How do we solve the obvious bias towards Ladybug?

Marinette is the Mickey of zagtoon, she's sacred at this point, unless some sandnigger decides to Charlie Hebdo's their HQ and Astruc gets a piece of concrete in the face and gets replaced

The only "flaws" the show ever admits to Marinette is her inability to talk to her crush and being clumsy. Thats it. Take that off and she is the perfect teenage girl that does no wrong.
Noone seems to admit there the fact that as said she is arrogant, selfish or the fact that she lies more than Lila,even when her secret identity isnt in the matter. Someone needs to call her out on those or the show wont progress.

Steal the cat Miraculous and give it to someone else instead, preferably to someone evil or gay

read that fanfic where she gets killed, cooked and eaten by her family and friends, then you won't ever see her in the same way again.

>gay
no thanks, we got plenty of shotas and queerbait there. although someone like an antihero or deuteragonist would suit the powers of destruction way better than some random naive homeboy

now i need it

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French-chinese fusion cuisine, uma delicia

Anything that’s marketed towards adults and isn’t porn is 9 times out of 10 even more juvenile.

>how do we fix-
Stop watching. Vote with your wallets and time and/or get others to do the same. Short of infiltrating the staff or assassination that’s all that you can do.

> good cook
Passable, her parents are bakers
> a vydia ace
She's into fashion big time, still not a problem
> a fencer
Ok, multitasking exists, but that's too much

In my headcanon I always took Adrien’s and Marinette’s superior dexterity and physique as an indirect result from their powers. That would kind of explain why
>Adrien is so good at sports despite being a twink and shut-in
>Marinette is good at sewing(not many 13yo can make a derby hat from scratch)
>Marinette and Adrien are better at videogames than Max, who literally lives for it.
>Marinette is fit and hot despite being sedentary and living in a bakery
>Marinette can fence well even if she had never done it before
>Marinette can make ellaborate plans and solve puzzles in her civilian identity quicker than anyone else

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Marinette was literally stalking Adrien when he invited Lila to his house. Plus she never shuts up about her crush on him. The show rarely makes a big deal out of her obsessiveness,, and it's usually treated as a joke. But I'd love to see her finally get called out on it and learn to have a life outside of being a creeper.

Wasn't she a shitty fencer that didn't make the team and never was shown there again? Aside from dueling Ladybug as Riposte because Miraculous superheroes are aces at everything, Cat included.

Yeah but the show never really aknowledges the stalking as a flaw. They play it as if it wasnt “creepy at all, and prefer to label the stalking as “the persistence of a girl in love”.
Unfortunatelly, Marinette is more likely to be praised for being a stalker than called out.

She managed to score a point at Adrien, the ace of the fencing team, on her first try. Even Adrien was impressed by her amount of plot armor.
She didnt return because she doesnt give a shit about fencing, she just wanted to spend time with Adrien in the try-outs.

They've lately tried to portray the stalking as counterproductive and not helping like her following Adrien and Lila home to "protect" him just ends with her in a heap of trashcans and humiliated while Adrien realizes Lila's evilness on his own. And that her friends are just fed up with it at this point and refusing to participate in her schnanigans anymore like they did in the giant baby episode.

They still won't call her out as a stalker though, just showing that it's not working and people are getting tired of being roped into her plans.

I say gay because last thing I want is another ship added to a love hexagon

The only thing Marinette learned in onichan was that she should trust Adrien more to not empty his balls on Lila, not really that she should stop stalking him. She will much probably keep doing it, until someone decides to call her out.

>adrien is good at sports because despite being a shut in he is a living breathing expample of eugenetics, breed to represent the apex of the humanly achieveable. his father forces him to stay fit, to study hard and to be a multitasker
>sewing being related to superpowers lmao
>one match proves nothing
>marinette has the body of a model cause she's the protagonist dumbbell, you cannot expect to gain an audience over a chubby pimpled nobody
>marinette has never fenced while being ladybug, and you need basic knowledge of it, reflexes ain't enough when you're practicing a centuries old martial discipline
>granted, it's in her powers, but still can't do it in his real self, all of her plans usually ends in failure, like her planning date

see? no powers, just bullshit writing

Ive read a fanfic a long ago where CN discover his daily schedule on a board in her room. It's hilarious, he basically threatens to sue her and she falls into depression

>adrien is good at sports because despite being a shut in he is a living breathing expample of eugenetics, breed to represent the apex of the humanly achieveable. his father forces him to stay fit, to study hard and to be a multitasker
While having 0 interaction outside? How the hell did he became a good fencer or the ace of the basketball team if he never had any friends?
>sewing being related to superpowers lmao
Dexterity in sewing is a thing,you know. Marinette being as clumsy as she is portrayed could never make anything good.
>one match proves nothing
It proves marinette has somehow superior reflexes. Also, it was never proven she couldnt do it again.
>marinette has the body of a model cause she's the protagonist dumbbell, you cannot expect to gain an audience over a chubby pimpled nobody
Why not? Most of the girls watching this are fat fucks. Also, at least give a good explanation since it still makes no sense inside the cartoon.
>marinette has never fenced while being ladybug, and you need basic knowledge of it, reflexes ain't enough when you're practicing a centuries old martial discipline
Superior reflexes can help you in a lot of stuff, even if you have no knowledge on how its done.
>granted, it's in her powers, but still can't do it in his real self, all of her plans usually ends in failure, like her planning date
She was elected her class representative because she was the only one that could think under pressure and quickly. I get that it could still be because of her experience as ladybug rather than powers, but still.

