And in a related question, why do they hate kino?
Why does Marvel hate him?
Robert James
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Benjamin James
It's less hating and more like indifference, and the only reason they are tentatively using him now is because of MCU rumors. Also his comics, aside from the Annihilation and DnA era, had never sold good. His fans (and Sam's for that matter) didn't even show up for Loveness and Perez' comic and honestly the way he was being shat on and the state of Alonso's Marvel comics I can understand why. But that sent a clear message to Marvel that fans won't support him.
But if he ever gets a movie confirmation you'll get every writer in Marvel Comics harping on and on about how they always found him interesting and how he's the best. Similar to how Quesada did with once the GotG movie was announced and they gues-starred in EMH when we know from DnA that Quesada never liked cosmic (and that's where the Jack Flag "I hate cosmic" running joke was born) and it's why he left Annihilation and what came afterwards alone.
Well until Feige decided to do a movie about GotG and DnA got kicked out from the comic (but allowed to finish with Imperative) in favor of bringing Bendis in (who really didn't want to write GotG but ended up doing it halfheartedly because he liked Claremont's Star-Lord).
Jason Roberts
Thanks for the reply, I fucking love Nova. He's Spiderman with actual character development. He goes from generic quippy street level guy to God level cosmic deity and it actually transitions well. Him and starlords sacrifice is kino as well, although Imperative is definitely a the weakest of the DnA books.
Carter Myers
Nova was a shitty character and had always been. It was DnA the Warhammer cosmic war veterans that created a great saga with the material. When hollywood touched the saga they were dead forever and thrown into the hellpit of Satan-Bendis and whoever wrote that nova teeny run for children.
Aiden Torres
Annihilation and DnA Nova stuff is definitely him at his most interesting but if you go and read his stuff from the beginning to New Warriors and Annihilation and onwards he definitely does grow and he changes throughout those comics. He starts off as a timid nerdy insecure kid who gets the snot beaten out of him regularly because Rich's self-esteem is low (something he struggles with throughout all of his life) and his father is the school's principal and he will give Rich hell for getting into a fight. He won't even say a bad word because he knows his dad hates it. But getting powers becomes the best thing that has ever happened to him and we even see Rich gain a bit more confidence and start standing up for himself after becoming Nova.
Later in New Warriors and vol.2 after the end of Nova vol.1 and him being in a space war for a year he comes back to a life without powers and with all of his friends having graduated. He's a high school dropout with no future life prospects, he's stuck in dead ends jobs and is depressed. He's jaded, develops an attitude, cusses a lot, his dad makes him go to a gym and encourages him to pick up weight lifting because he thinks it will cure Rich's low self esteem problems (something he struggled with in the first comic). Then when he has his powers again he is happy but also is a bit of a jock and masks all of his insecurities behind a false bravado and a "bad boy" attitude.
He also puts a lot of his self-worth in his powers and being Nova, the other times he loses them he's pretty reckless and even suicidal (pic related and also when Worldmind took his powers and he was dying he was resigned to dying and avoiding the subject with Wendell).
His older comics are not needed for Annihilation and DnA but definitely give a solid foundation and a bit of context on Rich as a person and how much he has grown. But yes he is a character that has developed a lot.
Jacob Smith
>Imperative is definitely a the weakest of the DnA books.
Hit my character limit in the other post, but I yeah TI was pretty weak even if I liked it, I agree. I wonder if it had anything to do with the fact that DnA's GotG run was cancelled and Rosemann had to convince Quesada to let DnA finish their story.
The worst thing is that for the longest I thought they were cancelled for low sales but Abnett came out and said on a youtube interview that Kevin Feige was already planning to do the GotG movie and both him and Andy were told about that when they were still writing the GotG comic. He also said they were cancelled because Editorial wanted to relaunch GotG with a popular writer (who later turned out to be Bendis) and Rosemann had to go and convince Quesada to let them finish their story and that's how GotG and Nova were cancelled when Thanos Imperative happened. Then Annihilators were given to DnA as a consolation comic but we know how well that comic went....
