Is GI Joe Kill?

They could just target it at older audiences and forget about it being a kids thing. Military is kind of baked into the cake.

On the other hand I guess they could really embrace the sci-fi Cobra-La angle if they do want to go the unrealistic kiddie route though. And just say they're spies instead of army guys.

The problem is that GI Joe depends on American patriotism being in vogue and for the past 10-15 years there has been nothing more unpopular than to take pride in being an American. We've been conditioned over the past generation to absolutely hate ourselves. Something as optimistic and proud as GI Joe could never appeal to a modern Woke audience.

which is why I said that 911 SHOULD have been an all time high for the franchise.
County Music was hitting an all-time high, American flags were everywhere and everyone wanted to see bad guys get shot.

then post 9/11 hits then that version of GI Joe gets mocked

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it's as kill as any other IDW or Dynamite title is; they should probably pitch a cartoon to someone like Netflix or Amazon to help it out, like it worked for Voltron

Uhhh... If you guys didn't know, Hasbro had a huge success with the GI Joe toyline for it's 25th Anniversary.

It sold so well it went from a limited time release to being a full blown toyline that kept on going from 2007 til 2009, when it got replaced by the Rise of Cobra movie toyline.
2007 and 2008 were HUGE years in anti-war movements and the election campaigns were run on that shit too. GI Joe thrived in an era when anything war-like was being protested against.

After Rise of Cobra, they ditched the movie line to continue producing more figures with a new toyline it called "Pursuit of Cobra" in 2009 until it was also replaced by the next movie toyline: Retaliation.

Retaliation completely fucked over retailers by the movie being delayed almost a full year later, because they were stuck holding onto movie toy products without a movie to push sales for it. By the time the movie came out, all the major retailers ditched the toys from their shelves and never carried anything again. So in 2014, the toyline became a niche limited release for ToysRUs and specific toy sites.

Retaliation and ToysRUs' demise are why nothing GI Joe has been marketed in any major ways for the past 3 or so years.

Also, there were various cartoons before 2007. Sigma 6 was a failed semi-reboot of the 00s Direct to DVD cartoon movies they made. Those Direct to DVD cartoons supported the toyline Hasbro had from 2001 or 2002 until 2006. They seemed to do decently.

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because the show is so 80's that it only works in the 80's.

>OH MAN I LOVE FIGHTING FOR THE ARMY
>oh shit 9/11 happened and we sent all our young into two or three neverending wars that accomplished nothing other than creating safe havens for terrorist groups
>WOAH WHY DID THIS ARMY THEMED TOY LINE SHIT THE BED ALL OF A SUDDEN?

I dont think chinks will buy into the whole amerimutt army propaganda for kids

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Chinks love Captain America.
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It needs new cartoon. The comics are still fine, there are new series pretty often, some better some worse but they are constant.
Toys are dead except for the overpriced collection items but kids don't buy toys in general.

People its under the impression is dead because it doesn't get new cartoons, so everything it needs is a new cartoon. But action cartoons are not in the fashion any more and you can't use as advertisiment to toys because law forbids it.

So, stick to comics, they are still fine, except some particular series.

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problem is, everyone forgets the 1993 WTC bombing attempt.

everyone thought it couldn't happen again and it didn't.... they just did it easier and smashed planes into it, which WOULD be easier and im surprised didn't happen sooner.

>People its under the impression

*People are under the impression

Overwatch and Rainbow Siege Six have shown there is a market for military circus squad franchises. Just not for toys or cartoons.

I would kill for a GI Joe RTS game

I suspect you are on the right track. Favorable depictions of American patriotism in entertainment seem to be disappearing. And with more Chinese money coming into Hollywood, I see the trend continuing.

Yes. Because we never had terrorists in the 80s.

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>Sigma 6 was a failed semi-reboot
isn't S6 a mix bag of success-fail? cartoon drew anime fags but the toys turned them off (not anime looking enough). old fags didn't warm up to the cartoon (in terms of numbers) but the toys are enough to whet their appetites but not enough to buy enough numbers for army building like their tinier cousins.

