other avatars like Kyoshi breaking a continent to make an island

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He survived earthquakes and lightning from Father

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Why would they lose, all they’d have to do is hit Aang’s spine or head

Except clap his hands and combust the air in Aangs head instantly? Ed literally does magic. Instantly.

I still think Aang is going to win but just to play devils advocate i'd say that Ed's best chance of winning would be to transmute his arm into a gun and shoot Aang as soon as he goes avatar state. The avatar state is a huge glass cannon as evidenced by the fact that Azula almost killed him when he transformed so it's just a question of can Ed survive against regular Aang, which is certainly possible.

>Ed can do flame alchemy now

>not wanting the mechanic tomboy

>That’s got nothing to do with it.
No. That's precisely what determines the outcome of these fights.
The winner is always what will get Death Battle the most views.

that's never how flame alchemy worked though
even then, he would need something to combust the air

Ed has fought more more dangerous opponents and won while Aang is more passive in his style which will give Ed plenty of time to strategize

if ed can do flame
aang can do bloodbending
just stops him from clapping

This, because deathbattles are never about instantly going all out to kill your opponent which is really dumb because they both know that they are going to try to kill their opponent

Why not give him lightning, lava and metal while they are at it

he basically has lightning, and we've seen past avatars bend lava (roku did it, kyoshi did it), and technically he should be able to metal bend if he really wants because he understands the technique

yeah, I don't see why not

I don't work for the DB team, but I'm just going to guess that Ed magically finds out about Aang not being able to bend platinum and uses that to kill him or some shit

Ah yes, Ed carries platinum with all time, I remember that one he made gold and platinum then killed the Truth lol

youtube.com/watch?v=JU8ZYlqmOL4

I really really really really don't want to get involved in this debate. But just because it's a matter of (fantasy) science:
You can create combustion using several natural catalysts, particularly ones found in the body. If you destabilize the sodium bonds in the salts naturally found in the human body, you could hypothetically have solid metallic sodium in the body. Which violently reacts with water (also everywhere in the body) to create a lot of heat and generally just a little bit is required for a rather energetic reaction.

I don't know if that gives ed or aang the win in any case, but I know that combustion isn't a reaction that would be beyond the normal abilities ed had in FMA, either the oav or in brotherhood.

Aang's entire fighting style is based around avoidance though so melee skills aren't going to do much

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Ed was able to turn his soul into a Philosopher's Stone and enter Pride's stone, which is his soul, so they'll probably try the same thing here with Ed entering Aang's soul and ripping out Raava.

>Aang not being able to bend platinum
It was stated in Korra that Aang never learned how to bend metal at all. You could throw iron at him and he wouldn't be able to bend it, at least very well.

Philosopher Stone vs Avatar State who wins?

youtu.be/r66S3ZlhMW4

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Trying to enter an avatar's soul, especially one as spiritually inclined as Aang seems like a very poor idea

that would actually be cool

Me thinks that Aang is too slow to hit Ed

Didn't it only beat Pride because Kimblee was holding him back?

Like Toph was too slow to hit Garra?

That's just it. When it comes to Aang vs Ed, it's literally a case of brain vs brawn, is Ed's ability to think on his toes and knowledge of alchemy enough to overpower the Avatar State? Ed's ability to win is limited only by how creative the writers want to get as far as how smart Ed is and how he comes up with a way of defeating Aang, Guns could work, gas could work, tons of the modern weaponry that exist in FMA that don't exist in AtlA could theoretically bring Aang down if Ed plays it smart. One mistake on Ed's part, and the Avatar state will just insta-gib him.

That was before the Research Team got promoted
One of the reasons why Hal beat Ben was because of the massive speed gap

I think one of the biggest issues barely anyone brings up is that Ed can only transmutate one thing at a time
Aang can simultaneously bend all 4 elements
Lets say Ed has his head covered in water and his lower body crushed by rising rock
He can deconstruct the water into gas and the rock into sediment but cant do both at the same time

>It was stated in Korra that Aang never learned how to bend metal at all. You could throw iron at him and he wouldn't be able to bend it, at least very well.
Yeah, but toph did say that anyone could bend metal and Aang understands the principle
it's not like we haven't seen lesser benders accidentally pick up secondary bending skills out of nowhere

yes, ino one of the weakest characters in chunin arc could dodge attacks that are faster than the speed of sound.

>Goku vs Superman 3 is likely to be announced at RTX
Ben
What are you doing?
Ben?
Stop

>ability to win is limited only by how creative the writers want to get
I think this is true of any fictional character.
Because they're not real, you can make up any reason you want in a hypothetical battle of, let's say, an old doctor would beat an ancient evil mythological creature and the old doctor can win if that's what the writer wants.

Well now he has all the new 52 feats since Superman Reborn and plus whatever crazy shit Snyder’s JL has.

Blog from one of the research team members
ulltraguy.blogspot.com/2019/07/character-analysisedward-elric.html
Expect the rundown to look like this

Plus both the Research Team and G1 blog don't use the Vsbattles way of handling Big 2 characters that restrict Superman to shit like Solar System tier

I do think DBS has boosted Goku so might be a closer fight, hell, maybe they’ll even animate it

Ok, something that has to be think about is their strenght and weakeness.

Aang is obviosly more powerful, with a larger array of powers, and the ranged advantage. But it has been showe that he is less tough than Edward, who has resisted far more painful and powerful attacks. Also, Aang is far more impulsive and more to follow his emotion and instincts.

Edward on the other side, is a far better melee fighter, and as shown, fights smarter and is capable of strategize better. But as shown, he has little ranged attacks, if he has any, and hasnt been shown to be capable of doing stuff similar to Mustang or other alchemists, thus is is forced to get close to Aang.

As for getting into a soul, its hard to say if it could work with Aang, but even if its posible, the Avatar part of its deal is to deal with the spirit world, and so, Aang would have an even greater advantage.

The point is that flame alchemy is known by one person in FMA’s universe and that person is not Ed

Well he shouldn't have, since he's a human. Does plot armor count as an ability in this fight? If so, Aang also has it.

Edward has ranged attacks via that arm-gun thing and the research team already confirmed that they consider 2003 abilities to be fair-game since anything 2003 Ed can do, so could FMAB Ed.
ulltraguy.blogspot.com/2019/07/character-analysisedward-elric.html

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>Also, Aang is far more impulsive and more to follow his emotion and instincts.
only if people/creatures he cares about are in danger, otherwise he stays remarkably composed for someone his age even during combat

>DURR ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS HIT HIM
>flying tiny martial arts boy who specializes in evasion

Easier said than done.

Ed can make cannons but the problem is that anything he makes Aang can just earthbend away
Its like a midget trying to get a ladder that keeps being pushed down by the guy on the second floor

Not familiar with FMA by a long shot, but sounds like Ed’s more durable than Aang who nearly died to Azula’s lightning strike

I didn't say Ed could do flame alchemy. He does regular transmutation.
And you could, hypothetically, very easily create a combustion reaction with certain elements, and I listed the elements in the human body that could be transmuted to create an energetic exothermic reaction.

>The philosopher's stone is made up of thousands of souls.
>The Avatar has thousands of souls in him.

The Avatar could be used to make a Philosopher's stone

Catwoman could do it. She’s taken on 3 speedsters

sheer output

...that’s what flame alchemy is

I know you're memeing about that page but they were running towards her
That's the difference
Aang is pure evasion

wouldn't Aang's ability to firebend largely counteract this? The style he uses is capable of safely manipulating energy within his own body

Does Ed not know how to do flame alchemy, or does he refuse to because he's a prissy no-kill fag? Genuine question, since I only saw the 2003 series a decade and a half ago and I never read the manga or watched Brotherhood.

Ed isn't even the strongest person in his own series desu. He wins his fights with brains or help. Hes a good fighter but hes not avatar level. Hell Envy almost kills him at a couple points and if his automail arm is damaged he can't transmute anymore. Which I think is probably whats going to happen here. Its just not a balanced fight.

He can just transmute anything into it

Probably not? Firebenders have to evade each other's attacks instead of just cancelling them out.

Fire Alchemy is like a secret formula almost nobody can get right
IIRC Riza's dad knew it and only told Mustang what it is

He doesn’t know, only Roy and Hawkeye do. They destroyed the notes, I believe.

Source?

I would like that

Does Hawkeye actually know it? The formula was just tattooed on her back.

Aang’s fast but like there are people way faster than him in comics that street levelers manage to fight

They can, though. Zuko and Iroh do it, right?

They also don’t do no limits fallacy anymore which is how Superman won last time so should be interesting

I figured she must have, but hilariously you’re probably right because she couldn’t fucking see it without a mirror

wtf is up with Japs and tattooing secrets on their daughter's backs for any Tyrone or Chad who bangs their daughter to see?

In this example, it's not firebending.
He's just breaking down sodium chloride (or any of the other salts in the human body) into sodium and chloride, separate. Sodium reacts to moisture naturally.
This is stated, in FMAB, at least, to be a transmutation.

When? Zuko puts out candles but that's different from preemptively neutralizing an explosion.

>Newest Community Death Battle is Teen Gohan vs Superboy
>They are handling it live at RTX or something, basically not at their usual schedule
>Said it'll make sense at RTX
Watch the end of the new DB Cast

Plenty of times firebenders have cancelled out firebending attacks, they can basically swat it away. But thinking Ed could/would create fire isn't right he hasn't done that once in-series if Death Battle is worth anything he'll largely fight like he normally fights.

And even then its backwards. I was just kind of shitposting though I'm fairly sure he had other notes.

I'm pretty sure he knew Riza was after Roy's dick before he died, but that doesn't really excuse it

I hope so

I unironically think goku wins now with new research team

Could Zuko or Iroh boil someone's eyes?

because i never of this edward person.

Aang has full 3dimensional movement and his attacks are just as fast as said movement and don't require him to sacrifice his mobility

I have a distinct image of Zuko breaking flame with both his arms but I can’t remember from when. His duel with Zhao?

Iroh boiled tea by touching it so eyeballs ought to be possible

Are you honestly trying to say Aang is faster than speedsters?

>Plenty of times firebenders have cancelled out firebending attacks

??? What, in Korra? That shit isn't canon.

>they can basically swat it away.

That isn't cancelling it, that's blocking it with their own fire. Totally different. In order for Aang to block an explosion inside his throat with firebending, firebenders would need the ability to just straight up stop explosions before they happen. Which has never been shown. If it worked like that then lesser firebenders would punch at Iroh or Zuko and no flames would come out and they'd look at their hands like "BWUH?". That never happens in the original series. I don't know what retarded shit happens in Korra or the comics.

Technically they aren't new, only promoted to determine verdicts 100 percent starting with Joker vs Sweet Tooth
They've been there since the Season 2 minus two recruits from this year
They actually made prediction blogs before being promoted and for Goku vs Superman 2, they just had one sentence representing everyone's opinion at the time
"Superman still wins"
Honestly the whole blog during the rundown felt like seeing a drunk man trying to repeat the same thing over and over again to a guy who won't grasp it

nah, but I am saying that every time a speedster lost to a street level it was complete bullshit and shouldn't be considered canon at all

Are you honestly trying to say that Catwoman can fight a speedster, just because shitty writers have a penchant for writing stupid trash?

has Edward at any point demonstrated the ability to create an explosion in someone's throat?