This is the interview in question but I am too lazy to look for a time stamp (Abnett talks about it towards the end though)
>youtube.com
The other thing is that Rich and Star-Lord didn't need to die but that was DnA's original plan and they even had more stories planned that explored where Rich and Peter after Imperative (explained in the link I provided). But if Rich hadn't died he probably would have been able to keep his comic under DnA if not he would have been appearing in Brubaker's Secret Avengers (since Brubaker only added him because he liked the character) or we would probably have gotten a Brubaker Nova run. Sam Alexander would probably not have existed or been Nova since the only reason Loeb made him Nova was because he saw that Rich was dead and that his spot was available.
Loeb talks about it here
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Brandon Foster
I always thought it was low sales too. So the movies got greenlighted thanks to the creations of DnA and then Marvel fucks them by giving the titles to a "popular" writer? The ones in charge of that must be the most evil and stupid editors in the world.
Joshua Barnes
Buckley brought Bendis in despite Bendis resisting because he had no interest in Guardians until Buckley insisted and he read Claremont's Star-Lord and liked it enough that he eventually gave in. But the sign that Bendis wasn't into it should have been a warning sign.
Then it became an opportunity for them to revamp a franchise and since they had a say in the movie stuff (the Creative Comitte had access to the GotG scripts and got a say in editing them and Bendis was part of that group) and most of the comic people want to break into movies they saw it as an opportunity to leave their mark. Even the GotG artist at the time, Steve McNiven, was going on about how he was involved in designing the MCU Guardians outfits (the same guy who also criticized the DnA Guardians outfits and said Star-Lord's mask wasn't interesting because he could not emote while wearing it)
Most of that ended when Gunn came in and pushed back against them and took the reigns, and he even had a hard time with them since they fucked with his script to the point it affected Ronan as a character and they also wanted Gunn to eliminate the 70's music from his film (which would have been a huge mistake).
Bendis' GotG run sold really well but with movie hype and variants of course it did. It sold well for a long time until even the Bendisfags eventually realized it was going nowhere and Bendis made it obvious that he didn't know WTF to do with these characters and was focusing more on Kitty and Ben Grimm than the actual Guardians. GotG vol. 2 hype wasn't helping and Gunn didn't have anything positive to say about his run and at that point it started spiraling downwards and Bendis jumped ship.
Isaiah White
Fuck Bendis fuck Mcniven and Buckley fuck them all to hell
Angel Collins
>DnA
So I loved his run in Annihilation, but I don't know what DnA stands for, and any number of google searches are returning fruitless. If it's as good as his Annihilation-lead-in limited series, or that run where he came back to earth and laughed at Stark for wanting him to register, then I'd love to read it.
Carson James
Always wondered that myself
David Ross
DnA stands for Dan Abnett and Andy Lanning tje guys who wrote the Nova and GotG comics and Thanos Imperative among other stuff. They got that nane since the collaborated together in a lot of stuff.
They had a falling out and aren't currently in speaking terms though.
Hunter Kelly
It was low sales. That’s the entire reason they wanted to relaunch it with a different writer. You can look it up on Comichron. Sales for DnA’s books had become abysmal.
Christian Long
From a purely monetary sense, it stands to reason Marvel would want to put Bendis in the book, since it didn't sell well at all back in the day (and that was before the roster dilution we we these days with so many titles getting published), the same reason why they put Cates in the GOTG now even though his writing is mediocre to eat the least: dude has a lot of fans, many of them loyal enough to forgive all his flaws and even fall silent when they see them in the open. The thing is, current GOTG isn't really selling any better than Duggan's GOTG, which already had more or less the same sales as Bendis' run.
By now I think they finally accepted these cosmic properties don't sell that well since they've allowed Cates to basically railroad the entire side of the franchise into try another Venom/Carnage adjacent series, and even minis like Silver Surfer are focused on the shitty story Cates wants to tell. Still I'm hoping Marvel realizes they don't have to put a big name on the book, but a writer who actually CAN do fun, unique and interesting stuff with it... Too bad they probably won't, since Jason Aaron looks like might be the forerunner to take after Cates in GOTG.
Dominic Taylor
>The thing is, current GOTG isn't really selling any better than Duggan's GOTG, which already had more or less the same sales as Bendis' run.