Liberal media

but terrorists aiming to harm americans on american soil was a novelty UNTIL 9-11 when it got real.

Terrorists attacking the World Trade Center was nothing new with 9-11. It was just a much bigger scale.

They just need to be able to tie toys to an mobile app game and cartoon and boom they'll be rolling in the money.
Also blindbags I guess.
Make them collectors really hate them despite buying them up.

Perhaps a scan code that cant be read on screens to prevent fakes or online sharing.
Maybe a scanning thing that hooks up via bluetooth that scans something in the foot of the toy.
As long as its not statueshit and the game is entertaining it'll do fine.

‘The Expendable’ is the closest thing to an R-rated Joe-like movie we’ll get.

Also the Captain America movies tell a better Joe-esque story than the actual GIJoe movies. After all, the original Joe comics WERE Originally meant to be a SHIELD series.

Also if kids have a craving for military things, video games like Overwatch, Fortnite, COD,etc can satisfy a military fix better than any soulless Joe reboot can.

So what I’m saying is, there is literally no room for GI joe in today’s market.

I’m on the boat for a Videogame adaptation.
Basically Overwatch with the MARS teleportation gimmick as the big COBRA threat, then you got the reason why there must be a Joe base across the world.
FPS and TPS classes ala Splinter Cell.

So what's the current state of GI Joe? Is it still dead?

Hasbro tried SO HARD to play up the post 9/11 patriotism and actually rebooted GI JOE in 2003-2004,but they only sold the toys in the Midwest in K—mart/Walmart and there was no cartoon tie-in and it was mostly aimed at hillbillies

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Rainbow Six Siege is the closest you're gonna get to a GI Joe game.

RTS is more about generic units in big battles. Green Shirts vs. Cobra Troopers would still be fun, but GI JOE is all about the flashy highly-skilled characters. I reckon you could have them as hero units though.

To me the ideal GI JOE game would be like Jagged Alliance 2, or Commandos: Behind Enemy Lines.

That's reductive and over-simplified, but also pretty much true.

Dead and buried.

Because Hasbro bought Power Rangers and realized it was a much better international property than Gi Joe

speaking of G.I. Joe wasn't it called G.I. Joe: A Real International Hero outside the USA?

RTS is almost as dead as GI Joe

Yes
because MILITARY BAD

they should rebrand gioe to team of adventurers like they did in the 70's

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>Those characters
That's literally the 80s team though; The 80s Gi joe was a bunch of insane village people niche adventure stereotype characters.

All they need to do is rebrand GI joe as a super Team ala overwatch that's been created to stop a league of villains (cobra) from taking over the world.
but then again, overwatch has mei.

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In addition to this, they also own Transformers, and have the licenses for Star Wars and Marvel toys. While they've got all of those, and they're making money from them, they can afford to do nothing with other properties they own, like GI Joe. If they lost some of those licenses, or they stop making money, they'll probably try to relaunch GI Joe again.

That never prevented them from making GI Joe. They stopped because Joes weren't selling anymore. It became a niche franchise that was being supported almost entirely by collectors.

Hell, they look to be downsizing most of the successful properties (Transformers is basically doing web shorts now, Littlest pet shop is doing shorts, and I wouldn't doubt that MLP will be downsized to shorts too given that one of its "parts" is on a shorts basis now).

If anything, Hasbro getting the rights to other franchises like disney and star wars is Arsenic to their own franchises since things like frozen are so much more profitable that they have no reason not to shitcan their own stuff.

I'm not seeing where this is aimed at hillbillies.

>To me the ideal GI JOE game would be like Jagged Alliance 2, or Commandos: Behind Enemy Lines.
An ideal GI Joe game would need to include melee specialists like the ninjas and Dreadnoks, and would need to include vehicle combat.

A third movie and a Snake Eyes origin movie are in development. There are still comics, Larry Hama is writing a book for IDW that's a continuation of the original Marvel series, and there's at least two other comics due to start later this year.

It looks like the last non-exclusive toys were released in 2016. Since then there have only been Convention and Collector's Club exclusive figures, there were just two figures in 2018.

>snake eyes
Why's everyone suck his dick so much? He's incredibly one note.

