BIRDS OF PREY

I know. I just want to deny this exists.

>Batman has disappeared
There's rumors going around that's still the case in Matt Reeves movie and the Batman Pattinson is actually playing is Dick

>Batman has disappeared. The Joker is depressed without him
Sounds fuckin' gay

Ironically the only comic accurate shit of all this trainwreck.

They should've gone for Oberon Sexton's arc but they don't read comics.

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Sounds like utter shit, but then it's birds of prey so there's barely anything to work with besides GURRRRL POWURRRR

I honestly don't know how you can slap these characters together and make a satisfying story in an hour and a half without any prior context or worldbuilding. It's doomed to fail.

>without any prior context or worldbuilding
You could have three seasons and an hour special and you couldn't make a good story with these characters.

>Huntress becomes Black Mask's personal assassin so she can get revenge for killing her parents
>so instead of just killing him she goes after the diamond
Also
>Focus being on Huntress/Black Canary and not Harley
Never gonna happen

>without any prior context or worldbuilding
Even though Harley is the main character who has prior context and worldbuilding?

Not that user but I would think they'd immediately throw all of that out considering how awful she was in SS.

>Harley is the main character
Did we read the same OP because that's definitely not the case
>Harley has prior context and worldbuilding
She has the most bare of barebones bits of context from a movie that DC is doing everything it can to erase from existence, and is one part of a trio.

>Black Canary and Harley look like hookers,

Based.

From that image it looks like a shitty porn parody. Do the costumes at least look better in action?

>Batman has disappeared.
And nothing changes because Batman didn’t cause any decrease in crime

Birds Of Prey and Batgirl (Cass) were two of my fa DC books.

Fuck tbis piece of trash movie. Fuck Warners.

>without any prior context or worldbuilding

Because every movie has to be like The Avengers.

Why'd they make Canary so fucking ugly?

user, please.

It simply takes longer than an hour and a half to properly introduce and build these characters to a point where anyone could give a shit about them. They're not close enough to a real person to skip over establishing them, and establishing multiple characters like that takes time.
It's also not like these are characters most moviegoers are familiar with, this isn't a Spider-Man situation where everyone already knows who these characters are and what they can do.

Birds of Prey MIGHT work as a miniseries, though to be perfectly honest it always lacked anything of interest beyond "Look it's a girl team with Harley!"

>Did we read the same OP
I mean the actual movie, not OP's larp. Yeah and DC is doing everything they can to bury Suicide Squad like bringing the entire cast back for the next movie and using the exact Harley and Joker characters for Birds of Prey

>Birds Of Prey and Batgirl (Cass) were two of my fa DC books
I mean with standards that low you'll probably love any film they put on.

>Birds Of Prey and Batgirl (Cass) were two of my fa DC books.
Sure they were user

>DC is bringing back Leto Joker
Gonna need a sauce on that one because I can't think of a single human being who thought Leto Joker was anything but cringeworthy

But all of that is wrong, Margot is likely to be the only returning face.
Gunn's Suicide Squad is a reboot.

It's not Leto but it's the same Joker character

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>Movies that have more than 2 main characters don't work

Viola Davis, Jai Courtney and whoever the fuck it is that played Flagg are all confirmed to be back

>I can't think of a single human being who thought Leto Joker was anything but cringeworthy
They brought back Margot's Harley so anything's possible.

>we are no long allowed to have Bruce Wayne as Batman because Ben Affleck left

Is WB retarded? (That is rhetorical). Why are they making such a big deal out of not having Ben Affleck? To the point they are willing to get rid of Bruce and replace him with Robin? It was dumb enough in Dark Knight Rises! Especially since they is no build up! You can’t just have Dick Grayson as Batman out of nowhere! That is stupid and confuses the audiences!

That is like Thor being replaced by Jane Foster with no explanation.

Why not just recast Bruce Wayne like they do with James Bond? It would be easier to explain than “The Circus Boy Sidekick we have never seen took over the mantle”.

Idiots.

>It simply takes longer than an hour and a half to properly introduce and build these characters to a point where anyone could give a shit about them
Are you being serious right now? Have you never seen a movie before or something?

Fucking read, nigger.

Most movies have characters that are normal enough that you don't need a long introduction. You can empathize with them right away because they're relatively normal people. Super stealth vigilante assassins with tragic pasts are not normal people, and yes, they do actually need some fucking setup in order for the audience to give a single shit.

>Margot, Captain Boomerang, and Waller
Cool story, bro.
Gunn's SS is a reboot.

>To the point they are willing to get rid of Bruce and replace him with Robin?
What the fuck are you talking about? Robert Pattinson is Batman

see
Or just learn how to fucking read and go read the post you responded to again, but properly this time.

What is Guardians of the Galaxy

He’s Dick Grayson.

>Cool story, bro
>Gunn's SS is a reboot
Yeah except the same actors are coming back to play the same characters.

What you're posting is fucking nonsense though. There have been many movies with much more fantastical characters that worked

Okay but where the fuck is Babs?