Forgot to source this, but if you want proof, look at the numbers from the current run:
>Guardians of the Galaxy #1 104,916
>Guardians of the Galaxy #2 43,662
>Guardians of the Galaxy #3 41,949
>Guardians of the Galaxy #4 41,651
>Guardians of the Galaxy #5 44,919
At no point it breaks 50K aside from the #1, while Bendis' run, as shitty as it is, stayed always above 50K, and while uneven, the tail end of Duggan's run sold well above 50K.
Pic mildly related to the thread BTW, since we're talking about Rich, this is how Cates had him act throughout the whole first arc.
Thomas Peterson
Another "heroic" Rich moment in the latest GOTG issue, where we see him use a plasma rifle after Cates forgot he has energy projection and gravimetric blasts.
Chase Bell
There's still hope, user.
Dominic Rivera
I disliked everything Cates did with him too, but at least Rich bounced after the first arc of that book.
I'm hoping whatever Ewing said he was planning with Rich gets announced at ComicCon this year
Noah Anderson
I'm waiting to see the June 2019 sales report to confirm that the Annual likely outsold the main title. Hopefully that'll give Marvel a sign that they should go ahead with Ewing's ideas instead of Cates after the latter is finished with the upcoming "Death of Rocket" arc that also predictably involves the Universal Church of Truth and Knull.
Angel Harris
Before the MCU, the editors and writing staff largely looked down on Marvel Cosmic. As Dan Abnett put it, cosmic stuff was the broken toys at the bottom of the toy box. As a result, the people who wrote during that time got to do what they wanted with minimal executive meddling. This meant that they largely sidestepped having to deal with tie-ins to Earth, allowing them to create more or less coherent stories and small independent events. Readers who were pissed off by Marvel's hero vs hero bullshit found Marvel Cosmic was a comfortable alternative to Earth/New York set comics. When the GotG movie came out, the higher ups took notice. Writers who had no business writing cosmic started dumping their OCs on readers, fucking up continuity, shitting on old characters and even shitting on DnA. Instead of space adventures, writers would make excuses to drag cosmic to Earth so they could tie into shitty editorially mandated line wide events.
Bentley Ortiz
I'm hoping too, but I need more than just rumors before actually getting my hopes up
Xavier Thomas
Don't forget having rich use a gun because his powers start and end at flying
Isaiah Jenkins
Since when does anyone in that page hate Dick Rider?
Easton King
I recall Nova not dropping below 21k towards the end but I don't remember how GotG did. Abnett himself said it was because they were planning to replace them anyway because of the upcoming movie.
Hudson Reed
Haha yeah, I sorta covered it in here , but what the hell, let's post another embarrassing panel from the issue.
>I don't remember how GotG did
Check the graph . The sales were indeed poor, sorta like the current run if not lower.
Josiah Edwards
Did any of the Cosmic books even sell that well back in the day? They all were in the 20k to 40k range. Not a lot of people gave much of a fuck about them.
Easton White
Him being in the MCu could also be the thing that may make Rich a mainstay in comics but also it might kill his character in a similar way that it did Star-Lord. Not to mention a writer who never gave a shit about him before would see his movie and would probably try to "reinvent" him the same way they did with GotG.
I do hope Adam Mckay is involved if they are planning to do a movie with him.
Jack Cooper
>Did any of the Cosmic books even sell that well back in the day?
Yeah, Bendis' run consistently had sales above 50K. The graph doesn't count the Starlin stuff nor assorted miniseries, but those typically don't break 20-30K given their short-lived nature, so it's not really representative.
Connor Gray
I read New Warriors and I thought it was good. Rich comes off as a rebel without a cause and a jock in the beginning but like you said the more you read the comic the more you see why he acts that way and how it's an act
Jayden Edwards
Yeah Bendis sold because of movie hype and partially because it was Bendis (but not like that matters much when he writes at his worst, see Moon Knight and once the Guardians hype went down and how he started running out of ideas) but mostly because people were hyped about the Guardian's upcoming movie and once it got out his sales went really up.
I meant everything before that especially everything between annihilation and imperative that stuff consistantly didn't sell that well at all and they turned a blind eye to it until they knew a GotG movie was happening.