Uh, forgot about that. It has been too long since I saw the 2003 anime that I must have forgotten about it. Still, I think Aang has the range superiority with all 4 different kind of bendings, compared to Edward hand cannon.

Not saying he has. I'm just saying that if he could, Aang probably wouldn't be able to block it with firebending.

Because nothing Ed does can overpower Aang's avatar state which is terrain leveling and continent shattering. Ed's not bending an entire tsunami nor is he tanking AS level air bursts which can shatter mountains. If AS Aang wanted to, he could simply melt the ground away from under Ed's feet or take Ed's oxygen away or stop Ed from performing alchemy altogether by restraining his arms. This isnt even going into how restricted Ed is without his metal arm which AS Aang could melt away, or outright shatter with enough Earth being smashed against it.

There is no scenario, Ed beats AS one on one.

wouldn't hitting Aang with bullets be pretty difficult due to his erratic movement combined with him naturally creating various perturbations in the air?

>joker vs sweet tooth
Oh boy. That should be interesting.
In twisted metal black they stated he was effectively immortal.
Has there ever been anything that stated the joker was supernatural?

No but pretty sure he’s changed air into toxic gas or some shit

Did it happen in a comic?
It did, so why is it any more or less canon than any other feat that was actually super amazing
Hint: The answer isn't because you like it better

Aang definitely has range but he's also pretty frail. I keep thinking back to how Azula essentially one-shot him just because she got the drop on him and thinking that getting behind Aang wouldn't be an impossible feat for someone like Ed.

Dude, they already did it years ago
That's when they got promoted

Because every other time featuring anything with speedsters those tactics were impossible
if you have a sample size of 10,000 and 9,999 of them say one thing, it's safe to ignore the other one

Not them but it did

They’re scaling Ed to Bradley and Scar so Ed will asspull

In his fight with Sloth in FMA, he transmutes her from water into alcohol and she evaporates.
The ability to transmute certain compounds into others or break those compounds down is something he does in several episodes in both the OAV and FMAB.
In fact, if memory serves, there was an alchemist as a villain who turned people into bombs on the regular by making a few minor transmutations in their body.

Again, transmuting sodium chloride to sodium and chloride unbonded would create a reaction in the body that would produce a massive amount of heat and energy and, if it were in the presence of oxygen, likely ignite the hydrogen that's given off in the reaction.

Which is more colloquially considered a bomb.

could Edward tank a lightning bolt that strong completely unprepared?

I don't get why people bring up Ed's metal arm breaking
Aang can't metal bend and Ed can increase its durability via carbon bullshit
What I'm more concerned about is Ed's other arm
Its just a normal arm that breaks easily

>??? What, in Korra? That shit isn't canon.
No, it was a thing in both series. i.e. Zuko sending an attack at Zhao and he swats it away with his hands. This happens PLENTY of times throughout firebenders don't have to evade, Aang could deflect Ozai's Sozin's Comet-enhanced firebending or P'Li blocking dragon fire.
>That isn't cancelling it, that's blocking it with their own fire
???
No with their own fire, with their own firebending they can manipulate their opponents fire when it gets close to them. I'm not saying they can stop...an explosion in their throat or Roy's alchemy but this is a thing they can do.

>sodium and chloride
Sodium and chlorine. Fuck my brainlessness tonight.

you can increase the carbon by any % you want, aang can waterbend and freeze the gears, ed can't fix that without alchemy

gonna assume that there would have been plenty situations where doing this would have been mighty useful, and he didn't do it
after all the ability to blow up anything anywhere at any time would be pretty significant

I'm genuinely curious who won.
I'm going to guess they had joker win?

Yeah. he tricked Sweet Tooth out of his robot

The only scenario Ed wins is if Aang gets close for Energy Bending and Ed uses destruction alchemy on him the moment Aang realizes Energy Bending isnt working
But given Aang wins most of the time, they'll brush it aside like the Anti Life Equation since Darkseid could still win without it

Would Aang's soulbending be able to break Ed's soul's gate of truth to remove his alchemy?

Okay, but it still happened, it's canon, so even if it's bad writing it doesn't make it any more or less possible than any other feat
Sure, you can say it's bad writing, but that's literally just your opinion and it doesn't matter if we are talking about what is and isn't possible for a character

Its Energybending, not Soulbending
Also, likely no but he doesn't need it to win

energy bending wasn't even an offensive technique in the series
Ozai was already restrained at that point, any move with killing intend would have safely ended the fight

Ed's arm doesn't need to be metal bended, just toss enough boulder bullets until it breaks/can't work. People mention the metal arm because that's basically Ed's weapon. The same thing can be done breaking his normal arm, but more weight is given when you can break his metal one

>gonna assume that there would have been plenty situations where doing this would have been mighty useful, and he didn't do it
Dead on.
Manga, comics and cartoons have a way of 'forgetting' important abilities characters have been established to have. Not that I blame any of the writers for this. It's fiction in the end and who wins or loses is always up to the writer. They just have to make it believable enough to not totally break the suspension of disbelief of the reader.

if you take that as absolute canon then literally, and I mean literally, every single other speedster feature would have to be undone
them being unable to react to a non-speedster should make it literally impossible to do anything at superspeed

Falcon Uncaged is out
youtube.com/watch?v=-oGBRENFlTI

See
I guess? Is there a follow-up page explaining if he actually tanked it or if it was something else?

Oh. Well you understood what I meant anyway. Only ever watched a dub of ATLA, and that was more than a decade ago so I don't remember too well.

thing is, if he never demonstrates the ability to explode people on command, can we really consider him capable of doing so?

I just wanna throw out that Ed, for all his bravado, is a caring and sympathetic dude and is likely not going to go around bombing everyone and everything at every opportunity and you literally have Kimbley doing just that

was he taken completely off-guard by that lightning bolt or did he have the ability to prepare?
because Aang can block Azula's lightning if sufficiently prepared

Screencap this
He'll fall, clap his hands in one last attempt at desperation, try to transmutate the ground on impact and instead wrecks both his arms
Then Boomstick will say "Ed just couldn't Aang on"
Alternatively, he'll hang on with his Metal Arm only for it to break and then he falls

>every single other speedster feature would have to be undone
user
Can you let me know if in the canon of the comic book, all other speedster feats have been undone?
Because I'm pretty sure we might be reading different comics books if yes

Aang should absolutely win this and again, there is no scenario AS Aang loses to Ed.

So Ed will probably win because that will bring in more clicks.

just saying that there is no way to unite the following facts

-Speedsters are able to control their movement at hypersonic velocity

and

- Speedsters cannot react to the movements of a normal human

If my memory serves me right, he didn't do anything. Hohenheim (a dude with the same amount of philosopher's stone as the villain) was the one who tanks all the damage during the fight by raising a barrier. That's why you can see a bubble around the group in the last panel.

"just saying" that you aren't a comic book writer and as regardless of what you're "just saying" it really doesn't matter if within the canon of the universe, a character did perform a specific feat that goes against the logic of other feats--the two don't invalidate each other and you don't get to decide that because again you don't write either of the characters

if you're mad that a comic book doesn't make sense, stop reading comics

>Anyway, the energy used for alchemy can come from varying sources based on the style of alchemy learned by the user. The alchemy that Ed uses is Amestrian alchemy and this form of transmutation draws its power from the energy of tectonic plates moving beneath the earth's surface.
>tectonic plates
He's fucked

Not really. Mustang just hyper-oxygenates a region and used specially treated gloves to spark off the ignition. It's a real bitch-basic means of going about it. Hell, if he were so clever, he could be putting his enemies into a delirium from oxygen poisoning.

Edward has shown expertise toward shaping of materials, but also in altering molecular bonds. There are all manner of things Ed could do to a human body that would kill the shit out of them in short order, it's just that he wouldn't do so.

Conversely,
"Aang just didn't have the right metal (mettle)"

He demonstrates the ability; basic alchemic transmutations are that ability.
Does he ever demonstrate the feat? No.
He does not. Why not? Because plot.
Though, a more satisfactory answer would be, "ed doesn't wanna kill anyone if he doesn't have to."
It sounds like I'm ragging on FMA pretty hard but it's genuinely entertaining.
If for no other reason this scene here really disturbed me when I saw it for the first time.

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Human souls are a substitute energy source, including those still inside living people. Aang is a giant alchemy battery.

Ed could easily deconstruct Aang.

Again, he has to touch Aang first
Which won't work when he's flying above you and making chasms underneath your feet

It should be noted, that this is Avatar State Aang.

Shou Tucker vs Clarissa's dad when?

Which is firebending....

Are you literally retarded?

Ed's a versatile alchemist, but I don't think I would consider him leagues above the rest of the cast. Aang has a nonsense backup power that renders him nigh unstoppable if he can reach that state uninterrupted.

You are correct in assuming this. Literally the next page is Hohenheim tanking all of it, I hate when people take pages and use them like that obviously Ed does not have superhuman endurance.

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I'm wondering what the fuck type of correlation these two have to put them in a fight.

Korra vs Rey
Name a fight with less anxiousness than this for Yea Forums

babby's first (good) shonen-type series
dunno, feels fitting to me

They’re both Martial Artists who use the elements as their weapon , Aang just uses the classical elements while Ed uses the one of the periodic table

Korra

>Periodic Table of Elements vs Classical Elements
>The Last Air Nomad vs Son of the last Xerxesian
>Science vs Spirituality
>Both have powers from higher beyond Earthly beings but Ed thinks Truth is a douche while Aang thinks highly of past Avatars (except maybe Kyoshi)

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Korra vs Anakin would be interesting.

>Avatar State Aang
Full power user.

Separating a molecular bond to create an element isn't firebending/flame alchemy.
It isn't even necessarily a reaction that requires or produces oxygen. In this instance, oxygen isn't even necessary for heat and energy to be produced by the reaction. You wouldn't get combustion, but the heat required to cause severe burns would be entirely possible.
The action of making sodium and chlorine from sodium chloride isn't what's generating the heat, the sodium and water reaction isn't happening because ed is creating that reaction, that just happens naturally when sodium is present.
It's literally separating two elements that are bonded.

What's your definition of firebending/flame alchemy?

Wouldn't a lightsaber be able to block just about everything?
You could argue that Korra would metalbend the saber out of her hands, but would that even really work?

See

Because he's the fuckin' Avatar. Edward is just a glorified Earth & Metalbender with a short-fuse. That, and he needs to make circles to make shit like his bionic metal arm.

Okay, it's not like that, but still. Ed could actually manipulate the environment's materials like turning coal to gold. Another Alchemist, Roy Mustang defeated Lust by burning the hot bitch until she gives... He's more like a firebender, and manipulate his surroundings... which is water. He took the hydrogen out of the H2O to do ignite.

