Just how hard can you gasp at straws?

I look forward to ignoring this

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>Marvel tries to retcon a zero chemistry romance between two people who have little in common.

>Pre-Empire
Its been four and a half fucking years, Marvel, you gotta go past Empire. Oh, and actually start drawing your fucking comics instead of pasting faces from the films.

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Are they talking about before ESB or before ANH?

Pre-ESB

At least they didn't go full retard, not like it matter since they fucking divorce.

If I had to guess, they saw the criticism that TFA pandered too much to the old fans, so they asked that TLJ do what they can to distance themselves from the older continuity.

I miss the old EU of star wars, I ended up just moving to /m/ stuff.

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>you gotta go past Empire.
They can’t.
1. Post ROTJ continuity sucks. Especially since Cuck Wendig’s books are so shitty and boring. No one wants to write a story in that timeline because of all the boring books he and others wrote that are shit.
2. Continuity is still being planned. No one is allowed to touch the past of the sequel trilogy without proper clearance. And JJ is still putting on the finishing touches on Ep 9. And no one knows what is happening in that movie. So no one can make a comic about the Knights of Ren and Luke’s school until they are sure JJ is not going to acknowledge it. And even then they still have to go through the channels.

Ep 1-5 are the safest places to make stories.

what the fuck is up with that art?

Deodato.

They fucked up HARD with the st and realized their characters aren’t popular enough to bank on and they’ve lost a bunch of fans

>They gave the job to the same guy that handled X-Men/FF while they were in the shitter with Ike.
can you blame them? I don’t even think many avid defenders of Disney Star Wars at Marvel care enough about it to abandon their own book to go write a safe comic about Star Wars that will probably be ignored.

And now they're going back to the old stuff.

considering that even before disney the star wars EU was able to milk Boba Fett, the most minor of minor characters, i'd say they have plenty of straws left to grasp

What about an AU series set in the old EU continuity? They could do literally anything they want since it doesn't even nominally matter to the movies anymore.

>TFA pandered too much to the old fanshowndid leftist propaganda appeal to actual starwars fans?

Old EU is called Legends now, and they said that they wouldn't be using it.

That doesn't work because the comics have been relying on the OT era since the beginning

They should.

They shouldn't have scrubbed it in the first place but here we are.

Which reminds me, are they still bringing back Palpatine?

>and they said that they wouldn't be using it.
Then they scavenged Thrawn and used a passage from The Book of Sith to "validate" TLJ's projection thing.

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If the new Battlefront games are canon to the Disney continuity then he's already sorta back.

I never said that they weren't liars, TLJ went on and on about letting the past die and now they're backpedaling HARD.

>Especially since Cuck Wendig’s books are so shitty and boring.
I bought his Aftermath. I got bored a couple chapters in and haven't gone back to it.

I know only a little about his douchiness - i,e. saying that Lord of the Rings was terrible - has he been up to anything else noteworthy?

The problem with that is that there isn't any way to do it piecemeal, it has to be all or nothing. People only seem to remember the good times and forget what a mess Leland Chee let the EU become, the damn thing was stuck together with duct tape by the end and so full of retcons and contradictions (some of which were never even sorted out) that just by its nature it was reaching a point where it would need to be reset anyway. On top of that, the fact that you're making an entirely new sequel trilogy means that you pretty much have to drop everything post ROTJ anyway, which is already a massive chunk of the EU.

I can definitely see the issue of dropping the EU and then replacing it with garbage, but people act like there would've been a way to keep it AND make a new trilogy.

>TLJ went on and on about letting the past die
Do people miss the fact that Kylo was the one saying this? He was the one that wanted to just destroy everything. The actual movie's message is about not letting the past weigh you down, not about destroying it.

They realized that the OT and the PT make mad bank. Rebels started getting more views when people from TCW started showing up. Everyone loves Rogue One meanwhile TFA and TLJ are seen as crime against humanity. Comics about the OT sell more that ST comics
Nobody likes or cared abut the ST and the only reason TFA made money was not just because it's a new SW film but because it pandered hard to OT fans. And even then people still disliked it. TLJ made things even worse in that regard
Nobody liked the ST. Toys don't sell. Media doesn't sell. Comics don't sell. But what does sell in the OT and the PT. They shot and buried themselves with the ST and now they're desperately trying to Lazarus themselves when they wouldn't have had to do that had they not fucked up so bad

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They could've kept the good bits and reworked or just completely remake some other things instead of going Scorched Earth on the EU, I know why they did it but they still got rid of decades worth of stories to replace them with absolutely nothing interesting.

I think there's probably a significant overlap between people who think the movie is about destroying the past and people who think Yoda destroyed the books.

Besides, TFA did far more damage as far as shitting on the past than TLJ did. A lot of what TLJ does is just carrying on what TFA started. Even Luke being a depressed hobo who ran off out of shame is already implied in TFA.

Jesus Christ look at that art, it looks like one of those horrible porns where they poorly paste a face on another body and then attempt to cover it up with a shitty filter and paint job

>They could've kept the good bits and reworked or just completely remake some other things
They've been slowly doing that. They said from the beginning this is what they'd do. The new canon's only real problem is the post-ROTJ period, which is terrible. A lot of EU stuff has been slowly filtering in, but people don't pay attention because they're only paying attention to the movies and assuming that's all Star Wars is.

He was fired from Marvel for constantly starting shit on twitter.

Jake Skywalker also says it before Luke shows up and then dies and I think that Rey said it too. Who says it doesn't really matter because the movies were already doing that, Han and Leia are together? Nope, the got divorced, Luke is rebuilding the Jedi Order? Nope, he tried to kill his nephew and ran away with his tail between his legs, the New Republic is going to undo all the damage that the Empire did? Nope, they got wiped out in a couple of movies and apparently the shit that happened in the OT turned into myths just one generation after

I know they've been doing that with books, comics and games but it doesn't feel like they were planning on doing that from the beginning, it's like they fucked up and now they're going back to the stuff that worked on the EU and making it fit with their new timeline.
Maybe I'm just still pissed that they got rid of Kyle Katarn.

But all of that happened thanks to TFA. TLJ didn't do any of that.

That's why I said that the person that says it doesn't matter and that the movies were doing that on their own.

>but it doesn't feel like they were planning on doing that from the beginning
They literally said this back in 2014 when the EU purge was first announced. It was stated in the initial announcement/press release for it. They've been doing this from the beginning, they didn't just suddenly start throwing in EU elements after TLJ's reception.

The Disneyverse post RotJ timeline is completely unsalvageable, especially if you're a fan of the old EU timeline. A lot of old favorite characters can't exist in their universe and they've made the post rotj universe suck so much that the ones they could try to reintroduce you probably wouldn't want them to.

>Luke will actually learn about midichlorians

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>especially if you're a fan of the old EU timeline
Good thing I'm not.
I never cared about the post-ROTJ EU, so when it was wiped clean I was hopeful. It got replaced by shit, but since I lost nothing of value and gained nothing of value, I broke even.

The weird attempts to make the EU and TCW fit have been purged so now TCW stands on its own, so that's a net gain for me.

>They literally said this back in 2014 when the EU purge was first announced
Do you have some sources for that? Because I remember Disney saying that they wouldn't use the EU.

Please put in some of the events from Heir to the Jedi, especially the noodle-bending.

what is it about Harrison Ford's face that artists can't ever get quite right? OP pic, BFII, etc. He always looks a little off while other actors look fine.

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look at this shit

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And then near-immediately started adding in bits and pieces from it. Everyone with a brain figured that's what they were gonna do anyways.

Purge it all so you don't have to adhere to a retarded continuity, but poach some good bits here and there. They fucked it up cause they're fuck ups, but that doesn't retroactively make the EU as a whole not horrible.

You might be remembering Disney saying the EU wouldn't be used as a reference for the ST, which is different from saying EU elements will never appear in the new canon.

I knew about Rebels keeping stuff, anyways thanks for clearing it up

I never said that the EU was a bible that had to be followed to a T, but I'd take shit with some good stuff here and there over nothing.

Probably.

Don't they realize that they poisoned the well for good when it comes to the old characters? Who cares about expanding more on Han, we know that in the end his wife will leave him, his friend Luke will abandon him, he'll get killed by his shitty son and go mostly unmourned.
Who cares about expanding on Luke? We know in the end he'll just die from force skyping after he abandons everything he ever stood for and pussied out on an island for years while space Nazis took over the galaxy

Why does Luke need training?

Can’t he just pick up a lightsaber and automatically become amazing at it and defeat Sith?

He's not a woman, silly!

Isn’t this kinda pointless now that anyone can easily become a Jedi Master without training and lift mountains?

Only women instinctively know how to wield phallic objects, user.

Thank fucking god. What nonce that was

Honestly, the absolute best thing Disney COULD have done is a timeskip. Why do we all hate the ST? We hate it because it shits on the end of ROTJ. It ruins the afterstory of Han, Leia, Luke, and the Rebellion more broadly, because the ST makes it so that their achievements are actually hollow and meaningless. The Rebellion is ultimately a failure because the New Republic lasts less than 50 years. Han is ultimately a failure who fucks off and returns to his old miserable life. Leia is ultimately a failure because the Rebellion, which she devoted her life to, fails. Luke is ultimately a failure because his dreams to restore the Jedi all come to naught.

So, what we needed was a timeskip. Vault forward 100, 200, even 500 years. Give the galaxy space to breathe. Let the Rebellion's victory actually stand as a pivotal moment in the galaxy's history, and show us what's happened in the following centuries as the restored Republic and Jedi have moved forward. THEN dump a new crisis onto the laps of the new characters you introduce.

If you need OT cameos, then have flashbacks showing Han, Luke, and Leia. Also have Luke appear as a Force ghost to the latest generation of Jedi protagonists.

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>Also have Luke appear as a Force ghost to the latest generation of Jedi protagonists.
Luke as the personae of a holocron.

This guy gets it

Not a bad idea either.

>Honestly, the absolute best thing Disney COULD have done is a timeskip.
Disney didn't drop four-billion on a sure thing to have to work for any immediate returns, user. That combines with their understanding, dim though it is, that they can't create new ideas only rehash old ones to ensure that they'd try to use the OT trio as fast as possible. That still could have worked, if they'd used this trilogy to show the aging OT era characters handing off the galaxy to a new generation of heroes and heroines as they face a new set of enemies. Instead they gave us the OT characters stepping on their metaphorical dicks, then dropping the galaxy into the gutter. In skilled hands, even that might have worked, but skilled hands are both expensive and over committed, which takes me full circle.

>But what about the gold dice?!!!!!
I don't understand that.

>they wouldn't be using it.
they say a lot of things.

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The only thing they can do is announce that 7-9 are noncanon.

>all the changes they made to the post-ROTJ timeline only made it worse

There was no canon post-RotJ timeline before Disney made it.

Why do I even come to these threads, my knowledge of SW is surface-level and and I barely remember what happened in most of the films.

>There was no canon post-RotJ timeline before Disney made it.
So? That doesn't change the problem with their work - it has driven off more people than it has attracted. Not even the PT managed to do that.

So they didn't make any "changes"
You can't change something that never existed.