Marinette's a preteen that's still growing. In France, which is not a nation of fatties like the US is. With Asian genes.

She still gets fairly moderate exercise and does alot of walking so her being slim makes sense at this point in her life.

It isn't creepy because, love wise, Marinette is a dead duck, she'll never take a decisive action until the last season or something. Alya knows she's completly harmless when in stalker mode. Only Alix was really creeped by Marinette's stalkerish tendencies.

>YWN get stalked by the psycho qt of the class
>YWN have her around blushing and buzzing to your every word
>YWN get free food, housing and gaming from her knowingly how much he craves you
>YWN catch her sniffing your locker, licking your schoolbag and collecting fingernails and hair on the floor
>YWN pretend not to know her identity just to see how far it goes, and making her even more conflicted
>YWN tease her by asking for a shower together, just to hear loud moans from 2 blocks away when you go home
>YWN ask her for dinner on summer after school break and watching her frantically looking for the dress with the biggest cleavage available
>YWN have the satisfaction of telling how much you love her in the most romantic and flamboyant way possible just to get her melted on your feet

this life is just pure suffering

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>>YWN
You mean Chat. After chase her pussy for 3 seasons without know he totally could do all of that, he'd get really pissed.

Skintight suit fetish

>>Marinette can make ellaborate plans and solve puzzles in her civilian identity
and make a complete balls-up in the process?

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Nah catboi is for spanking and roleplay. Marionette is closeted yandere

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What the fuck? Was this aired in 2003? Why is the animation so ugly?

All stalking starts harmless user. At the beginning its just shy looks and writing poems on diary.
But fo not be mistaken.As soon as you know it, Marinette will be doing stuff like waiting Adrien outside the bathroom to lick the toilet he just used, or looking out for rolled up tissues in his trashcan and shoving it in her pussy with the hopes of getting pregnant.

The art gets really lazy in the civilian scenes. But it has its moments.

Any one post the copy pasta yet?

And anyways the comic con panel confirmed footage and "new project announcements". Of course all the old "new project announcements" petered out, so let's see if that trend continues.

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I want a icor soaked poem DDLC style on the next episode, you hear me Astruc? Bet you did you fat fuck

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>I was a beast boy fan
It hurts senpai. It hurts more because the remake wasn't wrong about how much he was used as a punchin bag.

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Beta boy deserved all of that, tho.

Any bunnix cosplay yet?

>How do we solve the the obvious bias towards the shows protagonist and most marketable character?
Did you get dropped on your head as a child?

If you saw the show you know his complaint is legit,tho. Marinette needs to be stopped.

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>best student of his school
>worldwide renowned model
>ridiculously rich
>half of Paris thirst on him
>beta
Shut your shitter. Just because he's not slaying pussy like he could doesn't mean he's second hand human. He started socializing less than a years prior the story, and all he knows about love he read it on animes. Adrien carries top shelf gene seed, every woman wants to be with him and every man wants to be him

>most marketable character
Nobody likes Ladybug, people are growing tired by the second of the obnoxious Mary sueish behaviour of this bitch. The marketing is failing, the schedule is too erratic, now kids don't watch it anymore. The only ones who does are adults interested in character development.

where is it?

I meant beast boy, faget. Adrien is a Chad you dont need to convince me of that.

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but dude, that is not empowerment for girls!

>do a time skip
>this is your plot now
>Ao3/works/ 15678903 /chapters/ 36426954

There, solved.

thx user

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Bias? If anything it is towards the cat.
New here??

We're talking about the show pally, not the fandom. Too bad the fat fuck doesn't care what the audience wants

Somehow they do seem to cater well to all tastes and preferences.

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>a bunch of faggots on Yea Forums
>a reflection of the viewers at large

Implying the people complaining ever supported the show. It's just a bunch of neckbeards getting upset that a show aimed at young girls isn't appealing to their tastes.

This show has so much porn potential.

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That's a thing on every board and forum. People start to comment the show, then complains, think what would make it "better"... I'm somewhat glad many authors doesn't attend every demand from their fandom, because that could nuke their series kinda fast.

All he needs to do is offer her his over shirt and she'll be on his dick in no time.

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I have no regrets.

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Now you got me triggered

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>rich homeschooled boy from high bourgeoise
>antifa
Highly doubt it. Adrien votes LePen

I don't watch this, so im confused. Mode boyl likes Baker Girl but doesnt know she is Ladybug, and Ladybug likes Catboy but doesn't know he is Model boy. And they don't don't know they like each other? Or is it the other way around.

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From what I've heard it was initially supposed to have a more mature tone and character development with tons of fanservice, before they castrated the original idea for a younger audience. They knew the true money comes from toys and merch

Model boi/cat boi loves buggy gal

Buggy gal/Mary sue loves model boi

They love each other and they don't know it. Average romance square, you'll find it in sailor moon too

>kill all white
>in a 95% white country
let's face it, arabs are considered white, at least as much as italians and spaniards.

Italians and spaniard are meds /pol/tard, they're a different breed
>95% white
Last time I checked Paris looked like Addis Abeba

no one considers arabs white, you're probably one.

Are you just saying things to be saying things?

i want to be__ the cat boy

Paris is mostly muslim but great deal of the traditional society's elite is composed by ex-nobles from germanic descendence that made fortune through old money invested in the new jewish elite.
I must say that in this matter MLB is pretty redpilled.

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Sssh it's OK, it's OK..

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>implying most men don't also want to fuck him

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In SM Moon and Mask are into each other as heroes but hate (or just don't really care much in Mask's case) each other in civilian mode.

