Sonic's new comic has been out for a little over a year, and reception is divisive...

Insert Tommy Oliver into the comic.

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And IDW's sales have been bad for a while. It's a low bar. It's not failing or anything, but you're full of shit if you're acting like it's all sunshine and roses. People have some pretty damn good criticisms of the comic so far and it's not reaching its sales potential from a combination of factors. It's doing okay and has problems, and reactions to it range wildly, which is a fair circumstance for calling it "divisive."

You have to remember that a lot of /vg/ is people who don't actually read many comics and are big fans of Sonic. As long as it isn't awful they're going to like it.

I don't even like Power Rangers but I feel your pain.

>there's a online petition that begs for the return of most Archie characters, assigned by more than 3000 people
Pretty sure most of them are just Satam fags desperate to keep the Freedom Fighters relevant.
Hell, a few of those 3000 people are probably buying the book anyway and only signed it in a "well, why not" way.

>one or two guys going against the hivemind is "half the thread sucking its dick"
Most of the people in the thread are just fucking seething about IDW, you can count the post where they aren't on one hand

You're not wrong, but considering the sales of the book are ~12000 or so that's a fairly large chunk of people.

>and it's not reaching its sales
Nothing in the Sonic series is reaching its sales potential anymore. The franchise's taint has solidified.

Maybe it's just two people posting a lot. Listen, I don't look at that place much. Maybe I'm wrong, but either way there's people who like it and defend it passionately.

I mean maybe, but they could do a lot more with this. They got a lot of casuals in on #1 and failed to retain even a third of them. It's common in the industry, but Sonic's a big enough and popular enough brand that it can mitigate this substantially.

>It's common in the industry, but Sonic's a big enough and popular enough brand that it can mitigate this substantially.
Bullshit, if the average Marvel and DC hero can't retain their readers, what hope does Sonic have?
The idea that Sonic should be an exception to that rule is just as faulty as thinking a successful movie translates to big comic sales.

It's all sunshine and roses. They aren't going for Batman numbers. The sales are better than the Sonic comics have ever been.
>failed to maintain even a third
almost exactly half. Please learn math, early issues always have a sale boost, the comic has consistently done better than Archie comics

>Your objective is to keep the comic alive as long as possible, not to gain accolades or please fans.
>or please fans
Huh? Your product stays alive as long as you keep the consumers/fans happy.

>The sales are better than the Sonic comics have ever been.
Proofs?

Sonic #1 sold about a cumulative 30k copies. It was still selling into May and was also sold in box sets. Don't be sassy when you don't know what you're talking about.
There's a huge gap between ~12k and 200kish a month, user. I'm not saying it should be Batman. Don't jump the gun.

>Sonic's a big enough and popular enough brand that it can mitigate this substantially.
What kind of retard thinks actually believes this? Do you think tie in comics top sales charts?

Depends. Stuff like Novas was very pleasing to fans, but it got canned fast because it wasn't bringing in sales that were sustainable.
Sonic actually managed to stay alive through the crash and do well for itself even in a time when everyone hated the book and the quality was abysmal solely through brand recognition. Being an outside thing with crossover value and high reader turnover, it has the potential to mitigate the gradual fall off of sales better than most properties do.

>Mitigating sales falloff and keeping fairly healthy numbers = topping the charts.
Please, be reasonable. A strong 20k or even 30k is doable here. The Rick and Morty comic does better than Sonic does currently. This isn't an outrageous claim.

>i will now compare multiple months of sales to a single month of recent comics
Brainlet

Meanwhile, Kamen Rider Zi-O's normal moves are Kamen Rider finishing moves.

Sonic #15's been out since March. It didn't make enough sales to register on comichron since, and those numbers go as low as 200. That's a similar timeframe. It sold about 12k. Sonic #1 sold a little under 30k. I'm sure you'll pretend this is an unfair assumption, but if you factor in digital with similar trends it's 1/3. If you don't to be "fair", it's a bit under.

Point is that the comic easily could have stabilized a bit higher. It's not doing perfectly, it could be better. Calm down.

>OP says opinions are split and asks how anons would handle it.
>Multiple anons insist its beloved, sells well, everything is fine, don't look behind the curtain.
The calling card of a thriving, healthy fanbase for a successful comic.

No one is allowed to argue the hivemind or they're covering it up

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Eh, pacing is often subjective. I for one like the long slow reads like Kiaji because of how it emphasizes a situation and builds up s nice payoff. There is nothing worse than a rushed plot in my opinion.

Oh, we're at that place where the strong stance of "nothing is flawed, all is great" is "arguing against the hivemind." Gotcha. You're right, screw the hivemind, there is absolutely nothing to criticize. Consume product.
Shame like maybe two people are actually going to bother with the OP question.