Shouldn't all alchemists be capable of using the same alchemy?

So how come only one guy can do fire alchemy when it sounds really easy?

Considering Mustang is the only flame alchemists
No
Alchemy is a profession, you have to improve and learn to get better

Shouldn't all scientists be capable of answering the same questions about specific fields?
Chemists should know everything there is to know about the life cycle of botflies and how to prevent human contact

the answer is no

>That, and he needs to make circles to make shit like his bionic metal arm.
Specifically, he manipulates his metal arm to form various weapons, like blades. I think he had his bionic arm destroyed one time. Haven't read the manga in years, but I think Scarface disarmed him.

Ed's different in a couple important ways. Aside from his teacher, he can do alchemy without a transmutation circle. This is a huge deal in FMA; Mustang can't even do that. He's got transmutation circles printed on his gloves along with a couple of flints in the fingers that let him make a spark. Any other alchemist aside from ed and his teacher (and they're similar for a specific reason) need a circle to do transmutation. Well, technically ed and his master do, they just make it with their body but the point remains that only they (and maybe that one other guy) can do that. No chalk/drawn circle of symbols making contact with what they want to transmute? No deal. Knowing how to make these circles is basically something you can teach people. In that respect, alchemists will specialize in specific transmutation circles. Hypothetically, it's a skill and knowledge you can teach or learn. You don't need a magic ability in your body to do it.

In FMAB, they expand this to there being different types of alchemy, based on where you are in the world, some of it works based on some pretty questionable sources.

Think about what you just said, though. The basic bitch stuff Roy uses for flame alchemy is a revolutionary secret now known by only one person. Literally no one else has ever thought of this in-universe. And you expect Ed to all of a sudden pull off some crazy shit when, canonically, no one but Roy has figured out more oxygen = more boom? Sure, alchemy lets them do some crazy chemical shit but they do not have even a hundredth of our modern chemical understanding

technically he disarmed himself

I don't know what you're trying to argue here when no one except Roy has done this, least of all Ed. This is what made Roy and Kimblee special: no one else really could create explosions like they could. It's like people arguing Ed could just create a gun and shoot Aang as if that's something any alchemist can do willy nilly. There's a reason why even the most extremely skilled alchemists, take Izumi for example, creates medieval simple weapons instead some sort of chemical explosions or whatever.

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What's so special about flame alchemy?
Aren't Kimblee's explosions better?

Can Aang metalbend? This is a serious question, since Ed can transmutate the ground to become metallic. Likewise he can probably turn water into hydrogene or something.

I think kimblee has to touch something for it to explode
but I honestly don't remember the manga too well

Avatar State. If they used peak Aang who mastered it once he pops into it he wins. Main chance Ed has is either:

A. He is super smart about the fight and changes chemical compositions like mad to throw Aang off and fuck with his forms so he can't perform bending as efficiently

B: Go for the immediate kill. Grab him and deconstruct Aang to kill him like Scar

C: Philosopher's Stone hax

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Kimblee can destroy buildings better than Roy ever could, but Roy is arguably more lethal. Kimblee can't clap his hands and make someone explode he seems to have to have some sort of contact and worth noting how much of a jobber Kimblee was in literally all his fights. Roy can instantly ignite anyone with a snap, he could kill someone like Lust who would make mincemeat of Kimblee.

canonically, no he can't
TLOK seemed to imply it was because of how inherently shitty he was at metalbending maybe if he dedicated himself to it he would have learned but he was apparently a very busy boy

That's kind of an opposite fight. Korra is a constant fuck up who keeps trying while Rey is a Mary Sue who hardly has to train

>no one except Roy has done this
Has done what, transmute elements and compounds...?
Plenty of other alchemists have done this. It's not the same manipulation of oxygen that Roy does.

In this specific instance, separating elements from a compound is something Edward has done and does do repeatedly.
And that's literally all you'd need to make an explosion in the human body. Separate out a single element from one other element. Edward can do this, and does do this.

Ed's not making a bomb. He's refining out an unstable element. One. From a compound that has two.
Like I said, another example of him doing something very similar would be in the OAV when he transmutes water into alcohol. He's literally just adding carbon to water and rearranging the structure, he explains how he does it in point of fact.

We could also bring up scar, but that's opening another can of worms on how his crazy arm works.

Because in terms of raw power, Aang stands above Edward like a fucking god -his only limiter being an aversion to killing. He's a peaceful kid.

The entire point of Death Battle is that both participants are going to go all-out with full intent to murder. The very premise of the show removes Aang's singular weakness.

How did Father lose again?

Greed fucked him up

Post fights you want.
>Joseph Joestar vs Richter Belmont
>Cell vs Annihilus
>Ridley vs Mace Windu as a fucking sequel to Samus vs Boba Fett
>Doomguy vs Guts
>Skeletor vs Megatron vs Shredder vs Mumm-Ra
>Bowser vs Eggman
>The Knight from Hollow Knight vs Shovel Knight (height made to match)
>Kuwabara vs Okuyasu
>Broly vs Asura
>Stroheim vs Guile
>Martian Manhunter vs Piccolo
>Simon vs Johnny Joestar
>Unicron vs Galactus
>Giorno Giovanna vs Joker or Giorno vs Alucard from Castlevania
>Devilman vs Ghost Rider

>Edward can do this, and does do this.
No he has not exploded someone from within, what the hell. You don't understand alchemy and how difficult it is if this was someone so simple we would've seen it at least once. Every single fight Ed has been in he creates spears, hands, he's crafty enough to turn a stick of dynamite into a stink bomb but he can't just explode Aang. His only way for a OHKO is if he grabs him and deconstructs him.

Question, could Ed's healing save him?

spongebob vs patrick
bugs vs mickey
donald vs daffy
superman vs batman

Even in his last, enraged battle with father he still only creates spears and pillars. That user is fucking retarded

Avatar state counts as outside help, or at least it should. It shouldn't be granted to Aang for the purposes of the battle.

He got high on his own farts and started wasting his energy on grand displays of power, then got hit by literally the entire cast with so much shit that he got fatigued and couldn't hold onto his god powers, which required a ton of concentration to maintain.

Ed barely knows the bare bones of healing alchemy, what he did was a quick patch at best, and that was at the cost of his lifespan

Cyborg 009 vs Barry or Wally

>Simon vs Johnny Joestar
why not Jonathan

>Kimblee can't clap his hands and make someone explode he seems to have to have some sort of contact and worth noting how much of a jobber Kimblee was in literally all his fights. Roy can instantly ignite anyone with a snap, he could kill someone like Lust who would make mincemeat of Kimblee.
Kimblee has transmutation circles tatoo'd on his palms. Why more alchemists don't do this, I don't know. But those circles let him perform specific transmutations; specifically the ones required to transmute the elements needed for an explosive.
A transmutation circle is required for transmutation in FMA. Ed takes a shortcut and uses his arms to make a circle with his body. Kimblee uses the ones on his palms. Roy uses the ones on his gloves.

The limits of transmutation are that the circle must touch the object that the alchemist wants to transmute. In roy's case: The gloves are touching the air he wants to ignite.
In kimblee's case, he has to touch the object he wants to make into a bomb.

Would yugo vs aang would be an interesting battle

Judge Dredd vs Robocop
How the fuck haven't they done it yet?

I specifically explained the process and cited when and where ed does it.

He can make new compounds, or separate compounds into their constituent elements.
Do you disagree with this ability?

Not THAT Simon user. This one.

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Hohenheim put the Xerxes souls he had at the Nationwide Transmutation Circle points who guided the souls Father needed to fuse with KAMI back to their bodies, and so KAMI rejected him. Also Greed turned into a weak element when Father tried to fuse with him for his souls which then turned Father into a weak element too...

Dumb as hell t b h. Last three Homunculus deaths were kinda shit.

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So can Ed like transform people into stuff? Like turn Aang’s bones to milk?

Yes, but Ed has to understand the science behind it and physically touch what he wants to transmute. Do you have a reasonable explanation for 1) why Ed would have this information 2) why he never utilized it before

Yup, that is exactly how it would go down, even Joseph stupidly holding the stone up to the sun.

Don't tattoos hurt?

Its less a match between how they're similar and more how they're different especially since both manipulate the elements
Science vs Magic type shit

Reminder that Hulk vs Doomsday is disproven by the Immortal Hulk now due to Hulk literally being unkillable.

technically alchemy is still magic user
it's just a magic that is more based in what we know about the world

>Avatar state counts as outside help, or at least it should. It shouldn't be granted to Aang for the purposes of the battle.

But it isn't outside help. His past lives are literally him. He's getting help from himself.

>Doomsday "dies" then comes back
>Hulk "dies" then comes back
The real question is who goes down first.

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Yes, in fact he doesn't even need to transform something into something, he can just stop at step 1: Breaking down materials and just blow Aang's body to bits
That is, if he can even touch him, which he can't, meanwhile Aang can throw pretty much any large-scale AOE attack at him and Ed is ded

Its like saying the souls Shao Kahn ate are outside help
Or Kurama is outside help

So like the Jojo/Kenshiro fight?

>Do you have a reasonable explanation for 1) why Ed would have this information
in both FMA's OAV and FMAB, there's a specific line where he lists off all the ingredients and chemicals found in the human body. He had to learn and memorize the elements that make up a human when he was trying to resurrect his dead mother. he knows that salt is present in the human body. It's not exactly a secret. Especially when you start sweating, you can taste the salt in your sweat.

>2) why he never utilized it before
I can think of a few reasons. Some better than others.
My first guess would be because Ed's not a sadistic killer, so it's out of character, which is why he doesn't do it. Another reason is plot convenience.
A similar comparison for why he doesn't do it is like asking why don't evil telepaths just snap necks and instantly kill their enemies through all the various ways of using telepathy to basically just stop someone's heart, cause an embolism, a stroke, crush their skull directly when they can easily lift a car which weighs WAY more than the force required to effectively liquify someone's head/brain...

I mean like I said, I'm not trying to argue who would win. Just that ed's feats of deconstructing and reconstructing elements are established, and deconstructing this particular compound in the body would result in an exothermal reaction; one that could cause an explosion if exposed to the air, and even if not exposed to oxygen, the reaction creates large amounts of heat even without oxygen.

>disproven
user it's fanfiction
it wasn't real to begin with

It's a death battle, right?
So technically Doomsday loses the first time he dies
It's not a dies permanently battle, right?

All fair points. You got me, user.

Fuck you, Greed’s death was pure kino

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Ed can't just explode people by clapping his hands, we've met many skilled alchemists who don't have Ed's reservations (plus y'know they're fighting immortal monsters) and we NEVER saw this. Think of the dominance alchemists would have if this was a thing, Ed is not some special snowflake in-verse which this power would be unique to him. Ed will fight Aang like he's fought literally every other person. Turning water into alcohol =/= Ed can blow people up. Obviously.