Not quite the same thing here. Also SM does the whole "Senshi interact with other group that don't know who each other are in civilian mode" plot like 3 times with Tuxedo, then the Outers, then finally the Starlights.

Marinette crushes on Adrien but is too spazzy/he's too busy for her to spit it out so they just have an awkward friendship at best.

Meanwhile in their hero forms Chat Noir is madly in love with Ladybug and won't shut up about it but she keeps shooting him down because she's in love with "someone else" (she refuses to name names so he doesn't know his love rival is himself) and also because she insists they never know who each other is in case they ever get controlled by the villain.

So glad I'm finally seeing criticism aimed at Marinette the cunt with "non-flaws" and her stalking tendencies not being seen as a problem being a separate problem.

I also hate her because fuck her Muh Adrien bullshit obsession. It's a girl show that really reminds you too much that it's for girls. I can't enjoy this show because it reminds me of Aggretsuko. In Aggretsuko the main lead is a twat who wants to find a beta sucker with money so she can quit working and live off his money. In Ladybug the main lead is a twat who has a never ending obsession with this one handsome rich boy, and doesn't ever stop reminding the audience how much this empty headed twat wants to bear the children of this rich boy.

Like if you're a guy neither show has anything for you to enjoy. And no, porn doesn't count. Porn has never and will NEVER be an indicator that a show is good otherwise certain cartoons would be the best of all time. So yeah Ladybug is honestly complete SHIT.

>It's a girl show that really reminds you too much that it's for girls.

I actually have a hard time seeing this. The love stuff is sometimes apparant but most of the episodes are about punching out badguys and alot of the episodes are focused on boy stuff like sports or rock and roll or videogames.

I know it somehow has a huge little girl fanbase but I don't quite get it unless things have changed drastically from when I was a kid because 80 percent of the show seems to be about stuff girls wouldn't care about.

The show is still pretty lousy even if you disagree. It's just not a great show at all, I prefer watching Sailor Moon and at least in that show the support characters are actually amusing. Don't give a shit about Nemo, the black girl, or the spoiled rotten rich brat.

>cant enjoy a show because it isnt aimed at you
Just because a show is for girls doesnt mean you cant really enjoy watching it, you just need to appreciate the quality of it and overlook all the stuff that infuriate you because it isnt aimed at you so there is no point debating. Thats how shows like Sakura CC and Sailormoon can get really enjoyable even if not aimed at guys.
And say whatever you want, MLB despite its flaws has its good points and is attractive to many kinds of people, otherwise there wouldnt be a bunch of manchildren sperging out about it here.

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Damn it dont just go around saying the truth like that.

lmao Nathaniel being in this drawing just disproves the whole thing and just turns it into regular silly tumblr SJW noise.

All the little girls need is shipping. 95% of the fanbase is just rabid Marinette self-inserters screeching about their love square. They don't give a shit about any other aspect of the show, which is probably how Astruc is able to get by with all this mediocre writing.

never noticed how much texture stretching there was when she blinks before. The fun of close ups of a 3d model.

Girls have always liked action but American animators were too stupid to realize it.

You need to only look at RWBY and Voltron to see how paying attention to faggots online can kill a series.

That's usually shipping fags. Much of the complaint and improvement suggestions to Ladybug are actually good ideas like have a coherent story instead of random all over the place eps, don't have a giant cast but have 95 percent of the episodes revolve entirely around one character that always learns the same lesson over and over, don't create a bunch of powerups and then never use them, etc.

Their are shipper fags but since the most popular ship is the one the show is going with anyway their rage mostly comes down to just being impatient and wanting their ship to start immediately.

It doesn't help that the creator comes off as an asshat who thinks he's better than everyone and literally self inserted himself in the show as someone that nobody can understand his genius and only his self insert daughter figure appreciates him.

Switzerland just announced party crasher for saturday. If it was any other country I wouldn't count on it but the switz;

1. announce episodes at the last minute all the time
2. air episodes the very first chance they possibly can, dudes refuse to make a episode buffer.

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Mods are asleep! R*ll for catboy!

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pls be my soulmate

Roll

This is gonna be real fuckin' gay.

Why is boyfriend twice?

I don't really want any of these.

>rich homeschooled boy from high bourgeoise
>antifa
Sounds right to me, a lot of Antifa are bored privileged white kids

Baker girl loves the model boy who loves the superheroine who tolerates the superhero who's friendly at the baker girl.

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Freudian slip, no doubt.

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kill Astruc and replace him with Zack snyder. Alla the characters will experience rape and mutilation by the end of the third season

this looks like a show that shouldve been cancelled a long time ago

I don't watch the show - tell me is her mask asymmetric, or she wears it off-center? It looks in this pic like the "dip" that's supposed to be over her nose is actually way to (her) left

Only on 4ch would people notice this, and you are right. Normally it is centered symmetrically..

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She was also abnormally good in games even though she hardly had any experience in gaming.

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She plays a lot with her dad.

The mask moves with the eyebrows. She is doing the dreamworks look.

I don’t know what you hope to achieve by passive-aggressively whining about critics indirectly to someone who doesn’t have a stake in the matter either way, but you do realize that doing nothing but deflecting will only make your opponents look like they might have a valid point, right?

it's not a mask it's indestructible magical body paint.

>Pic of phone

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Thats because girls that self-insert in her like to pretend they like videogames because its "quirky".

Lots of socialists are rich yuppie faggots.

>best friend is a sandnigger
>hangs out with a beaner and a half chink
>hates authority and restrictions
>despise his high society lifestyle
>has hot rich childhood friend who would do anything for him, ignores her

eh, no. just another libshit instagram celeb who doesn't even know what it feels like when you can't pay the bills

Forgot
>likes interracial and has an asian fetish.