Starlin had sold well during the 80's with Silver Surfer which lead to IG but other than that...
Cooper Jones
Gunn seemed more interested in turning the GotG into some kind of OC's using their names, so that accounts for shit like Quill's 180 after Thanos Imperative.
I don't think the guys lobbying for Rich want to do that with him, and I think they'd shoot much closer for the DnA characterization.
Ryan Watson
It was either what Gunn did or them doing a script based on what Bendis did based on his GotG stuff since the Creative Comittee was involved with writing GotG. They weren't going to adapt straight to DnA or Giffen Star-Lord since even Perlman said they weren't interested in their version of Star-Lord.
Apparently Feige reads a lot of the comics before adapting them and he doesn't have Ike or Sony to mess with him so he can do a better adaptation of Nova because the material is there to do something interesting with Rich especially with him being a character that doesn't value himself and has always something to prove while also measuring up to his own impossible standards. It would constrast with Carol who already knows her value and is confident to a fault sometimes.
Ian Baker
Kallark might since they have animosity agaunst each other all the way back to his older comics and the Shiar were possibly involved im some shady stuff that happened on Xandar in New Warriors that might have not had a resolution.
Josiah Murphy
Do you guys think that if Rich makes it into the MCU we'll get a New Warriors movie?
Jayden Baker
>lesbian character doing the flirty dialogue with the male team mates
Jayden Turner
Well the Freeform show ain't happening anytime soon (thank God) but the fact that they even wanted to do the show probably means Marvel Studios wasn't that interested in the property.
I think if anything Nova and Darkhawk would be the characters Marvel Studios would take for cosmic purposes. Maybe even Vance since a version of him is connected to the Guardians and Gunn said the Ravagers were going to be important to the future of MCU cosmic. Firestar is probably in X-Men hell like in the comics and Nita is stuck with Namor rights. Speedball and Night Thrasher probably aren't priority along with the other Warriors and those guys were going to be in the Freeform show.
If the MCU could somehow make the team go cosmic it would be interesting (I think only Night Thrasher would be out of place but if they can make a surfer work in space....) but I honestly doubt it, even for superhero teens I am sure Feige would rather fonto Young Avengers (even if the Warriors are the most interesting teen group that Marvel Comics had outside of the X-Men teens groups).
Adrian Cruz
Between this and Black Bolt I'm not sure if Cates is bad at continuity or removed their powers for the sake of his plot. How can a supposed huge D&A fan, who is can remember Wraith's obscure ass not know about Nova and Black Bolt's powers?
Brandon Campbell
I think that was more of an artist error than Cates. I sincerely doubt Cates meant for Rich to do anything more with him than have him job to his edgy team. I think Rich had maybe 5 lines of dialogue across all the issues he was in
Asher Phillips
It's all trash, because all she did was blast Proxima away. Big deal.
In all fairness he only remembered Wraith because he can use it for his Knull shit, not because he knows anything about all these other characters or has read beyond a few things here and there. Couple that with his editor, who's constantly weirded out and mystified by people talking about Quasar and Darkhawk, you can tell these guys don't really know what they're doing despite calling themselves "big fans".
>I think that was more of an artist error than Cates.
I don't understand why people keep excusing Cates for the things Shaw draws, as if Cates didn't get to see the art after sending the script. The same thing happened when Shaw draw the Living Tribunal among the pile of dead heroes in "Thanos Wins", people were like "oh that's probably an artist's error", or when Knull killed Eson The Searcher in Venom. C'mon.
Luke Morgan
People have been pointing out the dumbassery of Rich having a gun and some Catesfags have been bringing up pic related. Of course they don't lnow Rich really didn't shoot energy beams back then unless he was immediately absorbing something and was weaker than he is now so it made sense. Also it was the 90's.
Jose Morgan
Not just that, but before (The Black Order) and after (GOTG Annual #1) that issue, Rich was shooting energy beams without problems. So why did he have to use a plasma rifle?
Bentley Nelson
Is his Editor Jordan White? That guy knows shit about cosmic but I wouldn't be surprised if they just brought in a random hipster to edit. He should fucking read about those characters if he wants to know what the fuss is about.