Yeah I read that on Yea Forums as well. You're an idiot for believing that

>what is guardians of the galaxy
A movie that took almost its entire runtime fleshing out very simple caricatures with a normal human protagonist from the start to keep people invested.

Try a bit harder, please.

It's nice that you think that. You're wrong, but that's nice.

Man, Joker always does the weirdest shit when Batman isn't around.

>Man this shit looks like a dumpster fire
>Better throw more trash onto it

>with a normal human protagonist
>Star Lord

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It is true.
Why do you think Batman is not in this and is “missing”.?

Because WB wants to erase Bruce Wayne and replace him with Dick Grayson.

They also plan on replacing Clark/Superman with Supergirl as the main superhero of DC.

remember when not only white male actors were required to look handsome?
black and female actors keep getting uglier and uglier with each passing year

>Star Lord from the Guardians movie needs lots of setup and backstory for the audience to empathize with him
>He's not an ordinary guy that the audience immediately understands and empathizes with
Autism

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>It's nice that you think that. You're wrong, but that's nice.
So you're going to say Star Wars doesn't have more fantastical characters than female assassin with a bad past?

>It is true.
No it isn't you fucking moron

>So you're going to say that Luke Skywalker is a less fantastical and easier-to-relate-to character than Huntress or Black Canary
Yes. A thousand times yes.

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How do you go from Aquaman and Shazam to this.

Well he's full of shit if that helps

>man I just can't relate to this young man who wants to go out and see the world and do something with his life
>but a super-sekrit hardcore assassin whose parents were murdered by the mob with conflicted morality where she can assassinate and that's cool but the guy she's working for needs to go for personal reasons?
>yeah I don't need any setup for that

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That's what I meant. How do you look at Shazam and Aquaman and think this has any possibility of being true.

So you're just fixate on Luke and ignore the magic Knight and the intergalactic smuggler ?

AND THE FUCKING BIPEDAL DOG

>so you're just going to fixate on the primary protagonist when we're talking about primary protagonists!?
Yes?

Also
>magic knight
Noble old man
>intergalactic smuggler
Smug womanizing hotshot

Deep, conflicted, or complicated they ain't.

Do you understand what empathy is?

>Do you understand what empathy is?
I don't think you do. Huntress is as simple as these characters

>Huntress is as simple and easy to relate to as Luke Skywalker or Han Solo
We're done here

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user I think you've found a waifufag. Don't try and reason with them. Just walk away.

Thank God. Imagine being so retarded you can't understand such a simple motivation as revenge

There has been a big effort by DC Entertainment to make Batman in to a simpering wimp who needs women to do his job for him in recent years. From Tom King to the Batman and Harley cartoon to the new Batwoman TV show, it seems like DC is purposefully trying to diminish Batman and make him look like a lame cuck to the new generations.

It's a great way to kill a company.

This is what propaganda looks like. Also all of the costumes are extremely easy to cosplay.

>This is what propaganda looks like
Not even remotely

Not him but every male being incompetent or evil seems like propaganda to me.

why are they so hellbent on forcing Suicide Squad? DC has so many better teams that would be better in live action on the big screen then fucking suicide squad.

Teen Titans for example.

>Because WB wants to erase Bruce Wayne and replace him with Dick Grayson.
>They also plan on replacing Clark/Superman with Supergirl as the main superhero of DC.

Why exactly do they think this is a good idea?

>why are they so hellbent on forcing Suicide Squad?
Because the first movie made a lot of money at the box office and through merchandise and also won an Oscar. It's not hard to figure out

They don't. It's why they aren't doing it. At least not for Batman any way

Yes, take your two flagship characters Batman and Superman and turn them in to simpering wimps who need their female counterparts to do their jobs for them.

It simply is the recipe for success, Warner Brothers. Keep doing you.

Suicide Squad could be a great early film to a cinematic universe; you can introduce villains, heroes, do a lot of world building... the problem is that they made a terrible film, then instead of trying to improve with a sequel they took the literal worse thing in the entire shitshow and gave her three more films.

Every male being evil or an incompetent idiot or a quitter is propaganda.

Gurrl powurrr strong wammen doing it on their own is propaganda.

110 lb stick thin girls kicking the asses of armies of 200lb guys with guns is propaganda.

Montoya is suddenly made to be the only competent uncorrupt cop in Gotham

So do you just believe everything you read or what?

I don't think you know what propaganda is.

Harley Quinn is literally the only good thing in SS. Her character was obnoxious and shit but her ass in those booty shorts is the only reason that movie made so much money.

If you want proof of Batman being made into a weakling in favour of female characters, look at basically any appearance he's made in the last three years or so. It's not a rumour it's what is happening.

I sure believe those 70 issues of Tom King comics I read where Catwoman always had to save Batman before cucking him for Bane.

Margot Robbie has nudes that you can get on the internet. She could have just been replaced with a QR code for them and not given any more work ever again.