Dad agreste must be so disappointed that the Agreste's pure arian heritage will stop there.

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jealous?
I don't think it makes much sense. Sure the top edge of the mask should move lower, but it should sill be centered above her nose.

and what, marry the last descendant of a rich, ancient and renowned family of fencers? nah i think it would be fine with that

Why do so many guys want to wear leather outfits than girls want to wear tight latex? So strange.

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Unless you travel back in time and bully Astuc, it's not happening. Ladybug is his daughterfu and we're not allowed to have an episode that doesn't focus on her

Adrien being good at fencing makes sense without the superhero excuse due to his dad likely having him train from a very early age

This is the best comment I red until now.

When you think about that, Alya take a lot of photos of Lady's butt.

Spain is supposedly airing two new episodes soon too.

>bully astruc as a kid
>return to the present
>ladybug is a grim violent antihero who preys on stalkers and sexual predators, cutting their dicks off with the latch of her yoyo. staunch feminist and STDs ridden, she's got terminal cancer and has 3 months to live
>chat noir is a psychotic repressed pedo who was raised in a jesuit orphanage after he killed his parents in their sleep after years of abuses. christian zealot with delusions of grandeur, thinks himself as the hand of god

Does he have a daughter IRL?

>When you think about that, Alya take a lot of photos of Lady's butt.
That is a good thing.

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I finally started to watch this show and it’s actually making me feel happy idk why. I should probably stay away from the fandom though huh?

>only thing that's missing are their nipples poking through these tight outfits

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it's magic, she probably doesn't feel anything on her, like you could caress her and she'd feel it 100% like she were naked.

Question here, why do a lot of people hate Kagami?

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Because marifags(90% of fandom) cant handle a romantic interest with an actual chance of getting to Adrien.

> romantic interest with an actual chance of getting to Adrien
The delusion is strong with this one.

Cope harder

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Because they self insert as Marinette and as such any girl that doesn't worship the ground she walks isn't allowed, especially if they're interested in Adrien. It's no coincidence that tumblr constantly has to make Chloe, Lila, and Kagami in lesbians with Marinette in order for them to accept the characters.

Have have already seen the infamous camel.

I need it now

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> Chloe
> not gay

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I understand where you're coming from for kagami and lila but chloe has this insane tumblr following where they are desperate for her to fuck nathaniel and now luka. (a chloe/nate appreciation week just finished last week on tumblr)

If you want I can pull the other interview that happened between the 1st and 2nd season where the fans were straight up asking if chloe/nate would happen because how invested they were in the ship.

I think it's the first time I've seen a fandom so desperate for a girl to be straight to the point of shipping her with literally any male available.

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I had an old coworker who I couldnt get to watch the show because Ladybug was totally sexualized in her mind. The skin tight super suit was sexualized as it "left nothing to the imagination". She’s like 15 so there is not really valid reason for giving her curves and a tight latex suit. Also, there is no need for her to scream like a whore having an orgasm when she transforms

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...

You really ought to.

>Chloe being shipped with nathaniel and luka
I think thats less for chloe's sake and more because tumblr is livid to see Nathaniel as an important part of the cast, just because they can relate with him as the beta cuck drawfag.
About Luka, there was a false leak and thats why the Luka x Chloe started.

People were posting chloe/luka way before that, even that fake leak had fan art of snake luka/queen bee from before it was confirmed luka was getting the snake.

And I don't think it was a coincidence that ship started getting popular right after reverser aired.

She's bi.

And I assume you're talking about this, but this only exists because the fandom was posting pictures of luka/chloe at thomas.

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>This is the best comment I red until now.
Really?! Thanks, user!

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It makes me feel happy, too, partly 'cause my fiancee introduced me to it and partly 'cause it's so damned upbeat and colorful. I've never interacted with the fandom much, but judging by fandoms like the ones for VLD, Sonic, and Horse Show... yeah, you should probably steer clear.

>otherwise straight girl going bi for Ladybug
Surprisingly good taste from Chloe there.

>otherwise straight girl
She never ever showed any straight behavior. And no, wanting to fuck Adrien isnt a straight behavior.

>being this deep into headcanon
pull your head out your ass, she's straight as a pole. girls hug and kiss each other all the time

tits of gtfo, wench

No, she's bee.

What part of my post makes you think I'm a woman?

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>only ever showing interest in wanting to fuck a boy isn't straight behavior
what did user mean by this?

I actually like Marinette. The theme of an episode being "protagonist has best intention or does nothing outright wrong but still be attentive, think about consequences and take responsibility for those who are in the wrong" is better than "protagonist suddenly is a total irresponsible idiot or jerk with final "today we learned a lesson" at the end as it goes in much praised here American cartoons like Ben 10, Danny Phantom or something like that. For recent example: in Amphibia there is an episode where Anne fakes her illness. I mean what's with that? Everyone knows faking illness to have fun instead of taking your responsibilities is a shit behavior.
Compare it with both Gamer episodes of ML. Marinette won the game fair and square and she is not responsible for Max's inability to cope with his fair defeat but the moral is that it is better to be a good human and a good friend than to formally be in the right.

> but still has to be attentive

>girls hug and kiss each other all the time
... and play Super Pinguino and fall asleep on each while cuddling

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>"protagonist has best intention or does nothing outright wrong but still be attentive, think about consequences and take responsibility for those who are in the wrong"
Except she doesnt. Just watch weredad or Animaestro to see what Im talking about. If you still dont get it, maybe its too late for you.

