Marvel is staffed by Social Justice Warriors. The SJWs are ruining everyth-

So do these far-left hacks actually think their corporate overlords are sympathetic to their plight? How do they not realize that it's always been more about money than making a statement?

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It honestly sounds more like Marvel is just fucking incompetent than out to tamper this stuff down

>Believe in the work

>You may be asking if my Iceman book was any good, or if I’m just being sour grapes over a bad work experience. Believe me, I asked that, too. From the get-go, my first editor asserted that Iceman would be DOA if it were “too gay,” while also telling me to prepare for a cancellation anyway, given that most solo X-Men titles don’t last beyond a year. Never mind that my work on Iceman had gotten positive press in the New York Times (in-print), or that in spite of (since-deleted) critical sandbagging, the series nets glowing reviews on Amazon… Marvel still treated me as someone to be contained, and the book as something to be nervous about. Do you know how hard it is to not argue with a publicist when he’s explaining the value of announcing Iceman’s revival via the Marvel homepage? Sis, that’s a burial. Instead of clapping back, I just went and got myself more press from the New York Times. From there, they tightened my leash. I had to get all opportunities pre-approved, and all interviews pre-reviewed. This would be fine if it was the standard, but I assure you: none of my straight male colleagues seek permission to go on podcasts promoting their books.

>What Marvel should have done is assign me a special projects editor. They should have worked with a specialty PR firm, rather than repeat a tiresome cycle of treating the book like a square peg, and getting confused when it’s a hit.

They do realize, they just reward behavior that is appealing to their worldview and punish that which isn't. Pretty logical.

>Give us a real seat at the table

>There was a moment before Iceman was cancelled where I wrote then-editor-in-chief Axel Alonso an email, pleading for a Hail Mary arc. I explained that Iceman was landing with a newer generation of readers who focused more on binge-reading than month-to-month periodicals. The series needed time in the book market before its true strength could be assessed. To Axel’s credit, he was warm to the idea and even gave me an extra month, but when he left Marvel that idea got brushed away. Of course I was right. The first two volumes sold like gangbusters thanks to word-of-mouth, librarian love, and support from retailers big and small.

>When the series returned, no one at Marvel asked me: “What do you think landed with readers?” Nor did they ask the question that Axel did: “What matters to your community?” So when I wrote what I thought the fans would be into, a story about a man learning to be a better ally in the war against hate, editorial totally missed its value.

>Seat at the table pt II: The Shade of it all

>All of the weird drama I put up with crystallized when I created a drag queen mutant, first called Shade, now called Darkveil. I told my editor that Shade would be a big deal for X-Fans, and asked how we should promote her. He said: “leave it up to the reader’s interpretation.” Everyone at Marvel shrugged off two years of goodwill and acted like I’d coordinated behind their backs on an announcement that made headlines. Beyond mentioning on Instagram the queens who inspired the character, I didn’t coordinate shit. Of course, their head publicist can’t admit that my quotes were pre-approved from an unreleased interview. At this point, I stopped believing that there’d be any more work for me. There were so many shady moves on their end that I’m still having trouble putting into language, but it all aligned with an experience I had in retail where a corrupt manager kept lying and moving the goal posts in order to keep me selling in a department I didn’t want to work in. I offered to give Darkveil a proper character bio, and I walked away.

>I recognize that some of my complaints can be filed under “this is freelance life.” I am aware that it was not a queer person of color who joked to me that “it’s not a matter of if Marvel fucks you over, it’s a matter of when.” That came from a cis white male. The same-day turn-arounds without warning, the work emails on Christmas week… that’s the freelance bullshit. Truly, I don’t even think of this as discrimination, I call it general ineptness. It is my belief that if we are telling stories about heroes doing the right thing in the face of adversity, wouldn’t the hope be to embody those ideals as individuals? Instead of feeling like I worked with some of the most inspiring and brave people in comics, I was surrounded by cowards.

>Truly, I hate writing this. In keeping with Pride Month, I am proud of the work I did on Iceman… I love the book! It sucks that I may be tarnishing its legacy going public about how the cookies were made. That said, the time for self-congratulating is over, and folks should be earnestly listening when they ask: what could we have done better?

All of these SJW radical political zealots are ticking timebombs for massive PR complaints. If they get fired for doing a shitty job or causing too much drama, they will invariably create a victim narrative in the press about themselves within 3 months.

These people destroy companies from the inside and if they get fired for any reason they will spend their lives trying to destroy and slander their former employer using their protected status as "oppressed minorities".

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> I am aware that it was not a queer person of color who joked to me that “it’s not a matter of if Marvel fucks you over, it’s a matter of when.” That came from a cis white male.

I blame Bendis for starting this mess.

>>What Marvel should have done is assign me a special projects editor. They should have worked with a specialty PR firm, rather than repeat a tiresome cycle of treating the book like a square peg, and getting confused when it’s a hit.

Sina Grace is more special than every other writer at marvel and deserves more special treatment as validation for his specialness.

Chelsea Cain's acrimonious split from Marvel was pretty funny.

This SJW faggot is just upset no one wants to buy his trash and he couldn't even finish a year's worth of books. Marvel is shit-tier now, and this guy is just another turd in the septic tank.

what is even being insinuated by Sina here? I do not speak millennial homo. Can any one translate?

That a straight cis white dude told him Marvel will fuck him over because it fucks everyone over.

It's pretty simple ?

Um-so isn't he just telling Sina that Sina is going to be treated like everyone else? Isn't that a good thing?

>writer agrees to write a story
>the story is shit and the writing is heavily criticized
>it's not the writer's fault for writing it because they say so
People actually subscribe to this logic?

I can see people defending these SJW's because "big bad corporation shat on the little guy".

>I worked for a huge company
>a huge company being a huge company, they're dicks to the employees
>I will now shit on said company publically when they already have big boy muscles to flex without being antagonized
>why won't they hire me again

Sina Grace is oppressed and gay. Nothing is his fault. The world has been against him from the beginning and Sina Grace is brave and stunning simply for making it as far as he has. He needs to be appraised and validated for his every accomplishment, and even his failures are actually successes. This is what it means to love. Sina knows what it truly means to have Pride.

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I keep hearing “The book sold gangbusters!”. Is that actually true? Because if it was, I don’t think Marvel would have cancelled it.