I appreciate you giving me the patience to listen -Though, even with all that I just said, my gut feeling says Aang is probably going to win the DB.
Just a hunch, though. Not really based on anything in particular.

>Ed's not a sadistic killer, so it's out of character

Couldn't you argue the same for Aang? there is a bunch of shit he could do if he didn´t have the any kill rule, look at what happened with the earth queen

Yeah except Kenshiro had ways to get in close and keep Star Platinum busy

Even with morals off Aang wouldn't know how to suffocate people like that. But if you want to get technical Aang's S1 airbending instantly cooled a volcano and in another instance he precisely decapitated a buzzard-wasp like 300ft away. With bloodlusted his airbending should just rip people apart? They even explicitly show it shredding solid rock in the finale as well.

Even before you get to the Avatar state Aang just has serious advantages in speed in mobility. He can fly, run on water, travel underground, etc. Bending is also much faster than most forms of alchemy, Roy being the only real exception. You can do more intricate feats with alchemy, but being fancy doesn't win you a death battle.

I'm sure the DB crew could pull some obscure panel out of their ass to justify a win, but on the whole Aang just has more impressive feats and the only reason he doesn't massacre the majority of his opponents is because he's a pacifist.

Mobility plus firepower

>Even with morals off Aang wouldn't know how to suffocate people like that.

It's literally just bending the air out of her lungs. How dense are you?

Let me just ask then:
Do you think Ed can or cannot break down a compound (such as salt) into its constituent elements? If you think he can, do you think he can do this to salt present in someone's body?
If you think he can't, why not?

And, bear in mind, I'm not trying to bait you. I'd really like to know your opinion here.

To be completely fair, the reason I think he can, is because he has (somewhat unsuccessfully) transmuted the constituent elements of a human into ...well, an abomination of human entrails, depending on which FMA series you're looking at. When he tried to bring his mother back, he was able to make a lot of human viscera and blood and tissue out of the constituent parts. Resurrect her? No, not at all.
But he could go from the base elements to...something that contained human like parts. It was an abomination of a creature but it was moving and alive, sorta. ( youtu.be/bvpJjbphJWQ?t=246 Relevant scene is about 4:00)

But if you have a reason for why he'd be unable to disassemble salt into sodium and chlorine in a living person, I'm definitely all ears.

This. Aang hits too fast and too hard, Ed might be more durable but it looks like Aang can overcome that

>Couldn't you argue the same for Aang?
Yes.
>there is a bunch of shit he could do if he didn´t have the any kill rule, look at what happened with the earth queen
Refresh my memory: What specifically happened with her?

clap alchemy is a fringe benefit of going through the Gate not the goal

It isn't just a "flick your wrist and devoid them of oxygen", Zaheer had to do a whole dance to get it done. Aang doesn't have that sort of creativity to just think of that on the spot he'd just blow them up. And anyways it was only like a fanciful long execution if Zaheer used a knife instead maybe Korra wouldn't have survived the S3 finale.

Yeah. In this case, his goal in going through the gate was to get his mom back wasn't it? Or did he not know about the gate and kinda just stumble on it by accident while doing something he was told was a really bad idea?

More of an Yea Forums question I guess but I've always been told FMA is a great series, yet it sounds like the writing is pretty poor when you compare what could be done with alchemy vs how it actually gets used. Ed should be a lot more powerful and versatile than what he is shown to be. Is that just because these threads always reach for the biggest possible feats? Or is this a common complaint in the fandom? Is there really only one guy that figured out how to use alchemy to create fire in-universe when it really shouldn't be too hard for Ed, or most people in this thread for that matter? Does it hold up despite all this?

the latter
But going through the gate makes you super elite at alchemy and gives you tons of knowledge

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FMA is a good show/manga
Things are kept in check due to equivalent exchange

Well... Aang is not bound by the equal exchange rule, while at some point Ed might just run out of mana or whatever and lose his bending powers.
On the other hand, Ed literally came back from the underworld several times. It's kinda crazy and who knows what kind of deal he can strike with the Truth to beat Aang.
Also, alchemy is much more versatile than bending. Ed faced so many attack types and survived that he is now trained to counter all sorts of unexpected fighting styles. Aang, on the other hand, works in the 4 element frame. Even the concept of firepower is kinda alien to him. He could lise to a transmuted canon or any other shit Ed would borrow from his opponents' styles. Iirc, Aang can't bend metal. Ed will figure it out at some point and use metals to bombard him or block attacks.
So, Id say that Ed wins if he survives the first 5 minutes of the fight, which will be hard for sure. But he will, he is a smart guy.

It’s because this is power level autism and that does not correlate to good writing, no matter what Naruto/DBZ fans think. FMA:B is really good because of the story and characters, Ed’s magic acumen has fuck all to do with how good it is

A different air bender killed the earth queen by sucking the air out of her lungs and then trapping her head in a vacuum
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An alchemist has to fully understand the chemical makeup of what they're trying to transmute and what they want to transmute it into. Most alchemist can pull off some pretty impressive and intricate stuff with prep time, but you only get so much of that on the battlefield. One of the most deadly people in the series is an alchemist who cuts the alchemic process short, letting him fuck people up in half the time.

>More of an Yea Forums question I guess but I've always been told FMA is a great series
I think it's pretty good: FMAB and the OAV take a turn and are different because when the OAV (that is, just "full metal alchemist") was being written and produced before the manga was completed so they didn't know how the manga ended, so they kinda had to wing it. FMA:B follows the manga pretty closely.
>yet it sounds like the writing is pretty poor when you compare what could be done with alchemy vs how it actually gets used.
Can be, sometimes. Then again, the same can be said with a lot of super powers. Depends on your level of suspension of disbelief.
Alchemy is the ability to transmute matter from one form to another, but not to create matter from nothing. A theme they introduce and revisit time and time again is, "equivalent exchange." You can't make a pound of gold from thin air. that matter has to come from somewhere. Usually, it's used to reshape matter. I.e. the ground itself into different shapes, sometimes weapons and the like. There's a couple parts that seem like asspulls for sure, but that's par for the course.
> Ed should be a lot more powerful and versatile than what he is shown to be. Is that just because these threads always reach for the biggest possible feats?
Kinda.
> Is there really only one guy that figured out how to use alchemy to create fire in-universe when it really shouldn't be too hard for Ed, or most people in this thread for that matter?
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This is a good explanation of roy mustang's power I found.
>Does it hold up despite all this?
I think it does, but it's going to be different for everybody. It's got decent action and I think the series shines the best when it deals with subjects such how people deal with loss. There's some pretty heavy episodes and scenes dealing with how certain characters die and how the others react to it. The characters make the series more than the alchemy does.

I think Aang will die for deathbattle's sins of Toph sorta like how the chick from RWBY died

The problem is alchemy is much slower than alchemy too. It doesn't matter if you can turn your arm into a gun. If you can't do it in the time it takes a bender to breathe and throw a punch you're essentially dead.

>Zaheer had to do a whole dance to get it done

Pointing at Legend of Korra as an example for anything other than a raging dumpster fire only serves to shit on your own credibility.

>Aang doesn't have that sort of creativity to just think of that on the spot

...you didn't watch TLA, did you? I'm being rused. You're rusing me.

Also, remember this
Zaheer has no formal training unlike Aang
Yes he was a weeb for their culture but he still wasn't a skilled Airbender as Tenzin which shows in their fight
If Zaheer could do it, Aang could do it as well

>Even the concept of firepower is kinda alien to him.
Not really, considering the Fire nation has tanks, death blimps, city-tunneling mechaworms, and his best bro Sokka built a fucking submarine navy.

>Zaheer had to do a whole dance to get it done
he was also monologuing
Not saying it would have been instant, but he was specifically suffocating her to death to make a point

>It doesn't matter if you can turn your arm into a gun
Ed can't do that anyways, he can't just transmute gunpowder out of thin air.

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Watched Brotherhood and loved it
Is 2003 worth a go?
Also, how would an M Night's FMA adaptation go?

toth won against a dude that can literaly create a ocean of sand that can protect a entire city from a nuke because blind

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Well if you discount Legend of Korra then that technique isn't even a thing. And I said
>that sort of creativity
not that Aang isn't creative. Do you take Aang for the kind of character who would think of bending the air out of someone's body before suffocating them? He doesn't have that sadistic ruthless creativity that Zaheer has.

nah if you watched Brotherhood first it will probably just be weird for you, but up to you

Not really. Katara could bloodbend and Aang couldnt. Toph could metalbend and Aang couldn't. Zaheer could fly without airbending staff and Aang couldn't.

That being said something like making a vacuum around someone so they couldn't breathe well is something Aang would most likely be able to do I think. Its just using standard airbending used more ruthlessly

Didn't he make giant functioning cannons out of earth before?

I don't even know how these two were brought together, you would think they'd pit Aang against Storm or some shit. Edward is a smart dude and I love him way better than Aang, but Aang is only an entirely different level.

Why not Captain Planet against Aang?

FMA is so good, even the omakes alone make the manga worth reading

I think they are going for balance (balance of elements and equivalent exchange) and guys who manipulate the elements

Do you really want to see Ted Turner's self insert of all people beat up one of the most beloved cartoon characters of the 2000s?
Besides, the only connection is 4 elements and a retconned origin for the Avatar being the spirit of the planet
Ed vs Aang makes more sense the more you think about it

>Do you take Aang for the kind of character who would think

Think that is a possibility? Yes, I absolutely think that Aang would know that's something he could do with bending. But he wouldn't fucking do it, because he's not a monster. That's sort of the point of his character and he goes through an entire arc about how murdering people with bending is easy as shit.

Ah, yes. There were tanks in the show.
I still think that Ed has higher chances since Aang neithet can replicate nor knows any of the tricks alchemy has to offer. Meanwhile Ed will figure out Aang's limitations eventually and will use metal / wood attacks while keeping distance and putting up shields whenever he needs it.

Aang could potentially bloodbend because how else did he beat Yakone
Just force through it with the avatar state?
How is that possible without just bloodbending yourself?

No he didn't, in 2003 he made something that looked like one but it didn't fire if it did it would probably just shoot a fist as per usual. There's a reason why people make basic javelins and stuff like that instead of cannons.

>Is 2003 worth a go?
The first few episodes of both are pretty similar so you wouldn't notice a ton of differences.
Personally, I think the original FMA's scene with Nina was more impactful, but in every other way brotherhood was better.

He's made cannons yes
Yes they do fire bullets of stone
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So from what I'm reading if Aang can go airborne he wins right?

Ed only makes those because of his natural sense of extravagance. They don't use gunpowder, he's firing normal stones same concept as what Izumi does
or Mei creating big stone kunai to shoot. Ed can't just spawn a handgun if he wanted one.

Aang doesn't need to understand shit. He has overwhelming force. He can literally open the ground up to swallow Ed, fill the hole with fire, and then drop a fucking mountain on top for good measure. Ed wants to build a wall to protect himself? Well, Ed doesn't have any chi, so unless he built that barrier out of metal Aang literally has control over it the second it gets made. He can crush Ed with his own walls.

