Reverse-Earth Marvel thread

>Why Hitler is bad guy here?
>cucks

Oh, they can totally still be nazis. But they should have the legitimate fear that Hitler's continued conquests will
1: continue to waste the limited number of precious german lives against a vast world filled with almost infinite non-germans.
2: create unnecessary ire and resentment for aryans living abroad.
3: risk germanic culture to the multicultural contamination of running an extended empire.
4: fund an ever greedier industrial war complex that continues to prioritize the acquisition of funding (in ever more dubious projects) over the good of the german people.

>Hank Pym beats other peoples wilfs.

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Dare you to make Nazis good guys and allies bad guys. And japan nukes Merica for greater good.

So HYDRA's essentially Operation Valkyrie as an entire organization?
Neat.

Here's some basic rundown (From the older threads):
>Web Shooter (Spider-Man) went columbine his school after one too many bad days and is now a mass murderer
>Wakanda rules over all of Africa, and are very slowly but surely expanding into Europe
>SABRE (SHIELD) is a shadow government that has control of many conutries and operatives all over the world
>HYDRA is a resistance group founded to fight the Nazis in World War II that now exists to stop SABRE's influence on the globe.
>Tyrant (Captain America) is an anti-mutant nationalist who is in charge of SABRE
>The Steel King (Iron Man) is essentially Big Boss with grander plans
>Thor is a drunkard rapist
>Norman Osborn is essentially reverse-Batman, and puts on a crazy persona as the Emerald Elf to stop the Web Shooter
>The Preacher (Punisher) is a seemingly pacifistic man who in truth is a cult leader that spreads drugs that make LSD look like child's play
>The Green Goblin is basically Batman, becoming a hero after Spider-Man rampaged at Midtown High School, severely injuring Harry Osborn
>Professor X uses his powers to make a class based system where psychic are on top
>Deadpool is the same and at the end of the arc he comes to the 616 universe to explain why deadpool is always shifting from Memepool to sadpool.
>Namor is also the same but has slightly different preferences in women giving him away
>Carol is just the same just evil
>GwenPool is a Yea Forums user who loves DC and hates marvel and loath every second of her time in this universe.
>Carnage is peak memepool but is opposed to killing
If you want information on other character see if they are in the older thread:
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>HYDRA is a German organization that formed during WW2 and planned to overthrow Hitler and bring Germany to peace, but was too late
Why aren't the nazi's reversed?

Your post is missing something
youtube.com/watch?v=D0W1v0kOELA

Because for Nazis to be the good guys in the negative-world, that would have to mean they were the bad guys in the regular universe

Because this isn't about the Nazis its about the Marvel universe

Don't forget Zentron
>Ultron made by E3 Pym to finally destroy humanity
>Hooked up to the internet like MCU Tron and witnessed everything
>While he sees all the messed up stuff he also witnessed all the good too
>He genuinely wants to help everyone, even his fuck up dad

E3 Jan is a sadist who leaves Pym because he isn't 'Evil' Enough for her

>mysterio is an almighty space god who says he is regular Joe for humble reasons
>Condor is a younger version of the Vulture
>Miles killed the original web-shooter, infused he venom into his blood stream, and became the New Web-shooter
>Prowler is an Oreo who steals from thieves and returns the jewelry to the owners
>Ice-man homophobic
>May Parker was the cause of one web shooters rape raids
>Chose to idolize him and named herself the "Web-Raider"

How's this?

Earth 3 Moon Knight
>treasure hunter with no qualms about killing innocents to steal ancient artifacts
>killed by his partner Bushman who was originally taken from a tribe Marc Spector genocided
>egyptian demonic entity Khonshu resurrects Marc to be his champion
>As Moon Knight he now spends nights kidnapping people off the streets to sacrifice to Khonshu
>running a human trafficking business on the side

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>implying that miles wouldn't be one of those school shooter worshippers

>Spider-Man is an incel REEEEEEING across Midtown.
So, Ditko's Spider-Man then

He was, he just wanted to know what it tasted like

I believe that's what the threads came to for Pete's reasoning for being a villain. He wanted to be like 616 Peter at first, but then just broke and become a mass murderer like what Ditko Peter could've become had he had one bad day too many.