This is absolutely sour grapes.

Sina expects special treatment.

What if instead of Wolverine shit Marvel Comics Presents was various stories about solo X-Men

it sold enough to get a second series/volume.

the specialist of special snowflakes

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It doesn't matter if there is or isn't an agenda, the only agenda they need to have is to write good books. They don't do that.

>it sold enough to get a second series/volume.
How do we know Marvel wasn’t being nice and just giving a gay character extra issue so they didn’t look like bigots cancelling a gay character’s book just as it started?

I mean, if Ice Man was such a huge hit to totes deserve two volumes, why haven’t they tried rebooting the book? I mean, Miles and Kamala get reboots, but Ice Man has no solo.

I can't believe people are unironically defending Marvel editorial of all people. Gotta do your part to fight the boogeyman, I guess.

>why haven’t they tried rebooting the book?

well the writer walked. and Hickman's doing his big X thing

>ICE MAN WAS LITERALLY THE MOST POPULAR BOOK IN EXISTENCE!!!! IT SHOULD HAVE HAD A HUNDRED ISSUES!!! I SHOULD HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO MAKE ICE MAN SUCK COCK ON PANEL AND MAKE HIM A CROSSDRESSER!!! I AM A GODDESS! BOW DOWN BEFORE ME, MARVEL!

>Why did Marvel ban me?!!!

They could have tried before Hickman’s reboot. They had plenty of opportunities. Even Rogue and Gambit (gasp! A heterosexual couple!) got a book.

>to show the trolls that I was more than a diversity hire.
So she wanted Marvel to lie?

cringe and niggerpilled
don't ever post again

He. Sina is a male faggot.

>Never mind that my work on Iceman had gotten positive press in the New York Times (in-print), or that in spite of (since-deleted) critical sandbagging, the series nets glowing reviews on Amazon
Yes, exactly, never mind that. Sales are all that matters. Marvel is a business

>it is a “woke writer/artist realizes big corporations don’t actually care about diversity and just want to look progressive to twitter and the mainstream media and that employees are expendable” episode
Darn, another rerun!

Grace isn't a woman, he's a gay Paki.
See

Is it fair to start referring to SJWs and radical political leftists as locust people?

Wait, he's a guy?

He''s a Paki? Get this man on Ms Marvel ASAP!

>>What Marvel should have done is assign me a special projects editor. They should have worked with a specialty PR firm, rather than repeat a tiresome cycle of treating the book like a square peg, and getting confused when it’s a hit.

I agree with this, so many smaller books marvel and DC just send out to die. As the editor said "most solo X-Men titles don't last beyond a year" is going to keep happening if they put them through the same tired PR cycle, having the comic on the front page of marvel website doesn't mean shit.

>I explained that Iceman was landing with a newer generation of readers who focused more on binge-reading than month-to-month periodicals. The series needed time in the book market before its true strength could be assessed. To Axel’s credit, he was warm to the idea and even gave me an extra month, but when he left Marvel that idea got brushed away. Of course I was right. The first two volumes sold like gangbusters thanks to word-of-mouth, librarian love, and support from retailers big and small.
No one acknowledging that she was totally right? Just gonna keep riding the hate train in spite of facts? Okay.

How is it that Sina and Aubrey Sitterson, two obnoxiously self-absorbed and tedious annoyances, both got their starts working for Kirkman, who by all indications is an even keeled schlub?

They're all going to last a year no matter what they do. floppies are overpriced and unattractive for new readers.

The big two (and big corporations in general) being jerks who toss writers/artists to the curb easily is common knowledge. Either your book becomes a smash hit and sells enough or you are tossed aside. Anyone with a brain knows companies like this are super strict and fickle. The problem is that many writers expect going to a big 2 company and expect to be treated like the second coming of Christ, like their book is Watchmen-tier.

The smart thing is to pack up and go indie. And if possible use any “woke positive reviews” you got from working at the big 2 to convince indie people to trust you. And try to be a success by making good and successful comics. And if you are success then you can probably go back to the big 2 company with more power and persuasion if you want (maybe you will even get a character that you always wanted)

Burning bridges is almost never a good idea. It just means less work for you.

>Yea Forums
>corporations are actually good and we should expect them to be shitty instead of hold them to a higher standard because the corporate overlords because God forbid I don't get my shitty spiderman comics every month

>“We’ll keep you in mind.”
this is industry speak for, "You're not that good at writing comics, but we want to be nice about it so you don't whine about discrimination."

this but unironically

All trades do better than singles comics until will refuse to change models until they die. Gayman was nothing special.

Also libraries keeping books alive with other people's money is fucking cancer

If it sold like gangbusters the book wouldn’t have been cancelled at two volumes. If Marvel cared they would have relaunched the book. They only kept it alive out of pity.

Sina is just sucking his own cock and trying to make it seem like his book was the most popular book ever made and that he is the greatest comic writer ever born. And that Marvel betraying him was worse than Alan Moore’s being shit on.

No one gives a shit about Ice Man. Getting praise from a woke mister or magazine doesn’t mean shit. Even the media already moved on from him after his book was cancelled.

Damn, you're really invested in this aren't you?

More like
>companies screwing people are A OKAY when it's people I disagree with
Pretty common form of hypocrite

Multinational conglomerates decided it's gonna be more profitable than not to come out in support of the LGBT community for Pride Month by drapping their social media in rainbows. Meaning money gained by such a publicity stunt would outweigh money lost from homophobes boycotting them.
The LGBT community called it "exploitation". No, honey, it's called "becoming mainstream", I hope it's everything you wished for.
I'm like 90% sure they have some kinda victimhood fetish at this point.

In other words: no, I don't care what a faggot who got two chances to write a miniseries says about being discriminated against.

>corporations should give special treatment to minorities because feelings

...people?

For knowing the basics of what the thread is about?

it's just so annoying

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Nah, I just read it, it's more of the cringe anti-SJW spiel that pops out whenever one of you culture warriors gets involved in the news cycle. Not bothering here.