Fuck, I'd rather have a GI joe 3 with the rock, just because he was fucking incredible as roadblock.

In the Eighties America was destabilizing countries for having the guts to get between us and our Oil Fix and forcing the mentally ill (many of them Veterans) to live on the streets. Both of which were being reported conservative and liberal news outlets alike. So, I doubt that the damn dirty SJWs are why people have lost interest in GI Joe.

Didn't you know? Only hillbillies take their families camping and hiking for fun. Sophisticated coastal urbanites don't slum it for kicks like the inbreds of flyover America.

Hasbro has a finite number of staff and a finite amount of resources, so they're going to focus on the brands and properties that are most profitable to them. GI Joe wasn't doing as badly as you say, it just wasn't as profitable as Transformers, Star Wars and Marvel, so that's where their focus has been.

Nothing 'prevents' them from relaunching GI Joe, or other properties they own, like MASK, Micronauts, Visionaries or ROM, but why take risks when you can bet on a sure thing?

>for the past 10-15 years there has been nothing more unpopular than to take pride in being an American. We've been conditioned over the past generation to absolutely hate ourselves.

((((((Who)))))) could have been behind this social conditioning?

>GI Joe wasn't doing as badly as you say
It was bombing hard, dude. It ended up having to release sets as TRU exclusives because they couldn't justify space in the big stores. Don't delude yourself.

Also keep in mind that GI Joe has absolutely positively ZERO international appeal. NO ONE outside of Murricans gives a single solitary SHITE about "A Real Murrican Hero". Nobody but you fat fucks care. And even then, most of you don't.

NO ONE outside of Burgerland would pay money for a Joe toy or watch a Joe movie/series. And since domestic sales alone aren't enough to keep a line alive, fuck GI Joe and good riddance.

what if they made it an international team instead?

I think I'm happy with being labeled a "hillbilly" in this context.

Pfft if it was me I would have shoved 9/11 and Vietnam down everyone's throats like CN is shoving shitty reboots down our throats.
I would have shoved that American pride so hard in their faces they'd be seeing stars and toothpaste for the rest of the decade.

Besides, Cobra/NOD is a respectable terrorist organization with funding and sexy women and bald eloquently spoken white men with goatsees.
A dirty mudslime on a camel or a chink chonk Poindexter can't possibly dream of rivaling the suaveness, intelligence and maturity of REAL evil.
Fucking Dick Dastardly is more elegant than our real life "terrorists" which we allow to live.

>Also keep in mind that GI Joe has absolutely positively ZERO international appeal.

This always confused me. How is it exactly that Captain America can do great everywhere yet GI Joe is barely remembered? Personally, I think it has more to do with the villains just not being interesting. Cobra is too incompetent most of the time to feel threatening.

This isn't true, they sold toys everywhere. Theys till failed because kids didn't care. Then when military stuff did become popular, it was through video games that were more realistic than GI Joe.

>It was bombing hard, dude. It ended up having to release sets as TRU exclusives because they couldn't justify space in the big stores. Don't delude yourself.
I think you're talking about the 50th Anniversary figures from 2014 to 2016, Hasbro had mostly given up on GI Joe already by that point, those were just repaints and reissues aimed at collectors. This user explains why that happened after the second movie got delayed: That's not true, most of us probably start liking GI Joe because of Cobra, and we may be a small niche audience, but we exist.

Then they become team rainbow.

Call of Duty and Overwatch have international appeal.

Because Hama bias.

To my memory, the very first DiC season changed the original theme song to "International Heroes" because of all the ethnic stereotypes they had now. Then they changed the song altogether for next season.

Cap has been written by pinko Liberals since the 70's, and generally left-wing types created him. Dealing with making Cap non-offensively patriotic and countercultural has been a problem solved before we were even born. Even the Cap movies do what they can to separate Steve from the US as a political entity.

>team rainbow.
Rainbow six?

>How is it exactly that Captain America can do great everywhere

Lol delusional burger. No one outside the US gives a shite about Captain American Exceptionalism. They had to market his movies as "The First Avenger", "Winter Soldier" and "Civil War" in non-US territories to hide the fact that it starred a character named Captain Fucking America.