The only way Ed even stands a chance is if RT pulls some Philosopher's Stone fuckery.

Do fake philosopher stones do anything?
Cause Father Cornello made a gatling gun out of a cane

>they fire bullets
>made of stone
>and they didn't even work against another alchemist, let alone a guy who has absolute control over stone

Canon is that Ed borroes energy not from chi but from earth tectonic movements.
Also, Id argue that Ed is too slow due to his need to understand. Hes a scholar and knows his shit by heart.
As for stomping with earth masses, ye, that sounds bad. Aang had incredible power. I dont think I seen Ed create or destroy geographic objects

>Ed borroes energy not from chi but from earth tectonic movements.
I know Aang won't do this since he lacks the information but couldn't Aang just stop the techtonic plates and kill his energy

What? Avatar State Aang is still a giant no-kill rule pussy that decided last minute he didn't want to kill Ozai and pulled an energy bending straight out of his ass.

Depends.
Tectonic plates are massive parts of the planet's crust itself.
You'd need to be able to stop the movement of the crust over the mantle of the earth. That is, you'd need to be able to control the entire surface of the planet at once. If you stopped just the one they were sitting on, there would still be the other tectonic plates still moving (which would be a bad idea for other reasons) so, presumably, alchemy would still work in that case.

I guess the better question is:
Can Earthbending bend the entire surface of the planet itself?

This two are probably the biggest feats made by earth benders. lifting an entire city and breaking and turning it into an island

Edward stare down Truth, aka the god of FMA and won. Raava ain't shit.

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>and a retconned origin for the Avatar being the spirit of the planet
Aang had could transfer his mind in living beings and plants so this actually explains that power.

He didn't lift Yu Dao
He just made a massive chasm surrounding it

It was only mentioned on that old official Avatar website
The one with the map
Korra retconned the Avatar spirit into Raava shit

ok, but Kyoshi turning a peninsula into an island thing did happen.

I don't know how big that city was, or the size of the plates on whatever planet this might take place on.
But again, the size of a tectonic plate isn't just the flat plane of longitude and latitude they occupy, but also the depth of the entire crust itself down to the mantle.
It's not known if alchemy would be rendered unusable if only one plate on the crust were stopped, or if the energy from the other plates moving would still be relevant.
In either case, the size of that city, based on that image alone, is much MUCH less land mass than even the smallest minor plate.
Again, this is just my estimation, but I don't think an earthbender could halt a tectonic plate. The amount of energy in the movement of our plates is mind boggling.
That still isn't quite up to the scale of stopping a major or even a minor plate.
When you mention tectonic plates, what you're talking about is literally large fractions of the surface of the earth that extends down through the crust and a bit into the upper mantle as well. We're talking 175 kilometers down, and several million square kilometers in surface area.

How large of a penninsula are we talking?
Do you have any images for reference?

Ed doesn't have a no-kill policy due to Deathattle rules? Ed just use his military issued pistol and shot Aang dead.

Well, given that death battle throws the morals of the characters out the window, Ed theoretically can kill Aang using Scar's touch of death rule. He is the one that figured out that Scar stops early in the alchemy process to explode his victims, and never did it in the show because that is outside of his moral character. I mean, shit, if you really want to focus on "in show only" tactics, Ed can theoretically just touch one of Aang's wounds and suck out all the iron in his blood and kill him that way, since we say him create a iron weapon with the ocean of blood inside Gluttony's stomach dimension. The rules of alchemy basically state that if you know what the composition of the thing you are transmuting is, you can break it down and reconstruct it. That is how Alchemy works. Ed knows by heart what the human body is made from down to the exact qualities of those elements. And since he has been given the power of The Truth, he just needs to clap and touch of death Aang. There are theoretically dozens of ways he could mess with the alchemical composition of Aang's body and kill him.

>Do you have any images for reference?

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That wasn't earthbending, though. That was airbending. She used airbending to cut off the peninsula and float it out to sea.

Roy isn't a fire bender though. He is similar to Sparky Sparky Boom Man where he can create explosions. Fire is just the aftermath of the occurring explosion.

It LOOKS like about the size of a micronesian or polynesian island; am I gauging the size of that correctly?

Who would win in a fight?
Ben Singer vs Ben 10
Big Boss vs Nick Fury
DB:Evolution Goku vs Donte
Bucky vs Jason Todd
and literally, anyone that would give the Power Rangers their first win holy shit we have a worse ratio than Soul Caliber

Alright guys, we all Ed vs Aang is child's play
The real debate is Yoki vs Cabbage Merchant

Power Rangers and Soul Calibur have the same ratio if you're not counting DBX

Right, if he's touching Aang. user seems to think Aang can just clap his hands and transmute Aang's body into a bomb whenever he wants. Deconstruction is Ed's OHKO.

Spawn barely counts if you count his cameo and the sad fact that that's how most people know him

>user seems to think Aang can just clap his hands and transmute Aang's body into a bomb whenever he wants.
Not what I was saying earlier at all.
I was saying he could separate metallic sodium from salt in the body.
And that user seems to be pretty much agreeing.

Sure. Aang just have to personally kill everyone from Team Avatar and let go of his personal connections that grounded him.

Ya. Ed is pretty much a Touch of Death character. Emphasis on touch

I meant the suffocation thing

That doesn't make any sense why would you use air to cut the earth when you can literally just bend it? she did push the island away from the mainland using the air bending though.

Yeah, basically, if Edward loses his metal arm, he already lost, since he cant do alchemy with only one hand

Final fight against Father, Ed got back his original fleshy arm.

Joker won by using his joker venom, which can affect beings like superman.

Why do that if he can just deconstruct, which is actually in his skillset.

That was Aang regaining control over the Avatar state. The Avatar state itself will kill the fuck out of anyone for any reason.

They are probably going to use his metal arm since that is what he is known for.

>he cant do alchemy with only one hand
In the first episode, in the first 5 minutes of FMA:B he does exactly that. Albeit he uses an actual transmutation circle and his own blood to draw it to bind his brother's soul to the armor.

Not with the clap method, obviously where he uses his body as a shortcut.

>That being said something like making a vacuum around someone so they couldn't breathe well is something Aang would most likely be able to do I think. Its just using standard airbending used more ruthlessly

There is absolutely zero reason to believe that airbending could be used to create a vacuum. Zero. Think about it for five fucking seconds, using your brain.

Seeing this image makes me honestly think I watched the wrong FMA.

Airbending literally isn't "freeform telekinesis but with air", you fucking retard, it's a mystical martial art with rules and restrictions.

actually he lost his leg first THEN his arm, so he did use both his arms then

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The Research Team member's blog still sees that as a weakness
>Because Ed normally performs transmutation by clapping his hands together, should his automail arm be destroyed or severely damaged, he’ll be unable to perform alchemy in that manner.

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You're the one who seems to be mad, and very autistic as well.

Originally, WAAAAYYY back here:

and here:
user was saying ed couldn't make fire or explosions without flame alchemy.
And I basically was saying there's ways to make combustion occur without roy's flame alchemy. Roy's flame alchemy is a very specific method of creating flame, known only to him through a really interesting series of events that's not really relevant here. He wasn't the one who invented it, mind you. He copied it and reproduced an inferior version and destroyed the original.

I stand thoroughly corrected, thank you.
Good memory.

I mean they're not really wrong.
That is the lynch pin to his quick transmutation.
Without that he's limited by how fast he can draw those symbols by hand.
Not to mention, in the series, if I'm not mistaken, when his automail gets broken, it's too complicated for him to understand, so he can't reassemble it with alchemy.
Which is weird, because he fixes a busted radio in Reole just fine with alchemy doesn't he?

Do you think that they will give him some of Korra's dumb mecha and kaiju feats from the season 2 and 4 finales of Korra it sounds stupid and doesn't make sense but I can totally see them doing it, especially considering Korra lost her connection with the other avatars so she should be weaker

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How can this fight end aside from Aang going avatar state and ending Edd in one move?

I mean, if she lost her connection to the other avatars, wouldn't that mean that was all her and not any of the experience Aang would be privy to being an avatar, especially given the fact that Korra comes after Aang.

>Canon is that Ed borroes energy not from chi but from earth tectonic movements.

Yup, that was my point. A bender infuses what they bend with their own chi, that's basically how they control it. So anything Edward tries to make with alchemy, Aang would immediately have control over because Ed isn't a bender.

imagine being so dumb that you don't understand that you're literally arguing for what firebending is

Jesus christ you must be autistic as fuck

She still has her connections with ravaa like all the other avatars and it seems to give her the power up to do all the crazy shit she does.

Is that not what Zaheer did to the earth queen?

You didn't refute a single point made, you asserted it was wrong. That aside, refuting what you said directly:
Fire bending is bending fire.
Fire is an oxidation reaction.
Separating sodium and chlorine is not an oxidation reaction.
Sodium reacts with water even in the absence of oxygen and is exothermic even without oxygen.

You have stopped arguing long ago and reduced your posts to name calling and argument ad lapidem.

>oxidation reaction
science shit doesn't matter when it's literally magic being used to control it

Did everybody just forget Ed's speed feats in FMA? He has dodged bullets. He keeps up with Scar, he has dodged multiple bullets.

The way I see it, Aang is limited to the 4 basic element where Ed is more expansive in the things he can create. Aang can't control metal, Ed can turn it to whatever he wants. Aang can bend air and water, but Ed understands the composition of the elements that makes them. Like, Ed is a master strategist and can break down say water into hydrogen and if Aang goes to fire bend he blows himself up. Aang has better control over common elements but not understanding. Ed has deep understanding but limited control. I dunno how this really plays out, but I feel the enviroment will play a role as to who wins.

Zaheer did it and he was just an air bender weeb

...the fuck are you smoking, man? Creating a vacuum is just removing the air from a space. That would be piss easy for an airbender. Zaheer murders the Earth Queen that way. There's literally a clip of it earlier in the thread.

Ed can only transmutate one thing at a time
Aang can bend all four elements at once

It ain't gonna help him reach Aang when he's in several feet above him and creating fissures beneath

Yup. Rules and restrictions regarding how to use air in a manner strikingly similar to freeform telekinesis. You didn't fucking watch the show at all, did you?

Reminder that this is literally turtle magic

This is all moot.
What's being controlled is the bond between sodium atoms and chlorine atoms. Not fire. Not oxygen.
It's literally as simple as breaking the bond between the two. Breaking the bond between sodium and chlorine isn't "fire," nor is it control of flame.

Which, fire bending or alchemy?

Bending

Ed can transmute the ground and cancel out any fissures Aang makes. Ed literally just needs to touch Aang and the battle is over a dozen times over. Aang can't bend the iron back into his body once its out, let alone total deconstruction

What would you characterize as fire bending?

Ed is capable of producing multiple canons.

