So, how was Eclipsa all things considered?

TAKE ME TO CHURCH!

Plot-twist: Star totally knows and is Eclipsa's loyal Cuckqueen.

Shitty unlikeable Mary Sue who derailed Star's character and that the show came to revolve around

I didn't expect her to be the villain, or at least I didn't around S2-ish, but that would've been better than what actually happened and a way to make the too-perfect tendencies actually amount to something: ex. she worms her way into Star and Moon's trust and then screws them both over. Which she kind of actually did in the show, but it was never really treated as such or portrayed as wrong.

A character doesn't need to be constrained by simple concepts like good or evil. They can merely be selfish or have different degrees or evilness and goals that go against what other characters want. They can simply be adversarial in nature and still be working for the good guys (like Sherlock).

I think that's what makes them more interesting.

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She got a perfect ass

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They leaned to heavily in on the monsters being stand-ins for racism. I think it all goes back to mewni-pendance day. Had they not done that episode, Eclipsa could have been as evil as they were painting her out to be.
The show was too much, all at once, for a first time showrunner.

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Personally I would have given her her own elaborate agenda, but because we don't know what that agenda is, it's not clear where she stands.

Bonus if she has a clear "inner circle" of associates, all of them similarly questionable.

>"Star, we don't all have the luxury of picking and choosing our friends. I took the allies I could get."

Yeah I think that's where they jumped the slippery slope with Eclipsa. After that decision they either had to find an argument to make it okay for Mewmans to be racist, or keep pandering towards tumblrinas and swj faggots to make Eclipsa look right all the time.

They should have just stuck to the script with Star continuing to believe in the goodness of monsters even with Eclipsa and her husband and daughter all being evil assholes

Instead they made her 1 step away from a mary sue, the only reason she wasn't totally one was that the average peasant still disliked her (but somehow that might make it worse, since it feeds into the "they just racist against these creatures who keep trying to kill them" which is a retarded lesson since the point of teaching against racism is the idea that racial animosity is unjustified and the monsters were often and frequently a threat).

Would have made a better misguided villain. I really, really wanted a Star vs Eclipsa fight.

Honestly I thought she was the best part of S3 and S4. Star and Marco's story devolved into mostly shipping drama after Battle for Mewni so I ended up investing most of my interest in the story in her and Meteora. Also she's pretty solid waifu material.

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>One of Eclipsa's allies acts out just enough to create a point of conflict between Star and Eclipsa
>Fight ensues
>Eclipsa finally concedes her ally went too far

Seriously, if Eclipsa had troublesome friends (loyal to her and less than agreeable with everyone else), they could have easily gotten some drama out of that.

I hate how they put more focus on the fact she married a monster than that she uses dark magic. They made dark magic seem like a pretty big deal in Season 2 with Star's wand being half dark-magic, Ludo's wand using dark magic, and Toffee corrupting the magic realm, then they introduce the literal Queen of Darkness, and they just brush off her use of dark magic as her being quirky.

Could Toffee have allied himself with Eclipsa even if only for the short term? Kind of like Xanatos and Demona?

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At the very least, given us some dark magic vs dark magic fights.

It's possible. I definitely think Eclipsa should have had a pack of associates who were constant trouble (Eclipsa protecting them out of loyalty).

Showrunner ran out of ideas/lost control so the sub-staffers hijacked the show....to recite their orthodox political beliefs.

Pathetic.

>Eclipsa constantly shifts alliances to achieve mystery goal
>Has very questionable friends
>Star is never sure what to make of her
>Eclipsa fights almost everyone at one point or another

You had one job showrunners.

Having her cuck Star would do the opposite effect because cuckqueans love to see other women fuck their dudes.

The worst part is that the spellbook even retroactively claims that her title of "Queen of Darkness" only comes from Globgor's title being the "Prince of Darkness" and so it's literally just akin to a wife taking her husband's last name. It's retarded.

also why even does Globgor have that title anyway. It's not like he uses dark magic either

I actually think Eclipsa needs more credit for the nuance in her writing. Even though by the end she's pretty clearly "the good guy" she is far from a Mary Sue. Under her rule many Mewmans are displaced by her poorly thought out new laws, she misses important meetings with other royals while also covering her castle in art that deeply offends them, and on multiple occasions finds herself on the verge of releasing Globgor despite how it would anger the people, other kingdoms, and the MHC. She's impulsive, probably even more so than Star so she needs people to rein her in so that she doesn't do something stupid.
If Moon was the status quo leader who knew how to make things run smoothly Eclipsa was the leader who tries to bring extreme change for better and worse.

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Well then netorare her. Though that term will probably get you banned back to Yea Forums

But that's why Eclipsa likes Star. Star is the perfect Cuckqueen for her.

The mewmans deserved it because they're ignorants hillbillies that would vote for Drumpf if they have the chance and missing important meeting and out-of-place art make Eclipsa "lol-so-quirky" and OMG totally me XD

I would have loved to see Star's reaction when she finds "high counselor" Toffee sitting next to Eclipsa in the royal chamber.

That's just an authoritarian fantasy of the woke dictator punishing the "shitty people" with impunity.