>Never mind that my work on Iceman had gotten positive press in the New York Times (in-print), or that in spite of (since-deleted) critical sandbagging, the series nets glowing reviews on Amazon…
because if anyone gives any real criticism other than a glowing review, they're labeled bigots, homophobes, nazis, etc. in an attempt to have their careers destroyed, while getting their access to exclusive perks revoked. it's easier for some of these reviewers to just lie, and say garbage is gold, than to deal with the repercussions of being honest.

Screw Bendis and the gay community (Grace included) for ruining a character I liked.

>anti-SJW
>Boy, those anti-anti-SJW are sure...

>in spite of (since-deleted) critical sandbagging, the series nets glowing reviews on Amazon…

He's saying that the critics gave bad reviews but buyers on Amazon liked it. The opposite of your asinine shit

>Jew Terror

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I'm not saying anyone should get special treatment; I'm arguing that people shouldn't just accept bullshit as it is, and fight for companies to have more ethical policies. Now if you're too fucking stupid to see that, it's not my fault you lack an education. Keep sucking corporate cock.

>instead of hold them to a higher standard
What do you actually want Marvel to do?
Hire people with guns to break into homes and force people to buy comics they don’t want?
>COMICS NEED MORE PUBLICITY!
And how would you go about that? Marvel and DC already do everything they can to promote books. Most people just want to buy floppies or comics in general? You can have a giant billboard shilling your comic. You can have a tv commercial shilling your comic. You can have a paid celebrity shill your comic. You can try many things but most of it ain’t gonna do much.

>Keep sucking corporate cock.
Sounds like kink-shaming.
Why would you look down on a man getting off to sucking dick if you weren't like one of those anti-SJW fags fucking up the board daily?

>acrimonious
Rare word.

>my first editor asserted that Iceman would be DOA if it were “too gay,”

Mark Paniccia is hardly representative of the whole of Marvel especially since he is almost an outsider that gets the shitty editing jobs nobody wants. Trying to construe what he says as somehow a general attitude at Marvel is bullshit.

>SJW thinks a company is insufficiently woke
no shit, no one is 'pure' enough for SJWs. one of his complaints is that they didn't sufficiently promote this drag queen superhero that he created. most people don't want to see that shit, okay? i don't have a problem with gay people but flamboyant drag queens aren't something i want to be exposed to any more than necessary.

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oddly enough this is currently happening right now with a Oni Press and an sjw wackaloon they recently fired.

How dare you, user.
That character should have been given a hundred variant covers and a solo. I can’t believe bigots like Marvel wouldn’t do so.

And she's been going at it for 15 months.

Juicy, can you tell me more?

We won.

>this guy was given GGPR
Well that book is dead in the water now.

>one of his complaints is that they didn't sufficiently promote this drag queen superhero that he created.

OC's are rarely promoted by other writers because rarely does someone have the time or desire to devote to fleshing out a literal whose existence isn't pivotal in the least. If you want your OC to catch on then you have to be good enough to get multiple books and then insert the fucker into the plot for a book and then dip out. Do it long enough with one pivotal licensed character and the character becomes a mainstay of their supporting cast, like Steve the H.Y.D.R.A. agent, and then you know you would've made it.

Best advice though would be to make multiple OCs and hope that one of 'em sticks to the fucking wall. Law of averages is on his side here.

OP here, coming back. I regret what I started.

This.
Scott Snyder went through several OCs before Duke stuck.

that would the professional thing to do. these people are entitled, not professional.

What were you expecting?

Remember Harper Row?

I was dunno. I suppose I hoped more people reading this would take a step back and rethink the way they view this conspiratorial agenda... maybe realize it doesn't really exist, and definitely not in the way they think.

Y'know. Naive faith in humanity that doesn't belong on the board. Figured I should try anyway

Has there ever been any criticism about the way Bendis “the great one”(almost barfed) “wrote” Bobby’s reveal? No one behind here commented on it seeming like a mind fuck? Or the fact he was outed against his will?

Also I remember the iceman book, it sucked. Hell there was a great fight with Bobby up against three sentinels cleverly written with a solid epic ending that was completely undermined by him saying “yas qween”

You're on Yea Forums and in Yea Forumsco/ they don't realize what's really killing the industry. They just sperg about their SWJ strawman. When the industry colapse they will realize how wrong they were and even then some idiots wil continue sperging their conspiracy theories.

It's called astro-turfing, user. No body that consume these forms of media wants to admit they're being played.

You mean the person in the article? He was all for it, so nope.

Dont know what you were expecting?

considering how poorly received Bendis turning Iceman gay and the way he did it, it was a bad idea to make a gay Iceman solo book in the first place. it was doomed before it ever came out.

>Has there ever been any criticism about the way Bendis “the great one”(almost barfed) “wrote” Bobby’s reveal?
Yes, there were people that criticized Bendis outting a homosexual against his will. And there were people angry about Bendis’s Jean Grey comment about Bisexuality comment.

Most of the complaints got swept under rug and memory-holed.

He wanted that Kamala shield were they let it swim in shit monthly sales until the trades come out. But Iceman does not have the editorial backing that she did

It's okay to be wrong user. You needn't be so triggered when people correct you.

But the whole problem with turning an established character gay is the fact that you do in fact “taint” the character forever. Think about it Bobby went from an under utilized character with his own little history and place in the lexicon, and you just turned him into “the gay one” fuck couldn’t we have gotten a new character? Or at least a genuine push for Northstar? Whose been buried because the only thing most normies knew about him (being gay) now just renders him inert. Is this all “representation” means now? You just want popular characters to be your toys, you don’t want anything that feels real or was written specifically to represent what you want to see in yourselves?

>considering how poorly received Bendis turning Iceman gay and the way he did it
All of your little incel circlejerking anonymous boards don't consensus comprise, sweetie.

considering how public sentiment is slowly turning against drag queens thanks to all the creepy desmond is amazing shit, and 2 of the drag queen story time people getting outed as convicted pedophiles. putting a flamboyant drag queen on the x-men isn't the best thing to do right now.

Kamala is the biggest Muslim superhero (sorry Dust fans). Of course she is going to have pull.

Ice Man doesn’t. Being gay isn’t enough to save him. And worse he was an X-Men who for the longest time Marvel were keen on treating like shit.

Fuckin lol i thought you were joking. Are all gays supposed to talk the exact same or what? this doesn't even make sense for his character.