Just look at the Batman and Harley animated movie that came out a few years ago as another example.

Haven’t you been paying attention to Aaron’s Thor? Jane is the best ever and is worthy because she is a single woman with cancer and lost her child to an unfortunate incident no fault her own. Her leadership skill also made her the next in line to be ruler of Asgard after Freya, the ruler of Asgard went to save her useless husband.

Harley has been getting the drop on Batman since the days of BTAS. Batman tells Joker that she got closer to killing him than he ever did

>He hasn't heard of the new Batwoman show

That's just King being a shit writer. In all the other comics Batman appears in he's still the most competent character even to annoying levels

>That's just King being a shit writer
>Has two different series where Batman is allowed to look like a bitch in favour of characters like Catwoman and Harley Quinn
>Editorial didn't stop him at all

King is a shit writer but if that was the only issue he would have been stopped months ago.

King was given control of DC's most popular character and was even able to get an editor kicked off his book because DC was so happy and impressed with King's vision of Batman. The shitty animation, films and CW television shows started following the King version of Batman who cucks out (look at the Batwoman TV show, also about Batman giving up and disappearing, forcing women to do his job for him)

Harley was always seen as a joke character and not an actual threat in BTAS. It is only revisionism that has allowed her to be a character who is able to defeat Batman, Wonder Woman and Superman all at once.

What about he last episode of Titans where Batman takes everybody out and kills Starfire with a cold gun? [/spoiler] i know it was a "dream" but he sure didn't come across as a weakling

>i know it was a "dream"
Your counterpoint to several years of things happening in canon is a single dream in a TV show.

So your only way to prove our argument wrong is bringing up a dream sequence in a shitty TV show they relegated to their streaming network that hardly anyone even watched?

Ever since Scott Snyder stopped writing Batman, there has been a concerted effort by DC to demasculanize the character across all forms of DC entertainment media. Anyone who read Tom King's Batman run cannot argue against this.

>that hardly anyone even watched
Not him but Titans international release on Netflix was more viewed than most of the later seasons of the Marvel Netflix shows

Why does the joker look like an old man version of Joaquin Phoenix Joker?

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>Not him but Titans international release on Netflix was more viewed than most of the later seasons of the Marvel Netflix shows

>not an accomplishment.

It’s been rumored for some time the Joker movie will act as a light reboot to help introduced a new Gotham for new DCEU and Matt Reeves batman.

The other part of propaganda is there is always someone trying to convince you it's not propaganda

>We could see a Joker who acts like Harley Quinn sugar daddy
I am okay with this.

Yes. The people caught up in the propaganda echo chamber can't stand to see their fragile narrative questioned, so they try to silence and gaslight all who question it.

I'm not really trying to prove your argument wrong. I just don't think there is a concentrated effort to emasculate Batman. Bringing women up by putting men down is an old cheap trick people have used forever. I think that with BoP and that shitty Batwoman show using the same trick you have a sort of confirmation bias going on. Look at the comics, if DC was really trying to Bring Batman down he would be getting slapped around by Wonder Woman in Justice League instead he's the only one the world forager respects and they certainly wouldn't have given Snyder another Batman book to write

If I say that sounds paranoid you're also going to say that's part of he propaganda machine aren't you?
That's less of a rumor and more wild speculation. Phoenix doesn't sign on for multiple films

>If I say that sounds paranoid you're also going to say that's part of he propaganda machine aren't you?
Not that user but I'd just call you a moron.

OK so WB's propaganda people are posting here right now

>If I say that sounds paranoid you're also going to say that's part of he propaganda machine aren't you?

I'd say you need to research propaganda and how governments have been using it to control and manipulate people for the past few thousand years and then come back and state your newly informed opinion.

Honestly just thought we were talking about this movie

This movie is a microcosm of the whole.

>mute street orphan Cassandra Cain
And you were doing so well

D a m a g e d

Me likey

So they will basically try to make a world of superheroes without the main superheroes.

If they go the Venom way I'm on board day one.

How the fuck were Watchmen, X2, Shazam, and Aquaman able to pull off so many characters in a satisfying way? Fuck, it's as if people like you only know about Avengers 1,2,3,4 and forget that there's plenty of cape movies that had tons of characters work in a single movie

>I honestly don't know how you can slap these characters together and make a satisfying story in an hour and a half without any prior context or worldbuilding.
All the context you need is that that 3 badass women come together to fight crime.

>>No explanation of what happened to Batman other than Black Canary claiming he's "broken" after years of fighting.
...Seriously?