>Evil Cap is ultranationalistic on the surface but deep down is utterly nihilistic

I always saw a truly reverse Captain America as being someone with no morals at all. Take away the whole patriotism angle, Steve is still a man of principle and heroic. Qualities not really associated with just one nation. So I suppose my take on a E3 Steve Rogers is basically a dickier version of the Comedian with superpowers.

Bullseye would just kill all the villains.

Or
>Bullseye is a terrible shot
>when he does land a hit it's always non-lethal

Fuck you.

And he can only use guns.
Whoops, looks like we made Earth-3 Deadshot instead!

So, is Zentron basically Baymax?

Plus Zenyatta

I realize Jan would be a bit like Raygo from KLK

>GwenPool is a Yea Forums user who loves DC and hates marvel and loath every second of her time in this universe.
I can dig it.

>>Doctor Doom is less a single man and more of an idea, an anarchistic movement of powerful individuals who want to free this world from the shackles of the villains who control it
so he's v?

>>HYDRA is a resistance group founded to fight the Nazis in World War II that now exists to stop SABRE's influence on the globe.
wouldn't they be called HERACLES then?

honestly, you could just give peter his original origin story and just not have uncle ben die
he was a nasty piece of shit before that and didn't give a shit if people got robbed when he could easily stop it
maybe make it that uncle ben dies and peter doesn't learn the great power lesson, so he becomes an entitled piece of shit and it only escalates from there

Thats a good one

>Ultron was an AI hank made to be the ultimate evil, but instead he's just a friendly robot
>Kingpin is a fat italian who's sponsoring vigilantes to stop the crime the cops can't
>collector saves extinct races and forgotten technology from leaving the universe
>grandmaster wants to interfere, but has to abide by the rules of the games he challenges people to
>the watchers are pricks who give the bad guys info on how to strike harder on people and break their oath all the damned time
>juggernaut sold his soul in order to get the power to stop his brother
>Hulk is a mad scientist slowly taking over the consciousness of a monster who's trying to protect people
>Silver Surfer is trying to stab Galactus in the back to get his power
>magneto became one of the greatest humanitarians after the horrors he saw in a concentration camp

>Thor has Valkyries that act as his henchwomen/concubines
>They're formed from women that joined with Thor because they wanted power, infatuated with him and more
>Jane Foster is the head Valkyrie, keeping the rest in line after pulling a Stillwell on Thor showing him he did not impress her

>Venom has a THICC Goth GF he saved from Web Shooter after courting her, not speaking once the whole time
>She rooms with Venom and Eddie
>Eddie hates how sappy and loving the two are

Maybe Hulk is shitty on both sides, but only some of his personalities are actual good beings like Devil Hulk or Maestro. Savage Hulk's an unthinking brute, Joe Fixit's a hedonistic mob boss, Professor Hulk's a mad scientist with the power of the Hulk, etc.

>Spider-Man is an incel REEEEEEEEEing across New York

Not entirely, but this really was an idea I've had rolling in my head for a good few years, basically a Spidey equivalent to EvilReed but at street-level.

>Zentron's kids both hate him
>Hank will never treat him like a real good guy and a son to be proud of
He's living an eternal life of suffering.

>Eric O Grady is loyal and never fucks other people's GFs
>Sabertooth is a bro cool guy again
>Taskmaster does it for free

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i was more going with like first iteration of hulk where he was basically jeckyll/hyde mixed with frankenstein
it could make for a great tragic hero/villain story where the part in him that wants to do good is slowly being taken over as he's being forced to help the villains

>Reverse-Earth Daddy Banner is a personification of The One Above All

how would sentry/void work here?
would it be a degenerate junkie where the only good in him is fighting from the inside?

I want him to be ported over to 616 to meet Pym and family, and to save the Multiverse in AoU

>Sabertooth and Mystique are happily married

Nobody dares mock the Shockster, even though he dares them to.

>Azazel keeps fighting with his son to turn him to the light, but Nightcrawler's life as an outcast has made him a hateful atheist
>Peter tried selling Aunt May's soul to Mephisto to fuck Mary Jane
>Jameson prints puff pieces about how Spider Man isn't the bad guy
>Daredevil lost every sense but his sight, but it's superhuman and lets him be a ninja who robs and kills people

You got it wrong for Daredevil.
Instead, he's an unscrupulous lawyer who's also a Satanist, still has the same powers though.
Call him Devil's Advocate or some shit.