>Aang is limited to the 4 basic element

4 basic elements and all of their sub-elements. Bending water, for instance, doesn't just mean water whips and shooting icicles. Waterbenders can bend blood. They can bend the water in plants. They can bend clouds. Earthbenders can bend metal, and molten rock, and sand. Firebenders can throw fucking lightning.

And keep in mind that while AANG can't do shit like bend metal, while in the Avatar State he has access to both the power and the knowledge of the Avatars that came before him. So if one them knows how to bend metal or molten rock or blood, then Aang will be able to do it in the Avatar State, too.

See

magic that was given by turtles

Aang can't do any of the sub-element bending. Its literally canon that he never mastered them.

And Aang can destroy them as easily if they're made of rock

I guess he can redirect lighting

That describes where it came from, not what it is or does.
What does firebending have control over? I mean, this seems like it should be obvious to me, but I want to know what it is, and what it isn't in control of.

Earth benders can bend tarmac and asphalt now?

Aang is a ranged fighter, there's no way in Hell he's just gonna go back to the ground

Ed actually kind of sucks at fighting. Does he really win any of his fights in Fullmetal aside from the very last one?

he can redirect lightning and we've seen multiple previous avatars lavabend
aang more than likely knows how to shoot lightning because Roku himself was a noble and best friends with a previous firelord

>Ed just needs to touch Aang!
>who is probably like 50 feet up in the air
>in a giant bubble of hurricanes and fire and electric death
>while a hellstorm of razor-sharp ice and stone bullets rains down
>and he's constantly transmuting the ground just to keep himself from being crushed by the gnashing earth
>and probably having the breath literally sucked out of his lungs
>but yeah, all he has to do is touch Aang and the fight is totally over a million billion times, man!

Mate, the cannons Ed makes aren't real cannons
See

Sure he is. Aang will deactivate the Avatar State and attempt to energy bend away Ed's alchemy. Only to have the tables turn against him and Ed would alchemy away his past lives and thus killing Raava.

That's a big if. Like, if I'm not mistaken, isn't Toph literally the only Earthbender ever to be able to bend metal. Not to mention that blood bending was a forbidden technique that was only taught to Katina.

Depending on the environment, he could make them out of metal. Since, he can transmute metal easily.

He defeated Slicer

>Aang can't do any of the sub-element bending.

Yup. That's why I said:

>And keep in mind that while AANG can't do shit like bend metal, while in the Avatar State he has access to both the power and the knowledge of the Avatars that came before him. So if one them knows how to bend metal or molten rock or blood, then Aang will be able to do it in the Avatar State, too.

How the fuck do you expect to have any sort of real discussion about this if you don't even finish reading the posts you're responding to, bromigo?

>energy bend
He's only used that as a non lethal alternative

Ed is good at fighting

youtube.com/watch?v=bZ3XPULM1AY

Korra has access to both the power and knowledge of the previous Avatars and yet she initially still had difficulties air bending.

for what reason would aang energybend someone, a technique that has been used to passify enemies you don't want to kill, in a death battle

I'm not saying he won't do that, deathbattles are trash, but in a logical sense it's stupid to make that argument

I think you could make the argument that if Katara never taught anyone else bloodbending, yet other people still knew how to do it
metalbending is something other avatars could potentially know

Lets say Aang has a massive bubble of water drowning his head and rocks emerging and crushing his legs
He can deconstruct both the water and the rock but not at the same time

that's because she is legit stupid

Korra was retarded and you know it. That's like asking why the autistic kid on the grassy knoll didn't stop the Kennedy assassination; he, like Korra, was too busy shoving crayons up his ass.

>Korra, was too busy shoving crayons up his ass
drawfags!
heed my call!

youtube.com/watch?v=UXbskDZKD7o
youtube.com/watch?v=fyOY7L-HsjE

Korra couldn't use the Avatar State for the same reason she couldn't airbend, and she can use them both just fine once she figured out the root of her problem.

Korra was shoving crayons up JFK's assassination?

>50 feet
He's gonna make a height joke isn't he?

Potentially. Like forbidden techniques are usually not taught, and if other people could bend metal, why is it such a big deal Toph could. Like, why don't we see more metal benders?

Hold his breath, transmute the rocks, then transmute the water.

Because Full Metal is objectively not even that good of an alchemist in his own universe and operates within certain theoretical limits. Equivalent exchange and what-not.

Aang has no theoretical upper level that has been specified in-universe.

What if the water freezes?

fine
as long as I get to see her butthole

Toph was the first because she realized metal had bendable rocks within them due to her seismic sense

It also takes away part of your body.

Doesn't he use the seismic sense in the finale?

Yup.

> If Ed loses his harder to break than normal metal arm he won't be able to fight anymore.

Most people you could put up against Aang would be done if they lost a limb. Aang certainly could take Ed's arm, but if Aang loses a limb is he still a threat? You can say "Avatar State" but getting hit by lightning was able to cancel it, so losing a limb could do that too. Normal bending is usually a full body process so he might be left mostly defenseless if that happened.

I thought Ravva just gave the avatar raw power while the past lives only contributed knowledge of the elements?

if aang loses only one arm, it's not a big deal
earthbending uses more feet stuff and fire/air bending have plenty of leg movements

Raava gives him the ability to bend multiple elements and provides the connection to other avatars
the powerboost comes from connecting to past avatars
which is why korra was garbage

Does Aang have any particular pain tolerance feats you'd like to enter as supporting evidence or did you just forget that people can go into shock and shut down when they start literally falling apart?

she does get like a strength boost, i think, there was a scene in the last season of Korra where she is interrogating some guy and turns into the avatar state to pick the guy up and the chair with one arm.

>You can say "Avatar State" but getting hit by lightning was able to cancel it

He wasn't fully in the Avatar State when he got zapped, which is why his heart stopping didn't end the cycle. More to the point, I'm not entirely certain how Ed would have the opportunity to lop off Aang's arm.

...although that would be pretty neat.
>Ed pulls off some crazy bullshit and manages to get in close
>severs Aang's right arm but gets fucking cooked in the process
>Ed's dead and now Aang gets some bitchin' automail

Toph can animate a suit of armor and Ty Lee can dye her hair blonde. We get an even better anime out of the deal, it's win-win.

Korra gets a strength boost, but it's not as impressive as it was for Aang. Allegedly, this was a writing decision caused by Korra being more confrontational and mature than Aang, which risked letting her steam-roll through any physical confrontation.

Not to mention how she pulled solid rock out of a cave wall with just physical strength

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And those chains were platinum, so she couldn't bend it

Honestly i think this could go either way
Though at first glance things go for Aang because he for the most part has more sheer power and mobility, Ed has a lot of his own stuff
He's got plenty of good ranged options, he can change the materials of the stuff around him into things Aang cannot bend, he's got a good instant kill option if he can grab Aang, he's shown to be more resourceful than Aang, and most importantly he is faster reaction wise by a fair margin since he was able to fight two of the failed wraths at once, who were able to dodge bullets rather easily
Despite all that Aang being flying crazy powered artillery when in avatar state still may be too much, and i think that this will be a neat fight no matter what

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>muh invincible character core
Did they read DC at all?

Shaggy vs El Hermano

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So who should Wrath fight?
Mecha Hitler?

No

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Wasn't Hitler actually in the FMA movie?

Conquerer of Shamballa, yes.

Who would win
Wrath or Wrath?

At this point I genuinely want to see them use Shaggy to fight someone. I bet with enough research you could actually show a bunch of random toon physics things he has done that could make him an actual contender.

It would totally be a big deal. Especially since this would be his first instance of losing a major limb. The trauma alone might kill him if not the blood lost.

Because it should be obvious?

God I hope not
Rooster Teeth cannot be funny in their current state, and whenever they try it's fucking torture to watch, and them grabbing onto a dead meme will only make things worse
Whoever wrote deadpool's lines should sterilized

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You can probably make any character beat any other if you really wanted.
I mean, they're not real.

On one hand, I want Aang to win because I feel his vastly wider range, simultaneous bending, and Avatar State handing him centuries of experience could trump Ed's speed and wit
On the other hand I want Ed to win to avoid angry Vicfags

There are ways for Ed to win even very cinematic ones that play well into the characters' personalities, but the odds favor Aang. They'd have to push for Ed to get the win, and I feel like that's just asking for trouble.

Would this fly in today's climate?

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My reaction to outrage culture is to ignore it, so I have no idea.

They said in Fate vs Strange that Stephen did have ways to win but Fate simply had the better odds so he won the fight

Doubt it.
There'd be a shitstorm coming from both ends of, "if you like anime you're a nazi and this is proof" and, "If you don't like this anime you're a commie."

You did, go watch Brotherhood right the fuck now.

>Has been in the military
>Olympic level athlete and possibly broke world records in running accidentally
>Ass kicking machine when in no fear mode
>Has faced actual monsters before

I could see it.

"If you like a child killer like Darth Vader, you're a ????"

>Has faced actual monsters before
When? The Scooby-Doo Apocalypse thing? The Supernatural crossover?

There were no fake philosopher's stones, just ones with a relatively small amount of souls in them.

It'd just be Hydra Cap but with Weebs

Like half the movies are about real monsters. Some of the fake monsters use technology that can only be described as magic in the first place, too.

Pedo maybe?
or is this more of a trick question?

How long ago was hydra cap anyway?

About 3 years I think

Depends on how much you are willing to go with.

Composite Shaggy has faced or encountered

>A lovecraftian horror (Mystery Inc)
>Ghost Witch (Sarah Ravencroft)
>Witches (KISS movie)
>Actual Demons (2002 movie)
>Robots (Charlie and the Nazi Murder Bots from Mystery Inc)
>Cat Demons (Zombie Island)
>Zombies (Zombie Island)
>Goblin King
>Headless Horseman
>Mr. Hyde
>Aliens
>Ghouls
>Standard Ghosts
>Genies
>Bigfoot
>Bizarro
>Lava Monster
>Loch Ness Monster
>Living Statues
>Lake Monsters
>Giant Robots
>Regular Robots and Nazi Kill Bots
>Dracula and the other big monsters
>Destroyer
>Mecha Gryphon
>Pterodactyl Ghost
>Scrappy Rex
>Wendigos
>Fairies
>Yetis
>Cyber Phantom

and probably shit ton of other things I am missing.

What about Composite Scooby does he do better than Shaggy?

That only matters if literally no other past Avatars, or their combined knowledge and power, could achieve metalbending.

This came out today
youtube.com/watch?v=UCj8llyzfWo

His newest/last automail is a hybrid make, retard.

Since Scooby is almost always with Shaggy they kind of share feats.

Primary difference I can think of is in Mystery Inc, Scooby is a descendant of The Annunaki (an interdimensional race of talking animal beings who visited earth during some cosmic event) and Shaggy trained in the military and operated a tank at some point. They both also commandeered some killbot suits and mowed down some bad guys.

They also sumo wrestled before

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I thought that came out yesterday?
Either way not surprised they made this video to try and stay relevant by getting people upset at them.