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Fucking this. For some reason, WB is actually able to pull off god-tier female characters. I hated Harley in the trailers for SS and was sceptical as hell for Wonder Woman and Mera but every character actually proved herself to be competent while working together with all other characters WITHOUT resorting to SJW feminist garbage dialogue. Fuck, if Captain Marvel comes off as more of an annoying feminist cunt than WW, a literal Amazon, then you know the writers know how to write a proper character

>Watchmen
>DC
>X2
Sequel, characters were introduced before
>Shazam
>DC
>Aquaman
>DC

So you're saying those movies were able to pull it off because they're DC

>It's a Yea Forums hates women thread
Astonished but not surprised

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>Zsasz
>mob enforcer instead of being a serial killer with hundreds of victims
I hate Gotham so much

What the fuck even is the Black Diamond and what does it do or do these pieces of shit not even bother explaining their filmsy plot devices anymore?

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Try reading your shitty comics for once DCuck

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A Birds of Prey movie could be good if it copied Dixon or early Simone or even Swierczynski's New 52 run before editorial botched it instead of this mess.

The black diamond might refer to Eclipso or it could just be a diamond that is worth a lot of money and prestige.

kill yourself ladderbro

>this mess
I don't even really see the problem with OP's fanfiction.

>Swierczynski's New 52 run before editorial botched it instead of this mess.

Editorial butchered it from the start. He wanted to use Lady Blackhawk for instance and they shot him down. The whole thing was a mess.

This. It seems like a really simple plot and it's not even real.

The problem is it's better than the actual movie will ever be

Why the cynicism tho?

ladderbro, why do you ignore insiders when they post something that you dislike?

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It's DC

Meaning what exactly? I think the worst films DC came out with was BvS and Justice league but I think they earned enough good will with Shazam, Aquaman, and Wonder woman.

see

The fact that you retards have done this exact same shit every time a new DC movie comes out? The fact that there have been SEVEN pieces of shit already that also had "good test screenings"? The fact that WB is SKIPPING SDCC because even they know everything they have is shit? The list is fucking endless

ladderbro, why do you ignore insiders when they post something you dislike?

>norm.gif
more like normie.gif
Read a fucking comic book ever you fucking NPC

>heard it's good

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I see the shills have arrived

>The fact that there have been SEVEN pieces of shit
That's just your opinion. You can try to point to the critic score or social media reaction but in the end it's still an opinion.

Stop replying to ladderbro

>Definitely R-rated, lots of profanity and some gore.
Are there any topless scenes at least, i mean whats the point of an R rated girls team up movie without nudity?

>you can point to literally everyone saying it's bad but because I have shit taste you're wrong
Whatever you say dumbass

ladderbro, when is based marvel going to buy DC like you said?

It's directed by a woman so no

You can't really debate over an opinion.

kys kid you lost

There's been 23 pieces of shit Marvel movies and marvel fags still get excited, live and let live

Why do mcucks seethe this hard? I legit don't know why they get so angry over DC

>Watchmen
You're not supposed to relate to anyone in Watchmen and the necessary origins and backstories are tightly integrated into the actual plot at points that mirror the current goings-on.
>Shazam
A kid in foster care isn't relatable? The fuck?
>X2
It's a sequel, nigger
>Aquaman
Normal guy who grew up in a fishing village

At this point you're not even in the ballpark of the argument, you're just flailing in the fucking wind. You've completely lost that we're talking about primary protagonists the audience is meant to connect with on an emotional level.

Snore.

Get woke, go ____

Dude. It's one guy, ladderbro. He doesn't read comics, from Marvel or DC. He's just a shitposter

sounds so damn good

I don't get it, what exactly is your point? Yes, Shazam and Aquaman are DC movies, so what?

>It's directed by a woman so no
Literally a waste of an R rating, fucking feminist prudes ruin everything.

black canary look so fuckin sexy

If anything a female director makes it more likely fot there to be female nudity, the actresses feel more comfortable about it and the director doesn't have the fear of being meetoo'd

Really it comes down to what do you even mean when you say the word "relatable"? What is the distinction when you're saying people can relate to Luke Skywalker and Aquaman but not huntress?

yeah I wasn't a fan of the diversity casting but they actually got an attractive black woman this time and not a creatura, so I don't mind as much

In the Justice League movie Batman was already acting all "m'lady" with Wonder Woman.

I actually think that Batman probably fucked off to go live with Wonder Woman somewhere.

She's hotter than Zendaya and Tessa Thompson, that's for sure

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I'm sorry, is the concept of empathizing with a protagonist really so fucking foreign to you that you don't understand what's being said?

Luke Skywalker is literally just a middle class white kid written by a middle class white kid with simple desires and simple ideals. Tailor made for audience empathy, as a good fucking main character.

Huntress is a dark brooding female copy of Batman without a no-kill rule. You can't just show a chick in black leather kill some niggas and go "yeah the audience will surely put themselves in her shoes," you have to first establish that connection so that you can then go kill some niggas. The only reason this isn't a problem with Harley is because of pop culture saturation.

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>good female characters are ones with zero depth that exist to fuck and/or assist the male characters

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zendeya is hot
Tessa is hideous

The actress playing huntress makes my peepee act funny.

>Luke Skywalker is literally just a middle class white kid written by a middle class white kid with simple desires and simple ideals.
But he' also isn't that. Middle class white kids families are not murdered by imperialistic forces.