>Call him Devil's Advocate or some shit.
that's clever. got a chuckle outta me

Charles and the XMen are mutant supremacists.

Magneto and his Brotherhood of Mutants fight for peace and equality between mutants and humans.

En Sabah Nur and his Horseman Life, Peace, Prosperity, and Cure want to uplift humanity

Nick Fury is the Deep State.

Cable travels to the past to cause conflict in his own time.

Kang the Liberator. Travels back in time to keep the universe free of tyrants.

The Sensational Seven is a corporate sponsored superhero group consisting off

The Squid (Doctor Octopus), Leader and backer of the team, who made is fortune by selling his inventions

The Eagle (The Vulture) a yong guy who stole an experimental flight suit to save is street from gang violence, luckily he stole it from the Squids company who let him keep it so long as he keeps fighting crime

Dust Devil (Sandman) He enlisting for the army, and was one of many picked for using in there super soldier program. after becoming a Man made out of sand, they put him to work, however after a few battle he decided killing was definitely not his thing and snuck back to the states. feeling like he was something to make up for he decided to start saving lives instead of killing

Quentin the Magnificent (Mysterio) he was an illusionist who decided to use thoughts skills was a hero instead

Mr. Lizard (Lizard) Dr. Connors wanted to turn everyone into lizard people, he used the machine he made for the task on himself. he was a lizard person however, his reputation self was different, decideding to help humanity instead of getting rid of it

Shocker (Shocker) Guy who decided
“hay, i could get famous becoming a superhero” and he is still trying...

>BullsEye always misses his target
>But the thrown item always ends up causing some sort of collateral damage to the target

>spoiler
Oh, Namor, you lovable genocidal asshole.

Dr. Strange was pretty much Cioccolata before he found out about magic and shit and found a way to swap bodies with the benevolent ruler of the Light Dimension, Dormammu. Dormammu has to stop him from using the powers of other deities to become stronger and take over the universe.

>Tony Stark is some middle class peasant dreaming of making it big
>is pretty much Patrick Bateman mixed with Mads Hannibal in how carefully he’s constructed his fake persona
>racist who hates General Rhodes, the man trying to reign in his power, but his cash buys him too many politicians
>makes dough with weapons but wants more and more, taking out business rivals with his private Hitman (E3 Punisher?) all the while opening subsidiaries and trying to dip into every major market
>is working with Black Widow, who’s his mole inside SHIELD, to get secure intel on whatever other tech could rival his
>sleazebag who’s fucking most of his female staff and then some at the same time, while calling them all whores
>Stark Phones, Stark PCs, everything is spying on you and Stark Augs are ticking time bombs waiting to turn you into an obedient drone
>eventually sets up a PMC to ensure that he will always control war and therefore the “future”
>constantly tries to suppress AIs from achieving true transcendence

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was peter a senior when he shot up the school? i have an idea for something but ages are kinda important

So was venom the one to break things off after realizing how nuts peter was?
And now peter is deperately trying to steal it back for the power?

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I'd say so
The only difference is he like brunettes instead of blondes
Kek
>After failing from his lifetie dream of becoming a baseball star, Bullseye had his family killed by Hawkeye. He vowed vengeance on all super criminals. One by one

Ubderrated post

>flash thompson was peter's only friend
>he was an incel like peter until bety brant confessed to him
>he knew peter would hate him if he knew he was dating so he kept it a secret
>pete found out and on the day he shot up the school, he shot off flash's legs and forced him to watch him kill betty.
>this causes flash to gain an extreme hatred of peter and becomes an alcoholic to distract his mind from betty.
>betty wakes up one year and finds in the living room crime master's suit and a booklet that reveals how she died and that she was chosen to be the next crime master.
>she kidnaps and hypnotizes a person who was nearly burned into becoming Jack O' Lantern. Who steal for Betty the Toxin symbiote, an offspring of Venom
>the toxin symbiote, while offering it's user power beyond that of Venom, is so stupid that it's mind is in a vegetative state and can't do anything without bonding to a host.
>she gives the toxin symbiote to flash and offers him a chance to get revenge on peter
>flash takes the symbiote and becomes agent toxin

>Astronauts found the symbiote in space
>Peter stole it from them, seeing the untapped potential
>the suit learns the lesson of responsibility and saw upstanding journalist, Eddie Brock, as a more worthy successor
>Peter obsessively stalks them, begging the symbiote to take him back before he kills its current host

The idea originally was that Flash was originally the same as his 616 counterpart, except his treatment of Peter was horrible. After Peter's attack on Midtown, in which he terribly wounded Flash by ripping off his legs and leaving him to die, it poisoned his heart, made him someone worse.