Korra VS Ed would have been better. I could see Korra making fun of Ed's height

Because Avatar state Aang can destroy a city or a fleet in a few moments, and Ed can destroy a large house.

destructive power isn't everything, and both have lots of potential ways to win

Ed fought a person who literally had GOD HIMSELF sealed inside of him and had his power to a draw for a short period of time.

He only won because he couldn't contain Truth any longer and started to weaken

WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU CALLING A MIDGET, user?!

Brotherhood Bradley would fucking TRASH Ed 1v1, though.

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Finishing blow would probably be Ed launching a metal spear that passes through Aang's shield

>They don’t really fight per se but characters Ed has matched characters like Scar and Greed/Ling who have.

From the blog from earlier in the thread
It's from one of the researchers

Because although Ed can transmute more materials Aang has more control over the elements when it comes to precision.

Can we just assume that anything the other, more specialized alchemists in the series have done Ed can do so as well? He's supposedly an alchemy genius but all he does usually is stone shaping and soul transmutations.

>Manga, comics and cartoons have a way of 'forgetting' important abilities characters have been established to have
Funnily enough FMA doesn't in both 03 and Brotherhood when Ed learns new applications for alchemy such as transmuting living matter he uses them frequently until the end.

>a guy with no formal training struggled to do it
>therefore THE FUCKING AVATAR would struggle with it

>Aang doesn't have creativity
>nevermind how he invented the air scooter and can draw on all of his past lives

>

Assuming the alchemist in question doesn't use any acrobatics or physical skills alongside their alchemy like Armstrong or Giolio or requires an item to combust the air like Mustang then yeah, Ed could do it all.

>Which is weird, because he fixes a busted radio in Reole just fine with alchemy doesn't he?
Al fixes it with a chalk circle.

>Aang will deactivate the Avatar State and attempt to energy bend away Ed's alchemy.
Not if he wants to kill the little shit, he won't. He did that with Ozai because he was firmly set on NOT killing him

Wrath, easily.

Because Aang is a giant pussy.

As long as all they're asserting is that Ed could help grind Bradley down, okay: that's basically all Scar and Greedling could do.

If they try to say that this means Ed could SOLO Bradley, that's a crock of shit.

If Aang is a God, why wasn't it Aang vs. Father? Wouldn't that be a more even fight? Or even the cocoa muscle chick from the sequel, she's got the biggest dick in the whole series, right?

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Because thematic>fair

This, yeah. Protagonist v. protagonist is pottery.

don't count wrath out, he is pretty strong and fast

Because Aang has flashy, magical powers like "make tornadoes" or "hurl waves of magma", whilst Ed has fairly mundane seeming "turn what you're touching into other stuff".

Really, the big issue is that Aang has a plethora of projectile attacks, two of which are air and fire-based and thus don't exactly seem like they could be affected by Ed's transmuting touch. In comparison, Ed's powers seem fairly short-ranged, and slower to activate, since Ed has to clap-touch-concentrate, whilst Aang just does the motion and the elements respond.

>Goku vs Superman 3
...Do they have the balls to 3-0 Goku?

God if they do...

Everyone here talking about Eds alchemy and all this stuff he knows about the human body and how he can deconstruct Aang despite it probably being his weakest option against Aang by far. Unlike other DBs, they are strong but without powers they are both peak human martial artists only, at least Ed is. Aang is a bit tankier but he can't survive being gunned down. This battle shouldn't go on long enough for anything other than
>ed turns his arm into a machine gun and just kills aang.
Aang cannot react to bullets.
Ot
>Aang opens the ground underneath ed for a second then instantly smashes him into paste.
With no-kill rules gone, they both have ways of near instantly ending the opponent with no react time for the other to get started, and Aang is the faster of the two by a massive margin. Now. If they had a team or gabk squad, I'd start putting this more in favor of the Alchemists. You can only not get shot gor so long.

In close range? Edward. If the guy throws away any constraints he could turn the innards of the other guy into mush just by touch. Remember how he used the Scar destruction technique.

Knowing the insides of an old timey radio with so few parts you can count them with fingers is quite a bit different from knowing how to put together a prosthetic that plugs into the human nervous system.

Toph beat Gaara with a clothesline.
a 10 year old girl beat a teen who learns how to react quick enough to replace your body with a log as his first lesson in elementary school

DB doesnt give a shit about canon reaction speed.

Everyone are forgetting that ed has no alchemy. Why do you faggots keep talking about that shit show where two nerds poorly read out fanfic tier statistics?

Ed's smart, but I don't remember him really making a lot of crazy offensive stuff that Aang couldn't get around.

Because they are obviously using a metal armed Ed that still has Alchemy, you fucking mongoloid.

Goku vs Superman 3 would make no sense if "there is no limit to power" is the excuse. Especially since Superman shouldn't get touched in any of his media if that was true. Plus, if they are using composite Superman, then composite Goku (DragonBall Heroes, Z, GT, and Manga) will destroy him.
The new excuse will be "Goku fights someone, he gets a free power-up to win" like in Super.

Ed has never made an actual firearm

>>ed turns his arm into a machine gun and just kills aang.
>Aang cannot react to bullets.
Aang raises a rock wall.

Everyone are forgetting that aang has been dead for years. Why do you faggots keep talking about that shit show where two nerds poorly read out fanfic tier statistics?

This is talking about characters at their peaks, otherwise it would be alchemyless Ed vs dead and soul destroyed Aang

>Bell rings
>Aang flies up and spams natural disasters until one kills Ed
>GG no REEE

Aang actually fucked his gf and had kids. Ed never tapped Winry because he's a little faggot.

>Thinking they're going to do Superman vs Goku 3
Smooth brain.

Composite Supes is bullshit, though. Nothing Goku has can fight the thought robot, strange visitor, one million, and the like.

>Aang actually fucked his gf and had kids. Ed never tapped Winry because he's a little faggot
The credits show their babies tho

VS battle wiki is ran by insane people. See the Simon Belmont meme.

Except putting Superman at infinity level isn't no limits fallacy since he's pulled off infinite strength feats again. And again. And again. He's got like 4-5 of them now. It's not NLF when he KEEPS DOING IT.

You mean the research team that knows more about DC than any of their researches in the past, who absolutely don't listen to vs battle wiki fanboys and their wank, who had Hal Jordan kill Failure X who was wanked to be more powerful than Goku?

That research team? They'd tear Goku's asshole a new one, but there's no way they'd actually do Goku vs Superman 3.

That doesn't mean Superman vs Goku 3 dumbass.

Say they are though.

Let's see what they've done since Goku vs Superman 2.

>Superman
Breaks a tower of infinity make by a 5D imp.

Teased to legit punch Dr. Manhattan to death.

Punches out the guy that creates multiverses by hammering them out on his anvil and BROKE HIS ANVIL.

>Goku

Loses to a Superman expy.

Oh golly gee I wonder who would win!

>Thinking its not going to be Goku vs One Punch Man

He also broke through Hypertime, so there's that.

*Whipcracks*

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What causes a person to play through Castlevania I and II and think "Yeah that dude? That dude breaks galaxies with every whip crack. Each little 8-bit jump has enough raw power to snuff out a star."

What the fuck is the water that instant kills you then if you fall in? Anti-life?

youtube.com/watch?v=fUEEz_I_kFU

Behold! The cosmic war between two beings more powerful than Galactus!

You know the Molecule Man bomb Dr. Doom used to kill the Beyonders?

Just one bottle of Simon's holy water has about that much power.

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Composite Supes stomps but main continuity Goku wins

...

He's POSSIBLY 2-C, your post is either outdated or lying. The 4-A ranking is also retarded, VSBattles is a bad metric for video game characters as they blow everything out of proportion and use dubious scaling. In reality Simon loses to a swimming pool, the dude can't even swim.

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>Aang can bend all four elements at once
No he fucking can't. Unless it's the Avatar State which is its own thing entirely

Otherwise Aang can only bend one element at a time

Honestly, Vsbattles tiering sounds good on paper but it just turns the debate into who has the bigger power level

That was done by the Avatar State, also even with the Avatar State it can't do anything the other previous Avatars couldn't, like metalbend.

Wow look at this amazing semi wall level Simon!

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>Loses to a Superman expy.
Jirin lost the tournament.

Goku didn't even beat Jiren, his UI ran out at the last minute and 17, Frieza and Goku got the jump on an exhausted Jiren and ONLY knocked him out of the platform and didn't really defeat him.

>done with the Avatar State
And that won't factor in the fight because?

There's no way in Hell they aren't gonna let him use the Avatar State
Its as much as outside help as say Kurama or the souls in Fate's helm or the Ectonurite DNA in Ben's omnitrix
They literally made Harry Potter fight Luke was because they saw how powerful the Avatar State was in the series finale

You say that like he's not going to go Avatar State.

Avatar state is part of his arsenal.

It will, but that's besides the point. Point is, they're going to factor Aang's base strength for the most part since DBs are based on who wins "most" of the time, and while AS Aang is impressive he can't and wouldn't use it most of the time.

And again, the Avatar State is built up power of all the previous Avatars, meaning it can only do what they're capable of, and metalbending wasn't a thing for centuries.

Kimbelee was crazy

See

That's like saying Power of Nothingness or Evil Ryu shouldn't matter since Ryu doesn't use them often

>while AS Aang is impressive he can't and wouldn't use it most of the time.
In a fight to the death he absolutely would, and DB tends to go by peak skill levels meaning end-of-series Aang when he absolutely could.

I'm with you on him not having metalbending or bloodbending, but he can and will use the Avatar State.

>Forgetting the no kill rule
You forgot Goku's bodycount with the matter that he had to hold back limitless power for UI? It's not called limit breaker for nothing, especially since he activated it with barely any energy to begin with.
Second, Jirin was at maximum power, still couldn't touch him, and Goku was trying to find out how to push him over without disintegrating the entire stage and Jirin into nothing.

Tl;dr - He was holding back the whole time.

>Implying those bricks weren't omniverse +++ level
Each brick contains 200000000 multiverses scrub. Brush up on your lore.

youtu.be/2RUrjLfhOFU

He did a good job of looking at Goku vs Superman

Tl;dw Ultra Instinct Goku can beat all Supermen except Prime, Visitor, Darkseid , Thought Robot, Milkman

but Xenoverse beats Strange Visitor

Besides, if Ed can use destruction alchemy to do a one hit kill despite never using it on a living thing (with flesh)
Aang should be allowed the Avatar State

>Superman expy
I fucking wish
Jiren sucks

What the fuck? He doesn't need to be in the Avatar state to bend multiple elements at the same time. Where did you get that impression?

Headcanon. If Goku was so strong, he would have pushed out Jiren or KO'd him in the first place. Why the fuck would Goku hold back when he's fighting on Instinct and the universe is at stake? You can't hold back instinct.

This dude was high as a kite.

>Xenoverse is really powerful because he beat a guy that got his hands on the timelnes
>UI beating anything on main Superman's level let alone some of his enhanced versions.
>Darkseid Superman being powerful at all when it was literally just Superman but corrupted
>Milkman being powerful when he hasn't done anything but beat up the Doom Patrol and run off crying over his existential issues.
>Visitor not as strong as Prime

I can see why his cartoon avatar if OPM. The dude is a giant faggot and probably has vs battle wiki bookmarked.