>tfw I love the original trilogy
>I enjoyed the PT for what it was
>I'm enjoying the ST and the few Star Wars Stories

I enjoy star wars, come at me mother fuckers.

The original intention was probably to make the new characters look good. This is also rumored to be what happened to the new Galaxy's Edge park section, the OT and PT characters were deemphasized for ST-era stuff.

There's also the problem that Marvel can't really do anything about the ST. If you believe the rumors about what happened on the making of TFA, JJ was getting into conflicts with the story group and keeping much stuff in there close to his chest, to the point where some people like Pablo only learned of changes in TFA when they saw the finished film in theaters.

>So they didn't make any "changes"
They changed a vacuum into something that sucked even harder.

So classic Star Wars then?

Go back to the shop and get better bait, user.

>See news about Galaxy's Edge tv
>nu-troopers parading around
For fuck's sake, no one likes those melted, Ipod-esque toads over the original/clone troopers

Star Wars only gets worse the more is added to it, everyone knows this.

this jumped the sarlacc when they jumped the sarlacc.

They wanted an immediate short term gain of all the fans coming back. The best way to do that is nostalgia bait. The OT cast was way too old for elaborate stunts at this point so their best bet was a soft reboot.

It worked and they broke all kinds of records but clearly didn't think terribly far ahead. Then Rian Johnson came in and wanted to have no gap between movies which means no place for tie in stuff to take place. Then a bunch of stuff got rewritten.

The end result is that you have no room for a Sequel Trilogy tie in story. Battlefront 2 TRIED to do that a little with DLC but they physically could not go past The Last Jedi. Resistance spent it's whole first season milling about until it hit that point in the story in the very last episode. The Poe Dameorin prequel comic spent YEARS spinning wheels because it had basically no room to grow.

When the prequels were coming out Lucasfilm went all in. You had a new novel set in that era like every 3 months after TPM happened.

Fuck off, Mike, your bullshit is half the reason we're in this mess right now.

Literally the applied their standard “disneyfication” template to the property and this is the first time it blew up in their face. All the other times they did it it paid off, but that falls into the fact that usually they do it to properties that are being adapted from other mediums, so most criticism is dropped due to “silver screen” limitations. Star War fans were already movie fans, so Disney had no good excuses for why everything was so bleh.

Disney also fucked up because it’s obvious they wanted to reboot the franchise, but they were afraid of alienating the core fanbase. They decided to split the difference and broke the fanbase in two.

Oh, I remember that.

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>praises TFA for its blatant nostalgia baiting
>shits on RO for its blatant nostalgia baiting
hmmm

The golden dice he has since his Solo movie? The one Luke gives to Leia before vanishing?

No, I mean why did it vanish in TLJ?

Because it was also a Force Projection, though it's weird how it was still partially tangible despite Luke clearly not being affected by anything Kylo did. In all fairness he could've been a semi-solid.

Because they know they fucked up with all the new stuff, and the old stuff is all anyone gives a shit about.

Which they ruined.

>Literally the applied their standard “disneyfication” template to the property and this is the first time it blew up in their face
After seeing what they did to marvel? It's so good seeing it fuck them up. I hope they sell the property.

>giving him pupils

Also didn't they bring him in just to job?

>tfw Lucas buys his own studio back from Disney at pennies on the dollar

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>On top of that, the fact that you're making an entirely new sequel trilogy means that you pretty much have to drop everything post ROTJ anyway, which is already a massive chunk of the EU.
Or you could just adapt the good bits and leave out the shit.

Thrawn trilogy would have been great movies if you update it a bit to fall in with prequel lore.

Legacy would have also been great, but that opens the Vong can of worms.

This. They'll have to do that to win back the crowd.

>They've been slowly doing that.
They literally can't do that, since a large part of the EU was post-RoTJ and everything that established has been completely pissed on by the ST.

Honestly, some mix of the Thrawn Trilogy and Dark Empire would make a great ST, even with all the original actors being older. In the first movie, Thrawn comes back from the Unknown Regions and rallies the broken chunks of the Empire together into an attack on the New Republic. In the second movie, the Republic suffers a big loss AND, in a shocking twist, Palpatine reveals that he's still alive in his clone bodies. Thrawn pledges his allegiance to the Emperor and Luke reluctantly joins him, thinking that he'd need to destroy Sheev from the inside. Final movie, the New Republic rallies itself, and Luke's infant Jedi Order, including Leia who's been training as a Jedi, launch a desperate mission to save Luke and destroy Sidious once and for all.

>Don't they realize that they poisoned the well for good when it comes to the old characters?
This. There's no way to fix this stuff unless they make the ST a huge what if.

I want Mark to buy it.

And then give it to Lucas.

They'd just have to bite the bullet and recast, man, if we want that OG Thrawn goodness.

They should have just adapted the main plot of Legacy. It's a whole new galaxy and Luke being an old as fuck force ghost actually makes sense.

What's Hamill's net worth these days?

>they said that they wouldn't be using it.
They brought Princess Kneesaa back into canon from that silly Ewoks show, you know Disney is completely out of ideas on what to do with Star Wars.

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>Of all the things they pick from the EU, it's the fucking ewok princess

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>Disney is completely out of ideas
Disney has always stolen from the stories of the past. What's funny is that thanks to their bought and paid for extensions to copyright they're stuck stealing from themselves now.

The absolute worst thing Disney has done is to completely banish Lucas from all consideration of Star Wars. Like, you'd think they'd eventually call George up from time to time and ask him if he has any ideas.

On the other hand, maybe they HAVE done that, but George screens their calls, and every time he sees Kathleen Kennedy's number on his cell phone he smiles a little smile.

I almost think that's why they and all the other studios decided against doing another copyright extension and caused the 1923 stuff to go PD this year.

Are the 2020's gonna be the decade of Disney going bankrupt?

They allegedly report that JJ talked to him for Rise of Skywalker, but honestly I don't think it'll help because there's a deadline crunch and Abrams didn't really have that great a track record going by Force Awakens.

Let's not kid ourselves, George's idea for the trilogy would've been about the Whills, which are midichlorians on steroids. Not saying the ST is any better but they'd just be a different kind of shitty.

He's literally visited the set for every movie they've made except TFA. Filoni still consulted him while making Rebels.

George's idea for the trilogy sounds like it wouldn't be that different from what we got. The execution would probably be very different, but a lot of the core ideas were there: Empire 2.0, Han and Leia's son having had a falling out at some point (though he would be the Finn character, becoming a stormtrooper that defects), Luke having lost his Jedi Order, etc. I think he would've handled those with more finesse though.

>handled it with more finesse
Nigga he was talking about having microbiotic organisms that "feed off the Force and really control the universe" driving people around "like cars." That's a direct fucking quote. MICROORGANISMS DRIVING PEOPLE AROUND LIKE CARS.

>He's literally visited the set for every movie they've made except TFA.
That doesn't mean he had any input into them.
>Filoni still consulted him while making Rebels.
Filoni's not stupid. If you look at the Clone Wars extras, you realize that he and everyone else realized that Lucas' vision had to dominate.

Star Wars was always shit.

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If nothing else we would've at least gotten new ships instead of lightly tweaked X-Wings and TIEs again. A lot less OT wankery in general.

>LUCAS WAS BANISHED FROM STAR WARS
>actually they still talk to him
>NUH UH DOESN'T COUNT

Didn't he already do this?

Reality already does that. You aren’t just controlled by your brain.

YOU LIE

No, you lie. To yourself.

I know he visited Solo, did he visit TLJ?

I am serious, the microbes in your body get a frightening amount of say in what you do. Even worse is that the you in “your” head isn’t incomplete control and isn’t just one person.

He would've doubled down hard on midichlorians.
Sure, but is that what you want out of your Star Wars? Would it mean more to you if "good" microscopic beings were puppeting Luke Skywalker to fight Darth Vader, who was also being manipulated by teeny tiny quarks and strings and shit?

NO NO NO NO

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>Hold my beer. - mobile suit gundam

slashfilm.com/star-wars-the-last-jedi-built-sets-george-lucas/
According to this, he did

Feel free to post links to the current crop of mediocre masters listening to Lucas' input.

The state of Gundam is somehow even more depressing than the state of Star Wars. What the fuck happened?

Yeah. It would be interesting. The force is a quasi religion, so in a sense he would be facing his gods. Seems like it could be an interesting story.

An interesting premise handled by George Lucas. You can't be such an obtuse Lucas ball-licker that you can really believe that such a story would be handled with any semblance of delicacy or subtlety. And just like with midichlorians, he'd be removing all mysticism from the Force, reducing it to pseudo-scientific bullshit intended to be pulpy but instead beating viewers over the head with details that not only don't need explaining, but detract from the wonder of the story.

Yeesh, you’re acting like the force is some sacred thing in star wars. Literal first movie someone calls it a hockey religion. And that plays into your false dichotomy that force having representatives immediately turns it into the non mystical. Sure most religions places the spirts and gods as beings of our or larger size, but a few have the divine as smaller. But why am arguing with you, you are just a dismissive small-brain cocksucker too high on the smell of his dick cheese.

Every time you sleep, your personality dies and is rebuilt.

Sweet dreams.

What?

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Why do people constantly forget that the whole "kill the past" thing is the philosophy espoused BY THE BAD GUY?

Here we see the real problem with the ST: it's so fucking terrible that bad ideas like the Whills are treated like comparative gold. Whereas midichlorians were heavily criticized at their poor handling and introduction, the ST was so shit that midichlorians 2.0 not only seems like not a bad idea, but a palatable one. The Force having representatives might not, in and of itself, make it non-mystical, but George was specifically trying to assign a scientific reasoning to the Force by comparing midichlorians to mitochondria. Furthermore, you assume that adding fairies to a beautiful garden is going to make it more beautiful. Spoilers, faggot: it wouldn't.

Ever played SOMA? Your continuity of consciousness ends when you sleep.

People don't, it's just that the director also went all in on that philosophy.

>Your continuity of consciousness ends when you sleep
user don't do this to me.

But he didn't. Most of the shit people blame Johnson for is directly attributable to Abrams. TFA did a lot more to kill the past than TLJ did.

The midichlorians were criticized by idiots who were looking for more reasons to be, relatively justifiably, mad. Nothing about them were lore breaking and you can read the complaints to see people were either willfully or actually being stupid about them.

On the upside, this means star trek style teleporters aren't that different.

You are just a sequence of matter arranged in a you shape that thus behaves as such.

I could've lived my whole life without knowing that I'm just matter pretending to be me, thanks user.

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Were you older than 10 when that movie even came out? Everyone fucking hated them. Whether or not it was lore breaking is debatable but ultimately pointless, because the problem isn't whether they CAN be explained within the context of the story, but that it doesn't NEED to be. From, "The Force is an energy field created by all living things, it binds us and penetrates us and keeps the universe together," to "They live inside me?" It doesn't add anything on, it just makes it needlessly more complex. Complexity doesn't always make things better. I don't know how you don't understand this. Are you actually on the autistic spectrum? Like, not in the Yea Forums way, but seriously?