I would follow this serialisation so bad

>Carnage is the problem child of the symbiote and the goth GF
>Eddie doesn't wanna pay child support, so he wants him dead
>The symbiote is blissfully unaware of Eddie wanting him dead and loves both his fathers with all of his heart despite both of them wanting him dead

Not that way, Eddie is more exasperatd at how lovely dovvie Venom and his GF are. Carnage is def their child though, their neurotic carzy child.
I'd have it during Pete shooting up the school his bullies make a last stand to distract/take him down (despite how futile it was) like Kendrick Castillo who sacrificed himself during the recent STEM shooting and gave everyone time to dogpile the shooter. Flash was the only survivor with his legs torn off. But way more people survived

i'll give you that. I still like my idea of betty becoming crime master

>Peter... you've gotta stop.
>M... Mr. Osborn? Is that you?
>Yes... Peter, I know... your uncle was a bad man, I wish I could have helped you and your aunt then, I was trying but...
>You don't get to say that! You coulda done something! ANYTHING!
>I want to make it right. Please... no more Peter. You're hurting them like he hurt you. You can still stop this.
>...That's what Harry thought.

>Don't worry Peter, no one will hurt you again *reaches for the gun tucked in his pants*
>*Spider-Sense*
>Y-you! I knew it! You want to hurt me like everyone else! I won't stand for it!

bump

Post yfw Carnage saves pregnant Anne Frank

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He'll save anyone, he's that kinda guy. He just believes the South should've won for some reason despite being an absolute good guy.

-Norman Osbourne counseled Peter and Gwen through a rough patch in their relationship caused by Peter's evil ways. He even helped support Gwen after Peter knocked her up with twins and left her. He was horrified when Peter snapped her neck in front of him.

-Peter makes a deal with Mephisto to sacrifice the soul of his Aunt May so that the whole world thinks he's always been married to MJ and they had a beautiful daughter.

-Kraven the Healer, noted pacifist animal-rights activist and psychiatrist, once had to desperately dig himself out of the grave Spider-Man dumped him in to stop his dear friend Peter Parker from committing suicide.

Richards and Doom are exactly the same, as Marvel's greatest villain and hero, respectively.

The entire world trembles in fear before The Great Lakes Avengers, the most powerful and evil group on the planet.

Immortal Man would be legit fucking terrifying.
Nothing can kill him at all. Nothing.

>Why Hitler is bad guy here?

He unironically thought he was saving the world.

youtube.com/watch?v=PQGMjDQ-TJ8

He is basically what you get when you have a superhero savior mentality, extreme narcissism, an army of mindless sycophants to feed into your delusions of grandeur, and zero restraint.

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Lets pump up the irony

>venom is pretty weak-willed and unable to force anything on his hosts
>was just barely able to crawl away from peter while he was sleeping
>despite this he longs for true independence

The villain community is stunned when promising new evildoers The Thunderbolts are revealed to be a secret group of heroes lead by noted Nazi resistance fighter Mr. Zemo.

This was after the great mutant hero Onslaught was forcibly divided into Magneto and Professor X by the dastardly X-Men, who joined forces with the world's villain groups in an attempt for world domination. It backfired, shunting most major villain groups to a pocket dimension, which is when Zemo saw the chance to pose as villains and secretly take control of world crime.

James Howlett was a huge, mean hulking teen growing up on the streets of Mexico City. He was known for being so tough people said nothing could hurt him and he was unkillable. After his mutation manifested, his bones became extremely brittle, his fingernails fell out, and he became a hemophiliac who could be permanently injured by the slightest physical contact.

Moving in with this large, loving family who had been dismayed by his previous life of street brutality, he became a gentle soul spreading a gospel of non-violence and mercy to all who visited his home.

>Annihilus comes to the main universe to save everyone out of fear that if he doesn't they'll all die

>Wolverine is a Family Man type who doesn't really kill or maim people but he still evil

Reed Richards is an incel who built a subservient robot of sue a girl he wanted who rejected him

Wouldn't Reverse Richards be incredibly stupid?