Nobody likes him but burgers.

Have you read any, ANY Captain American comic written since 2010? All Cap does now is complain about how terrible America is, how America has lost its way, how ashamed he is to be an American, how he hopes America can find its soul again, and a bloo bloo bloo America sucks.

Europeans DEVOUR that shit. They LOVE Cao comics for this very reason.

But did he give up his citizenship like Superman?

Given that half the movie's money came from China I have to say I find this somewhat difficult to believe.

Literally everyone does that and has been doing that since forever, though. I just assume that old 40s-50s moral simplicity just wouldn't sell to modern audiences.

The elephant in the room is that ARAH was a reboot in and of itself, and it isn't relevant anymore. But for over 20 years Hasbro has been stuck on keeping those characters and plotline as the Joe brand long after it ceased being cool to anyone under 30.

There's this line of bullshit that keeps getting thrown out; military doesn't sell, patriotism doesn't sell. Yet military video games are incredibly popular. Toys of military characters from those games are selling. What do they have that Joe doesn't? For one, the media of video games is a better fit for this kind of storyline than any other media has been lately. Then aesthetically, CoD and other military games have a more contemporary look that appeals to people more now. The few things of ARAH that have held up are Snake Eyes and some of Cobra, mainly CC, Baroness, and the basics of destro. Maybe a few other Joes too, like Beachhead. but overall the rest are really dated set most would find corny. I'm not saying to just ape realistic military shooters, but at least take influence from Metal Gear, which is the closest spiritual successor to ARAH.

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According to Wikipedia, that movie was released as "Captain America: The First Avenger" everywhere except Russia, South Korea, and Ukraine, where it was called "The First Avenger".

Since 2010? Have you missed my point? Cap shitting on US politics has been a thing since the 70s.

Fuck that story. I hate David Goyer he doesn't get superheroes at all, just another drone from Hollywood.

>Russia, South Korea, and Ukraine,

Russia and Ukraine I can understand, but what's South Korea got against a movie called "Captain America"?

>metal gear solid, but with snake eyes and even more outlandish

I'm not entirely sure if I want this or not.

>Hasbro getting the rights to other franchises like disney and star wars is Arsenic to their own franchises since things like frozen

Mattel has the rights to Disney Princess now, not Hasbro anymore.

Hasbro having the Star Wars and (previously) the Frozen and Princess licenses IS what kept them from getting seriously into animated features, though. They originally put in a bid when Dreamworks went up for sale, but Disney threatened to pull the Star Wars and Princess licenses if they became a direct competitor, so they withdrew.

Disney ALWAYS wins.

I guess thats why Hasbro never did anything with the Jem IP during that time in 2012 where fashion dolls EXPLODED in popularity and everyone was rushing to get a slice of that market. Now the only thing people care about is little blindbag things.

They'd rather try and invest in the failing MLP brand with those types of dolls.

>Hell, they look to be downsizing most of the successful properties (Transformers is basically doing web shorts now, Littlest pet shop is doing shorts, and I wouldn't doubt that MLP will be downsized to shorts too given that one of its "parts" is on a shorts basis now).

Kids don’t want to emotionally invest in made-up lore in their toys anymore, they just want to see the characters act silly and repeat memes and dab.

Hasbro has only two options with JOE, make it silly and almost like a parody, or go full-out military, combat and patriotism.

South Korea actually hates america. Despite the fact that the US is the only thing that's kept them from being invaded and subjugated by China (because if the US wasn't there they'd have shitstomped the norks and taken their land over since they're only useful as a buffer state), they resent and hate america because they hate the fact that they're perpetually seen as just the US's pet country and can't get respect due to that.
There's a shit ton of movies that hate on the US from south korea (See the host for example, where the US creates a horrible monster and then just starts murdering the witnesses to its attack with lobotomies because somehow saying "It infected people with a disease" and genociding witnesses won't blow up in your face when people ask to see and test the corpses).

almost the entire world hates and envies the US due to our economic state-- even our allies wish we'd eat shit and die, because there's a feeling that if the US were to collapse somehow our Money would transfer over into their own pockets.