>But he also isn't that. Middle class white kids families are not murdered by imperialistic forces.
Cool, that has absolutely fucking nothing to do with establishing an emotional connection and empathy between the audience and the protagonist.
You establish the empathy, and then when the crazy unreal things happen people can go "oh I'd feel this way!" or "I actually give a shit about what's happening on screen!"

At this point we're at literal autism

>you have to first establish that connection
And the movie might actually do that but is that even important for Huntress? The audience doesn't need to relate to her, they just have to like her.

And trying to avenge her dead parents would be that empathetic connection between the audience and her character.

>>Women in a leading role
>I hate it already

dude got triggered LOL

>and the movie might do that
If it does it won't have time for Cass or Black Canary
>Does the audience really need to empathize with the primary protagonist?
Unless you're specifically going for a crapsack world where everyone sucks like Watchmen, yes. Shit, even then that movie tries to get the audience to empathize with Dan and Ror.

Did you even read the motherfucking thread? Do you know what we're talking about? Do you know why you literally just made my argument for me?

She has really light skin...She would be considered white in my country

>Cass is a helpless street thief/morality pet.

Fuck me.

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I think you don't realize how vapid your point is. Audiences related to John wick and Inigo Montoya, anger is an empathetic connection for characters and audiences.

Who even said Huntress was the primary protagonist?

>anger is an empathetic connection
Nigger read the fucking reply chain. I'm not even going to bother restating the original argument

>who said huntress was a primary protagonist
>in birds of prey
Harley, Huntress, and Black Canary are the primary protagonists.

>The shitty animation, films and CW television shows started following the King version of Batman who cucks out (look at the Batwoman TV show, also about Batman giving up and disappearing, forcing women to do his job for him)

Birds of prey TV show in 2003 also had this idea.

It's nothing new.

The problem is that I don't think the movie will capture the concept of birds of prey

that's what you get for liking capeshit

Too much not muh

>I'm not even going to bother restating the original argument
Again, your argument is vapid. Wanting revenge is relatable.

Again, my argument is not that wanting revenge is not relatable or that huntress can't be made empathetic. If you take five niggersucking seconds to scroll up you might figure out what the argument is actually about.

I did and that is what the argument is about. You're arguing that people can't relate to Huntress because she's a super stealthy assassin but people related to John wick just fine.

No references to either of Cass's parents?

don't worry little retard I'll spoonfeed you

>I honestly don't know how you can slap these characters together and make a satisfying story in an hour and a half without any prior context or worldbuilding.

Oh fuck that isn't enough for you is it you still don't fucking get it

A MOVIE IS ROUGHLY 90 MINUTES. FLESHING OUT THREE TO FOUR MAIN CHARACTERS THAT ARE NOT IMMEDIATELY RELATE-ABLE WHILE ALSO HAVING A FULL AND SATISFYING PLOT IS NOT FEASIBLE IN 90 MINUTES. THERE IS TOO MUCH LEGWORK TO DO IN THAT TIME JUST TO ESTABLISH A CONNECTION TO THE CHARACTERS.

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Don't try to play three card monty with me. Your argument is right here: and it gets BTFO with movies like Star wars where just being a white dude was enough to relate to Luke Skywalker.

>your argument isn't that there's no time to establish empathy for characters that aren't immediately relatable
>quotes
>"Most movies have characters that are normal enough that you don't need a long introduction. You can empathize with them right away because they're relatively normal people. Super stealth vigilante assassins with tragic pasts are not normal people, and yes, they do actually need some fucking setup in order for the audience to give a single shit."
Learn fucking english, retard

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Fuck you DC for ruining you're best girl 4 times. now (3 versions on CW)

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>Black Canary
>Best DC girl
t. only exposure to DC was Justice League Unlimited

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>I honestly don't know how you can slap these characters together and make a satisfying story in an hour and a half without any prior context or worldbuilding.
That's a really vapid argument though, look at GoTG and that movie was about a talking raccoon.

Do you count the BOP tv show?

>look at GotG
Oh good I don't even have to fucking type anymore,
Go to and just read the reply chain in a fucking loop you neanderthal

You can call an idiot as much as you want user, doesn't magically make your argument stronger. It's not even that fantastical of a movie.

Unlike all those other versions, she's actually gonna have her canary cry in the movie

Did you see where he mentioned Wonder Woman you enormous bitch?

>BIRDS OF PREY movie
>Batman is literally the next word

FFS please enough with the bat wank we already have Harley

You mean the replay chain where people called you an idiot and you can't really prove your point that you're trying to make?

Are you retarded? The only reason Batman has been dragged into this is because they're continuing to try and push Harley everywhere to salt the Earth of DC for at least the next decade.