He'd be like some mentally disabled guy who was given a janitor job at Empire State University but was fired, arrested, and put on the Sex Offender registry after being caught jerking off on Sue Storm's panties in her gym locker one day.

Not everything is reversed. This isn't Bizarro Marvel.
Rather, it's a reflection showing how badly Marvel's heroes could be and how good the villains could be if they didn't go down their paths of darkness.

X-23 is his legitimate daughter who is a good girl wears non revealing clothing and listens to whatever he says

But we've already seen a number of Evil Reed iterations.

Also I forgot to add the thing and Johnny Storm are people he knew and kidnapped and experimented Johnny storm being Sue's overprotective brother and the thing being his former bully he killed the original Sue and a fit of rage also she was dating Victor Von Doom who this motivates into becoming a hero to stop the frightful four

Maybe he represents a different aspect of Reed compared to The Maker. That'd make him interesting.

>"James! Good to see you again, buddy! How's life been? How are the kids?"
>"Things are good, but honestly I'm a little worried about Lara and Akihiro. Sure they're great students and well-behaved, but I wish they'd take some risk now and then and try living life a little."

>"Oh my! How can you reveal such revealing clothing?"
>"... Jeans and a T are revealing?"

I will expand on my thoughts here
> Wolverine and Sabretooth used to be Hitmen Brothers until they had a falling out which was caused because Sabertooth wanted to go straight and become a hero to make up for his mistakes this didn't Jive well with John
> Wolverine only kills his targets unless he is pushed was absolute Last Resort on other people
> he is mild-mannered doesn't like to curse, drink, or smoke incredibly traditionally Catholic
> Laura is his well-behaved like 9 to 10-year-old daughter who often accompanies his dad on his missions
> he got his wife after going to Japan on the mission and the people who paid him couldn't pay up so they offered the boss's daughter instead he refused but she insisted At first she was like his made but then they eventually grew to love each other

Now all I can think of is the Venom Symbiote, Goth GF and Eddie in a weird sitcom scenario

Scratch 9 and 10 I'll say early teenage 14 to 16 year old

Peter starts to become a super villain after getting yelled by his drunk and unemployed uncle about how he is weak and has no responsibilities and Peter snaps and kills him

>"Hey guys, I'm ba- GOD DAMN IT! Not on the counter! I just bought it. *Laugh Track*
>"Carnage, there isn't a place in this house your parents *Haven't done it*. ...Like the chair you're sitting in- "EWW!" - or the stair handrail, or the-"

>>Hank Pym is a guy who keeps on trying to do evil shit but fucks up and does good shit instead

I want this. It doesn't even have to be Pym, but I just want this.

>"What are the results, henchman? Is my deadly chemical bioweapon decimating the terrified population of Chicago?"
>"Well, actually, about that..."
>"Is it more cruel and horrifying that I imagined? Are the test subjects shitting out their own intestines as their eyes explode, while their children write in flesh-melting pain?"
>"No, sir. They're all fine. Better than fine, actually. Our contacts at the CDC say that your Death Mist is curing both asthma and several strains of herpes."
>"WHAT?!"
>"It gets worse, sir. Reports would indicate that several patients with lymphoma are experiencing rapid remission after contact with the mist. You might very have cured cancer."
>"Fuck!"

Honestly I like the verison where Uncle Ben lives, but is a complete asshole to peter

>"There are reports of numerous dementia/amnesia patients regaining memories and having improved mental faculties as well. One case has a 99 year old woman recount her childhood to the letter to her grandchildren."
>"DAMN YOU! *BANG*
>...You fixed my shoulder sir. Thank you! it's been hurting for so long."

>Peter gets his powers
>First thing he does is sign up for a wrestling thing
>Accidentally goes too far against his enemy, Chainsaw, and breaks almost all of his fucking bones
>Runs home before he can be caught and his identity revealed
>Uncle Ben finds out, starts abusing him, threatens to call the police
>Runs out, planning to go to the police station
>Gets mugged, fucking dies
>Peter truly realizes mortality at that moment and just how powerful he is compared to the common man

And having Ultron waltz in congratulating him on the job just makes it all the more funny

Nah Peter has to be the one to kill him

Captain America is the same before being frozen but after he unfreezes Captain America becomes a alt right figurehead who thinks that the West is dying and wants to take back his country for his people by ironically doing the same thing his enemies were doing when he was fighting in World War II

>here you are holed up in your room all day, with no productive hobbies, no friends, and certainly no girlfriends
>when are you gonna do something exciting for once, poindexter?

