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I'd put Van Beuren in the back. They did a lot of good stuff in the black n white days when they were competing with Fleischer, but their lifespan was very short and they're almost completely forgotten. Terry Toons was mostly Mighty Mouse, Heckle & Jeckle and some SHIT knock offs like Little Roquefort, but at least some of their shit was decent and their studio survived long enough for their style and humor to evolve a bit.

The Academy shouldn't ever be taken seriously and this goes for the animated shorts of old. Bugs took until the end of the 50's to get a win. Daffy never fucking got one.

The Oscars have ALWAYS been the Disney awards.

It's wierd, I tend to forget MGM cartoons exist until something manages to spark the memory, usually Droopy or Screwy Squirrel, but once I remember them, I remember they had a lot of great ones.

Who even owns MGM's cartoons now?

>In 1935 two Disney shorts were nominated
>Neither was The Band Concert
As if the Awards weren't enough of a joke already

Shit narrative when talking about classic cartoons. If anything it's shared with MGM. Tom and Jerry won as many times as the Silly Symphonies did

>In his collection of memoirs entitled "Just Tell Me When To Cry", Richard Fleischer relates how, at the mere mention of Disney's name, his father Max would mutter, "that son-of-a-bitch".

Was Max Fleischer, dare I say it, /our guy/?

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Warner.
Which makes it even more of a no brainer to decide who is the king of this thread.

Ghibli > every japanese studio ever > garbage > western animation studios
There, I fixed you're thread.
>smug animu girl of your choice

Name me some non Looney Tunes shorts that are fondly remembered

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One Froggy Evening alone should get you BTFO

>One Froggy Evening
>Not Looney Tunes
Not even really shitting on them, but let's be honest, what shorts is Warner have that aren't effectively Looney Tunes shorts?

I can think of maybe those parody documentaries they did, but that's it

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Wasn’t it Van Beuren the one who made the first animated film with sound but it was so disliked that Disney took that title just from being more well liked and lasting longer as a company

>the first animated film with sound
Pretty sure that was Fleischers

It's literally not Looney Tunes though, it's Merry Melodies.
>effectively Looney Tunes shorts
What does this mean?

They're all Merry Melodies user, LT wasn't actually the name of the brand until I think the 60s

Terrytoons>>>>>>>>>>All that other crap

You know walt disney had to break down and study terry toons to make his own shorts? Like a child suckling to a teat

based?

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>Disney shorts
>better than WB
Nigga what? Have you actually ever watched them? The Disney shorts may be comfy as fuck but they're also pretty bland and boring, especially compared to the WB ones that are legitimately incredibly entertaining and clever.

Again, how many of those WB shorts aren't simply attached to the LT brand?

Not trying to shit on them either, WB's stuff are still classics of the medium, but honestly most of it can only be applied to them playing to their strengths most of the time and not venturing beyond that.

>how many of those WB shorts aren't simply attached to the LT brand?
What a stupid thing to say. That's like saying how many good shorts does Disney have not counting any using Mickey, Donald, Goofy and Pluto.

>That's like saying how many good shorts does Disney have not counting any using Mickey, Donald, Goofy and Pluto.
The Skeleton Dance
The Old Mill
The Goddess of Spring
Hell's Bells
Flowers and Trees
Who Killed Cock Robin

Mother fucker Fantasia is basically just a collection shorts.

Disney had tons of shorts that didn't have Mickey and co attached to them.

And WB also have a fuck ton of great shorts that don't have the Looney Tunes in them.

One Froggy Evening
I Love to Singa
The Dover Boys
Sinkin' in the Bathtub
From A to Z-Z-Z-Z
The Hole Idea
Three Little Bops

Are just a few. Even non-Looney Tunes vs non-Disney characters WB still wins easily.

>One Froggy Evening
That one is basically LT
That said the rest are basically fair game, so I'll concede that much.

>Even non-Looney Tunes vs non-Disney characters WB still wins easily.
Yeah, nah. I'm sorry, but the Old Mill alone puts Disney ahead of WB.

>That one is basically LT
The fuck does that even mean? It was a one off short not featuring any of the Looney Tunes characters, which makes it not a Looney Tunes short.