But the build up isn't working right in this comic either. If they managed genuinely tense and interesting build up with good character interaction and so on, then yeah. But Ian doesn't, so I'd rather instead the plot be condensed for a faster pace

To be fair, it does feel like the same user making the same complaints every issue.

>Satam fags
You know, I'm really still in doubt about this term. Who are you exactly referring to with this term? Are you referring to only theses that watched the show, SaTAM, and praise it to be like the "true definition of Sonic"? Or does it mean something else? Sorry for asking such an obvious question.

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Maybe there's a reason people keep making the same complaints?

I'm inclined to believe this based on the past autistic behavior this fandom holds.

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The thing I like about the Sonic comics is how it doesn't reboot nearly as often as Marvel of DC. I don't need to keep track of all these new #1s that relaunch a hero or deal with a crappy event reset, minus the worlds collide of course.

The IDW run will pick up the pace eventually, I just don't want anymore reboots or U turns like how the Sonic games are treated.

When Ian first started on Archie he had over a hundred chapters of material to fix and work with, starting a new story from the ground up is gonna take some time. The first arc spent a lot of time establishing the characters and roles, now in this arc they are trying to condense things. I imagine the affects of this arc will carry over with many of the characters and as time progresses you'll get your multi layered Archie-like sonic again.

I'm not a fan at all of the current storyline. It's just robotization again but now it's zombifying metal, totally not the same thing.
Also the whole comic pretty much just feels like official Sonic Forces fanfiction and I don't like that at all.

Except ~60 of the first 70 issues of Archie Sonic were multiple short stories while most of 71-159 were one or two continuous plotlines that lasted a year or so before leading into the next one.

Guess which period was mostly ignored and retconned and which period Ian pulled most of his material from.

>When Ian first started on Archie he had over a hundred chapters of material to fix and work with, starting a new story from the ground up is gonna take some time
Have you tried reading comics
Or books
Or even watching a tv show

>The hardcore crowd delights in little nods and winks

Ian Flynn's writing in a nutshell.

lol references

A lot of modern TV serials go by the "it gets good in eight episodes" mantra, bad example.

i like it,i sure miss the archie comics though,if i could choose,i would rather have the archie comics than this ones,but this ones are ok

Fair enough, still leaves most of fiction that's ever existed. Stories don't need to spend 12 chapters "setting up", and if they do, they don't need to do it in a sluggish boring uninteresting way

Take the license away from IDW. Those bastard SJWs are little by little ruining the TMNT comic. So yeah save Sonic by keeping him out of SJW hands.

I don't disagree, I'm just saying that's become an in thing during our lifetimes. There's a time and place for a graphic novel sized slow burn introduction, and it's not in a licensed video game comic.

there's a buncha anti-Ian types on twitter/deviantart/youtube
but yeah Yea Forums's the only place really negative towards IDW that don't have a bone to pick with Ian

I don't have a bone to pick with Ian, but I do find his writing amateurish and dull.

Basically, people who champion SatAM as their favorite version of Sonic, purely out of nostalgia since many of them got into Sonic through the show rather than the games. They haven't been a significant group in decades though, they've been decreasing in size since the 90's.

At this point they seem to just want to have characters from SatAM live on in some form.

>At this point they seem to just want to have characters from SatAM live on in some form.

SatAMfag here. No. Please let the characters stay retired forever.

>claims to be a satamfag
>wants them retired
hmmmm

Nobody wants to see the characters you like altered, changed, and fucked up beyond recognition.

Nah, fuck that. Nobody was more overjoyed by the cancellation of Archie Sonic than I was.

Evil Tommy? I thought they were done with that shit already?

>larper saying what he believes a true satamfag would say

it's getting a miniseries, not an ongoing spinoff

Whatever. The characters are gone and I'm glad either way. The kiddies can have their DeviantArt-tier OCs and Sonic Adventure autism and be content with that.

Nah nigga. That shit's eternal.

Why is there hate towards IDW anyway? It can't just be because they're sjw, other publishers like Marvel are the same if not worse.

The horrible mishandling of just about every property they own. It was especially bad for GI Joe, but Transformers was at one point great, then around 2016 it started nosediving hard.

>Take one of cartoon culture's most beloved icons
>Shit on him unendingly to be "deep"

Gee, I wonder.

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That wasn't just IDW.

Eh, its alright. A means to an end, really.

>ruining the TMNT comic
I'm twenty issue behind, what happened?

Boco, you are way too old to be reading fucking Sonic the Hedgehog comics.

Oh, relax. TMNT and Ghostbusters are great.

They're never gonna get the rights to all of Sega's other IPs if Sonic doesn't sell, user.

It was just an answer to the question, just repeating what I've seen.