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They did the same to Nadia. Nobody knows the full amount that these books draw in the off market. It must be something since books that beat them in the floppies and trade stayed dead

He still has all that history though... it just adds more to him.

And I mean, even before 'representation' and whatever you mean by that, these characters have always been toys for whoever is writing them at the time. That's part of the fun.

>hostile or ambivalent environment

> hostile = kill the queers

> ambivalent = do whatever you want I don't give a fuck

Anyone who thinks these two are even comparable is mentally ill

>Best advice though would be to make multiple OCs and hope that one of 'em sticks to the fucking wall.
this is exactly how Rob Liefeld got so many of his creations to become integral players in the X-Men. for every 100 failures you get a Cable, Deadpool, or Domino, etc.

Grace literally wrote Bobby confronting Jean about outing him the relaunched mini IIRC.
Not a huge fan of his writing but that was the one thing that I thought was actually pretty compelling in an otherwise so-so book.

Honestly not anymore, the way he “came out” then sending him back into his own past with an acceptance I guess pretty much means that all of the history he had is out the window because his relationships now never happened. Fuck the one thing I wanted to see out of this mess, mystique mind fucking him by making him fall in love with her as a man. Can never happen because he could’ve never have been in a relationship with her in the first place

Shogun has pretty much gone on full repair and been fixing Marvel after ANAD/Now2. He’s brought back all the white hetro characters that were dead and forced many of the legacies back into their old roles. He fixed Peter and Mary Jane’s relationship. He brought back Fantastic Four. And much more.

hahahahahahahaha

Of course there's no fucking conspiracy like every moron seems to think, but that doesn't change the way people feel about the stories and the people feel about them.
Shit, ANAD was a terrible time for Marvel even if there was no conspiracy behind it.

I keep anticipating some e-celeb will make a video series of all of Bendis' story-wrecking decisions and fuck that up

Nah that all got undone. Teen Bobby was straight again

Is the way to fixing Iceman making him flamboyantly gay or just being a full Rule 63 icicle chick?

Where the FUCK is the Iceman PORN

>and the people feel about them
I meant to say "the way people feel about the writers", fucked that one up.

ANAD sure. Personally though, Marvel Now was what got me into Marvel for the first time and I see a lot of people calling that the start of the agenda.

I guess it just shows different things appeal to different people, and just because it doesn't appeal to you doesn't mean they're trying to destroy comics.

And btw, I mean the OG 2012 Marvel Now. Not the awful Dedeato art Post Civil War II mess (why the fuck did they name two of them that).

>Iceman
>being fixed
HA, he was fucked even before turning gay. Until you get a writer that's willing to deal with the fact that he may as well be an elemental and has utter control over particle physics alongside essentailly being the most OP mutant to ever exist, he's going to remain in a clusterfuck state.

The correct way should be Teen Bobby actually goes gay, but this doesn't affect Adult Bobby, but the big problem comes from that Battle of The Atom event where Bendis wrote himself into a bad position, where O5 dying could mean the present versions not existing.

So in a deeper regard, the big issue with that whole deal was in itself Bendis.

>write a shit book
>it fails to sell
>marvel give him another chance
>book is still shit and still fails to sell
>claim it's all marvels fault and that they actually hate the gays
What a faggot

I feel like this is kinda why it was Iceman they chose for this. I feel like his classic depiction, basically naked smooth skin baby blue buff guy endeared him to gay fans.

Nobody thinks the company is run by "sjws"".
The problem is that the executives listen to the loud minorities that rule twiiter. Which is what is actually killing the industry, seeing the far left took complete control of that place.

try looking up how easy it is to manipulate amazon's algorithms, there are several articles out there documenting it. my favorite is the guy who took a picture of an old shoe with a dirty sock to show up as an amazon best seller.
all you literally have to do is sell 10 copies of anything in a short amount of time and they label it a best seller.
one more thing, go on amazon and read the reviews. they're almost all single sentence bot reviews by that offer no insight into the product, with the exception of a few. sandbagging goes both ways.

>just because it doesn't appeal to you doesn't mean they're trying to destroy comics
Sure, but that doesn't excuse shit stories and runs that can last for years.
For example, I don't care if Slott is doing a good job with the FF because I'll never read anything from him after dealing with 10 years of his bullshit on Spider-Man.

I say, we make him exactly like Ray

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Ice Man’s book was literally the most popular comic book ever made in the history of mankind. And it sold more than Ewing’s Immortal Hulk and Slott’s Amazing Spider-Man.

There is literally no reason Marvel should have cancelled it.

I liked Harper until she began to become a thing. I dipped out of comics then so I don't know what came of heard but I imagine negative things. I remember Yea Forums being lukewarm to upset with her as her existence pretty much phased out Harold, the original general maintenance keeper of the Batcave for a literal who with a crappy attitude.

Yep. This is why I don't understand when people sit down and draft entire universes and expect success. Like I understand setting a foundation for your narrative to unfold in as theorycrafting for your OC but you have to understand that the DC and Marvel Universes didn't happen over night. Multiple writers and artists in and out of the industry contributed thousands upon thousands of characters and that's how it grew. I don't see why people stonewall themselves indefinitely by trying to recreate what took decades to accomplish.

which issue? I didn't see it

whatever you say, sweetie i read your comment like Yoda btw, since it kind of reads like his way of speaking.

What? We’re not the same person

his book got cancelled cause it sucked, and marvel brought it back and let him write it again, and it still sucked. He was lucky, but of course he's going to bad mouth them. Good luck with future employment when you talk shit about your last employer to the internet

scholastic buys them up for pennies on the dollar, and puts them in libraries where they rot on the shelf.
also stuff like this happens once or twice a year bleedingcool.com/2018/05/17/ollies-bargain-outlet-marvel-dc-comics/ if you're into collecting trades, and live near one of these places, this is the way to go. Ollies sells all of these book for $3, no matter if it's a regular trade, a hardcover omnibus, or even a $100 Absolute edition.

Who entertains you more?
Sina disgrace or marvel?

Cope the post

He's got Kirkman behind him, unfortunately he'll never be gone.

You don't understand idiot, Sina was to be the new marvel. The better marvel.

> Shocked that the company owned by Ike Perlmutter isn't as left as it claims in it's marketing and social media

Did everyone forget when they tired to do a comic about Tony Stark and a real defense contractor?