>Deadpool is the same
> Tony Stark never becomes Iron Man he's just sells Black Market villain Tech similar to the vulture in Spider-Man homecoming but on a larger scale
> Gwen Stacy is Peter's obsessive stalker girlfriend who get spider powers after taking some of his blood and injecting herself with it and she becomes Spider-Man's sorter Harley Quinn but a lot more submissive to him then Harley ever was to the Joker
> the Hulk is a innocent childlike monster Bruce Banner created but Bruce swaps Minds with him

> Peter kills Gwen after taking her as a hostage something he does often when fighting Norman Osborn but after Norman Osborn yells at him similar to how his uncle did this causes him to snap and throw her off the bridge before Norman could get a chance to savor killing her this affected Norman way more than it affects Peter

after Kraven crawed himself out of his grave, he took inspiration from that and from the animals he protected and because an animal themed vigilante,

he also joined a later incarnation of the Sensational Six

i assume the ghost rider of this would be one of those evil angels trope thats just a massive asshole to everyone despite looking heavenly and otherworldly

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So does the Living Tribunal remain the same or...?

>Iron Fist is an Asian supremacist that leads a squad of Assassins for Hire and rules the mystical city of K'un Lun with an iron fist (pun intended)
>The Hand (that Feeds) is the world's oldest humanitarian organization that specializes in rescuing and raising war orphans. It was founded in China during the Waring States era by a man only known today as the Mandarin, who wielded upon his hands ten rings of virtue that now symbolizes the precepts of the Hand. Over the years, the Hand rescued a lot of victims of K'un Lun's raids and frequent war campaigns.
>The Ancient One is an Old God that lures victims to his temple with promises of mystic powers then steals their souls and substitutes pieces of his own, using their bodies as vessels for his will

>Iron Fist is an Asian supremacist that leads a squad of Assassins for Hire and rules the mystical city of K'un Lun with an iron fist (pun intended)

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>Stark Industries is basically just 616 Roxxon/Hammer
>Baxter Building/Future Foundation is AIM

What would Jay Jonah Jameson be like? His two biggest traits as I see it is hating Spiderman and his obsession with using pics of him for profit and I'm not sure which inversion is better. Either:

A)
>Despises the Web-Shooter and refuses to give even the tiniest bit of publicity to him out of fear of glorifying him
>Maintains this policy generally for villains but Web-Shooter is the only one never mentioned even if it would sell papers
>The Daily Bugle is seen as a trustworthy source free from sensationalization though it does sometimes give an overly positive spin on events and heroes

B)
>Jameson publishes pics of Web-Shooter as much as possible seeing him as an easy way to sell papers and profit through controversy
>The Daily Bugle is full of Jameson's editorials on Peter's shootings either celebrating him for targeting deserving victims or the supposedly undeserving victims full blown crisis actor false flag conspiracies meant to discredit this "hero's" work
>He never asks why the Parker boy's photos of the latest massacre are always prior to police arriving
>Actually pays Peter handsomely for the pics thus unintentionally funding his next attack

>E3 Reed is just a minutely nicer Maker, he has a twisted love for his family
>He sells his tech to anyone, doesn't care for the possible ramifications
>Dabs on Stark whenever he can

>a deal with Mephisto
Don't you mean a deal with Daimon Hellstorm?

He genuinely believes in every crazy thing he publishes, and is to busy looking at the bigger picture than worrying about a single criminal.

>The Reconstruction Wave led by Reconstrictus came from the Positive Zone to try and fix the fabric of the universe after it had been severely damaged by the Nova Crew, a band of ruthless space pirates that abuse energy stolen from universal abstracts to power their deadly weapons

>During Civil War, Tony Stark tries to pass a bill that says all costumed individuals have the right to remain anonymous and protect their identity (he only wants to pass it so he can be free to commit heinous crimes in secret and because he wants to spread anarchy and chaos)
>Steve Rogers opposes him because such a law would get in the way of his dream of an authoritarian utopia

Forgiveness stare that destroys the evil inside of people/lobltomizes them?

Ghost rider = old testament
Holy spirit = new testament