Movie Wonder Woman was a plot device, not a character, and it's pretty fucking telling that you think she qualifies as a "well written female character"

Simone's BoP and especially Grell's Green Arrow had amazing Black Canary. and I can think of plenty of other good books with her Percy's GA had her done well too.
I try not to think of that one they did Harley better in that though

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>hear Cass is going to be in the movie
>get excited
>design revealed
>looks nothing like Cass or suggests her character
>leaks suggest it’s nothing like Cass as well
>this will be the popular perception of the character
Fuck man, they’re probably gonna have movie synergy too in the comics and make her get mentored by Harley Quinn or something. This is some serious monkey’s paw bull shit.

>read the reply chain
Let's.Your argument is a very weak argument. Because as user pointed out, nothing about huntress really stretches your suspension of disbelief.

I was set to reply seriously, and then I saw the last three words of your post and busted out laughing.

This is for you.

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The actress is young and chunky. Did you expect her to be Sammo Hung?

Nothing from DC will ever be popular

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Humor me here, can you explain why audiences won't be able to connect with Huntress?

>can you explain why audiences won't be able to connect with Huntress
Considering you think it has something to do with suspension of disbelief, probably not.

You could try scrolling up

>Monkey's paw
BoP has never been good though. Its film sucking is not a surprise, especially when they took the worst bit of SS and removed her one even partially redeeming feature.

That's your entire argument though isn't it? That people can accept magical space wizards but not mafia hitman

Because there won't be an audience

>being this bad at reading comprehension
>when there are multiple posts spelling out the point, one of which is all caps

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The John Wick trilogy begs to differ.

John Wick isn't part of the most hated franchise in history dumbass

John Wick was a good film with a talented actor as a protagonist. This looks like a shit film with the only good actor as the villain.

Maybe it's not me but you. Because when you're talking about world building and prior context you are very much talking about the audience's suspension of disbelief.

>maybe it's not me but you
No, it's definitely you.
Establishing an empathetic connection to a primary protagonist has nothing to do with suspension of disbelief

Your opinions don't really matter here and they basically have nothing to do with the argument at hand.

>Establishing an empathetic connection to a primary protagonist has nothing to do with suspension of disbelief
That's not what your argument. In fact that is the complete opposite of what you've been arguing for.

>the argument at hand
Nigga it was a joke about birds of prey not attracting anyone to the theater
Something is wrong with you

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>what you said isn't what you said!
>Even when you said it multiple times in multiple ways and once in all caps!
>You said what I say you said!

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How the fuck can Zsasz be trusted as an enforcer? He's far too unstable. Mask wouldn't be that fucking stupid to have a ticking time bomb attached to him. Victor is best used as a wild card anyway.

How is it a joke?

I’m half tempted to purchase a Huntress 1 1st series issue. Or I might just buy a bunch of random Spider-Woman issues for cheap.

All of that was shit. Terrible casting aside, why is Zsasz an enforcer? He's a deranged serial killer. Not a hitman or muscle type. What's the point of the black diamond? Black Mask just wants it because it's black? Black Mask doesn't get his face fucked up to permanently fuse the mask to him?

"why won't audiences be able to connect with huntress"
"because there won't be an audience"
>HOW IS THIS A JOKE

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Cass was able to kill grown men as a kid in the comics. It wouldn’t hurt.
There has been plenty of comics of BoP considered good. I’m sure there’s even some where Harley appears. It never had to look as bad as it does.

You're going to have to forgive her, she's a DC fan

They could go with the idea that he’s slowly losing it and keeping it on the down low. Like maybe we’ll get a scene with him with exposed arms after he kills someone and carves a mark into his own arm. But if the leaks are true he’s gonna die so I don’t know.

They're using the Batman Begins/Gotham version of Zsasz.

Well let's review:
>I honestly don't know how you can slap these characters together and make a satisfying story in an hour and a half without any prior context or worldbuilding
Now the logic is already shaky here because as points out, it's a very straightforward story. Then you start arguing that
>Most movies have characters that are normal enough that you don't need a long introduction. You can empathize with them right away because they're relatively normal people
So right off that bat you're bringing suspension of disbelief into this, saying that luke Skywalker is a more relatable character despite being more fantastical.
But like sums up: you don't really make a good argument of why.
But you don't address that point as seen here.
Somehow you just keep on avoiding this; how Huntress is as relatable as luke skywalker.

What happened to him? Did he get caught into a wormhole that will later spit him out into a young, thinner, gayer version of himself?

>Luke Skywalker being a relatable character because he's a normal guy has to do with suspension of disbelief
You were ok up until there, but you beefed it. Empathy isn't about suspension of disbelief, it's about relating to a character's feelings and mindset.

>you never addressed how huntress isn't as relatable as luke skywalker
Except I did in the very posts you quoted. The average moviegoer isn't a deadly assassin with questionable morals bent on revenge. You have to start with someone they can relate to and then give them those qualities so the audience can still relate. In this case, you'd have to show what she's getting revenge for at the very least.

You're literally arguing that it's just as easy to empathize with a young man with wanderlust as it is to empathize with a contract killer in black latex, which makes me question your understanding of what empathy is.