You just cherrypicked probably the two worst examples. My point is still valid.

People who make human mistakes, are punished for it, and learn an important lesson, tend to be far more endearing and relatable than people who never have any internal problems to overcome. Even so, it's not as though Marinette is never an irresponsible idiot or jerk, it's just that the narrative never calls her out for it like it would for other characters.

Take her hatred of liars for example. She constantly harps on Lila and Chloe for not telling the truth, but herself lies out the ass nearly every episode, and only about half of it is to cover for super heroics. The rest is to make herself look good in front of Adrien or the class.

One of the reasons I was excited for Lila is because I thought the show would set her up as a mirror through witch Marinette could see her own flaws.

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>I need it now
Strange, I think I have lost the file. It might take some time.

>One of the reasons I was excited for Lila is because I thought the show would set her up as a mirror through witch Marinette could see her own flaws.
And now she's instead being set up as the show's ultimate villain, quite literally if the tease that she becomes the next Hawk Moth is to be believed.

Equating Marinette and Lila is really a big stretch.

Not the same user, but here's a couple more off the top of my head.
>Chrismaster
>Copycat
>Catalyst
How many episodes does it need to be before it isn't cherrypicking anymore? Do you have some arbitrary number in mind?

>tfw the worst person I've ever known was named Lila

It's cherrypicking all the way down, because he can't ever admit he was wrong.

>Chrismaster
She just made up some story to calm down insufferable kid.
>Copycat
What did she even do wrong there?
> Catalyst
She promised more free food than she had? That's really villainous.

A good villain should highlight internal flaws within the hero that they need to overcome in order to improve. It's not equating Lila to Marinette, it's bringing attention to a vice that both share to allow our protagonist to reflect on what they could become if they let that flaw get too out of hand. It's what makes Vader such a good antagonist for Luke, or Joker such a good antagonist for Batman.

>What did she even do wrong there?
Broke into Adrien's locker and stole his phone. Are you really going to try and sell that as acceptable behavior?
>She promised more free food than she had?
No. The free food that she had was the macroons that her parents had given her to share with the class. She decided she wanted to show off and look good in front of everyone so she lied her ass off, and then tried to guilt her parents and Tikki into covering for her lie so that she wouldn't look bad in front of everybody.

Dont forget
>Reverser
>evillustrator
>Queen Wasp

Cmon guys lets continue the "cherrypicking".

>there's no reason to give her curves
Aside from, you know, being a fucking teenager, who always have curves, because you know, puberty.

I choose this semen demon over Marinette Sue any day. Sure she's a manipulative bitch, but at least she's honest about it

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>Sure she's a manipulative bitch, but at least she's honest about it
About the only thing she is honest about, really.

ok i'll bite the pasta. i know a shitload of people who lost their virginity at 14, some of them had a full grown rack'o'lamb before even high school. they're ready to breed, and they start to think about sex very fast. it's normal, people aren't all pathetic losers such as us

I see Lila Rossi as a challenge, more than anything. Here is a woman who,in every single aspect, is absolutely revolting - yet I can't help but wonder what would be like, to plunge balls-deep into her repeatedly.

Thats right, balls deep. With no protection.

I won't lie, I'm extraordinarily-hard while typing this. I want to grab this...thing... and that's what Lila is, lets not delude ourselves, a "thing"..... by the hips and ram mercilessly in and out of her quivering, lying cunt with the power of a gladitorial chariot, while she makes stupid faces and contorts orgasmically, unable to lie and control her bodly reactions even if she wanted to. I would erupt violently inside that corrupt and corrupting womb as though the entire fate of humanity depended on my seed penetrating the foul walls of one of her ovaries, the eletrical fusion from this coupling creating the Miraculous Wish as our combined, gutural, Chewbacca-like roars shattered glass and walls alike around us, the house toppling down while we lay there in a filthy, disgusting mess.

Yeah, I reckon Lila Rossi does it for me.

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Weredad.

Many akumatized were about she trying do a good thing (for her, but for the others too), but Weredad was Marinette being a bitch in her finest. The bad part is that Chat took the fall (literally) in her place.

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y-you know this a family friendly board, r-right user?

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Lila
>mom who's too busy to pay attention to her/is never around
Chloe
>mom who's never around/a cold bitch
Kagami
>mom who's a cold bitch/super strict
Anyone else noticing a 'mommy issues' pattern here? Also, it's interesting that they're all going after Adrien who's mom is missing/in an Abra Kadabra coma.

>The power of a gladitorial chariot
>As the entire fate of humanity depended on my seed
>Chewbacca-like roars

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At least Chloe and Kagami respect their moms. Lila walks all over hers just like she walks all over everybody else.

It's not mommy issues in Lila's case. She's just plain EVIL.

Single moms/workaholic moms are the worst breed

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It's heavily implied in episodes like Oni Chan that she does this due her mother's inattentive upbringing. Nine out of ten times when Lila lies it's to get herself some kind of positive attention, something she likely didn't have a lot of growing up if her mother was always this busy.

I'm not saying that she's a good character, but this does seem to be the root of her behavior.

Only people who have a good relationship with their moms are allowed to win the Adrien bowl.

Melissa has faults though

No, it's the excuse at best. They're not trying to paint Lila as misguided in her actions. She manipulates everybody into obeying her without a shred of pity, even her own mother by claiming she's too scared of Akuma attacks to go back to school.

What Lila wants is to be worshiped and obeyed by everybody, and Ladybug is an active obstacle to that goal.

Wait, have we seen Alya's mother? I don't remember.