Honestly think Ewing and Tini are probably the only writers at Marvel that have a passion for Cosmic stuff (Tini at the least is a Starlinfag and Dead's Headfag)
Juan Anderson
>Is his Editor Jordan White?
No, some guy called Darren Shan. White edited "Thanos Wins" so that's why they let him get away with all the bullshit of that arc, but I have no fucking clue where this other dude came from.
They're all about Wraith and Cosmic Ghost Rider, given the way he confidently talks about them in the letters page.
Gabriel James
Fuck Nova, push Darkhawk
Matthew Clark
I keep saying, put Bowers & Sims back in Darkhawk at least for another mini, and hell, bring back Gang Hyuk Lim also, instead of putting literal-who's doing backup stories with him.
Isaiah Miller
Is Darkhawk they new c-list people are obsess with now? I read his stuff but I didn't find it that interesting. Still more interesting than the Fraternity retcon stuff though.
Jonathan Kelly
I would duck Nova (dat ass) and push Darkhawk all day long, unf.
Leo Allen
How did the mini do? The Shogun said that depending how well it did he could even have a full series but judging by the fact that he was given to Cates I guess it didn't do well....
Ian Garcia
>duck
Shit, I hit the d instead of the f, not trying to censor fuck or anything.
Ayden Price
The only thing I vaguely remember from Darkhawk's old run was Tony Stark whomping his ass for a while before leaving when he found out it had nothing to do with his tech.
Jace Wood
Here's his most recent solo numbers:
>Darkhawk #51 (2017) 17,041
This is the one-shot that sparked interest in the character again, and which eventually led to the miniseries...
>Infinity Countdown Darkhawk #1 24,097
>Infinity Countdown Darkhawk #2 20,019
>Infinity Countdown Darkhawk #3 16,506
>Infinity Countdown Darkhawk #4 16,518
So very middling to low, all things considered. And the actual trade, collecting all the above mentioned issues:
>Infinity Countdown Darkhawk 1,032
Cates actually hasn't used him that much beyond sticking him in the UCT arc he's doing, so here's hoping he also fucks off once that's done.
Jose Roberts
America Chavez and other shit characters fucking drop lower than this and they still get pushed, it's annoying.
Jack Wood
What's not to get?
>Cool look
>Cool powers
>Works as both a street level or cosmic level hero
Mason Foster
I thought #51 was good but I really didn't care much for the IC: Darkhawk mini much less the stupid drama that caused between Nova and Darkhawk with Talonar. It would have even been more interesting if the writers focused on the fact that Powell and Rob were friends during their time in Project Pegasus and if Robbie's betrayal was more personal to Chris, and Rich wouldn't have been in this at all.
The Dark Starhawk thing could have been interesting too but it amounted to nothing.
Blake Reed
Not so much street level anymore.
Elijah Jackson
If that's everything you like about Darkhawk then it doesn't make him a good character or maybe you're easy to please. Fortunately Powell has more than that to offer.
Carter Williams
Last I heard, America was stuck in a team book which also got cancelled, so I wouldn't blame her or other characters over this. The truth is that these are niche characters, like said, nobody showed up for Loveness' Nova, barely anyone showed up for the Darkhawk miniseries (let's be frank, 16K for a #4 is not a good number), and let's not even talk about how low Infinity Wars: Sleepwalker sold, despite being a cool character too.
>The Dark Starhawk thing could have been interesting too but it amounted to nothing.
That's because no one has picked up on that plot so far. Duggan followed the Fraternity of Raptors story with Talonar in Wolverine: Infinity Watch, but he was only given 5 issues so he focused on a single sentient Infinity Stone (Time), while the other 6 didn't even get a mention. I assume having Cates handle "all cosmic" puts all these cooler ideas in the freezer until he's done with his Knull shit.
Joseph Flores
I never said he was a good character, I merely pointed out there's plenty to work with
Dylan Cooper
They're pushing him as cosmic now but his stuff with DnA wasn't enough to convince writers to make him cosmic for a long ass time judging by the bullshit they pulled with him with the Arcade killfest and making Chase Darkhawk for awhile.