You're really determined to try to exclude everything for completely arbitrary reasons aren't you?
>Only shorts not featuring the Looney Tunes characters made before 1950 and were released theatrically on a Wednesday in a month with 31 days counts because reasons

>the Old Mill alone puts Disney ahead of WB
Well if you say it like that then it must be true. Such a compelling argument, how can anyone even hope to counter it? Disney fanboys are the worst in any era it seems

>The fuck does that even mean?
It's simple enough user, the short itself follow many of the LT tropes of the time and has since been incorporated to larger brand

This isn't exactly hard to grasp. And you making me to be the strawman isn't helping your case, especially since I fucking agreed with you for everything else.

>Well if you say it like that then it must be true.
That's how opinions work fucko. And way to throw stones since your argument is boiled down to Disney's being "bland boring" while WB's were "entertaining and clever", while I retorted how WB simply didn't have the same variety as Disney

Also, I wasn't shitting on WB you dipshit. I even openly said they're still classics of the medium

Also again, I don't even think Disney was necessarily the best of era, giving it a little more thought, the Fleischers were probably all around superior to them as was MGM

Stop trying to make this an insufferable "us vs. them" argument.

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No way. Looney Tunes and Merrie Melodies both started in the early 30s and coexisted for decades. They're two different cartoon series but they became more similar over time.

WB bought MGM's entire pre-80s catalog, including their cartoons.

>the short itself follow many of the LT tropes of the time
Define "LT tropes". You could also argue that pretty much everything made by Disney uses "Disney tropes", so what's your point? WB cartoons have their own style. Disney cartoons have their own different style.
>and has since been incorporated to larger brand
Again, this is nonsense. One Froggy Evening is a Merrie Melodies cartoon. It is not a Looney Tunes cartoon, by definition, and it doesn't feature Looney Tunes characters. Do you mean the Warner Brothers brand? In which case, no fucking shit, it was made by them.

Disney had a massive disadvantage compared to pretty much every other studio making shorts; the level of executive meddling. At Warners, Lantz, Fleischer, etc., they had free reign to do anything they damn well wanted to, because their bosses trusted the artists and the success at the cinemas spoke for themselves. But not Disney. In his cartoons (exception made of most of the Goofy series and the tail end of Donald's), Disney would have to approve of every single gag, and the man might have contributed a lot to the medium, but god did he let his personal criteria stink up the pacing and potential of his series.

Especially painful in cases like Donald's, where he became a star overnight yet a lot of the time was given the most simplistic, slow-driven material possible. Donald in Warners' hands could have been dynamite. Under Disney he too often was shy of a spark.

Weird they've never done a home video release of them then like they have with Looney Tunes, Tom & Jerry or Popeye.

What in the world is terry toons?

Why'd they trap a lion in a production logo? Did they ever let it out?

Sounds about right, though what are Terry Toons?

They're like the elvis of cartoons...."the king"

>Disney had 4 nominees in 1938
That's bullshit. Ferdinand the Bull isn't even the best of those 4. It should've either Brave Little Tailor or Mother Goose Goes Hollywood.

The studio that did Mighty Mouse and that cartoon where the "spaghet" meme from last year came from.

What about UPA?

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Great for pioneering the whole cheap animation style that made it popular in the first place

What are the best MGM shorts?

UPA's cartoons had great design. They made limited animation fun to look at, along with the early Hanna-Barbera cartoons.

Red Hot Riding Hood, King-Size Canary, Bad Luck Blackie, Little Rural Riding Hood, Northwest Hounded Police, Peace on Earth, The Cat Concerto

Have any of these ever been released on home video or officially digitally?

Who the fuck would ever put Disney before Warner Bros? They had far more humorous cartoons with far better characters. MGM is great though. i don't know if I would say they're the best, but i'd also say it's better than Disney and MAYBE Fleischer. The Superman and Popeye cartoons are superb though.

Aparently all of Avery's MGM cartoons will be available on Boomerang soon

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MGM had Tom and Jerry which alone is a huge feather on their cap, but they were also home to the wildest and funniest animation of the legendary Tex Avery, so they're a strong contender for the throne.
It speaks volumes of just how much of a powerhouse (musically, even!) the Warners crew was when even with such assets on MGM's side, Warners still has plenty to compete with.

youtu.be/3eeKoJXRU7E Here's a TryyToon everyone can enjoy, from the sixties.

Who killed who is another one of my favorites from them.