Far as IDW goes I don't give a shit about anything besides Transformers, though I have to force myself to follow the new comic because it's so painfully uninteresting.

Yeah, Transformers have been a really slow burn. Hopefully it'll pick up the pace when it goes monthly in September.

But Ghostbusters is still good, TMNT has been consistently alright with moments of great, ROM was wonderful...

They're never going to make Streets of Rage or Shinobi comics. Sega's other IP just aren't well known enough anymore.

Which is both a shame because they have so many wonderful IPs, and retarded on their part because they focus so much on Sonic and Yakuza alone.

Panzer Dragoon might get one for the remake this winter.

Yeah it is a shame, but Sega's been badly mismanaged as a company for literally decades now, so it isn't too surprising.

Jennika the literal Man-Woman uninteresting character who no one cared about was spared death and mutated into a Female Turtle. It was revealed via Twitter that that piece of shit Tranny Campbell, the man behind just about every terrible idea in the TMNT run, is the one suggesting this recent idea:

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There's your proof. So many hacks are destroying IDW TMNT little by little, it's not just the tranny freak show, but also the dumbass losers who come up with these bad ideas.

you're saying words but they aren't meaning anything
I lost track of IDW TMNT a while back but I had no real issues with Jennika

So you're okay with Eastman's idea that this HUMAN is now going to pretend to be part of the core turtle group? The point of the TMNT is they're animals who got mutated. This human has no business pretending to be one of the teenage mutant ninja turtles especially since she's not even a teenager either. She's a grown ass Man-Woman looking thing with a boring personality in a cast of so many extra characters who largely have no purpose like Nobody and Alopex.

Wow, you can see into the future and know for a fact that she'll become part of the core group? Thats incredible user.

What are the numbers for the next big lottery?

It's not the first time a human has mutated
>So you're okay with Eastman's idea that this HUMAN is now going to pretend to be part of the core turtle group?
Have they said that's where it was going?

Of course not. Jennika hasn't been so much as alluded to in any solicits up through September.

Not yet, but look at the words in the tweet. They said that Eastman and his other idiots have been planning for this to be a major deal. So no way this is just "Jennika mutates into Female Turtle and goes into the background" they have plans for something more.

Just having another turtle is a major deal. Doesn't mean she's gonna join. You're like those idiots who though Pepperoni was gonna be a new member based on a silly dream sequence.

Calm the fuck down.

Oh it's definitively going to happen. That hack who created Pepperoni is not going to just leave the animal as a feral, totally going to mutate. IDW TMNT has too many characters. The cast is bloated with many aimless characters.

It's concerning I'm sure, but for Amy I feel they merged only her with Sally's role from Archie so I won't chalk that one up to changing a gals personality to a textbook "strong female character". So far I feel they are doing a good job keeping that shit out of Sonic.

Whatever you say, Gloom and Doom.

I agree there are too many, but you're totally spazzing out

I haven't read archie sonic but after reading all of the idw stuff in one go, I found it a lot better than I was expecting bar some isssues with noticeably worse art than others and the too-quick ending with master overlord
I imagine it is pretty boring coming from archie though. It'll probably take a long time for gets to the level it used to be

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>I don't really like Sonic
>I like talking animals in general
>I hope the franchise to suceed and inspire more related stuff

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That's pretty much the jist of it, a lot of people think this can just go straight into a wild lived in world with a bunch of established plots similar to Marvel or DC but the joy of reading a consistent and easy to follow series needs to be worked up to that point.

The main problem was that Sonic got rebooted twice within the span of a few years, it sucks losing all that momentum so quickly.

I don't need a wild lived in world though, just an engaging one
I never read Marvel Adventures but I'm gonna bet if I go grab it, it doesn't take 12 issues to get started despite being a new continuity aimed at children

As a once active Marvel reader, I can claim that recent comics barely offer any thing for new readers. There is almost no decent starting point and comics go through major plots/ character arcs in four issues. Sonics pacing is miles better than a lot of the marvel comics have done.

No, no, I'm not saying Marvel comics, I mean specifically Marvel Adventures. The separate line of comics they made in the 2000s aimed at kids, which was its own self-contained continuity, kind of a light-hearted Ultimate line.

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user in comparison to other idw comics? It’s doing great. Not all comics, like a previous user said, need to pull Batman numbers- which it’s only middling to. Stop projecting anger and realize you’re saying the comic equalivent of “since Megaman isn’t doing as well as Call of Duty, it must be having bad sales!”

It doesn't matter, once my magnum opus The Lara-Su Chronicles comes out, everyone will be asking "ID Who?"

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Dude what? Everyone seems to stuck in their own personal argument, thinking everyone’s a hivemind isn’t ideal.

Uh huh. Whats the hold up this time?

If anything, it probably will be more entertaining.