Except midichlorians aren't literally the Force and never have been. You fell for a dumb meme because you didn't actually listen to what was said in the movie. Now you're mad about something that was never even true to begin with.

Abrams definitely deserves a lot of blame for how bad the Sequel Trilogy is, but I feel like blaming only Abrams or Johnson more just downplays the problems the other did.

>unironically getting upset about to much complexity about 4 lines of dialogue
>asking if others have autism
Sorry bro, you are alone on this one. I have literally lost the will to elaborate on how the OT tossed out worldbuilding lines like crazy or how it midis would be decent for shadowing of the third trilogy. Your autism is to aggrevating.

I'm not saying Abrams is solely responsible, but I'm just baffled that Johnson is the one who gets all the flack for it.

Don't be too worked up, user, souls are real and your continued self is stored in your immortal self.

I think the difference is that Johnson's problems aren't really part of the "kill the past" issue. It's ironic because his movie is the one that has that line in it, but TLJ did very little to actually kill the past, while TFA's entire foundation is built on killing the past. Johnson's problem is more about failing to tell an entertaining story and treating all of his characters like morons while adding nothing of value. But he's not the one that killed the past.

Ironically, despite the bitching about RLM in this thread, their Plinkett review of TLJ pinpoints the entire problem with the movie: that it's structured like a zany comedy, and the plot is primarily moved forward by the slapstick behavior and poor decisions of the main cast.

Disney knew there was a 99% chance that no matter what they did that star wars fanboys were so desperate for anything star wars that they would still watch anything with star wars in the title so they got greedy & went after the people who had never seen anything star wars. Problem was the Disney movies were so bad they drove all the die hard fans away so Disney is now force to chase after the non star wars fans even more

>it's also a comic
I mean, the market for comics in general already sucks now, and they're trying to capitalize on the characters they cucked themselves out of. Yeah that should go well.

Well, unless the last movie somehow retcons everything spetacularly, which it won't.

What's the point? I know he ends up a deadbeat dad killed by his emo son, and her the leader of soviet expies. Who gives a shit?

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It isn't the fandoms job to scan every possible piece of media for scraps of what they want. Its Lucasfilm's job to actually put that media out and make sure the fans know it's coming out.

What the fans want has been pretty simple so far. More single player games like Jedi Academy or Kotor. More tie ins to current stories like the clone wars multimedia project. Shows and spin offs with original stories featuring characters that are likable and have their own place instead of taking over am established characters space.

When thashi st comes out it does well. Battlefront 2 got given a chance despite its red flags and Gavankar was a popular actor with fans based on charisma alone. Dr. Aphra is still ongoing. Fallen Order has hype despite BF2's shit gameplay leaving a taste in everyone's mouth.

Lucasfilms problem is it insists it knows what we like despite being told contrary. We get a bunch of stuff that doesn't do what popular old stuff used to, the same tired bit of "badass dude in a helmet is actually a girl" literally three times now, and everything even vaguely good is pushed back because Lucasfilm insists on using writers and directors for popular shit despite those guys dying critically every time they don't have a brand as a shield.

You seriously underestimate how popular the ewoks material is with fans. It may not have been the majority's cup of tea but they had a special brand of autism that has been stewing since the OT ended. They buy any shit with Ewoks and the movies and show mean they basically have an entire universe of lore at best vaguely related to everything else.

"badass dude in a helmet is actually a girl"
Enfys was good intel she take her helmet! aand start the rebellion talk and good Guy shit!

To be honest, after the mindfuck that is Holdo’s approach to communication in a crisis I don’t blame everyone for misunderstanding whatever message Disney is trying to send. Other than “buy stuff”, of course.

user, go to sleep. You’re drunk.

I don't know. Pablo Hidalgo held a poll where you ended up a sexist for saying you won't blindly obey the admiral's orders. And Claudia Grey shilled for that ''''''scientific'''''' study where you are a racist sexist bigot for not liking Disney SW.

and they miss the point even people complain ...they like TFA

>gasp at straws
is that an euphemism for sucking cocks?

>Do people miss the fact that Kylo was the one saying this?

Yes.

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What's even the point of retconning when Carrie Fisher is fucking dead for real? Hamill is right, Disney should have had one last teamup with Han, Leia, and Luke. Now they never can.

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Because JJ wanted a fresh break and Disney doesn't give a shit about the fans. Unfortunately it turns out that he's a total hack and Rian is worse, so you have an army of actual fans trying to fix everything behind the scenes with novels and comic books. It's a fucking mess and everything wrong with the old system is still there, only now there's a civil war in the fandom and no Lucas to occasionally toss shit out.

We can only hope it bombs this year and Disney fires everyone involved.

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Thank JJ and Kathleen for that. They thought no one would care about MaRey Sue and sweaty funny black man, if the old cast were together in the movie so they sidelined them.

I think they were right about TLJ but wrong on TFA.

are they gonna give a reason why leia hugged rey when she found out han died instead of his best friend?

Them comparing it to National Lampoon's Vacation was really good. Really made me realize how the whole movie, but especially the entire Finn/Rose plot, feels like slapstick.

Its like Blue Check Mark Star Wars has never seen Star Wars

the past of star wars was "sexist and racist"
tha´s why sjw disney killed it.
now they are gonna remake it in their progressive and feminist ways.
get ready for han to be even more emasculated and lea even more "empowered"

this the trilogy was already doomed form the start
especially with those garbage new characters and ugly actors

My problem with the new trilogy is that they think lighthearted equals to funny.
I seriously don't understand why they started their supposedly darkest movie of the trilogy with a your momma joke.
It just feels so awkward, they really try to emulate the humor of the MCU movies but SW was never meant to be a comedy.
George tried that with Jar Jar and nobody liked it.

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>I seriously don't understand why they started their supposedly darkest movie of the trilogy with a your momma joke.
Because they're bad writers trying to stamp their own preferences on the wrong genre.

Shut up and consume bigot.

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>Everyone loves Rogue One
granted its the best thing to come out of disneywars but let's not say anything we'll regret here

So the next one will be directed by Mel Brooks?

nearly spat my tea out god damn

Hot frickin damn.

>enjoyed all the Disney movies except TLJ
I mean I kinda get where you're coming from

>everyone loved the last 5 minutes of rogue one
FTFY kid

Who cares? Luke fails anyway

>They thought no one would care about MaRey Sue and sweaty funny black man, if the old cast were together in the movie so they sidelined them.
And they were right. They just didn't realize that nobody would care about them even without the OT crew

>>EP7
>>Luke, Leia and Han are back guys
>>don't even have all 3 of them together for one last time
It was so fucking easy to do... yet they found a way to botch it.

EU fags just mad that now their books are all in the fanon trash heap where they belonged and Disney is only going to use the three or four things that were actually good from it.

No, it’s somehow not. Like for all the shit fans give we are getting a new movie trilogy and while it’s obvious NT was a dud, it’s not like Gundam gunpla sales are down.

At this point, the only thing I would be interested is a story where Luke is told more details about Anakin Skywalker's heroic exploits as a Jedi from other people who knew him, thus explaining why Luke was so utterly convinced that Anakin could be redeemed. Furthermore, the people who Anakin talks to, like Rex or Mothma, all speculate that if Luke is Anakin's son, his mother is most likely Padmé Amidala, and Luke goes to Naboo to find out more about his supposed mother and pay his respects.
So basically, the Star Wars book would stop just being Original Trilogy wank, and would divide time with flashbacks to the prequel era. There would be focus on characters beyond just Luke, Han, Chewie and the Droids.

Did the original EU ever say when Luke found out who his Mother was?

Nah, they just kinda gave him those nebulous "This defeat merely furthers my plan"/"This setback has furthered my knowledge of the enemy."-type things. He got his big win in the S3 finale, and then only jobbed when LaserSlingBoi brought in the Space Whales.

It took me a while they meant "Empire Strikes Back" and not "Before the Empire was formed"

Also, how much can they fucking cram in the gap between A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back? Just fucking move on to Shadows of the Empire!

>But it is just so weird for them to “KILL THE PAST”
You do realize the villain says that line, right?

...aren't the middle and bottom the same thing?

Isn't there like a 3-year timskip between NH and Empire?

They aren't using the main continuity, but they are recycling the fucking shit out of the EU's ideas and a lot of the "background character backstories" keep getting re-used in guides.

They gave Thrawn pupils because animators need eyes to be expressive.

Ah that's what the prequels were missing. More "Mystery Boxes"

And hanging on one of the most odd parts the AT-ATs

that's what a face is for

That last Clone Wars arc of Yoda going on that vision quest to learn how to Force Ghost and going to the Midichlorian planet was basically place-setting for George's sequel plans and that was one of the coolest arcs in the series.

Well Harrison Ford was a big bitch about it and Abrams didn't have the Charm, Balls nor give a shit to convince him to stick around.

Coupled with Iger having his head up is ass about making "Their Star Wars."

Wouldn't it have made more sense to have Han die in between movies?
That at least would've avoided the stupid divorce shit.

Yea have him been doing something heroic and his last message a holographic callback to Leia's he gives his farewell speech about his life and what everyone has meant to him. That introduces the First Order as an Imperial remaining faction that has been building forces in deep space and has been responsible for the hit and run abductions the New Republic has been looking into for decades.

That's where you're wrong; Lucas was asked for his approval for every bit of Star Wars media that wanted the official license, and was made canon by his words. Face it, the Mouse shot itself in the foot, and came to the conclusion that the best treatment is to amputate.

Is Shadows of the Empire still canon?

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But if the heroes from the OT don't fuck up and the republic doesn't implode, then there would be no galaxy that needs to be saved from the newest menace.
Nah, the biggest problem of the sequel trilogy is still the fact that it's mostly about the OT characters.

Why couldn't we have gotten a Finn and Poe buddy cop movie that was basically Space Balls

>Wouldn't it have made more sense to have Han die in between movies?
Harrison Ford wanted to make sure that Han Solo undeniably dies in the movie, with absolutely no way for him to have possibly faked his death or just pretending to be dead or whatever. Han Solo must die onscreen. Period.

Jesus Christ, why?
Does he hate the character that much?

In my heart

Pablo is a corporate booklicker who repeatedly attacks fans so good on JJ.

Apparently the proto script, prior to RJ being brought on, was rejected because it placed a greater emphasis on Luke and Leia, and KK didn't like that at all.

I agree. Scrape reminds me of abortion. So do the modern Star Wars films.

And now it's unfixable. Fisher is dead and none of your weird CGI nonsense can bring her back.

Yes, the sympathetic villiain and the sentiment was further espoused by the entire production team in copious amounts of interviews.

Both are at fault but at least Jar Jar could have made a interesting trilogy if Disney wasn't retarded and switch directors mid trilogy and if Ruin didn't shit on all the plot threads Jar Jar set up.
While TFA had a lot of problems TLJ just made the problems worse.

Well because Rian was a lot more in you're face.
With him actively shitting on fans about Snoke.
Ruining Luke's character.
Killing a fan favorite, Ackbar just to introduce one of the worst characters in the star wars.
Canto Bight or whatever being a huge waste of time.
Hyper space ramming.
Leia Poppins

Yeah their TFA "review" was just them shitting on the prequels again. Which was rather disappointing.