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it got cancelled because it was a book about Iceman. nobody gives a shit about Iceman

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What's the point of these blatant lies?

Wow he looks like he's cringing as he's saying that.

Maybe you are just chasing windmills and need to read the books instead of listen clown in yourube.

It's sarcasm, user. Something that casuals on the internet can't seem to comprehend.

the most egregious example of this is Captain America. they let nick spencer destroy that character forever. it doesn't matter how much damage control they do, and how they attempt to memory hole it. we all know the current Cap is a copy made by the loli cube, and the real one is still out there somewhere being a nazi.
i'd like to think that spencer maybe realized during his hiatus between Cap and Spider-Man he went too far in his TDS and destroyed an American icon. i figure that's why his Spidey is pretty straight forward Spider-Man stuff. i bet he's also got eyes on him at all times now making sure he doesn't fuck up the face of the company.

he should have asked that question when he got hired if he cared so much

Just try and say "and it sold more than something else" sarcastically, fuckass

i kinda figured Harper was meant to fill in the gap left by Oracle. i didn't have a problem with that.

Wait, is present iceman gay too now or only still the time traveled one?

There are not PR complaints. The people are still buying Marvel because like pic related they buy comics just for force of habit.

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they're both gay. past bobby and the rest of the O5 got sent back with their minds wiped

my bad, meant to put a "see" in there, using your post as an example of why Bendis' asspull was poorly received.

people will forget, just like Tony Stark and the Crossing

>people are still buying Marvel because like pic related they buy comics just for force of habit

I always think about Kurt Busiek's massive butthurt fan letter he sent as a teen about Claremont's X-Men. Saying he was going to quit buying the comic, after stopping and starting other times before, but for realz this time.

>rest of the O5 got sent back with their minds wiped

Wait is that actually how their story fucking ended?!

he always has been the least compelling of the original five x-men.

Yes. Bobby went back to being straight until he meets teen him and becomes a homo.

This. In Universe he's a star player for the X-Men and his popularity is warranted. But Iceman and alot of popular mutants are hard draws as solo titles. Though I would like to see someone fucking try something new with Nightcrawler. He's got legs.

To that end don't either. But didn't she eventually put on a cape and become a meta or am I confusing her with someone else?

I feel like that directly states that he’s only gay due to mind rape

>says about being discriminated against.
He isn't talking about being disciminated. He is talking about how Marvel "wokeness" is not real. They only do things for a pat in the back, just expecting the right moment to drop things.

This. I've pulled some pretty good hauls from there. I just bought the JLA Year One deluxe $50 hardcover for $10 the other day.
The problem is getting a complete set of a series. First two volumes of Seven Soldiers of Victory for $3 each? Yes please. But then I have to buy the rest full price somewhere else.
But it is good for checking out stuff, since it's less that a 22 page floppy.
But there is a lot of crap, too. And all the Grimm's Fairy Tales you could ever want.

If anything, that's what happened to Hulkling. But no one's ever touching that shitshow

Gah. By there, I mean Ollies.

apparently so. the better way to end it, and it was sort of hinted here and there, was to say that beast somehow pulled them from an alternate reality's past that was destroyed, and turn them into an Exiles team.

I always had this problem with the gay characters. Why they need to become fruity and flamboyant? Why they can't be written like Midnighter?

I'm pretty sure Snyder has said that the only reason why Harper was created was because Didio didn't allow them to use Cass or Steph for the longest time.

That's what every writer other than Bendis were setting up, but they all got fucked by Bendis' initial teen Cyclops = adult Cyclops link. Whoever ended up being the one that sent them back had to end them being the 50s team no matter what.

>HE got demoted
why are you making up shit, he never ran the site, he was always just a writer.

Yes. Remember he had reintroduced Cass into the main cast for Gates of Gotham for his upcoming run on Batman and Didio used New 52 as an excuse to embargo Cassandra Cain.

Exactly. And the X-fags are the worst offenders. They are the battered wives in comics. Every run is always shittier they still keep coming back.

go to ebay to fill in the gaps

Fuck Sina, you got to do an Iceman "ongoing" and decide to just write about how much gay sex he is having/wants to have.

How could anyone forget "fan favorite" Harper Row

Court of Owls was originally going to be a DickBat story starting with The Black Mirror, but then the New 52 happened.

he actually had iceman skip a friend's funeral to get some dick, which he then had all of the x-men praise him for doing that... that's fucking sociopathic.

Hey I stopped after AvX. But that doesn't mean I don't want to come back if marvel writes a good story. Rightclops has to be in it though.

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Gays are sociopaths. That's just how they are, deal with it

>nobody gives a shit about solo x-men
Storms book sold like shit.

If I remember correctly, the only solo mutie book (outside of anything labelled Wolverine or Deadpool) to sell past 12 issues in recent history is Magneto. Maybe Asmus' Gambit too. But everything else straight up died at 12.

>by cowards
Iceman was a nuclear accident of a book they wanted you to not ruin your fucking career

Based shogun doing the sjw purge

duke was damien's dog right?

Gambit and wolverine sold well solo

>i just went and got more press from nyc
Literally i just went and called my friends in the industry

Kek do they think that's real crticism? How retarded you have to be?

>forces the companies hand calling on his writer friends about a nothing character as if it was a big deal
>make it so marvel can't back out on their word or they'll suffer reputation loss
>wonder why they blacklisted you

Kek that lacl of self awareness

Because women and gay people LOVE the embarrassing gays.

>and gay people
Speak for yourself. As a gay person, when I skimmed a few issues of the Ice Man comics I assumed it was written by a resentful out straight white guy trying to sell a trendy idea while simultaneously making fun of gay guys.

Wolverine was originally created to be a throw away Hulk character. Claremont was intrigued by his look and powers, so he put him in Giant Size X-Men. sometimes you get lightning in a bottle. honestly though, Wolverine lost a lot of his appeal when they decided to reveal the mystery of his past.
overall though X-Men characters are created to be part of an ensemble cast, and that's how they work best.

Claremont didn't write Giant Size

btw, Lil Depressed Boy is pretty fantastic

Also 90% of all marvel ocs are lazily created for contract royalty money. You can create as many you want for your own book

Its why almost all bendis characters (and most academy x era chars) have been prerty much dropped. Nobody wants to shill another creators oc, its bad ettiquette in the workplace.