Ayden Allen
Other writers don't really need to follow ideas to justify a story, they should have planned for a five issue mini then. The resolution for Dark Starhawk was shitty regardless. If they didn't have time for it they should have done another thing or waste less time with getting Chris to Earth too.
Liam Young
Also, Cosmic Ghost Rider WAS heavily pushed, even got two recent miniseries (his first solo, and the comedic one) and 20 (!) variant covers across the entire line, and all he did back then was have a few appearances in Thanos Wins. So if anything, blame Cates and Marvel for going ham with an amalgam character whose only virtue is "looking cool".
America Chavez never had this amount of pushing beyond that solo series.
Xavier Morgan
The funny thing about CGR is that even Catefags hate his new mini. Goes to show CGR's only appeal is to Catesfags and only when Cates writes him. Once Cates leaves no one will give a shit about him.
And yeah I been noticing an Amalgam trend lately not just this but the stuff with Infinity Warps, Dormammu Galactus, and I would count the everyone is X character except that shit has been going on for awhile.
Noah Davis
People like Amalgam stuff, that's all fine because if done creatively, it can work (look at what Ewing is doing for example). My particular problem with it is that a SINGLE character doesn't deserve all the focus. Not sure why he's selling so well either but I rule it out to pure absurd hype.
I mean look at this, from the current mini:
>Cosmic Ghost Rider Destroys Marvel History #3 30,753
It's baffling to me, the writing isn't even good. What puts a character like this above Nova, Quasar or Darkhawk?
Blake Butler
I'm trying to figure it out myself. Nova not being able to sustain a book right now is a pretty easy explanation, but I still have no clue how CGR is pulling those kinds of numbers
Christopher Bell
How does it compare to the other past kills/vs comics?
Jaxon Mitchell
Not too well. Comparing it to the last "kills" series (Deadpool Kills The Marvel Universe Again) from 2017, there's an obvious downgrade:
>Deadpool Kills Marvel Universe Again #1 74,006
>Deadpool Kills Marvel Universe Again #2 42,326
>Deadpool Kills Marvel Universe Again #3 38,692
>Deadpool Kills Marvel Universe Again #4 36,425
>Deadpool Kills Marvel Universe Again #5 34,232
Not to mention the trade for the previous "Deadpool Kills Marvel Universe" was selling well during the two or three months this miniseries ran. Compare this to:
>Cosmic Ghost Rider Destroys Marvel History #1 54,252
>Cosmic Ghost Rider Destroys Marvel History #2 32,639
>Cosmic Ghost Rider Destroys Marvel History #3 30,753
I'm not counting the reorders here, but they were still low compared to the previous miniseries.
David Price
Post his ass in that gif pls
Isaac Mitchell
I don't have that gif, but I have this.
Jeremiah Martin
Hunter Lee
Writer's pet and he's been overhyped, but his issues will probably dwindled seeing hiw Catefags are angry at this from what I am hearing.
Alexander Reed
We had America's Ass now we need Galaxy Glutes.
Jonathan Walker
Did you see his funko? It's dummy thicc and it has a big ass it was hilarious how detailed it is.
If he makes it to the MCU I hope he has a big ass and a tight uniform.
Lincoln Garcia
He really is packing in this game, so is Carol.
They did a shit job on Cap and Spidey though.
Wyatt Green
>MCU Rich seduces 2014 Gamora with his galactic glutes
Elijah Morales
>Woman wants to fuck him
>Rich: Lol no way fag
What a chad
Andrew Turner
El bumpo
Leo Cooper
Because nobody read the Loveness/Perez Nova Bros run.
I miss them, guys.
Luke Smith
True and it gets me how months after it was cancelled you got a bunch of people praising it and going "How come I missed this?!" but the blame sorely lies on the Novafags that didn't pick it up. Marvel wasn't going to give it extra support.
Anthony Garcia
I liked the part where Sam imagined Thanos asking his mom out
Isaiah Martin
I kinda wanted to make a facetious collage with that three-panel sequence and this , something like "NOVAS THEN / NOVAS NOW", but that would be salting the wound, wouldn't it?
Loved that one. Also this.
Carter Cruz
It wasn't his mom, but close enough.