Did we ever find out who Max von Sydow was supposed to be? Or was that more thrown out plot

The EU was NEVER canon.
>then there would be no galaxy that needs to be saved from the newest menace.
There's always a new menace, user. It's a big galaxy, after all. At least it used to be a big galaxy

But user, that's an intelligent creative decision. We're talking about a franchise headed by studio executives and actuaries

>The EU was NEVER canon.

Never, user?

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Who gives a shit about canon, the EU was far more enjoyable than anything Disney shat out. SW fags are fucking annoying with labeling, hailing the new stuff like the holy grail just because it has the Canon label.

Finally someone got it right. Why is everyone here ignoring this?

Disney and it's SJW behave like Imperialists themselves. They put in strong wamen in all the old and new storylines, often into strategic spots so everything ever happened only and primarily thanks to them, which is ideological imperialism, it's a culture war. Same thing like what they did to Doctor Who. Whoever doesn't see that, is ignorant.

Also the quality of any of this is so low.

All the new movies except Rogue One should not be considered part of the canon. Doesn't matter Disney owns it, they messed up in a intolerable way. None of that ever happened, if they move on with that there needs to be fanart which irgnores the IP and the Disney shitshow. Fell free to produce stuff and offer it via Tor, OpenBasar, etc. and take Bitcoins for it. It's public domain now, these fuckers lost it. I also support doing things like Anti-Cheese-Cuts where ever possible.

I spend my money on freelancer comics, anime and games.
torrentfreak.com/

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No clue just someone around who at least remembered that Leia was royalty.

I just wish they'd jump to Shadows of the Empire time already but I'm sure they'll only do that if numbers start to really drop.

Everyone liked some of the superficial aspects of Rogue One. They liked the nostalgia, they liked the battles, they liked visuals, etc. But the core of the film was garbage - weak story, weaker characters.

Rebels copping a feel from EU Thrawn doesn't make the EU version canon.

I think he shows up in the Poe comic.

Not sure you know what the word "never" means.

of course, of course. they're just making EU characters canon in a desperate bid for relevance from the fans they don't want in their fandom.

>it’s not like Gundam gunpla sales are down.
that's the reason why the OYW time period alone is a freaking mess with all the unique gundams running around.
and that's not even putting thunderbolt into the equation.

Lucas himself said it wasn't, user. At the time, his word was law.

>at the time

Now I'm in agreement with that other user. You have no idea what the word Never means.

I wouldn’t be too surprised that after episode 9 this franchise starts to struggle in the long run when the OT nostalgia well starts to dry up
I mean like 20 or 30 years after 9 comes out are people really going to be super nostalgic for the sequel trilogy and its characters to the same extent people right now are for the OT and its characters?

Borrowing characters from the EU doesn't canonize the EU. Paying Zahn to try to breath life into Disney's Canon with a Xerox of one of his better EU characters also doesn't make that EU character canon. Only the smudged copy is canon.
>they're just making EU characters canon in a desperate bid for relevance
That's basically it. What character created after the buyout has a large group of loyal fans? Disney and the current Lucasfilm can't create new IP to save their alleged souls.
>from the fans they don't want in their fandom.
They don't want the fans; they do want the fans' money.

OP, would you rather they just ignore that aspect of the characters?

Not OP but yes since we already know what happens so even if they made something so sweet and heartfelt in the back of our minds' we know that they just get a divorce anyway.

The comic in question takes place directly before ESB. It makes sense that we'd see romantic tension there, because we know what happens in the movie. It's even implied in the movie that there's been romantic tension before the events.

I enjoy that you gave me two (you)s but the fact that you couldn't tell which of my posts was honest and which was sarcastic worries me.

Wasn't she still banging Luke before Empire? Is this going to be some NTR shit?

They knew pretty well what they were doing, too. The one reason for hype in the trailers for TFA was Han and Chewie's "we're home" shot.

>Why is everyone here ignoring this?
Because you're a simple-minded fool. Disney is a soulless conglomerate focused on churning out in offensive crap to maximize profits in a safe, reliable manner. Their only agenda is profit and the making of future profit.

The old EU was as canon as the new EU is now; the films aren't beholden to anything and contradictions are inevitable. The goal of the story curator isn't to rein in the filmmakers, it's to keep the other material from impinging on the films. They'll say otherwise, but that's because they're pretending they're one big, happy company; they don't have George Lucas openly admitting he's the final authority.

>That's where you're wrong; Lucas was asked for his approval for every bit of Star Wars media that wanted the official license, and was made canon by his words.
That's not how it worked, though. He gave approval, but that didn't mean he actually considered canon. He's explicitly said this. For example, he liked Dark Empire, but has stated that the Emperor doesn't come back in his Star Wars. Lucas saying "okay, go ahead and publish that" isn't the same as him saying "this is now officially part of my canon."

That's why Lucas considered there to be two pillars of continuity: the Lucas Pillar, and the "Licensing" Pillar.

>With him actively shitting on fans about Snoke.
Did anyone honestly care about Snoke beyond whatever bullshit theories they had?
>Ruining Luke's character.
TFA already did that. Rian didn't help, but the notion of Luke getting depressed and abandoning everything out of guilt because his order died was already stated in TFA.

>Did anyone honestly care about Snoke beyond whatever bullshit theories they had?
They didn't. People bitching about Snoke are almost entirely bitching about their pet theory being made pointless because he was killed off. He was a poor man's Palpatine and killing him off was one of the few good decisions Rian made. The character never should've existed in the first place, but JJ couldn't make Star Wars without copying the OT so he just had to have his own Emperor so we get Sheev 2: Sheever.

Dunce.

TFA only implied Luke felt he needed to go somewhere instead of staying, nothing implied he gave up. The original ending for TFA is Luke meditating around a bunch of rocks he is floating, but that didn’t fit with Rian’s plan so he asked for it to be changed.

Nobody cared about Snoke in the sense of “boy do I like this character”, but they did care in the sense that Snoke’s story would explain how everything turned out the way it did.
Things fans needed Snoke for:
>How did he get the resources to make the Empire+
>Why were people willing to follow him
>How did he manage to corrupt Ben
>How did he secretly become so powerful without the Emperor noticing

Outside of that nobody really cares about Snoke. He is the apparent lynchpin of the entire justification of the events of the sequel, but all we know is the guy is schizophrenic in his characterization.

>TFA only implied Luke felt he needed to go somewhere instead of staying, nothing implied he gave up.
Han outright says Luke blamed himself and ran off.

You realize none of those questions require him to be alive in order to answer them, right?

Yeah and a one year between it and ROTJ.

So the OT really just takes place over the course of four years. Roughly.

The jews got carried away and cared more about subverting than about making money

He also says most people assumed he went out looking for something. It was deliberately ambiguous, because anything else scares JJ.

Sure, but the fact they killed him off in movie two of three doesn’t leave people with the impression they will get the answer in the third. Hence all the comments of “guess we need to go buy the books to find out”.

The problem with Snoke is that there was never anything to work with. These questions have no answers because the person who created him had no interest in creating any answers. He just needed a new Emperor, that's all that mattered. We already know how the Empire became the First Order, we already know how Snoke got his hands on Kylo, the only real mysteries there are why Snoke is in charge and exactly where he came from- neither of those answers are going to magically make the ST better.

I wouldn't call this grasping at straws as much as beating the sun-dried bones of a dead horse.

The logic was "We're making everything new and these actors are old and dying anyway. We'll make a new generation of lovable characters! Just like star trek!"

then they hired some of the worst directors ever for making consistent, human characters. Which resulted in a rogues gallery of people no one cares about or remembers. No one is going to remember Rose or the technician guy whose name I can't even remember in ten years. I barely remember them now.

Can we get Shadows of the Empire storylines again? If we're not going past empire, I want to at least enjoy what little of it we had.

It requires him being alive for people to care about them. Now that he's dead, no one gives a shit.

>Did anyone honestly care about Snoke beyond whatever bullshit theories they had?

None of the villains other than Snoke are really believable as threats in TFA. Even Kylo. The audience would have to wonder how powerful Snoke is to have gotten the First Order mobilized and why everything went to shit after the end of ROTJ, and so everyone would just focus on Snoke instead because there's a mystery around him.

In TLJ the other villains were still a joke (even as Kylo gets a bit more development), but now Snoke is easily killed, so now all the villains are jokes and the Resistance is a bigger joke. People think Kylo is a great villain but he has temper tantrums and got beat by Rey twice. That's less compelling than Prequel-era Anakin and Darth Vader.

Roy Thomas talked about what was considered canonical in Star Wars, in an issue of Alter Ego:

>During my conference with George Lucas about post-movie storylines for the comic held in his office at Universal soon after the opening of the instant-blockbuster film, I asked him how he planned to keep straight all the various new emanations of the Star Wars universe—novels, comicbooks, comic strips, etc.—that were now bound to conflict with the film and with each other. George responded simply and straightforwardly with what remains my favorite all-time comment on Star Wars matters: ‘What happens in the movies is gospel. Everything else is gossip.’ Nobody could have put it better.

Nostalgiabucks

When did you realize that Mike Stoklasa was absolutely wrong about absolutely everything?

Retard answer- After his TFA review.
Slightly slow but not quite drooling answer- after getting tricked by the Plinkett reviews and then over time realizing that Mike was just an asshurt nostalgiababby that framed opinions as facts and namedropped famous movies like Citizen Kane to sound smart.
Real nigga answer- At the part of the TPM review where Mike acts like Midichlorians demystify the force.

P.S.
George was the common element of the OT.
Kasdan and Kershner were not involved with ANH.
The Hyucks were not involved with ESB.
Kasdan was never good as evidenced by TFA. George was carrying Kasdan's dead weight.
George had no co director on the set of ANH.
Joe Johnston has said that ESB is "more of a Lucas film than a Kershner film".

etc etc etc

I have a question, what do you call the people who realized Mike Stoklasa was wrong after watching his Plinkett TLJ review?

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According to that answer, they'd be below retard.

So how are retards who said KYLO REPRESENTS THE AUTISTIC FANS going to cope when he ends up with Rey?

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Yeah there was some book or another that came out after RotS. I think he saw hologram footage of her dying?

By all accounts, he represents the ST films & the fans of ST. In TFA, he's a mindless, whiny nostalgiafag worshiping Vader with no understanding of Vader, be his life or his redemption. In TLJ, he gets told off that his Revan-ripoff mask looks like shit & he's all about destroying the past, hating everything that's before ST. He's a destroyer of the past we know & love out of butthurt.

If they somehow sat through hours of shitty arguments which a baby can tear apart in their PT reviews without raising an eyebrow, they have no brains to begin with. The PT films aren't some Oscar-winning trilogy but it says a lot when even Alex Jones can understand them.

Insider Info but it's public knowledge at this point. Writing Star Wars ongoings is practically seen as punishment in MARVEL. Everything you do has to be approved by about a dozen people at Lucasfilm. Plots, scripts, art all go through the same process. Lucasfilm will also change their mind after they approve something and force rewrites of whole scripts and changing up arcs midway through and not even give notes to why.

I like that Rian just dropped his Vader worship out of fucking nowhere.