Briefly. She's the head chef in Chloe's hotel.

rest easy, chump. the sheboon will never win Adriaryan's heart. She'll be the nanny of his glorious offspring at best

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Keep yourself that, /pol/ack

Moral of the show is that bad moms produce bad women.

this show is so lewd, Ladybug always holding Chat's hand in front of everyone its disgusting

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>tfw skintight latex bodysuits will never be the norm for women to wear on a daily basis in my lifetime

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grow up you prude

Well, he's not wrong...

>Lila is bad! She was born bad and she will always be BAD! BAAD!

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This for

And she is. This show is not trying to paint her as anything resembling sympathetic.

>decides to take as granted and absolute truth whatever shit the storytelling tells you
Ask me how I know you are a marifag

Lila is clearly being portrayed as someone with outright villanious intent who actively tries to get Ladybug killed without any negative Akuma emotion to blame.

There's also the fact that she just wants Adrien for the perks of a fancy model boyfriend and actively seems to despise him personally. Even Chloe for all her faults geniunely likes Adrien.

Her willing to drop adrien like a rock if oni-chan killed ladybug was great. And since she had the lying horn it proves she'd 100% not care about adrien if she can get something out of it.

And to think between season 1/2 the fandom desperately wanted her to be a good guy and get the fox miraculous. Hah.

>Lila is clearly being portrayed as someone with outright villanious intent who actively tries to get Ladybug killed without any negative Akuma emotion to blame.
Reminder that this just started happening at the end of s02,but the fandom always took Lila as pure evil way before that.

There's also the fact that she just wants Adrien for the perks of a fancy model boyfriend and actively seems to despise him personally.
Ok, this is headcanon. You could be right, but so far there is simply no canon evidence of that. She may not be into Adrien more than her hate for LB, but there is nothing that says she just likes Adrien for his money or for being a model. Actually,we still dont know WHY she likes him at all. Teenagers are feeble and have weird emotions, maybe she genuinely likes him but is ok with giving him up for what she thinks is the "greater good"? We cant really assume anything without more info.

>Ok, this is headcanon. You could be right, but so far there is simply no canon evidence of that. She may not be into Adrien more than her hate for LB, but there is nothing that says she just likes Adrien for his money or for being a model.

Well there was that one scene in Chameleon where Adrien politely asked Lila to stop lying and that he was sure they could be close without all the lies and get along with everyone and she basically tells him to fuck off and she hates goodie two shoes.

Kind of makes it look like she doesn't actually like Adrien as a person.

Maybe, just like Marinette, she has this certain vision of Adrien that doesnt traduce in his true self? All the girls interested in Adrien seem to have a different view of who he really is, and all of them are wrong tho.

I mean unless she was hoping Adrien would be a stuck up jackass eager to let her wreak her havoc, and I don't know where anyone would get that idea, I doubt it.

Seems more like she just doesn't like nice people because they won't approve of her lying her ass off all the time.

Random shot in the dark joke/speculation:

Lila/felix will be a thing.

Felix is going to be the Poochie of Ladybug: one episode to show how everybody should hate him, and then he fucks off back to his home planet.

Its not like its any different from how Astruc uses the rest of the secondary cast.

Those of you who say the potential of the show is wasted or the writing and development of the characters are bad- especially Marinette being mary sue- can go to hell. Miraculous is the most popular girls' show for children and preteens in Europe and the Middle East. It is more successful than you whiners will ever be, all of you who do nothing but criticize. You fuckers are grown ass men in your 20s and 30s, you think you know what makes a good show? Fuck you! Stick to your shitty Avatar and CN/Disney Channel mass produced garbage like Ben 10, OKKO, Steven Jewniverse, Gumball, Adventure Time, Gravity Falls and Regular Show. Fuck off. Fuck! Off

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I thought Chris Farley was dead.

Don't even bother listening to anyone who uses the term "Mary Sue" here. Literally nobody on this shithole knows what an actual Mary Sue/Gary Stu is.

Yo Astruc, can we get some more cute bonding moments between Gabriel and Adrien this season? I want it to be extra heartbreaking when the truth finally comes out.

this show needs less drama and more cute girls being cute

and cute cat boys

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Are you the fag who was arguing that main characters can't be Mary Sues?

You can't just tell us about shit like that without posting a link, faggot.

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>the most marketable character
>ladybug
nope

Ehh. I'm not a huge fan of Ladybug myself, but I would be genuinely suprised if she didn't move the most merch. Did zag ever publish any figures on toy sales?

The fuck are you on about? Literally nobody ever says such a thing.

When someone called Marinette a Mary sue in a previous thread some user tried to argue that she couldn't be one because, according to them, main characters couldn't be Mary Sues.

It was some bizarre shit, and your comment sounded like something they wrote.

How do I contact the underbelly of the fandom?
I’m tired of only discussing the show in slow Yea Forums threads that are only up every once in a while.

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this is the underbelly of the fandom

well also the /aco/ thread

>Implying I don’t have that open in another tab
Surely, there must be some depraved discord or something of the sort that isn’t filled with teenage girls who would have been diehard homestuck fans should they have been born a few years earlier.
I just wish to engage in catboy homolust with men of like mind.

No, it really doesn't. All I said is this shithole has never once been able to use Mary Sue correctly.

God damn, back that ass up girl

No homo

yes homo

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It ain't rocket science you fag, stop lecturing us with your cringy sperging

It's not lecturing you fucking newfag. It's pointing out the fact that you dipshits can't use terminology properly for shit. Fucking moron.

yes it is lecturing retard

No, it's not you brainless retard. The fact that you faggots can't ever use the term right or justify your usage only shows that I'm right. So fuck off, dipshit.