Any hopes ofna modern new char coming back to books after the creator left is if the book was good enough for a fan to remember it 10 years later.

The royalty system needs to go.

Which comics and Movies, recommend for someone who hates the slut disney, hates marvel, hates star wars, hates lucas film hates pixar and hates Fox?

More like the agenda was an early 2010s thing and we are about to hit 2020s. Things changed. Marvel has been getting ther shit together. The ony survivor from the sjw clique of the 10s seems to be sana amarat. Becuase she actually knows how to do her job.

>I needed Marvel to stand by me with more work opportunities to show the trolls that I was more than a diversity hire.
"give me more work because i'm a gay man to prove that you didn't hire me because i'm a token gay man." wow, what an entitled asshole. did he not realize how bad that sentence would come off when he wrote it.

Remember Charcoal?

Nope

you're right, it was Len Wein (who co-created Wolverine). my bad.

>Claremont was intrigued by his look and powers, so he put him in Giant Size X-Men. sometimes you get lightning in a bottle.
sigh. Wolverine was created specifically to be in X-Men. Claremont had nothing to say about it. GSXM was created specifically with international characters out of pure marketing, you fucking casual

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Unless he is going to become a tranny and he means HIS future is female I don’t see why a gay man would see that as a good thing for him or his partners

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Havent read thunderbolts, been reading french shit since avx happened

but he wasn't created specifically for the x-men. he was a throw away hulk character, confirmed by one of the guys who created him.
>Herb Trimpe talking about the creation of Wolverine with Roy Thomas, Len Wein, and John Romita Sr.
Trimpe said he "distinctly remembers" Romita's sketch and that, "The way I see it, Romita and Wein sewed the monster together and I shocked it to life!... It was just one of those secondary or tertiary characters, actually, that we were using in that particular book with no particular notion of it going anywhere. We did characters in The Incredible Hulk all the time that were in particular issues and that was the end of them."

As a DC reader thank god our gay is Steve Orlando, because Sina Grace makes Orlando look like a goddamn genius in comparison.

Nobody gay wanted Iceman to be gay.

We wanted Nightcrawler that’s why there’s so much gay Nightcrawler porn.

Orlando's gay?

Yes

comics people need to unionize

DC also had Matthew Sturges (now known as Lilah Sturges), and Robert Rodi writing for them for years.
DC gay writers > Marvel gay writers

Orlando's done some good comics (Martian Manhunter rules right now) but he has such a Morrison-boner and a boner in general for 90s DC that it's kind of grating desu

Almost like they were trying to bandwagon into a perceived trend rather than expressing any sincerely held beliefs, which is why the attempt s at social consciousness were so simplistic and condescending to begin with.

Very.

His twitter account is a mix of comics, his boyfriend, and being thirsty about professional wrestlers.

He’s hit or miss for me.

I love Midnighter, Manhunter, and the Batman/Shadow books, but JLA, and that Nuclear Men book sucked.

hence, some good comics

those last two are awful. I gave jla so many chances too because I liked the team he wrote

is it because Nightcrawler is a devout Catholic? or is it because in Claremont's original scrapped origin Mystique turns into a dude and knocks up Destiny with baby Kurt?

All this proves is that comicsgate is 100% right about the state of the comics industry.

This, this so much. Bobby becoming the "perverted uncle" was so embarrasing to see. The X-fags were not stranger to the idea of Bobby being shipped in a gay relationship. But they want the original Bobby. The charming, boyish one. Not the OC they give us.

I really dug him. The Thunderbolts were great. It's a shame the contest winner and creator of Charcoal started bitching about rights and royalties and ownership disputes that editorial just murked the dude and was done with the entire affair. Used to be if you created a character under the label you owned that character. Ain't like that anymore.

this

If anything proves how delusional are. There is not real interest of Marvel pushing "wokeness", they just wanted pat in the back by themselves.

Bunn should stick to writing villain books, that's what he's good at.

I think it’s the tail.

I never would have thought that somebody would be a fan of Aztek but Orlando proved me wrong.

Why dy'all hate gays so much? fuck y'all...

It helps that Orlando is a genuine DCfag who wants to write more stories than just, "this character is gay, yas kween!!!!"

hmm, they do love reminding us all the time that his tail is prehensile

If only he could actually write.

It would be better get get rid of gays with agendas in the comic business. People don't want it and they especially reject anything trans. Unless the big two recognize this, they will cease to exist. All that will be lift is the Indiegogo market.

Open question to anyone, is marvel still filled with the sjw leftist bullshit?
I know everything from 2015 to 2018 is unreadable. Just wondering if they are still doing that shit or not.

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No, Sana Amarat is the chief source of all cancer, as far as being the tumor from which all over tumors are spawned from.

And Amarat only has her fucking job at Marvel because she's both a sand nigger and because she "knows the Obamas" (which makes her a big fucking deal to Obama worshipping liberals).

So long as she's at Marvel, NOTHING will change and the SJW death kult will still reign supreme. She needs to be straight up fired via radical chemotherapy or else Marvel's irrevocably fucked.

just start reading dc exclusively. that's what I did

I'm wondering if this is a permanent thing.

according Amanat, marvel is a "lifestyle brand", not a comics company.

>everything from 2015 to 2018 is unreadable

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>the agenda that they have which many percieve isn't really there, or as prominent as they think it is
Marvel is not actually progressive? Colour me surprised.

the pendulum seems to be slowly swinging back towards the center. just don't expect the leftist stuff to go away completely, it's too late for that.

And how is that working out for you now?

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yes

He's saying he knows that Marvel fucks everyone and he hasn't been singled out because he's gay. Its just a shitty company to work for.

Tynion is bi as well.

lol, for real. 90% of what i buy now is back issues and trades. almost nothing new that the big 2 are putting out appeals to me.

tynion is only good when snyder is holding his hand though

>"ANY DAY NOW IT'LL SWING BACK!"

You people keep saying this for the last 10 years.