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>Everything you do has to be approved by about a dozen people at Lucasfilm.
Not that guy but what the fuck does the "story group" actually do? They don't care for consistency so are they just a filter?

The ST have a tradition of ignoring everything that happened in the previous movies

I'm not sure anyone knows.

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I'm unsure if Lucas is laughing or crying at this degree of mismanagement.

>fuck continuity

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>Kreia sees the current state of lucasarts

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It was pretty hilarious to see people like him and Simon Pegg go on for years about how the prequels betrayed everything Star Wars was, and then along comes a movie that straight up regurgitates ANH and they eat it right up.

Turns out all the take about themes was bullshit and what they really wanted was TIE Fighters again.

they're bad movies, but let's not pretend fanboys and fangirls are capable of fixing anything.

This. For almost two decades I've seen countless versions of "here's what I'd do if I wrote the prequels" and they're always worse than what we actually got, and almost always because they're more focused on pleasing their own fanboy whims than actually focusing on what would improved the story. Throwing in more Mandalorians or suddenly making the Kaleesh an entire faction or throwing in an extended cameo by Kyle Katarn's dad doesn't fix shit.

I find it more surprising that more people didn't call them out on it. Didn't one guy do a 100+ page essay? Those RLM reviews are trash. Some of those arguments are easily debunked by watching the films, others by rubbing two brain cells together.

>All the new movies except Rogue One should not be considered part of the canon
Except 'Rogue One' is also a mess and has some really idiotic retcons, such as the thermal exhaust port being a PURPOSEFUL FLAW which deflates Luke's one-in-a-million shot quite a lot, since originally it was supposed to be a desperate, "this may not even work but it's our only chance" solution to taking down the battle station. If anything, the EU stories with Kyle Katarn and Bria Tharen work much better.

I miss him

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I miss when he was Star Wars' equivalent of John Rambo... and without all the jedi stuff there, too. You don't always need to have jedi or sith to make a good Star Wars property.

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Kylo is extremely, incredibly not intimidating. Kylo is a fucking joke. He gets beaten by Rey, an untrained desert shit, in the very first movie. In TLJ he gets beaten by Luke when Luke ISN'T EVEN ACTUALLY THERE. Kylo spends both movies losing! At least Vader wins at the end of ESB. At least Dooku cuts off Anakin's arm in AOTC. Kylo never fucking gets a meaningful victory, so the movies have failed in putting him over as a credible threat. He's just a chump, deep down.

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>Star Wars' equivalent of Doomguy
Fixed

I think people did, but they got drowned out by the loud fanbase that just applauds anything RLM does. I remember back in 2009 when the Episode 1 review first hit, people were saying shit like "finally, someone has the courage to take on Lucas!" as if criticizing that movie was somehow new or groundbreaking.

Is he Snoke?

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> since originally it was supposed to be a desperate, "this may not even work but it's our only chance" solution to taking down the battle station.

It still is. Galen Erso didn't design the exhaust port to be the weakness. He designed the reactor to explode if it got hit by a power surge.

The Rebels still needed to analyze the design and figure out how to cause that power surge. The trench run and the exhaust port were what they came up with.

>such as the thermal exhaust port being a PURPOSEFUL FLAW which deflates Luke's one-in-a-million shot quite a lot
How so? Luke didn't magically find out about this design flaw himself, it's specifically mentioned in the briefing. The entire reason the Empire wanted to make sure the rebels didn't get the plans was because they were afraid the rebels would find a weakness and exploit it. The rebel briefing makes it clear that they know that hitting the exhaust port will set off a chain reaction, the only issue is whether or not any of the pilots can make the shot. Rogue One in no way contradicts this.

I think people (Mike included) miss the point of the problem with the midichlorians. The issue isn't so much that it demystifies the force, the issue is that it doesn't go far enough. The force could've been either completely mystical or completely explainable, but instead he did neither and never mentioned them again after he heard that so many people hated the idea. The point is that Lucas was perfectly willing to fold on his own vision when it suited him financially, even people were going to see the movies regardless and even though the movies sucked in so many other different ways anyway.

I do think one of the strengths of the Plinkett reviews is the way they showed Lucas as really, really eager to make a fuckton of money. It doesn't detract from how creative and innovative he is, but the man clearly loves making as much money as possible. It's not that I blame him, either; he gambled everything on Star Wars and made out like a bandit, so who wouldn't want to keep the gravy train going?

>never mentioned them again after he heard that so many people hated the idea
Midichlorians are mentioned again in ROTS and there's an arc of TCW where they're explained further.

If they watched the OT, they would know that the Force is an energy field created by all living beings with a biological component because Luke tells Leia she has the Force too because they're siblings.

This is another thing I keep seeing, the idea of the Force having biological connections is there from the beginning- Luke inherited his father's connection to the Force, he realizes Leia did too, but people somehow blame the prequels for this.

>created by all living beings
So then doesn't that kind of make midichlorians themselves redundant? Even if you wanted to say that they're 'conductors' of the force similar to electricity then why not just have the person themselves be the conductor? What makes telekinesis and mind-reading just fine on its own, but in order to actually do it you need a certain amount of cells in your blood? It probably should've just been explained as one's ability to empathize with other people, then the light and dark sides could've been two different reactions to that: the light being focused on healing and companionship in the face of suffering while the dark is rooted in a desire for revenge.

But user Rey is his best friend.

>tfw this is actually true according to the ST
>tfw it gradually dawns on you that Rey is literally the Poochie of Star Wars

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>Even if you wanted to say that they're 'conductors' of the force similar to electricity then why not just have the person themselves be the conductor?
What part of the person is the conductor? Their entire being? Some portion of their body? Something in their cells?

>the light
>something neither OT or PT ever said

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>"The Force gives you the power to have extrasensory perception and to be able to see things and hear things, read minds and levitate things. It is said that certain creatures are born with a higher awareness of the Force than humans. Their brains are different; they have more midi-chlorians in their cells.
The above quote was from 1977. Nobody pays any attention.

You know what Disney needs to do? Make some new fucking stories with some new fucking characters. Take risks. Stop trying to milk the shit out popular and already successful characters. People love Star Wars because of its scope, imagination, and all the potential things it can be, but Disney proceeds to recycle the things that already worked.

>Turns out he had a second even stronger empire hidden in his back pocket
This will never not be stupid

Reminder that it's possible to tell a "standard" Star Wars story well. Disney just can't do it.

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No cooperation ever made more money doing something new than regurgitating something known.

As far as anyone can tell, it’s become one of those booster positions for side and up promotions. They don’t handle continuity, ideas, or lore. They just kinda exist so they can say they be a marketing piece. And almost everyone on the payroll isn’t know for having done anything before and they aren’t doing anything now, but they all immediately added “worked in the star wars story group” to their resumes.

>he was bankrupting his first one so he can create another one with blackjack and hookers

They knew it was a weakness and design flaw before they even started that mission. All the pilots were briefed on it.

>What part of the person is the conductor?
All of them I guess. That's the thing, adding midichlorians just makes it look more thought out than it ended up being. Why the waste the time and energy in starting an explanation if you aren't going to finish it?

looked it up myself and he also supposedly says that anyone can learn the force anyway, so it's still self defeating.

>They just kinda exist so they can say they be a marketing piece. And almost everyone on the payroll isn’t know for having done anything before and they aren’t doing anything now, but they all immediately added “worked in the star wars story group” to their resumes.
>mfw people get paid for this

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>All of them I guess.
How would that work? If someone had a limb or vital organ removed, would there be a problem in reception?

Just about every time I see someone bring these up, they demonstrate that they don’t actually know what they do. What’s so demystifying about identifying which part or parts of your body handle a sense? Do having eyes see instead of sight without eyes somehow demystify sight? There’s these things in their body which connects them with the Force. They’re called midichlorians. Instead of using force powers anyway, it’s having these things which allow you to use them. It’s the difference between biting an apple and biting an apple with your teeth. One’s just more specific on how it works.

>Also in the other one he's younger and have a family with fully grown children

We could say the same thing about midichlorians. After all, if they're spread out over your body and you get a limb removed, that's a lot of cells being killed off.

My problem was never that it 'demystified' anything. My problem is that we could've had either an in-depth explanation on how this incredibly important facet to the setting works or it could've just been hand-waved as "aah, it's just fiction, don't worry about it". But instead Lucas went halfway in both directions and we got neither. I don't really care which it is I just wanted him to make up his mind.

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Redpill me on Wendig's writing.

But Thrawn having glowing, mono red eyes is part of what makes him scary. He's supposed to be unreadable.

>We could say the same thing about midichlorians. After all, if they're spread out over your body and you get a limb removed, that's a lot of cells being killed off.
Not really. If they're within every cell in the body, even losing an arm is minor. Even arms and legs make up less than 25% of your total body-mass, let alone things like bloodflow. If each functions on their own, losing a portion would be losing blood. Inhibiting but far from disabling the remainder like the entire body being needed.

I though ESB and RoTJ was several years.

They needed conflict and were too scared or dumb to create it from totally new plot lines, so relied heavily on disrupting conflict from the old movies. This made the audience want to see these resolved so we can simply get back to where we started

It's in-depth enough. There are these things in the body which connects them to the Force. They're called midichlorians. He didn't specify how the midichlorians themselves worked. From a biological perspective, it answers everything. Whether that's DNA or midichlorians, it really doesn't matter. It's a non-issue. All they did was name it.

>So then doesn't that kind of make midichlorians themselves redundant?
reminder that midichlorians aren't the force

they're a biological entity that is drawn to the force. it can't completely accurately measure how much "force power" somebody has.

It literally is like seeing a bunch of ants go towards food. If you see a ton of ants some where, obviously there is food near by.

The ants are not the food itself.

It's shit. Like a child's writing.

>Did anyone honestly care about Snoke beyond whatever bullshit theories they had?
It's not that people care(d) about him so much as not knowing what he is. Snoke is this big, unexplained plot hole that the movies apparently don't know anything about either.

I stayed away from Star Wars books in general since I know down the line they'd be contradicted, but I have to say I did read Wendig's Turok. It had a few good concepts but was a terrible story overall.

luke being on shit island cutting himself off from his powers was the only thing that would have made sense for him after the first movie. otherwise, him not showing up after his friend bites it makes no sense

>Also have Luke appear as a Force ghost to the latest generation of Jedi protagonists.
avatar rey?

>luke being on shit island cutting himself off from his powers was the only thing that would have made sense for him after the first movie
Yes, but at least he should have had a good reason.

I said "trying". They're throwing everything they can back into this new canon in a very haphazard way.

The OT works because Lucas had a very talented crew to see his vision through and to cut his bullshit when it went to excess. Go back and check his original vision of ANH - it was as bad as TPM and required several helping hands to be turned into the masterpiece it is today.

Fuck, if Brian de Palma hadn't chewed him out the opening crawl would be several minutes long.