Yes he does. When the fuck has Aang or any avatar bended all four elements at once not in the Avatar State?

All true points but Prime is stronger than Visitor by virtue of scaling past 5D imps (one was part of the Superman Dynasty who he leased power to).

Exactly!

Capsule Corp goku also beats Prime

They’re full of shit.

youtu.be/BtRUH1iktRY

Seething

Darkseid Superman? You mean God of Strength Superman? That guy is just a big jobber, and did nothing special compared to even his base self or his God JL counterparts. He seemed maybe a bit more powerful than his standard self.

Superman can hold back "limitless power" so Metropolis and friends won't get crushed like ants from everyday activities.
Goku does the same even in his highest forms. Like Krillin vs SSB Goku.
Fact is that full power Jirin means MAXIMUM so he was trying to kill Goku and tried killing his friends for his insane wish. Goku overpowered him, humbled him, kicked his ass, and still had to hold back infinite force so he wouldn't blow up Jirin as per rules of Omniking. Mastered Ultra Instinct has a short time limit, but the no kill rule fucked up Goku's end more.

I'm assuming he means God of Strength when he says Darkseid Superman unless he's talking about that elseworld where Darkseid adopts and raises him, but that version wasn't very powerful at all.

I'm not giving him clicks, what did he say?

And look all the good it did

You're misunderstanding the point. Yeah, Aang is going to use the AS in the DB, there's no doubt in my mind about that.

The thing is, it won't be the killer app everyone thinks it is, since it's still hard countered by Ed transmutating the environment to fit his ends
Like what you agreed with me with.
>I'm with you on him not having metalbending or bloodbending,
Because Aang or any other previous Avatar wouldn't know how to use it, or counter it

He is absolutely wrong about milkman being stronger then cosmic armor, he clearly just read the description of the character and has no idea of what happened in milk wars

>Xenoverse beating a guy who held back entropy for untold number of aeons and only let go when the rest of the universe had finished dying off naturally
Fucking how?

There was no indication the no-kill rule impacted ANY of the fighters during the tournament. Absolutely no one was holding back by the end.

Ryu killed Jin with PoN
There's also Fate's super form that's seldomly used

>Strongest fighters in the multiverse
>Hurr we fight at full power and we can tank it
Everyone held back dumbass. Frieza fucking shot winged flyers down and had to be told not to kill people with one shot lasers. Hit is a goddamn assassin and he couldn't murder people like he wanted to. Only Kefla and Jirin was willing to kill with laser light shows of death and trying to kill the audience, respectively.

It saved Roshi from being killed by Frost. But that's about it. Nowhere else was it implied the rule affected anyone by the end, they were all going out to survive

God of Destruction Toppo tried to kill Vegeta with Hakai. His team would've been eliminated and Vegeta would've saved the universe with that sacrifice.

I stand corrected.
Thanks for the reminder.

I like Milkmanman but he's literally just a Superman Retconn made because their retcon wasn't able to convert the real Superman like it did Batman and Wonder Woman. He even has issues over being a second-rate Superman.

He shows up, beats up Doom Patrol, and cries. That's it. Maybe he has some special durability normal Supes doesn't have because his two mommies were a fictional character and a living nothing (its Doom Patrol) but he's not some kind of cosmic god. Rita had better feats from the same story arc.

Retard, in the beginning all the fighters held back in order to conserve strength and not kill fodder. But in the end, all gloves were off against the likes of Kefla, Aniraza and Jiren. Your stupid fanfiction doesnt change that.

That's honestly pretty flimsy logic. But, then again, what did I expect from the people who made Deadpool fight Pinkie Pie of all characters?

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He is talking about the Superman that was adopted, he says that Superman beat true form darksied but I´m pretty sure he only beat the avatar of that world

Which proves the point that no one was tanking at the end.

>You're misunderstanding the point.
Well, in it looked like the point was that Aang "can't and wouldn't use" the Avatar State, but whatever.

>The thing is, it won't be the killer app everyone thinks it is, since it's still hard countered by Ed transmutating the environment to fit his ends
I wouldn't say it's hard countered by any means.

There are lots of things AS Aang can do that Ed could nullify, like hurling rock bullets or opening small pits. There's also shit that Ed couldn't possibly cope with.
>Ha! I noticed you can't manipulate metal, so I transmuted the floor of the room to iron!
>OKAY. [swallows entire room with a canyon]

The Avatar can make islands, control volcanoes, and all kinds of insane shit. Is it possible to kill an Avatar? Yes, of course. Is it PROBABLE that Ed can kill Aang if they both going all-out? No.

Toppo wasnt holding back then. He is lucky Vegeta overpowered his Hakai

He earthbends while on his air scooter in the episode Tales of Ba Sing Se

Even more evidence the dude is a massive retard. True Form Darkseid wasn't even a thing when that Elseworld was written.

Did he even talk about Sword of Superman Superman from Elliot S Maggin's run or was that too obscure for his normie ass?

Thats dumb as hell, where's the proof. How is this elseworld Superman going to defeat true form darkseid when it took a Final Crisis level event just to take him down?

I fucking hate power level fags. They apply DBZ logic to characters outside of DBZ and make shitty arguments like "A can beat B, and B can beat C, so A can beat C" when most shit doesn't work like that.

Rules are rules, can't argue against the logic.
It doesn't change the fact that you can hold back power in any transformation/technique to prevent killing someone. And just because a few broke that rule, doesn't mean Goku would risk losing his universe when he always holds back and follows tournament rules, faggot.

There is none. See The youtuber was just being a giant retard.

NOWHERE did anyone say "HEY UI Goku can defeat Jiren if it werent for these goshdarn rules!!!!" If Goku held back at all Jiren would get the edge over him. But keep coping with your headcanon

They either do that or try and force differently designed cosmologies into a hierarchy. The vs battle wiki guys in particular.

Like just take DC for instance where the orrery has gone from infinite to one to 52 yo 52+ and all these different versions not only coincide in hypertime and the recent metaverse but occupy the same equivalent "space" beneath the sphere of the gods.

Trying to assign numerical power levels to different settings based on how many universes they have is asinine.

also, he did all the live action and cartoon supermen except for super friends which is the biggest disappointment ever considering he did fucking Goku from DB evolution.

Your headcanon is:
>Ultra instinct can't hold back power
>Full Power Jirin would beat UI if Goku held back
NOWHERE did anyone say that. Especially since I already proved Jirin was trying to kill him, and Goku still fought fair meaning he held back from btfo.

so he was holding back but UI still destroyed his body, would that mean he would run out instantly if he went all out

>Kuro
>Seth the Programmer
>Just a Robot
Thank you GOD that Death Battle promoted the researchers that actually know shit rather than hire these retards.

Imagine putting all that time and effort shilling yourself on youtube and vs battle communities talking about how you know more than Death Battle just to get passed over for the humble bloggers that actually know their shit.

Swan doesn't have a cringy cartoon avatar and a youtube channel.

"I'll put all my power into this one attack"
"DRAGON FIST"

And did you know the that move never fails to kill an opponent? Jirin would've been fucked sideways and above if he used his OHKO move in Ultra Instinct. But he didn't even spam lasers in that technique. Hmm, I wonder why?

No kills allowed

>UI cant hold back power
This is not headcanon. UI makes your body move on its own without input from your brain, so how the hell would Goku hold back?
>Jiren would beat UI if Goku somehow held back
Yes, because UI Goku and LB Jiren were going toe to toe and if UI Goku held back somehow, Jiren would knock him out while he wasted UI's power going easy on Jiren.

>Dragonfist
Non canon attack. Jesus you retard proving you dont know shit.

He used Dragon Fist against King Piccolo you moron. Read the manga and stfu.

>Instincts doesn't kill morals, Goku has a pure heart and knows Jirin isn't truly evil.
>Jirin seemed way too underpowered against UI. And UI isn't even full power, so no.

Dragonfist existed in two forms, one with the great ape, another with the dragon. Still pretty canon to me, ripping through your opponent entire body in one shot.

One of the biggest argument for Goku being stronger is that fight with beruus were they were shaking the universe while punching each other but that makes no sense if you consider pre crisis and postcrisis superman punching each other was breaking reality around them.

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That wasnt dragon fist you retard. That was an unnamed all out punch boosted by a Kamehameha. The attack had an image of an Oozaru, not a dragon. Stop being a dumbass.

The reach on this incel is incredible. An attack by any other name is just as powerful.

Have sex.

Goku only killed those guys with the oozaru punch and the non canon Dragon fist because they stood there thinking they could take it.
>Pure heart means holding back
UI Goku was going all out, his body doesnt fight on what his morals are like
>Jiren seemed underpowered
Not when he hit his limitbreaker. UI Goku had a slight advantage over him and was fighting on a time limit in his UI form.

>y-you incel!!! Have sex
What a non argument, nice to see you gave up with your retard arguments.

>UI Goku was going all out, his body doesnt fight on what his morals are like
Headcanon. And if he turns into a raging idiot, why did he freeze and taunt Jirin instead?

>Jirin...has limitbreaker.
Hahahahaha...no.

So what do hou think they're hyping up at RTX
They went with Gohan vs Superboy for the CDB for a reason

Only if they do Evolution Goku vs Ninja Theory Dante

"Penetrate!" was named in Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 3, where it is Kid Goku's Ultimate Blast. It is named Super Dragon Fist in Dragon Ball Z: Budokai 3.
t. Budokai fan

The Visitor is definitely strong as Prime. He was on his way to becoming Golden Superman, aka Superman Prime from DC 1 Million.

*you think

Shaggy VS Jughead in hamburger eating contest

Hamburgers specifically? I'd go Jughead.

KORRA *claps* ISN'T *claps* CANON!

If you go real nitpicky into technicalities and take early series inconsistencies as fact, Ed has shown he can transmute a functioning automail. Right in one of the first chapters he turns his entire arm into a large blade, instead of only the removable forearm plate like usual afterwards. He had to know how to turn his arm back.

>It can't be any other matchup
>It HAS to be Superman vs Goku 3
How disappointed will you be tomorrow--or is it Sunday that they have their panel?

Is Shaggy allowed to go Shaggy Blanco?

Okay so what else can it be with Superbly and Gohan as the CDB in mind?

Yeah hamburgers specifically. Not too familiar with how much Jughead can eat as Shaggy has eaten crazy amounts before

Pick a Superman related character or a Dragon Ball related character.

Come on man. This isn't hard.

It was mentioned that they would be breaking the universe but were using their power to stop that
Meaning they both have the power to break the universe, and to hold it together

No seriously how disappointed will you be?

I will eat a Goku plushie if they announce Goku vs Superman 3. SCREENCAP THIS.

I'd be relieved if it wasn't Goku vs Superman 3

Show me the plushie

What matches are viable?

Zod vs Frieza