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>almost the entire world hates and envies the US due to our economic state-- even our allies wish we'd eat shit and die

It's one of the reasons why Hollywood has produced so many anti-US movies in recent years. The market for those sorts of films that tell international markets EXACTLY what they want to hear is tremendously profitable; so profitable that even US companies want a piece of that pie. So American production companies are happy to continue making anti-US movies for European and Asian markets, since that just means more money for the US.

We are their pet country now cause. Koreaboo faggots worship the ground they walk on

>Kids don’t want to emotionally invest in made-up lore in their toys anymore, they just want to see the characters act silly and repeat memes and dab.
I eagerly await the death of teen titans go and its cancer. It can't last FOREVER can it? its movie failed after all.

Also they hate how they are our pet countries yet they also lick america's boots and cock.

Because they have no choice; They hate america and want to stand on their own, but at the end of the day when shit hits the fan they also realize they're utterly fucked without us.
Its like a kid who lives with their parents and constantly talks about how much they hate them and want independence and to move out, but then when they run into a risk of having to move out or a big bill pops up that they can't pay on their own, they panic and double back and become apologetic.

Finally, South Korea and Japan have something in common they can bond over.

Although to be fair, Korea hates the fuck out of EVERYONE, including other koreans.

An XCOM-style GI Joe game would work pretty well in my opinion

IIRC Chinese loved Winter Soldier because of its "To love one's country isn't necessarily to love one's government" message

I don't think you have to do full on modern military shooter or parody with GI Joe.

You just have to go and establish that they're.... what's the word? It's a joint operation by the US Military, so it takes all types.

I'd also say it includes civilian contractors as well (it's where you get the various ninja and guys like Chuckles). Everyone serves a purpose, everyone has a specialty, and only working together can they save the day from the nefarious plots of Cobra!

>But why does Bazooka wear a patriot's jersey?

Because he's wearing heavy armor under it and he doens't want people to know how heavily armored he is!

I dunno. Netflix treated Hasbro's Stretch Armstrong like shit and I don't have a good feeling about how they'll do with the new Transformers series.

Does Amazon have any action cartoons besides Niko and Kung Fu Panda?

netflix did Voltron and She-ra alright though. (shit ending of voltron aside)

Ironic enough GI Joe did touch on that with Cobra Commander getting his start because of his struggling business in the Rust Belt and his brother getting shat on by the US government.

I think this is just overall disappointment that our attempts to help make the Middle East less shitty ended up creating one of the most brutal groups in the Middle East.

We overthrew dictators in Libya and now slavery is in the vogue again and those lovely bastards are out causing trouble while sending their men to Europe to express it's "gratitude".

Meanwhile Syria now lies under the thumb of an Assad/Russian alliance where they can reenact Beslan on rebellious population willy nilly.

Arab culture is so shit that there's literally no way to make the Middle east better without going in and burning their culture to the ground in a brutal "we will kill you all if you fuck around" manner like with japan.

You ever wonder if Snake Eyes and Storm Shadow had their names accidentally switched and HASBRO never bothered to correct it?

I always thought that myself; I was like "why is the character fighting cobra's name the snake themed one?"

Yeah and the guy wearing white is called Storm SHADOW.

Because people realized that Cobra were actually the good guys

You have to admit, its hard to actually hate cobra commander. He's just so loveable in his incompetence.

He's like starscream if megatron wasn't around.

>>But why does Bazooka wear a patriot's jersey?
>Because he's wearing heavy armor under it and he doens't want people to know how heavily armored he is!

Again you miss the point, its not about justifying the ARAH stuff, but replacing them because no matter how you try to spin it, some things just aren't cool to a younger audience anymore.

I was talking about Netflix's relationship with Hasbro, specifically. Unsurprisingly, Voltron and She-Ra were treated better because they're both Dreamworks shows, and those come with huge episode orders.

Destro and Baroness >>>>> Any romantic Joe pairing

Well, yeah, both being voiced by the same guy will do that.