My favourite part is including Sauron and Mole Man along with Ultron and Thanos.
Dominic Green
I still remember how anons were already figuring it out Talonar was Robbie just by the Denarian thing.
Duggan used Talonar in his Infinity Watch mini so I guess Robbie is probably going to appear in whatever Duggan ends up doing. But crossing my fingers that Ewing takes him for whatever he's doing with Quasar and Nova.
Caleb Wilson
Even Zemo and Red Skull asked her out, based.
>I still remember how anons were already figuring it out Talonar was Robbie just by the Denarian thing.
Yeah, that was fun, a good use of continuity.
Xavier Gonzalez
Okay, now I really wish someone other than me bought this
Zachary Hernandez
It was alright. The way they fucked up Worldmind sucked ass though.
Wyatt Allen
I bought the trade as soon as it came out (pic related, one of the most famous scenes straight from physical), but by then it was obviously too late. I'm not in the US so I had no way to support it directly, but I really enjoyed it while it was going.
Jeremiah Phillips
I was going to give this a caption but then realised that it's funnier without it
Jacob Thomas
It's perfect that way. I'd even add Darkhawk in there too because I know some who were like "ew that's from an event tho" when I said he had his own Infinity Countdown mini, COMPLETELY SEPARATE from the build-up to Infinity Wars.
Justin Rodriguez
You can retcon it easily as it being the WM from the Cancerverse (since some of the AI and non organic beings managed to still continue living) especially since Sam met a Worldmind who assumed Rich's personality before this comic came out.
Or you can make it so WM split in two since it was in connection with Rich while he was in the Cancerverse and that universe imploding or closing its door managed to fuck it up.
No kidding, some did like the Loveness run but fuck some DickRiderfags are just incredibly hard to please and won't take anything but DnA (only like one or two hardcore ones that I know of who are in their 50's don't do it and they are kind of worse in a way). As much as I like DnA's Cosmic Marvel I find people really overwank them. Especially since they ignored some shit about Nova's older comics that was interesting or downplayed it and they also really brought back Garthan Saal, who had a nice death, for no reason.
Some even gave Ewing shit in this one group I follow, mostly because Rich was working with Adsit (no ill will towards the IRL actor but that character needs to fuck off from Nova) although most of the other Richfags liked Ewing's stuff.
Kayden Ross
>Especially since they ignored some shit about Nova's older comics that was interesting or downplayed it
The totally lost me with that Sphinx arc and I always thought that the Sphinx had potential to be a very interesting villain.
Also Diamondhead, he's such a fun bastard and one of Rich's most fucked up foes but even DnA just reduced him to "Lol c-list villain who is now a joke" (even Loveness did it) but the guy is a war criminal. He betrayed the Xandarians to the the Skrulls, killed the first hero that Rich teamed up with, then caused pic related.
Then when Rich tries to bring him in to the authorities he pretty much tells him "Lol Xandar is gone and no one on Earth gives a shit about your space war" and he was right, they didn't give a shit about the Xandar/Skrull war and they didn't give a shit about the Annihilation wave either.
Liam Clark
What is the general Yea Forumsnsensus of the prime kino Nova comics to read? I've already read Annihilation.
Jaxon Collins
Annihilation (along with Annihilation: Prologue and Annihilation: Nova, I hope you read those) and the DnA stuff is probably the best there is right now. Followed by Nova vol. 7. Also read What-If: Annihilation, really fun even if the art is awful. That is what I would mainly recommend.
I thought Nova vol. 2 and New Warriors was fun but it gets really 90's at some point (bad art, extreme shit, Rich also had ridiculous hair and is a punk kid with a chip on his shoulder but it gets explained why) and it's a different monster than modern Nova stuff. Cosmic stuff do happen in those comics though. Also a very annoying dangling plot that never really gets resolved.
Nova vol. 1 is super dated and not that great outside the Sphinx stuff, but it does provide some interesting context to Rich as a character. Nova vol. 3 resolves one dangling plot from vol. 2 but it's totally skippable and it's forgettable.
New Warriors vol. 2 and vol.3 are also skippable unless you want to see boring teen drama and Rich get mauled by Koalas. But otherwise skippable.