No, switch to Comicsgate. Now.
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Alright you fucks. Gather round. Here’s a simple solution. Marvel should just make an imprint like vertigo or black label where all the sjws can fuck off too. Hell just call it the “fuck off label”. Now sjws can write whatever the fuck they want and they dont have to taint the marvel legacy that jack kirby, john byrne and chris claremont built. Let women be women. Fuck it. Are you fucks happy now?

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marvel quarantining virtue signaling legacy characters to their own shitty books, and bringing the originals back to prominence. not to mention quietly letting go of the gabby riveras, sina graces, etc. and hiring back a lot of their old marquee creators from more successful times seems to be showing that they figured out the big progressive push wasn't making any money. it's most likely putting a band-aid on a bullet wound but at least they're doing something.

I’m glad that it’s just the writers like Aaron’s fault and not the higher ups. We already knew these guys all sucked because almost all their comics suck and would still suck without the sjw stuff. So they were shit regardless. But if this mean the guys in charge aren’t retarded too that’s great because maybe there is hope that someone can turn this shit around. And it sounds like the Shogun rumors or true, I shouldn’t have doubted it.

I also just read DC now. Although I just recently dropped anything Bendis is attached to or could influence in any way.

So just resurrect Icon?

DC did that with Vertigo and it failed miserably.

>Are you fucks happy now?
no shitlord, all of theM HAVE TO BE GaY.

i've picked up a few of them, but i can't really justify dropping $20 or more on a 30-40 page book, which most of them seem to be at the moment. i'd like to pick up Mike S. Miller's Lonestar and Brand (Caanan White is a fucking beast of an artist), but i think i can wait until they put out a collected edition.
currently watching Friday Night Auctions on Mike's yt channel btw

I think the main problem is that a lot of the new writers aren't getting the proper training they need.

eventually it'll be like peak bendis marvel. his influence will be in everything. get out now, and save some money while you still can.

I would agree except I don't even need to read the article to know he means they don't want to go far enough. Noboyd was going to buy Icefag no matter what because nobody buys the idea that Bobby's gay at all since it was pulled out of nowhere.

imagine if Marvel brought back Epic Comics

You know people might hate faggots less if they weren't such faggots all the time. Some self-important queer thinks he's more important than a dozen other writers at Marvel with a real name even though nobody knows who the fuck he is because he happens to like blowing other men.

Kamala's Fake Popular. Only the first TPB of the pre-Secret Wars series sells.

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You heard what I said.

Put the cat down and pull it to your temple.

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If it jams... Maybe next time you buy the right gun from the dealer you were told to go to.

No?

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Do you literally have aspergers? Way to miss the point. The point is that from a publishing standpoint neither a hostile or ambivalent reader is going to keep a series going.

That's actually a good term for them because they actually are a level beyond your normal bug person. They're bug people who come in, destroy and leave. They really are locusts.

they want everything to become a part of their agenda
if you give these people an inch they'll take a mile

It's not so much defending Marvel "editors" as much as it is eyerolling at a whiny bitch thinking he was special. The only thing he had a real point on was the idea of how titles are released being outdated.

>Marvel should just make an imprint like vertigo or black label where all the sjws can fuck off too

What if you guys just stopped getting mad over women in comics?

>just start reading dc exclusively
Hahahaha imagine having such shitty tastes and bragging about it

Since this is the goobergate thread, I'd just like to take this moment to laugh at Ethan Van Sciver's retarded dancing monkey "ideas guy" Nassir Rabidi, who was finally kicked out of Ethan's empire. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

I can't believe an ideas guy with no clout would try to stiff an artist on a crowdfunded book by only offering him 50/50 on a book that only would've raised $10,000 max. Imagine trying to get an artist in a first world country to draw/color/letter a 60 page graphic novel for probably $1,500 after taxes.

>108416515
terrible bait user

The only decent thing DC has is Morrison.
That means you must be reading ONE book otherwise it wouldn't check out and it would result in you being a retard with no taste at all, since everything else is pure unfiltered garbage.

I heard he was going to leave DC soon

That and they aren't getting the proper editing. These people need to learn how to research characters properly before tackling them in a new story. Christ.

A good compromise is when both parties are unhappy. Just make two marvels. Fuck it see what happens. We tried everythg else

>Nassir Rabidi, who was finally kicked out of Ethan's empire. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
What did he do specifically? And did this happen live on stream?

He said that when he was still getting tv work but happy was just cancelled. He's bound to stick around now i guess.

What if they just don't give a shit about people who retardedly bitch about continuity in comics as if it matters at all?

good, I love GL and want him to have a long run on it

the problem with these token hires is that they expect to be in the spotlight immediately. they don't want, and won't accept any kind of mentoring. they'll take that as some kind of perceived offense. the entitlement these people have is obscene.
dc was notorious for mentoring their writers and artists, especially when paul levits was running the show. they've done it with everyone who's ever been a big name at dc. it's a big reason why nick the dick spencer burned all of his dc bridges and fucked off to marvel. he wanted a marquee book when he still hadn't proven himself yet after 2 critically well received but low selling minis and some fill in issues. dc said not yet, but we'll give you the supergirl ongoing instead, and see what the future holds if you can make something out of it. he didn't like that, threw a fit claiming dc disrespected him and left.

Yeah, apparently he isn't happy with Didio or something.
I don't blame him, the guy is probably just tired of his bullshit.

First steps, lad

First steps

I'm not sure it's official but the other night hun snuck on Ethan's stream and Yellow Flash jumped on to yell at him. Say's he saw private rooms where he was shiting on cmicsgate and specifily Ethan. Shit was funny. EVS was trying to have a stream to promote books to he kicked them both off.

I don't know it's kind of sad that the Moore curse keeps Morrison from reaching his dreams.

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Hi, there are digital versions of some comics. Okay, they are not always much cheaper, but sometimes bigger.

5$: indiecron.com/campaigns/jungle-comics.html
100+ pages for 18$: indiegogo.com/projects/monster-m-d/
68 pages for 12$: indiegogo.com/projects/shinobi-sasquatch-book-one/

Also there is dynamite.com which might be good, though I can't confirm that yet.

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>Becuase she actually knows how to do her job.
You ARE fucking kidding

Bitch also claimed "those characters are so iconic, it doesn't matter who's under the mask :D". She's completely fucking clueless about the products she pushed to be ruined.