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The problem is that it has unintended knock-on effects that make people ask stupid question. Examples: If they're in *all* of your cells, then they'd be in your blood too, presumably, so does this mean that blood transfusions also result in a transfer of midichlorians? If that's the case, are force-sensitive individuals being captured for midichlorian farming? Do midichlorians exist in every living thing or just in intelligent ones? Where did they first come into being? How did they come into being? If the force is all around us then how is it that it can be drawn to individuals? Doesn't that imply that the force has a physical presence within the universe? Is the force itself being concentrated around force-sensitive people or do really skilled force users just have a good understanding of the force itself and how it works? I always assumed it was the latter. Does the force exist because of living things or does it just act on them?

tl;dr Midichlorians aren't themselves bad, but they cause stupid arguments because when you add things to a setting, any setting those things have implications that can't be easily ignored when it's convenient.

Luke and Lando's love of hot chocolate is one of my favourite things.

I wish the two had more interactions, they had great chemistry.

>Go back and check his original vision of ANH
I did. I also checked his original vision of TPM which some say is superior to the final product.

>the OT and PT characters were deemphasized for ST-era stuff.
Yet who do they call on for the grand opening? Mark, Harrison, Billy Dee, and George. Were any of the ST actors there at all?

It's same as before. Human cloning is a thing in-universe so the same problems arise in any situation.

The Force was always intended to have a material component, because Star Wars is all about hybridizing fantasy and scifi, and in scifi, "psychic powers" are material. It's also an implicit rejection of strict dualism, as part of the eastern aesthetics of the series: the material and the spiritual aren't the same but they echo each other. This is why Jedi meditate and practice complex techniques, why Sith inevitably ends up physically fucked up, and why he felt the need to include Midichlorians.

Reminder that Yoda straight up tells you in ESB that life created the Force, like some kind of galactic gestalt. It's not an external God

He wrote, directed, and edited TPM. There is no "original vision" that was moderated.

Shut the fuck up satan licking jew white slever

>does this mean that blood transfusions also result in a transfer of midichlorians? If that's the case, are force-sensitive individuals being captured for midichlorian farming?
What's ironic about the whole Midichlorian thing is that it exposes so many memesters like you for what they are.
Anakin in TPM has more Midichlorians than Yoda, yet Yoda could still kick his ass, meaning that training and discipline is far more important.
Also the force was always biological, practically speaking. "The force is strong in my family."
>Do midichlorians exist in every living thing or just in intelligent ones?
All life
>Where did they first come into being? How did they come into being? If the force is all around us then how is it that it can be drawn to individuals?
Through these
>Doesn't that imply that the force has a physical presence within the universe? Is the force itself being concentrated around force-sensitive people or do really skilled force users just have a good understanding of the force itself and how it works? I always assumed it was the latter. Does the force exist because of living things or does it just act on them?
Movie answers this. The Force was an energy field made by all living beings & it binds the galaxy together. Obiwan says The Force guides you but also listens to your commands. See EP4

It's like pottery...

roadto7.blogspot.com/2013/03/original-phantom-menace-script.html

a lot of the biggest hits had an element of risk to them. apparently disney really wasn't fond of tangled's chances before it released

Adding to this, they all expected Pocahontas to be the big thing instead of Lion King back then.

You know why: $$$

If training and discipline is so much more important then why bother mentioning the midichlorians at all? Why go looking for people with high midichlorian counts rather than taking in anyone who's willing to learn? Unless you want to also argue that midichlorians also make people more disciplined. Either way midichlorians do not fundamentally add to the setting, the force being biological doesn't need to mean power levels.

>It's not an external God
So how did Anakin get conceived then?

>Anakin conception
Why do people get confused by this? Didn’t you watch the movie? Didn’t you hear the tale of Darth Plagueis the Wise?

>If training and discipline is so much more important then why bother mentioning the midichlorians at all?
You need a decent midichlorian count as a starting spot. From then on, it's discipline

>So how did Anakin get conceived then?
Midichlorians says some, Darth Plageuis says others. The Force has its own will.

>So how did Anakin get conceived then?
force date rape

>The TIE wibbles and wobbles through the air, careening drunkenly across the Myrrann rooftops - it zigzags herkily-jerkily out of sight.

wait, what exactly did they do to my boy 4-LOM?

no, he is

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He’s got poor symmetry, and most artists are used to drawing symmetrical faces.

But is that the canon explanation or is that just a story that Palpatine told Anakin to try and manipulate him? Because that's something we've never heard of the force being able to do up to that point and doesn't really fit in with every other character's use of the force up to that point.

But how important are the midichlorians exactly, in the bigger picture? We never see Anakin do anything that Yoda couldn't, and his baseline should be much higher, right? I guess it's just because Yoda is more experienced? So how much more experienced would Anakin have to be to be more powerful than Yoda? Does 'power' even mean anything relative to something like the force?

It was Film Canon, but I am sure it was retconned. It was supposed to be the supreme irony, the Sith spent so much time trying to become immortal that one of their unnatural experiments finished them all, from a certain point of view.

>We never see Anakin do anything that Yoda couldn't, and his baseline should be much higher, right? I guess it's just because Yoda is more experienced?
It's this. According to Lucas, Anakin had the potential to be greater than Yoda or Sidious. His injuries at Mustafar basically killed that, so even though he does eventually become more powerful post-Mustafar than he was pre-Mustafar, he never becomes as powerful as he could have been if he hadn't gotten wrecked by Obi-Wan.

>But is that the canon explanation or is that just a story that Palpatine told Anakin to try and manipulate him?
It depends on who you ask. Lucas himself preferred to leave it ambiguous, so Palpatine could be telling the truth, some variation of it, or an outright lie.

The EU was all over the place. Sometimes it was stated Plaguies intentionally created him, sometimes it was Sidious, sometimes it was neither, the Plagueis novel goes with the idea that the Force created him as a reaction to Plagueis and Sidious messing with the dark side too much.

Current canon hasn't answered it, but I feel like they'll go with the Lucas version of never definitely stating it.

I have a sincere question: Does the ST honestly have fans that think it's good? By that, I mean did it bring people into the franchise who weren't very familiar with the original movies? We here on Yea Forums, /c/ specifically, are a small insular group (let's be honest) - akin to the small group on Twitter that shill about Rey being "Yass Queen Slay" or whatever. But what about the normies between the two sides?

I'm old enough to have seen every SW movies in the theatre when they came out (and did). Other than the original Marvel comics and a few things here and there (like the Thrawn trilogy of books that came out during the dearth of SW stuff), I haven't read hardly anything of the EU stuff. I thought TFA wasn't too bad, in that it could be a lesson in how circular history can be if one forgets it. TLJ was fucking awful in that it seems like every character deliberately chose to be stupid at every chance they could. Rogue One was enjoyable because we got to see the SW universe where people aren't relying on space magic (mostly). Solo had a couple good bits, but was mostly a bad movie due to the production problems (Did we really need the see the origin of everything in Han's life in one movie? What was the movie trying to be - a heist, a love story, a redemption story, etc.?). But, Don Glover did make me want a Lando movie in the pre-ANH era.

To me, the last two movies did everything to prop up the new characters by making the OT characters look like shit or make them unlikable.

So again, is there any consensus of what the normies think? How many new fans were brought in because of the story? Serious question.

Every college kid I know loves the ST and thinks the old movies are boring and slow.

Jesus. Talk about trying to fill a page.

I asked my family what they thought of D-SW once, and generally the answer was it was forgettable, one family member said rouge one was okay, but nobody in my family is Star War fans, so they tend to only like the OT.

Normies seem to mostly like the ST. It's really the hardcore fans that have turned against it. It's worth noting that despite the critical backlash, TLJ still made a significant profit. People like to claim Solo bombing was a result of the public hating TLJ, but if they'd hated it that much then TLJ itself would've bombed. You don't make the kind of money TLJ did without repeat viewings, either.

I don't know anyone that got into Star Wars through the sequel trilogy. That doesn't mean there aren't any though, I would not be surprised if there were people who got interested in it. But I don't believe it's a significant number if news outlets were reporting decline in Star Wars merch sales. The only thing I do know is most people I know hated Last Jedi, and that many initially liked TFA but by the time Rise's trailer was out, reception was divided and the people who didn't care about the trailer felt TFA didn't hold up and TLJ wrecked everything.

There were a few maybe about five people that did like TLJ. I don't know what they thought of it now, but I know one guy felt TFA was a rehash and that TLJ was trying to do something new and so wasn't thrilled with the Rise trailer.

>You don't make the kind of money TLJ did without repeat viewings, either.
It had the biggest 2nd weekend drop of all time. It's very feasible that everyone who saw TFA gave it a chance hence why it made so much then it completely bombed after that
boxofficemojo.com/alltime/weekends/drops.htm?page=1&sort=totalgross&order=DESC&p=.html

Prior to the release people kept lowering their predictions on how well the film would do, and TLJ went lower than that.

That said, it's not a box office bomb, but it's definitely an underperformer relative to TFA.

That's not what a bomb is. For it to bomb, it would have to lose money at the box office. TLJ not being as successful as TFA was already expected- it ended up not being as successful as predicted, but in the end it did make quite a lot of money.

>But how important are the midichlorians exactly, in the bigger picture?
It's a measure of force potential. IF they reach that potential or not is another thing. Anakin had the potential to be the best Jedi ever but couldn't live up to half his potential.

I feel the need to point out that MoS and BVS both were profitable and both were hated by everyone but it’s core fanbase, and even they were very meh about both films. It’s really hard for me to see TLJ horrendous drop off and Solo’s bombing as anything other than the core fanbase kinda dying. I have no doubt that D:RotS will be profitable, but I will raise an eyebrow if it makes anywhere near what a Star Wars movie should.

Even china didn’t eat it, and they have single handily justified Transformers, FF, DCCU, and a bunch of other horrible franchises.

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Where did I say the whole thing bombed in that post? I was only talking about the massive weekend drop which challenged the line I quoted where you said it had tons of repeat viewings. Learn to read otherwise you like a shill.

>It's very feasible that everyone who saw TFA gave it a chance hence why it made so much then it completely bombed after that
Not sure why you immediately decided to pull the shill card here

>You don't make the kind of money TLJ did without repeat viewings, either.

There may be repeat viewings, but I don't believe they were as strong as TFA had.

Would user watch it?

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>Even china didn’t eat it
Not really a good metric, since China doesn't really like Star Wars anyway. TFA and Rogue One did poorly there too.

>hence why it made so much
>then bombed after that
>after that
Read the whole sentence and put the meaning together instead of just seeing the word "bomb" and becoming a screeching retard.

>but I don't believe they were as strong as TFA had.
Of course not. Nobody is saying they were. Several people have noted that even Disney didn't expect TLJ to make TFA numbers.

That's kind of a depressing implication, isn't it? That one's potential is decided from the beginning and that there's very little you can do about it?

Not that guy but not only did Bayformers profit in China but even Japan, long time Star Wars fans, disliked it.

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You can't make a lot of money and then bomb. That's not what bomb means within the context of movies.

Here's the issue, it had the biggest second weekend drop of all time, the biggest sequel drop of all time, the worst legs of any Star Wars movie period at the time-including Attack of the Clones-and it managed to do all of this while locked into the biggest theaters in every venue. Look for yourself on that chart, its theater count stayed exactly the same across all of that month, and the minute it was over it dropped hard and Jumanji, it's competitor, went UP. Saying 'its not a bomb because it made money' is ignoring everything else around it.