Someone made collection of such, erm, angles shots. I only have a few.

Take your meds, bootlicking pretentious fag. Quarreling about a cartoon just shows how sad and pathetic you are. Vacate the board and kys asap

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It would be better with the NPC wojak, but saved anyway

Hmm...

I’m surprised Alya dare to bitch at Chloe when her father employs her mother and is known for bending to Chloe’s will over dumb stuff.

Like it never occurred to her to play nice for the sake of her mother’s job?

Chloe's father is the mayor so he can fuck up pretty much anyone's life. Thats kind of how she can make crazy mean stuff and get away with it. She could propabably get away with murder if she tried.

A dude in Finland is trying to normalise latex. He has turned it into a project, with ample photographic, erm, evidence.

The beta cuck JEWISH drawfag. They had a field day when the Christmas special hit and there was no sign of Nathaniel anywhere. Lots of praise about Jewish consideration for that one, though the Muslims apparently were okay to be involved with it.

Andre is definitely chargeable with abuse of power, like when he told to officer Raincomprix that since he's the mayor he's therefore his superior. Not sure if it's him or the writers who are just ignorant tho

>(((Kurtzberg)))

The mayor in the show's world is pratically god in Paris, tho. He literally had a doomsday button that could launch all space garbage back to paris and destroy the whole city.

Who is a muslim there? Maybe Alix and Nino?
Also, are gypsies christian and celebrate christmas? I have no idea. But Juleka is there, tho.

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You are a god-sent user. Bless you and your beautiful heart.

>post number ends in 5 butts
what commitment

would you know anything about

>Based butt poster with based 8's
Checked and have a Caline.

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The Romani are split between Christianity and Islam, so yes?

French gypsies are catholic mixed with lot of pagan shit.

I believe he's referring to this scene.

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She's just being an Asian in France. EU is free as fuck.

Now that is what I call dedication.

Alya's mom. Look to that souless eyes.

Correct. i addition it was a webm that showed in in slow motion.

>All characters must be as shit as I am or else they are bad!
This line of thinking has ruined fiction I swear

Nathaniel frequently disappears even in episodes the whole class is supposed in. Like they forget he's part of the class sometimes.

Andre has limits. Like when he became Malediktator because he couldn't just shut down and demolish the school on Chloe's whims as mayor.

That would be because she is an caribean-american native.

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rolly polly give my a cat boy-oli

>

>While having 0 interaction outside? How the hell did he became a good fencer or the ace of the basketball team if he never had any friends?
His father hired trainers, so he plays with other very skilled players.

>Dexterity in sewing is a thing,you know. Marinette being as clumsy as she is portrayed could never make anything good.
Being clumsy doesn't affect every aspect of a persons life so when it comes to practiced skills such as cooking and sewing its easy to not fuck up.

>It proves marinette has somehow superior reflexes. Also, it was never proven she couldnt do it again.
And with one lucky punch you could KO almost anyone, doesn't mean you could hit the punch every time, also Adrian wasn't expecting her to do well and was caught off guard.

>Why not? Most of the girls watching this are fat fucks. Also, at least give a good explanation since it still makes no sense inside the cartoon.
Because it's a french cartoon they can only have fat hips.

>Superior reflexes can help you in a lot of stuff, even if you have no knowledge on how its done.
LAdybug is powered by magic earings, her skills as magic basically. aka Wizard did it.

>She was elected her class representative because she was the only one that could think under pressure and quickly. I get that it could still be because of her experience as ladybug rather than powers, but still.
She was voted because she actually offered solutions to her classmate problems in the end by compromising and being sensible, she was also the only person in class to stand up to Chloe everyone else was scared besides that one guy, also Chloe keeps using her "my dad is the mayor" power over everyone.

I sometimes had the impression that, seeing as MLb concept is a genderbent knockoff from spiderman, Nathaniel’s concept was to be a genderbent version of MJ and be Marinette’s romantic interest.
It looks like Nathaniel turned out to be such a beta that it was undoable, tho so they just dropped him after s01 and turned him gay.

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>The only "flaws" the show ever admits to Marinette is her inability to talk to her crush and being clumsy. Thats it. Take that off and she is the perfect teenage girl that does no wrong.

You just described the protagonist of most series aimed at teen girls. Katniss, Rey, Hermione, Felicity, Ms Marvel all have no weaknesses and accomplish everything and do no wrong.

It's more that characters who don't have much interal conflict or personal reasons driving them to be invested in the greater story are less interesting than characters that do.

The fact that Hawkmoth is Adrien's dad makes it so that their inevitable conflict will has far more potential weight to it than Ladybug vs Hawkmoth could ever hope to match. Adrien's personal journey just seems way more interesting than Marinette's, and I can't help but wish that they had made Fu her grampa to even things out a bit.

The only time Nathaniel was ever an significant character was in the minds of the fans. The show itself never treats him as anything other than a background classmate. It boggles my mind that people keep assigning him all this unwarranted importance.

Thats because feminine MC arent allowed to have flaws in media. Its all part of the "empowering" libtard agenda that poisoned the writers of today.

And just to complete the though, this sucks so much. Because the "role model" character thing shouldnt be about having a character that makes women want to be perfect and do no wrong but to have a FLAWED role model character, so they could be able to see the flaws in said character,and within theirselves, and accepting it as part of living since NOONE is perfect.
But those hack writers are just unable to think about what they are doing,and take flawless characters as the most feminist shit that could ever exist. Simply retarded.