I wouldn’t be surprised if they just didn’t address it like going from Van Kilmer to Clooney. He just wouldn’t show up in any future team ups.

>trying to explain human emotion to an autist
You'll be here all day.

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JLU managed to do a good Huntress episode in 20 minutes that everyone liked (Double Date). No set-up even necessary, it was her first non-cameo speaking episode too.

Seriously. FUCK this shit. Been wanting live-action Cass since forever now and this is what we get. Fuck.

>JLU
>no setup necessary

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>Except I did in the very posts you quoted.
No you didn't.
>The average moviegoer isn't a deadly assassin with questionable morals bent on revenge.
Nor are they jedi warriors.
>You have to start with someone they can relate to and then give them those qualities so the audience can still relate
Revenge is relatable.
>you'd have to show what she's getting revenge for at the very least
Black mask killed my parents, there I did it.

It lines up with the summary of The Batman that was posted on Yea Forums yesterday.
Supposedly Batman is going to be Dick Grayson under the hood, and there is a new vigilante in town operating on different rules than Batman did, but not in a lethal sense, as much as a more negotiating way IIRC. While reading it, it seemed like it could be Bruce having adopted a new identity, explaining now, I could see it being Jason, especially with the costume tease in BvS. Other anons swore it'd be Deathstroke. Some anons asked if that meant Pattinson was actually playing DickBats, but I don't remember if that was ever "confirmed."
As always, it's safer to assume its all complete bullshit.

As much setup as BoP.

Engage in intercourse.

>nor are they jedi warriors
Ahh, so Luke is a Jedi Warrior at the start of a New Hope?

>Revenge is relatable and you can show what happened
Which takes time, and there are too many characters that need that in the OP and leaks for the runtime of a film, which is what the argument has actually been about this whole time and you've been too much of a retard to realize

You might want to seek help for your complete and utter lack of short-term memory.

>You're literally arguing that it's just as easy to empathize with a young man with wanderlust as it is to empathize with a contract killer in black latex,
From a certain point of view, it is.

>Which takes time
No it doesn't. You literally just have to say that black mask killed her parents and people understand motivations and goals.

Fuck off.

>from a certain point of view...
Shut the fuck up, Ben, nobody asked you!

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Use the force luke and realize that luke Skywalker is as much wish fulfillment as Huntress. We can all relate to feelings of wanderlust but very few can relate to being a mystical rebel warrior. We can relate to huntress to her feelings of lost and anger. That could be done in a single shot.

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>there are too many characters that need that in the OP
Not really. The only dynamic characters are Huntress and Harley who already got her set-up in Suicide Squad. Cass-in-name-only is a McGuffin, Black Canary's role looks about as significant as Storm's in the first two X-Men movies. Montoya is the helper-cop person, a supporting cast role.

>You might want to seek help for your complete and utter lack of short-term memory.
Or maybe you should consider that you're a retard who has lost the argument, and was never able to get his point across in the first place. A competent story-writer or director can easily have the audience empathise with a character like Huntress within the run-time of a standard film.

Marvel's expanded universe was a horrendous mistake when people think every character needs their own movie following the same formula as the others to "introduce" them.

Nighsxt Crouwley wasn't introduced
Stryker wasn'y introduced
Stryker's wife's son wasn't introduced
Colossus wasn't introduced
Guy that tried to fuck Mistique wasn't introduced
female chink Wolverine mommy wasn't introduced
so?

>I think
you think wrong
>Shazam,
flop
>Aquaman
pic related
>Wonder woman.
>story by

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You've never read a Birds of Prey comic before, have you?

ladderbro, what the fuck are you even talking about

>Reading comics
Where do you think you are, user?

>I am retarded, please rape my face
>I can't fucking read

Oh shit, someone who isn't a fucking moron? It must be my lucky day.
Yeah, if they made it all about Huntress and really diminished Black Canary as a character they could fit just Huntress' origin in and make time but that would be more "The Huntress Movie" than "Birds of Prey"

why even read that garbage?

I hope The Batman is completely seperated from the universe like Joker is.

That's how it's going to be. Black Canary gets sidelined because of Harley.

>I can't fucking read
Do I need to scroll up and copy-paste your all-caps reeeing?
>A MOVIE IS ROUGHLY 90 MINUTES. FLESHING OUT THREE TO FOUR MAIN CHARACTERS THAT ARE NOT IMMEDIATELY RELATE-ABLE WHILE ALSO HAVING A FULL AND SATISFYING PLOT IS NOT FEASIBLE IN 90 MINUTES. THERE IS TOO MUCH LEGWORK TO DO IN THAT TIME JUST TO ESTABLISH A CONNECTION TO THE CHARACTERS.
Harry Potter & the Philosopher's Stone had a run-time of 152 minutes and 3 main characters that are not, by your standards "immediately relate-able", yet audiences managed to connect with them. Why? Because Columbus was a competent director and paced the film well so that each character was introduced to the audience gradually and given time for them to form attachments to the person they saw on screen.