Wasn't Storm Shadow a Joe until something happened between him and Snake Eyes and he would rather go for revenge?

I disagree, since Gijoe RAH basically returned in the 00s and even got a movie at the end of that decade.

Did everyone forget the 00s RAH series and Renegades?

I loved that shit as a kid.

>t. East Coaster

>t. Muhammad al-Brittani

BASED and Cobrapilled

At least we have all the threads with Based Serpentor user and Based Senior Duncan user

He wasn't a Joe. He was a friend of Snake-Eyes who went super deep undercover in Cobra so that he could find who framed him for killing one of his and Snake Eyes' masters.

He was in the Arashikage clan with Snake Eyes in many continuities. Cobra kills Storm Shadow’s dad and he thinks Snake Eyes did it, so he joins Cobra.

Isn't it more of the trend that "it's not cool being pure American" anymore, and "let's put more emphasis on other cultures" taking priority over the years?

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If I can recall, Snake Eyes was the edgy hero celebrity before even Wolverine was a full on thing.

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I have an idea on how they can bring it back...

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>The problem is that GI Joe depends on American patriotism being in vogue and for the past 10-15 years there has been nothing more unpopular than to take pride in being an American.
Bullshit. There's a massive media and population segment that is constantly honoring the military and goes apeshit outrage at anything even remotely unpatriotic.

That kind of 80's wrap yourself in the flag and kill people schtick still plays incredibly well. American Sniper in 2014 made over half a billion dollars and outsold every war movie ever made.

From what i remember, Sigma 6 didn't last a full year before it was canceled. I forget if they aired the last episodes or not.

The toyline itself was a mixed bag, where somethings flew off the shelves and other things did not. Hasbro split the line up in 2.5" figures and the 8" dolls, and i think that produced too much too soon.
Either way, by the time the cartoon was taken off the air Sigma 6 products remained on shelves on deep clearance prices without moving.

I'm surprised no one here remembers the GI Joe Resolute series that aired on Adult Swim. IT had pretty good action and was written by Warren Ellis. I don't remember if it was successful or not.

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>Also keep in mind that GI Joe has absolutely positively ZERO international appeal.
Completely false.

GI Joe was successful in India, Brazil, Philipines, Mexico, and many other countries. For Europe, it had limited success, but was mostly known as Action Force over there.

Here's an event that happened in the Philipines, of Joe fans coming together to do an awesome diorama.

Yep, Americans still love their army forces and /k/ is full of liberal army guys, hence the GI Joe's success from 2007 to 2014... or whenever Retaliation pissed off retailers by delaying a movie for a full year after already carrying the movie toys for months.

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Snake Eyes was one of the original Joes, Storm Shadow was introduced several years later, so that's not possible.

It certainly was popular in Latin America.

Yeah this isn't the first time GI Joe has been dead in the water, it has basically happened during all major US wars, before RAH they could just rebrand it to adventuring or something, but with 80s nostaliga being what it is now it kinda HAS to be Military or it will fail.

That and kids don't really wanna play that much with reallife soldier toys, the 3,75 inch market kinda got dominated by Star Wars and even even they barely if ever make vehicles for them, which is a key part of GI Joe.

That and the niche adult market has kinda moved onto niche toylines that offers what GI Joe would've wanted, the new movie could change this, but I kinda doubt it.

I remember GI Joe when I was a lad, but we called it "Action Force" and all the characters had their real names and origins changed so that they were a European peacekeeping force. All the Americana imagery was deleted as that was the only way to sell it to a British audience. When Marvel UK got lazy and just started calling it "GI Joe" and didn't bother localizing, it almost instantly flopped in the European markets and the comic got reduced to a backup in the Transformers magazine in order to cling to life.

The one and only way to make Joe succeed outside the USA is to remove any and all American elements from it and change the brand name. Action Man was a spin off of Action Force and has been more popular in the UK since it drops the military angle and is a 007 type spy genre.

Mbe because the retards at IDW mishandled the franchise so badly.