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Yeah I know I only meant in concept since we have
Ladybug=spiderman
Chat Noir/Adrien= Black Cat/Gwen Stacy
Lila/Volpina= Brock/Venom
Chloe/Queen Bee= Flash/Agent Venom
Hawkmoth = Norman Osbourn/Green Goblin
It lacks MJ and Nathaniel is the only one that I can fit to fit the description

Wouldn't Luka be MJ?

Luka doesnt have anything in common with MJ. Nathaniel at least looks like a genderbent MJ.

luka was specifically created to stir the hornet's nest when it became clear that the love square fandom dominated the ships landscape. He was just there to make the spectator say "HMM MMH OH NO YOU DI'NT!!" and then shove him aside. he doesn't have a personality, or carisma whatsoever, all we know is that he plays the guitar. big deal. when people talk to him he answers like an automaton. even kagami has more relevancy than him, and she was supposed to be his female counterpart

>a love interest with no personality specifically created to stir the hornet's nest
So, MJ

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yeah well even in 2019 preteen girls still go weak in the knees for a guy with dyed hair and a guitar

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>now let's test how it feels this new 12 gauge in full auto...how about that little peacock shaped thingie over there?
>BLAM BLAM BLAM
>eheheh nice!

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And that's how Duusu got separated from her Miraculous.

Whatever, newfag. You dumb negroids can't fucking use any terminology properly it's hilarious. Get bent, dipshit.

>getting this bent out of shape over some randos using a fairly flexible term in a way they don't like
you're either underage or have a severe case of the tism

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>flexible term
Yea, no. It's not flexible, and you retards have never used it properly once. But hey, just sperg out like the autist that YOU are and cry "bu-bu-but you're autistic! ree!' like the retard you are.

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Just fuck already, Jesus.

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Ah yes, because the only person in the whole world who knows how to use the term correctly is you. How could we humble anons have been so foolish?

Well, instead of you sperging out about it for several more pages and wasting everyone's time, how about you just go ahead and give us your shitty definition and be done with it already.

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Eat shit, retard.
Not at all what I said, but hey, I guess reading comprehension wouldn't be a strong suit of yours given the other retarded shit you dingbats pull.

No way I'm eating you, fag.

Whatever, retard.

I'm not the one wasting hours of my life in a slap-fight over the use of the term Mary Sue. You want retarded, that's as retarded as it gets.

Hardly wasted hours, but whatever you dipshit.

>two manchildren fighting in a Miraculous Ladybug thread
Kek

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THIS is a good use of your time? Fuck, your life is even more pathetic than I thought.

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>less than hours' time has passed
>reee, you're wasting it
Keep being retarded, kiddo. Your lack of awareness is hilariously concerning.

From 23:53:10 to 18:06:56 is less than an hour, huh?
Oh, but let me guess: that was some OTHER user sperging out over "Mary Sue". You're a totally different, much cooler user shitting his pants over the same thing.
I'm done talking to you. Get back to fighting with or watch some Ladybug or kill yourself, it's all the same to me.
And yes: you have my written permission to take my lack of further replies as a sign that you "won". I know you're incapable of getting an erection any other way, and I'm feeling generous.

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Those are buttered? Thanks, they're my favorite
>*munch *munch
>braaap

Great reading comprehension, dipshit. But hey, I guess I shouldn't expect much when you didn't specify when the argument began and picked up HOURS later after I had clearly taken a break to go do important shit. And oh look, the retarded attempt to act like this is about winning when it's not the case at all with me. Again, I guess I shouldn't be surprised with you absolute brainless loafs.

How would be this show if it was genderbent? Better? Worse?
For one side, Adrienne would be a grade A waifu
From another,Marin would be the most annoying MC that ever existed.

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in what episode the third image appears?

It would be basically Gary Stu Spider-man - The Animated Series.

Im still waiting my answer

Chloe's VA posted this on instagram.

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It’s probably when Marinette gets expelled from school because her constant absences.

Either way the episode should be soon-ish. The animation looks done, and have you seen what unfinished episodes of this show looks like?

This is what backwarder looked like 3 months before it aired.

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Wasn't Onichan served to display the only thing honest about her is that she really likes Adrien (for vain reasons, but it did count as true to the magic lie detector), but she's fine about give up of him if she saw Ladybug dead?

I know Astruc said no one in the show is really EVIL, but Lila could be more twisted than Gabriel ever was.

Honestly, those fucking schedules are such turn-offs I dont even have it in me to care about those spoilers anymore

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user, can you tell me in what episode the third image appears?

Gabriel's goal to revive his wife is noble if very misguided, though there's no telling how far he'll go for it. Lila is just plain power-hungry.

Where they're on top of each other? Wasn't antibug, but it does look like it was in the hotel.

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yeah

I do know some people seem really hung up on like two season 1 episodes where hawkmoth monologues about once he gets the miraculouses no one will stop him from ruling the world MUHAHAHA.

But besides being able to chalk it up to "bad writing" it always just seemed to me like since they weren't ready to reveal he's gabriel yet they just wanted him too sound "scary" to the audience.

Nowadays his worst monologues just seem to be about defeating ladybug/noir, even getting all the other miraculouses just leads into him saying he'll use them to defeat those two.

the walking guy's legs look like gabriel's btw

>Adrien/Marinette
>Marinette's parents
>Adrien/Kagami
>Master Fu/Marianne
>Kim/Ondine

There is definitely some kind of agenda here and I don't care for it at all. They should be like Alya and Nino and stick to their own kind

It's probably network bullshit at work too. They probably had a more fixed narrative like Code Lyoko, and the channel was probably like "No, fuck that. We want episodes for days so we can play them in any order"

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