Then why was such a big deal made about that homeless family and their suffering? I wish they had delved more into it and made Eclipsa have to come to grips with her failures as queen more often, but I don't feel she was a Mary Sue.

I wanted a slightly more evil Eclipsa. Like maybe 10% more evil.

>but I don't feel she was a Mary Sue.
Like you said, it's the writers refusing to shine a light on a flaws because of the message they're trying to get across.
It doesn't quite work, because it doesn't line up with what has previously been established about the world.

>A waste of perfectly good moral ambiguity?
Pretty much. Her amorality came up occasionally but was never resolved satisfactorily. We never got a chance to see that amorality come to a head, and we never got to see her transcend it. It got swept under the rug because it turned out the other characters are even more evil, and her flighty selfishness is somehow justified because it's not as bad as genocide or being an accomplice to genocide.

Pointless addition.

It didn't help they gave her relatively straightforward goals: get back to her lover, etc.

Why do so many modern shows shit the bed?

A civil war between Mewmans led by Moon and River against Monsters led by Eclipsa and Globgor would have fit. Have Moon and Eclipsa battle with Eclipsa killing Moon. Star is trying to stop the fighting but takes on Eclipsa once Moon falls.

SJW politics being more important than a compelling story with a satisfying conclusion.

A simple misunderstanding would be enough to get Eclipsa and Star to fight each other for a good while.

Much as both of them want to stop the fighting, it takes on a life of its own and lasts an entire season. It becomes a political crisis, with Eclipsa and Star alternately engaging blows while covertly trying to stop the fighting.

I'm not saying they didn't at all show the negative aspects of her reign, just that I wish they got to delve into it more. In a better world Coronation would have been the season finale and the next season would have dealt with Mina, but instead things were rushed because of the cancellation.

>Star: "Can't we stop this?"

>Eclipsa: "It's not that simple! We've been cast in the leadership roles of the two warring factions. We can't just declare a ceasefire when one one wants one, we'll just be replaced by people worse. So in public, I must fight you."

This. Comics have been getting shitty too because now they're a place for sjw faggots and pseudophilosophical writers to show off their political views and showcase how smart they are exposing their intro to philosophy ideas.

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Meh. I prefer when mutually ambiguous characters square off with each other, for reasons that make sense.

Stories should be driven by character.

>show off their political views
No, that's not it. They crave praise and attention for being virtuous rather than creative. Artists used to push the boundaries, not enforce those boundaries. They all want to be Harry Potter battling the Dark Lord.

>They crave praise and attention for being virtuous rather than creative.
That too. They're attention whores craving the spotlight by driving the hate wave and the controversy. They're what is ruining comics and cartoons in general.

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Boring.

Give me a bunch of selfish, but compelling, people trying to outwit each other.

This slut does things to my dick, even though I bet her pussy is so loose she can't feel anything anymore.

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She can only feel size-shifter dong now. Mewman boys (and their magicless earth cousins) can't compete.

More like prolapsed

Wish I had a dick like that

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I remember based sr. amoniaco

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>Star: "Can't we stop this?"
>Eclipsa: "It's not that simple! We've been cast in the leadership roles of the two warring factions. We can't just declare a ceasefire when one one wants one, we'll just be replaced by people worse. So in public, I must fight you."
>And in private?
>In private dear...I will fuck all your problems away. Now take off your clothes and bend over!

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That seems like an odd thing in a matriarchal society

How good do you think she is in bed? Is she kinky?

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>unnecessary separation to establish a new love triangle
>Kelly literally becomes more relevant just for shipping with Marco
>Tom goes from an angry dude to a rehabilitated person thanks to Marco, then becomes a fucking doormat thanks to Star (doesn't even mind the fact that she kissed with Marco)
>Marco IQ got reduced since he went to Mewni
>after more than one season of squire bullshit, he thrown all of it in the trash when he finally became a knight, even more because Star is no longer royal so all the suffering was worthless
>Star just barely suffered from all this shipping bullshit somehow
>Jackie? oh she lesbo
>Remember blood moon ball? WELL FUCK YOU, WE ARE GOING TO IMPLY THAT THE MOON WAS MANIPULATING STAR AND MARCO
>yeah, Star and Marco are gonna get together, for the very end
>yeah the other ships had more longevity, even Kellco despise being killed offscreen had more screentime than Starco

Did anyone enjoyed the shipping from s3 & s4 that was filled with bullshit?

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I only watched for Eclipsa. I fapped until my dick got sore on all her scenes. Bitch is fucking sexy

Probably up for anything. Funny enough, Globgor is probably the prudish one.

She is my wife and she is perfect and wonderful and I still love her. I want her to do horrible, horrible, sexual things to me. She was the most fun, likable, enjoyable character on the show and the best thing about season 3 and 4. I really love her bros. Show has flaws but I will always love my girl. Plus that voice is GGGGGGRRRRRREEEEEEEAAAAAAATTTTT
I even bought a print of that poster from the Blood Moon Ball.
She deserved a better Butterfly form though.

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Sorry she only fucks shapeshifting monster cocks

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I really liked her accent and personality. Her also being a degenerate into sleeping with monsters was also pretty cool.

Eclipsa was clearly in charge of Star.

Insists on perfection. Very imaginative.

she would have been far more interesting as a villain