You are a retard, and I'm pretty sure that I've argued with your stubborn, 0 IQ ass in the past over over your terrible arguments where you don't realise that everybody outside of your worldview disagrees with you because the points you're making are not validated by the evidence you're presenting.

>Harry Potter & the Philosopher's Stone had a run-time of 152 minutes and 3 main characters that are not, by your standards "immediately relate-able"
How in the everloving fuck is Harry Potter not relatable at the start of Sorcerer's Stone? What is wrong with your brain?

>A competent director managed to get you to like 3 normal children in 152 minutes
Ahh, well that obviously means a hack can make you like 3 violent adult psychopaths in 90!

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Worked for Sin City and that was three different stories roughly 40 minutes each.

I don't know how to relate to a character whose parents were killed by an evil dark wizard, and forced to live in a cupboard under the stairs by his cruel aunt and uncle.

Yeah, just like Batman vs Superman, Shazam!, Aquaman, Wonder Woman, Suicide Squad, Far From Home and every other capeshit movie is 90 minutes, right?
>Muh adult psychopaths
>Muh runtime

But hey if this is the sticking ground for your "impossible for the audience to relate claim" then let's look at another film with a short runtime and a bunch of adult psychopaths as the main cast.
>Reservoir Dogs
>Running time 99 minutes
Oh my, would you look at that.

>harry potter
>I don't know how to relate to a character whose parents were killed by an evil dark wizard, and forced to live in a cupboard under the stairs by his cruel aunt and uncle.
Now you're just being obtuse

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>Now you're just being obtuse
I'm trying to get a point across to the user who has clearly never heard of a revenge driven character and thinks it is impossible for audiences to relate to them.

>I've got to show that you can be made to empathize with a number of complicated protagonists in a short span of time
>I know, I'll pick a movie with no fucking protagonist
It's like I'm arguing with

>think it's impossible for audiences to relate to revenge
Except literally no one has ever argued that and I don't know why you keep pretending anyone did. The issue is that getting the audience to empathize with a character like Huntress takes time and setup - they need to understand the revenge or else it's just a random slut in black leather murdering people. And again, that in itself is ALSO not the issue, the issue is having to do that for multiple people in a 90 minute span and still have a satisfying plot.

It's also completely fucking retarded to pretend that empathizing with Harry Potter requires understanding magic or his parents being murdered - he's presented as an ordinary person off the bat. He's not running around on rooftops in BDSM gear murdering people, he's in fucking grade school being bullied.

You consistently display a remarkable ignorance of the basic concepts being discussed.

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>I know, I'll pick a movie with no fucking protagonist
Mr. White? Mr. Orange? No?

>Except literally no one has ever argued that and I don't know why you keep pretending anyone did
In the very next sentence, you still act as if "getting the audience to empathize" is some Herculean task. It's not, and it can be worked into the plot to keep the story compact and flowing well. Some other user already explained this to you, but the point just doesn't reach you, does it?

>he's presented as an ordinary person off the bat
Nope, he's presented as this totally magical baby surrounded by a cat transforming into a woman, a giant on a motorbike and an old wizard with a long beard. Completely unrelatable.

>empathize with a character like Huntress takes time and setup - they need to understand the revenge
The Justice League Unlimited cartoon managed the same thing in under 20 minutes. I can't believe you're still posting and embarrassing yourself

>Batman is gone
Good. Justice league 2 will never happen, and I’m glad

>getting the audience to empathize with a murderous assassin is so easy lel just as easy as getting them to empathize with a normal child!
No
>Harry Potter isn't relatable because the world he's in is magic!
Very no
>the setup in a cartoon with 3 seasons and a niche viewership is the same setup needed for a major motion picture with no prior exposure
Very very no

>the setup in a cartoon with 3 seasons
All of that is irrelevant because the core 7 members of the justice League aren't in the episode except Martian Manhunter for a few seconds. It's an adaption where they could make literal children empathize with the character with no prior exposure.
Stop posting. You're a complete moron

>Huntress was in an episode of a cartoon!
>That means you don't need to establish her backstory in a live action movie!
I shouldn't have to say how retarded this statement is.

Also Huntress was just a fucking sidekick to Question you poser

>>That means you don't need to establish her backstory in a live action movie!
Since they were able to set up Huntress's back story and conclude her primary conflict within 20 minutes, doing it in 90 minutes is no problem.
>Huntress was just a fucking sidekick to Question you poser
Not in Double Date she wasn't. That was entirely about her and her problem, Question was just along for the ride.

what

>>That means you don't need to establish her backstory in a live action movie!
Nobody said you dont have to establish her backstory. They're going to do it in BoP

youtube.com/watch?v=yVw4JFKTpGo

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>Gal Gadot
>Neon Punk Fridge Lady
>competent

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How the fuck do they keep fucking up such a straightforward character? How do you go from crazed lone serial killer to mob enforcer?