It was always going to make money in the short term, people were obviously excited because it has the second highest opening of all time, but then it just dropped. Normies didn't come back to the tune of 150 million dollars just over one week, and 700 million over the entire run. SEVEN HUNDRED MILLION despite a mere 10 million difference in the opening. They started almost exactly the same, but the second movie lost 7/10ths of a billion in comparison. When you say 'bomb', you mean 'well did it make money or not?' we say bomb and we say 'you lost almost a billion dollars with your fuckup.'

Or fuck it, just say the toyline bombed, would love to see any disputing on that one.

Reaching that potential is another beast though. I doubt many Jedi reach their full potential before dying, either of old age or being killed. Yoda had centuries to reach where he is & some say RotS Sheev < RotJ Sheev, so not even the one Lucas says is the strongest Sith Lord reached his full potential in his 50s.

I'm not questioning that, though. I'm pointing out that saying TLJ failed in China doesn't really mean anything when even the more successful movies like TFA also failed in China.

>You can't make a lot of money and then bomb.
You hear that, everyone? Justice League didn't bomb! It made a lot of money!

>calls others screeching retards for pointing out his misuse of terms
>then replies with this
Okay I see I've been baited

Square Enix should make a Star Wars game when EA's contract expires.

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>Or fuck it, just say the toyline bombed, would love to see any disputing on that one.

Probably will retort by saying "kids don't play with toys anymore" or "people are buying from Amazon" or some other inane excuse

a lot of people like it well enough. kylo and rey and et al have enough fans to have weird shipping drama at least.

Maybe because TFA was also a bad film? Here's the thing people don't realize, saying "China didn't like Star Wars because they didn't have nostalgia for it" implies that the film relied on people's nostalgia and wasn't a good film that could stand on its own.

Your shitbrain read my sentence wrong, all I said was the 2nd week bombed and had a massive drop I never said the whole thing was a bomb you fucking retard.

That probably speaks more about TFA than it does about Chinese taste.

I can't imagine anyone disputes TLJ was a failure without being some kind of deluded, I mean how do you go from the second highest opening ever to being beaten by Jumanji? Fucking Jumanji? He can argue terminology for 'bomb' till the end of time, but he'd have to be some kind of desperate to argue that it didn't chase away a lot of normal moviegoers on the scale of hundreds of millions of dollars. If nothing else it should have beaten Age of Ultron, but couldn't even manage that. The reason they're shoving the OG characters in their face so much is that movie kind of has to be a wakeup call that people just aren't interested now. They wanted to see Han again, they wanted to see Luke again, and now that both are dead they lost interest. What a bomb.

I can't help but point to MCU, also owned by Disney, & examine the differences. Nobody says "Avengers fatigue" at multiple MCU movies per year. Their toys sell well.

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>I'm pointing out that saying TLJ failed in China doesn't really mean anything when even the more successful movies like TFA also failed in China.

Yeah but not that bad, TFA still made 150 million, TLJ didn't come within anywhere close of that.

>Here's the thing people don't realize, saying "China didn't like Star Wars because they didn't have nostalgia for it" implies that the film relied on people's nostalgia and wasn't a good film that could stand on its own.
This is true, but it's missing the point. Again, you can't use TLJ failing in China as any real metric when there hasn't been a Star Wars movie that actually succeeded there. All of them have failed in China, it makes no sense to single out TLJ as if this one movie is unique in the batch for failing when they all failed. That's my point.

Adding to this, Age of Ultron was deemed a failure.
goliath.com/movies/avengers-age-of-ultron-was-a-failure-according-to-disney/

If those profits were a failure, what does it say about TLJ?

>tfw there will never be a film based on the purple war vet farmer before a gang of hoodlums invaded and murdered him

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>The reason they're shoving the OG characters in their face so much is that movie kind of has to be a wakeup call that people just aren't interested now.
The problem with this argument is that Disney has been shoving Luke, Han and the rest of the OT cast in the comics/books/etc pretty hard from the beginning. This isn't something that just started after TLJ, they've been doing this for a while.

>. Again, you can't use TLJ failing in China as any real metric when there hasn't been a Star Wars movie that actually succeeded there.

Except we can use it as a metric of how badly it failed compared to the others? I mean 150 million isn't great for a star wars movie but apparently people were more excited about that than TLK

>Ben Solo? Kylo Ren? I don't recall having any siblings with those names.

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sixthtone.com/news/1001531/chinas-die-hard-star-wars-fans-respond-to-last-jedi-flop

>Chen Tao, a project manager and longtime Star Wars aficionado who runs the fan forum Star Wars China, told Sixth Tone that the franchise has failed to live up to expectations in China because it arrived late to the market: Many potential viewers, upon hearing that a recently released film is actually the seventh or eighth in a series, feel they have too much catching up to do.

>Other factors, according to Chen, include Chinese audiences’ preference for physically attractive protagonists and stories rooted in reality. He points out that, for example, superhero films from Marvel — a Disney cash cow that has enjoyed great success in China — feature recognizable settings, such as New York and even China, and are filled with larger-than-life leads who meet the public’s aesthetic standards. The Star Wars characters, meanwhile, look ordinary by comparison.

>“These actors aren’t very beautiful, which may deter a lot of Chinese from seeing the recent films,” said Chen. “We fans often joke that if Finn were played by Will Smith, Chinese people might be more inclined to watch it — because he’s very handsome.”

Eh let's not pretend Jacen didn't turn to shit

Hell yeah.

>Echoing the sentiments of many fellow fans, Wang and Chen both described the new film as visually appealing but riddled with issues such as atypical behavior from established characters. Luke Skywalker was particularly disappointing to Wang, who felt that the character’s brooding behavior didn’t jibe with the resilience and fearless optimism of the young Luke he had come to know from the original trilogy.

>While last year’s film, “Rogue One,” wasn’t a box office success either, it was still enthusiastically received by China’s Star Wars fans. Chen appreciated the film’s positivity and its prevailing sense of hope. “For a lot of fans, the story of ‘Rogue One’ made us think of our own country’s revolutionary history,” he said. “A lot of characters in it were just like the Communist Party members who sacrificed themselves for the revolution.”

>Despite the latest film’s well-publicized shortcomings and low Chinese box office earnings, Wang isn’t too down on “The Last Jedi.” “Overall, I still think the movie does have its innovative aspects,” he said. “I can see that it wants to break free from the old mold and remake itself.”

Also earlier in the article:

>For China’s small but enthusiastic subculture of Star Wars fans, the latest film was a visual feast hampered by a protracted plot and uninspired characters. On popular review website Douban, the new film is rated a fairly weak 7.3, based on over 43,000 reviews. The most upvoted review complains that “the whole film really insults the IQ of its audience,” and demands to know how the universe could possibly be ruled by such an incompetent Galactic Empire. “In Star Wars, it seems only Darth Vader had a brain — it’s such a shame he’s already dead,” the reviewer concludes.

China wasn’t a real market for American films until about a decade ago. Like I don’t know if your young or you didn’t notice, but China’s box office didn’t become relevant till after the PT ended.

Go look up the numbers of China’s box office and you will notice that RotS did really fucking well, in China, to other Chinese films. Go look up how much money the Chinese actually spent at the theater and you will see it wasn’t worth talking about till about 2009 or so.

This. It was a massive misstep to have the movies be immediate sequels to each other. There should have been a years-long gap between one film and the next, that space is where you can really rev up the franchise at the height of it's popularity to cash in and set up more of the story.

From there in the next movie, you have all the characters grown somewhat and shuffled around, it keeps things fresh.

Well then what does it tell you when Fast and the Furious, Marvel films, and Bay's Transformers do well in China, but China dumped 92% of its Last Jedi screenings after 7 days?

forbes.com/sites/robcain/2018/01/11/7-days-into-its-release-chinese-theaters-abandon-the-last-jedi-dumping-92-of-its-screenings/#58b858e55cc0

It was only because of executive fuckery.

Rate Luke's taste in women

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10/10

>the original Star Wars Mary Sue

I never fuckled with the EU, give me a breakdown.

He killed his master and has taken over the First Order and crippled the Resistance. that's not a meaningful victory?

I'm replaying it right now. I probably did like three or four runs on the original Xbox and have about 120 hours into it on Steam.

I'm run a few tabletop games and this is my general experience when a player tries to train as a jedi.

Yeah if you can meditate in a cave with like 100 holocrons and like 100 pounds of training gear for a hundred years you can reach your apex. But in actuality a Jedi has to actually go out and do missions and deal with conflicts and actually use the powers they have and train the ones that are effective to solving those problems.

Obviously not because the First Order looks like a joke.

He also lost over 100 times the personnel and equipment doing so and was made to look like an idiot in-front of his new army, so not really.

Also he only survives because Rey let’s him live for... reasons?

Palpatine's secret apprentice that went after Luke to avenge him, but instead fell for him.

That's not Mary Sue enough

>Nobody says "Avengers fatigue"
Who the fuck do you think you're fooling?

She isn't, she had to get rescued by all the men after crashing her ship in Book 2 and only gets Anakin's saber from Luke in the very last scene of the trilogy instead of the very first one like Rey.

He's talking about articles, some do say franchise fatigue, but "Star Wars fatigue" is constantly brought up when talking about Star Wars.

>and crippled the Resistance.

The Resistance's crippling came about because of their own stupidity.

>Mary Sue

The revenue from those films suggest people still go.

>"Star Wars fatigue"

Funny how that didn't exist when we had TCW, KOTORI/II, Tortanic, all the Dark Horse comics, the Del Rey novels and Hasbro churning out all sorts of figures for obscure characters. Maybe it's less fatigue and more the fact the fandom revolting against the mishandling of the franchise by Iger, Kennedy and Disney.

>the fandom
Fuck the fandom. You guys are so autistic it hurts.

Yeah yeah yeah, "fuck the fandom", like Marvel Comics said back in the 00's and doubled-down in the 10's. And then they traded one angry audience for another more fickle audience instead.

More or less. The articles which believe fans are tired of Star Wars misunderstand that it's the quality, not quantity, people are tired of.

I think it's best to keep it mysterious.

Jaina Solo was a huge mary sue.

That's not Jaina.

Imagine fucking up Star Wars of all things. This fucking huge Universe with a stupid rich backstory and a literal fuck ton of expanded universe shit to adapt and the very first night you drop a piss/shit combo into your own bed and wake up in a nightmare world of your own piss and shit mud.

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>Fuck the fandom. You guys are so autistic it hurts.
Out of curiosity, when did this become an acceptable attitude for companies? Because it seems like a lot of companies are doing it these days. Of course, it does seem to be a lot of ones that Disney acquires (ie Marvel and Star Wars).
>You have a built-in fanbase that'll eat up any shit you put out.
>"Should be try to attract new fans?"
>"Nah, the current fans are toxic because reasons. Let's piss them off and get new ones."
It's almost like they don't get the concept of having current fans reach out to new people is a good idea.
>"Bob, I thought about trying X-thing. You've been into that for years. What do you think?"
>"Nah, it sucks now. Ignore the new stuff, but the stuff from years ago is good."
>"Okay. Sounds like I should check out Y-thing instead."