That's an element of it. One of the reasons why anyone with a drop of blood from a European nation (or, god help us, a Native American tribe) will identify themselves as a hyphenated American rather than just an America. "I'm a Scottish-American! I'm an Irish-American! I'm a German-American! I'm 1/78 Cherokee!" That sort of thing. If you just identify as an American, then it makes you one of the fat stupid worthless lazy piece of shit Americans like you see on TV. But throw a European nationality and a hyphen in front of it and suddenly you're OK because it means you're not "one of them".

where was this held? parking lot feels familiar.
between then and now, how much would the toys here cost nowadays on the shelves? the 80s was prime time for army building but rising manufacturing costs led to much costlier toys nowadays.

Didn't one of the writers for the comic manage to alienate a bunch of people?

>Didn't one of the writers for the comic manage to alienate a bunch of people?

Aubrey Sitterson? Yeah, but it was part of IDW's deliberate marketing attempt to broadcast to the world that THEIR Joe was going to be totally different and appeal to a new generation of readers.

So Sitterson did Newsarama interviews where he said that he was a Socialist and would be writing GI Joe to fight for socialism against capitalism. He went on rants about 9/11 and how people who weren't in New York at the time cannot grieve, even if their family members and friends had died in the attack (he seemed to be doing this to be deliberately edgy since he wanted to portray himself as a Wrestling Heel on social media). In his Joe book, Scarlet formed a Strike Force of military recruits who had been discriminated against by the Heterosexual, Cisgendered, White authority figures. He made a big deal about having Quick Kick beat up Snake-Eyes as a commentary against Cultural Appropriation. And so on and so on.

Pretty much everything about Aubrey Sitterson's GI Joe run was done intentionally to ward away longtime Joe readers and attract Millennials. It wound up appealing to neither.

Idk about the American market but decades of world policing and exporting a culture telling people to hate them, has made non-americans very unlikely to buy AmericaFuckYeahMen. Especially when the media have made such an effort to portray terrorists as freedom fighters so that people won't be mistrustful towards migrants. The way I see it, only Adult Swim could bring the Joes back in a form resembling the original.

>and exporting a culture telling people to hate them, has made non-americans

Why do Americans do this? Why do they make movies about how shitty America is and then sell them to international markets so that they whole world thinks America is shitty? What do they have to gain from this?

>What do they have to gain from this?
less immigrants

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Oh my God, I remember that fucker.

Who the hell names his son Aubrey? Was he raised by Mandark's parents or something?

>he seemed to be doing this to be deliberately edgy since he wanted to portray himself as a Wrestling Heel on social media

That's the lamest fucking thing I have ever heard.

I heard they gonna do a spin off with him too but rock’s schedule is top full so they didn’t bother

how would a roadblock spin-off even work though?

he's a ninja with a gun who doesn't do quips. nowadays, that'll help him stand out from the crowd. but who would be the antagonist though? storm-shadow's a good guy now.

Not sure they said they’re considering spin offs they mentioned him but they went a long with snake eyes instead

His side kicks would probably do all quipping.

That won't work.
If only the Mongolians didn't wreck the Baghdad libraries

but if they didn't then how would the west have fared?

>Why do Americans do this? Why do they make movies about how shitty America is and then sell them to international markets so that they whole world thinks America is shitty? What do they have to gain from this?

See: There is an extremely profitable international market for media that portrays Americans as being every negative thing you can think of. Europeans empty their wallets for it, as do Russians and Asians and Aussies. Everyone wants to see Americans get what's coming to them, even if its just in fantasy media. Hollywood knows this and so they export media with tremendous anti-American slants because international markets will throw money at them for it.

Simple economics.

I wonder how The Rock by Michael Bay would fare as a GI Joe story. Except for the fancy vehicles a Joe civil war sounds interesting for a change (too many Cobra CWs).

Funnily enough, last I heard, Sitterson was hyping up his Big Book of how he knows everything about wrestling history or somesuch shit.

The live-action Street Fighter movie is still the best live-action GI Joe movie ever made.

Sitterson wrote 1 issue of a TMNT miniseries and it was actually pretty good, BUT that was only because it was about wrestling. Sitterson only knows how to write one thing.

Fuck i loved that movie and unironically liked his style but i think transformers made him dumb and lazy