Ken is very busy doing very important things, but Lara-Su will be worth the wait.

Also, shut up Boco.

The IDW comics aren't going to get better. They will never get better. They will have a main plot that will hang and slog for one year, and then do that again, and then rinse and repeat, on top of it being mostly a clear diluted, "plagiarized" version of Archie Sonic, written by a bad writer who is only good at cleaning up the material and lore left off by others, and not being Ken Penders. IDW Sonic has no point to read no matter for whatever kind of content you're looking for to appreciate and enjoy with.

I know that you said this already, but I guarantee you that if you read Archie Sonic, and go back at IDW Sonic, you will easily notice the difference in the quality and the engagement, in the writing, in the pace, in the characters, and others. I implore you to go read Archie Sonic, please, even if it has a large quantity of bad issues thanks to Ken Penders, or at least, the 50, 70 first ones only.

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>They will never get better.
If Ian's gone they will. And they've already shown more willingness to hire other writers than Archie did during Ian's tenure. I wouldn't assume he's as secure in the spot as you think.

I agree with this. Ian sucks and always has. His only strength is mining the source material for cheap, obscure references to make autistic brainlets feel special. The actual writing has always been terrible. It can only get better.

The only people who hate the new comic are the Archiefags who convinced themselves that the trainwreck that was Archie's Sonic was good with all its bullshit and supposed continuity. Archie showed they were incompetent as a company and that is saying a lot when you drop the ball harder than SEGA of all companies. Most of that stuff from the old comic wasn't really Sonic-esque, it was just animal characters featuring Sonic the Hedgehog.

I hate the new comic book and I hated the old comic book as well. Both are bad.

Ken is that you?

So then what’s your investment in all this?

Maybe you just hate Sonic.

Then what DO you like, eunuch?

It's like a sterile super basic version of the Archie comics.

Even when they recycle stuff from Archie, like roboticization, it's made far less scary and more lame.

The strong points have been the new characters.

What is it with autistic trips posting in Sonic threads?

Archie Sonic was a gag/parody at the beginning then SatAm's elements took over until Sonic Adventure was released.
It really sucked that Sonic Team never really gave the Echidnas a proper backstory until Adventure while readers had to rely on Penders' vomit

It's not their fault Penders sees a backstory going THEY'RE GONE AND MYSTERIOUS and immediately feels the need to put his fingers all over it and remove all mystery

It's because he had his TOTALLY EPIC AND ORIGINAL STORY AND CHARACTERS that he needed to tell because no comic company on the planet was willing to publish it.

I can tell that you're not here for anything except intentionally instigating flame war here, and I'm going to kindly ask you to fuck off.

How is Shad ow portrayed in this fanfic, that's all I care about.

A grump that never smiles and is ready to Chaos Spear a person in the head for the smallest of reasons.

Normal and well-adjusted fans LOVE the new IDW book and consider it a fresh of air and relief after the shit-show the Archie series started becoming.

On the flip side, Autistic weirdos hardcore Sonic fanstatics that have been long time fans HATE that everything from Archie is gone. All those years spent reading the books are all for naught.

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So ruined, never picking up then.

Bump

The only IP IDW's handled well is Godzilla. Prove me wrong.

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>People say "this shit is taking a lifetime to go anywhere."
>'Ah, clearly they mean it isn't as invested as a decade into Archie!'
Do people forget that most readers just jumped in at Ian's shit anyway and it would have been no different if he just made all that material up himself?

>It has to be "projected anger" to point out it could be doing better.
>It doesn't matter that IDW sales across the board honestly aren't in a good place right now, Sonic's doing better than most so nothing is substandard at all!
>ANYTHING above 10k is Batman numbers! There's Call of Duty and there's my indie game that sold 3 copies, nothing in between!
Can you fuck off with this rhetoric already?

there's actually a group of Archie diehards who, while they still prefer the old book to IDW, prefer IDW to the reboot because "at least their favorite characters aren't turned into a mockery of themselves"

>And they've already shown more willingness to hire other writers than Archie did during Ian's tenure
Archie actually had a bit of stuff during the reboot era written by non-flynn writers. Admittedly it was mostly backup stories and universe arcs, but still.
honestly I think IDW's going to go the IDW TMNT route of "a single main writer (in IDW TMNT's case, Tom Waltz, in IDW Sonic's case, Ian Flynn) heads the main book, while the side book stuff is mostly non-flynn writers".

Issue 17
>WE HAVE TO HELP THESE PEOPLE! NOT HURT THEM! THEY'RE OUR FRIENDS!
Issue 18
>WE HAVE TO HELP THESE PEOPLE! NOT HURT THEM! THEY'RE OUR FRIENDS!
There's too much repetitive build up and I'm almost certain that the climax is going to be rushed just like the Metal Sonic arc.

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