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>The went out of their way to “”KILL THE PAST”” in their movies, yet they keep trying to rely on the past?

Because Rey and Rose Tico dolls aren't exactly flying off of the shelves and they know that old fans will always buy merchandise with the classic characters on it?

But she was never an apprentice. She was one of his many agents like the NuSW Inquisitors, but more for general black ops shit.

I can think of a lot of examples in the 00's. It was definitely incubating during that time. Marvel sort of did this in the 00's but was successful because the comics were selling well, but then inevitably hit a decline because they were pissing off too much of the fanbase. Then they got a second wind with the movies and doing the first Marvel Now, but then gradually pissed that away as well by the time of Marvel Now 2.

If the 2010's taught anyone anything, there's eventual limits to pissing off the fanbase, even if you may be right to do something.

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>they know that old fans will always buy merchandise with the classic characters on it?
I really hope that they're wrong about that.

This year's SDCC Star Wars exclusives don't seem to have much ST stuff. The only thing I can find so far in their listings is Bandai's Samurai Phasma.

Samefag

>She was one of his many agents like the NuSW Inquisitors, but more for general black ops shit.
Sometimes you need berserker with a broadsword; sometimes you need a surgeon with a scalpel. For the first, EU Sheev had Vader; for the second, he had Jade.

>Pre-Empire
so they either mean the few months between A new hope and Empire Strikes back...or they mean before the galactic empire was founded, meaning time travel shenanigans

That is probably the same user, but thats not samefagging, newfag.

You mean like in real life?

If they did a remake with all the old game mechanics but an updated engine and all the cut content put in i'd have a hard dick for weeks.

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>the few months between A new hope and Empire Strikes back
The timelines I've seen say that is three years, user.

A human being was paid to put that sentence to page, and have it published.

That's almost as bad as "The helicopter was built for sex, I observed sexily."

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>I don’t understand Disney’s logic
it is time to turn Han into a beta looser that is only good for being Leia's side kick

They're not going to bomb. Even if they continue the trajectory and fare way below Solo, they're never going to not make their money back.

are you out of your fucking mind?
Last jedi BOMBED
Makteting is expensive, all their products they did not sell is money wasted, and quite frankly this fuck up has greatly hurt disneys reputation as awhole.

How terrible was he considering Waid, Slott, and Spencer got to keep their jobs?

It did below expectations, but it bombed in the way The Last Knight transformer movie bombed.
You are right in that expectations are everything, Disney is nothing without its shareholders and their expectations on how their movies will fare.

But numbers to numbers, it's not a complete failure, and a complete failure is what they need in order to actually fire anyone and change the way they do creative projects. People were telling Disney this was a bad idea since TFA, and TLJ just increased the volume of those voices. They're not going to fire anyone or change, if anything, they might double down on the idea of giving Rian his trilogy after this is all over. It just won't have the backing these movies have.

And in ten or so years they'll try it all over again and bank on the next generation of pop culture sponging zoomers.

>crippled the resistance

The First Order could have ended the Resistance in the first 5 minutes of the film if they had bothered to fire on the sole X-wing sitting in front of their dreadnought. Or scrambled more than a handful of TIEs from the dozen-odd star destroyers present when the shitty bombers appeared. Or fired on the Raddus first instead of the planet, because the planet isn't going anywhere.

Or launched more than 4 TIE fighters against the Raddus. Or not recalled their TIE fighters after destroying the bridge and hangar. Or jumped some Star Destroyers ahead of the Raddus to intercept it. Or launched missiles at it. Or had an Interdictor present at D'Qar.

This user gets it. The First Order is a joke. They only win because they have so many bodies and they just keep Zap Braniganing their enemies. In ANH, Vader scrambles one squadron of TIEs against three dozen Rebel fighters and they nearly win. In ESB, the Rebels take down two AT-ATs and their victory is not being wiped out. In ROTJ, the Rebel fleet is being shredded just from the Imperial fleet's fighters and it takes the loss of the Death Star for the Rebels to pull a victory from utter annihilation... and they were up against just one Imperial task force. In TFA, a single squadron of fighters takes out the Imperial superweapon. There's not even a Tarkin moment where they don't believe the fighters pose a threat. They should have been throwing everything they had at the fighters.

In TLJ, one of the First Order's biggest, "fleet-killers" has a dozen defence turrets that one fighter can take out and one bomber destroys it. The Raddus suicide charge rips the Supremacy in half and takes out a dozen conveniently line-up Star Destroyers. Every victory the First Order has is at a cost far out of proportion to what they've gained.

Boss, we both know that isn’t true. Even with a bloated marketing budget, which we don’t know if it had one, the movie itself made back the money they spent on it.

Sure, the movie poisoned the well and Disney most likely still hasn’t managed to turn a profit on Star Wars itself yet. Yes it under performed horrifyingly. I give you that. But as a standalone feature film, it made probably around 420 million profit. Which again, not great, but not horrible either.

Wait, Pable is a part of the story group? How the fuck did he manage that?

Pretty much this.
They need to completely ditch this fucking mess after this next film.
No idea how.
If they completely ignore it its clear admittance of them fucking up.
if they dont make new movies for years its admittance of them fucking up
There is little way out for them without a direct non-canonizing of this shit. Toss JJ, Cathleen, all of those cunts right under the bus.
I know thats shit for investors and such to see, but at this point its common knowledge and actually punishing literal propaganda spewing cunts would at least win some people back

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And? They as always made toys and other goods out the ass for this and store after store complained about unsold stock.
Anyone know where I can get actual numbers for the money they made / lost in goods sells?

Oh yes my favorite sith Darth Jazz

The only reason Rian, Cath and all the other cronys they carry have not been fired is due to contracting and appearance.
its better for them to make shit movies, than it is to buyout a contract term and spook investors with big changes.

Nice quads.
My point is that in the boardrooms and stockholder meetings the people who should be getting a slap on the wrist aren’t because on paper, factually and literally, TLJ did not bomb.

And he immediately got shit on from fans of the ST and was called toxic for sharing a fucking fan photo.

Those three had Twitter problems prior to Marvel (or maybe Disney) cracking down on social media outbursts and then had to close off their accounts for a while. Wendig was still doing his tweeting and got fired late last year, presumably after the social media.

Additionally the three you mentioned had a lot more high-selling comics than Wendig, whose credits were like Hyperion and Star Wars Force Awakens adaptation, and that Vader Annual people were upset about.

Not just that but all these problems happened in the middle of Episode 9's production. They go and fire Kathleen now, people out there would know there's a problem.

>*has him die of old age onscreen*
Nothing personnel, Ford.

Why would I listen to the man who directed Space Cop on what constitutes good storytelling decisions?

>TLJ did not bomb.
WRONG.

Bring back the boob window jedi everyone loves

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The male gaze is racism

Because his fans say so

The real question is, will Han Solo get laid?

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At least the Vader comics are good

based

Not since Disney hates non-cucks

Here’s your reply

Bullshit

Wookiepedia says he’s a guy from the Church of the Force who knew Luke

Considering Avengers Endgame made billions and Spider-Man is about to make bank as well I’d say Marvel fatigue hasn’t set in yet

well on the bright side my boy Kyle Katarn will never ever be touched

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They ruined Thrawn.

Give it time.

>They ruined Thrawn.
How?

He'll never show up since he's a straight white male.

I wouldn’t go as far as to say that Disney will go bankrupt in the 2020s. That either requires such a major fuck up that it would make Toys R Us look like a minor miscalculation, or multiple problems hitting them all at once ( i.e. Capeshit losing audiences, Disney streaming flopping, Star Wars being completely nonprofitable, their animated movies reaching a new Dark Age, etc.).

I do believe that Disney will lose their seat as the king of entertainment, but they’ll still be around in some shape or form. It takes awhile for large companies to fade away. After all, Rome didn’t fall in one day.

The inherent problem with entertainment I.P.s is that you can have every popular series in the world that has lasted for 40 years, but some schmuck could find inspiration from a flickering street lamp and create a books series that takes the world by storm.

Honestly, with the market share they currently own I highly doubt Disney will ever go away. Even if they burnt every fucking dollar they had, they would still have enough residual revenue to rebuild. Government honestly needs to step in and go back to busting monopolies. I don’t want to have to fight in the corporate wars.

>The went out of their way to “”KILL THE PAST”” in their movies, yet they keep trying to rely on the past?
them saying they're killing the past lets them sell you that they are making something new

>he thinks the corporations don't have their hand up the government's ass

Adorable. We're all deeply fucked.

Comic book buyers don't buy out of continuity comics because "they don't matter". That's Marvel's reasoning about forcing all of their superhero books to tie in to crossover events.

But wasn't the Star Wars EU iffy on mattering?

>And he immediately got shit on from fans of the ST and was called toxic for sharing a fucking fan photo.
The nerve. It's like a war vet wanting to meet with his fellow war vets but so many died of old age. That's disrespectful.

Because his head is so far up his own ass, his own buttcheeks muffle whatever he says. Mike's virtually everything wrong with critics rolled into one. Pseudo-intellectualism, demonstrably worse than anyone he criticizes, etc.

>Not Darth Jizz
user..I

Rate Zayne's taste in women

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Straw Wars

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Your face and my fist are

>tfw they realized they fucked up by making the EU non canon

I can't wait for ep 9 to come out and burn. Seriously.

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Patrician/10

>Spider-Man is about to make bank as well
We'll have to see about that, of course. Would be interesting if it bombed.

10/10

>Why do people constantly forget that the whole "kill the past" thing is the philosophy espoused BY THE BAD GUY?

Yoda was the real villain all along.

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>it would make Toys R Us look like a minor miscalculation
Fun fact: Toys R Us didn't die because of poor decisions, it got pump-n-dumped.

Disney will probably grow tumescent at some point, and just stop putting its hands directly on creative teams and just own a profitable stock. The owners will wait ten years, then 'fix' star wars by spinning it off into a satellite company that promises to 'really care about star wars' and fuck it up even further.

Damn that’s pretty well said.

more like shit wars

Hasn't it already been doing this?

Disney not parsing the EU for stories and turning the Post-RotJ galaxy into a Greatest Hits collection was a retarded move. They trusted fanboy JJ to come up with something cool with zero oversight and look what we got.

I’m assuming D&D are going for the old republic route, because there’s no saving Rey .

It seems like most of NuWars' material (post Jedi) isn't so much recycled good ideas as boring or retarded shit designed to turn people off.

>enjoying every Star Wars film except TLJ

Chad taste

because they couldn't have him be full keikaku-doori like in the old thrawn trilogy books and couldn't bring back 100% of his background and related stories.
all that exists is a chiss named Thrawn that joined the Empire to spy on it for his people, who has a Nohgri bodyguard. the Emperor is still alive, Vader is still alive, and as far as his story goes in canon, Tarkin and Krennic are still alive. Thrawn doesn't have the leeway to go full commander of the Empire and be like he was presented before, especially since he is catapulted into hyperspace at the same general time RO/ANH happens and is subsequently assumed to not be part of the Empire anymore.