That's to be expected, but at least it doesn't ruin the stuff fans actually want and buy.

Because as we've seen from the 00's and 10's, that kind of thinking only temporarily works.

All the "FUCK CONTINUITY, I DO WHAT I WANT" thinking ever did was become more responsible for increased laziness and sloppiness. And it wasn't like "oh, Spider-Man shouldn't have done this because of this thing in issue #324" or whatever. There were stupider, sloppier mistakes like Crystal thinking she never had a kid. Or Jason Aaron's stupid, artificial attempts to prioritize grandstanding messages over characterization (Titania suddenly finds sisterhood with Jane even though a key point of her character is her animosity toward She-Hulk).

Everyone makes mistakes. This is unavoidable, you won't get continuity right 100% of the time. But you can at least try, and I don't get the impression that 2010's Marvel really tried at all.

>But you can at least try, and I don't get the impression that 2010's Marvel really tried at all.
They actually fired a lot of their editors around 2011. You can even tell by the great final storylines before a HUGE drop in quality, at the same time the agendas start going full force.

Worrying endlessly about continuity is poison to writers. Bendis is right. Comics are a loss leader to sell movies and toys anyways. The stories themselves and issues sold don't matter one bit.

And that kind of thinking is why so much stuff in the 2010's is terrible.

i'm old school, i gotta have the book in my hands. digital doesn't do it for me.
i feel like Dynamite could just be the new home for these CG guys thanks to EVS making $47,000 on a variant cover of Vampirella/Re-Animator #1, a book that came out a year ago. not to mention Dynamite not bending the knee when the extremely loud but very few started screeching about Priest and his new Vampirella series (which #1 went on to sell 130,000 as a result).

Guess what, the people working on the comics at Marvel don't really make money off movies and toys, so they better get their heads out of their asses and put some actual work into it.

Good numbers. I got to talk to him a bit about that when I talked to him.

Some other things too.

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>Also there is dynamite.com which might be good, though I can't confirm that yet.
How the fuck have you just found out about Dynamite? How fucking new are you?

That he's treated equally? Yes that's a good thing
That they treat everyone like shit? No, that's not good.

Like, what he's saying he knows marvel didn't fuck him over because of his gayness or non-white-ness (he's not white, right?), they fucked him over because that's what they do to everyone.

Priest is a good man, and it was infuriating to see those weaselly assholes try to attack him for being honest. I'm happy to see he's doing so well right now. i dig that art on Shinobi Sasquatch, i have that one on my watch list and might pull the trigger soon on picking it up.

right, but as you keep reading he goes on to contradict himself basically say they fucked him over because he's gay. i don't think he thought this rant through very well before he wrote it, he really comes off as an entitled asshole.

read Zenescope instead

Orlando fucking sucks, his JLA was worse than Hitch
Marvel had Rodi write a based Thor

>Truly, I don’t even think of this as discrimination, I call it general ineptness.

Maybe you should read it again. He's very pointedly bitching about being a freelancer. He does call them cowards later, but that's because he felt they didn't want to give this book, which was selling well in trade, a good enough push because they were afraid of the 'conservative' backlash.

Did you see his Flash movie pitch? It was complete cancer

i did read it, he's playing the gay card like a bitch. fuck him, and fuck him his trumped up scholastic library sales. the guy is a piece of trash, period.

Honestly if he decided to "write for trades", he didn't do himself any favors. Should make every issue count.
Not like it would sell either way, but it's something to keep in mind.

have you seen Happy!
It's complete cancer

the Happy comic wasn't one of his better books either though

Sounds like you haven't seen it

you "people" really need to die.

Is that you, Akira?

It's okay, he can't hurt you anymore.

>He still has all that history though... it just adds more to him.
No it doesn't, when you do something shitty like this to a character it hurts decades of established character they already had. Bobby Drake was encouragible with women, had tons of girlfriends, basically the xmen's torch. He had a family in a few end of the world/passing of the torch stories like earth x.

When you do something shitty like Bendis usually does and disregard previously established canon, you fuck the character for a long time.

>these characters have always been toys for whoever is writing them at the time. That's part of the fun.
Generally when you did this you wrote them in fucking character and told a story with them that remained consistent with that character retard. This is what editorial was there for, that and making sure it wasn't contradicting canon.

>And I mean, even before 'representation' and whatever you mean by that,
Oh fuck off you disingenuous slug creature, you don't even read comics.

So you didn't even read the quotes, huh? Sina is criticizing how Marvel pretends to be really woke but in truth the editorial side of things is "oh we don't want to be TOO gay" where they aren't interested in doing anything but superficial lip several and barely put effort in to promote these books and then micromanage your independently done interviews and appearances by insisting on previewing and approving all of them because they freaked out that you were openly promoting a gay book. While they were never really being interested in trying give the book a fair shot to begin with. And when your book gets enough interest that it gets a continuation they basically bury the announcement by just putting it on their homepage.

Instead you addressing any of these points you try to just attack the writer personally due to your blatant negative bias.

>most people don't want to see that shit, okay?

Really explains the success of RuPaul then, doesn't it?

>they let nick spencer destroy that character forever

No they didn't. If Cap was destroyed forever how is his new book not already cancelled due to terrible sales? How is not every appearance of Cap not ruining a book? You're being a hysterical drama queen.

Yeah, we're really fighting "windmills" when the dragon burned down the fucking village, fuck off retard.
Bullshit, Sina is bitching because it's what entitled faggots like him do. If anything he's saying because he got fired it CAN'T be this woke paradise for sjw's people think it is. Except it is because I can't fucking read comics anymore and neither can half the former readerbase.

Shut the fuck up faggot. What he did was akin to Tony Stark turning evil and being replaced by a teenage him, except Cap didn't have the benefit of being b list at the time, this was also part of a huge comic event that was a giant issue for comic shops everywhere. It's a blemish on the character that will stay with him forever, and had comics been as big as they were two decades ago this would've been a bigger embarrassment.

It's a testament to why comics are such shit and why nobody reads tehm anymore.

>Secret Empire WAS my first comic book, how could you tell?

But that is popular. Not many TPBs from Marvel get constant reorders, maybe like Millar's Civil War or some Deadpool books. And Bookscan charts are sell-through, which means those numbers are actual purchases and not estimated preorders.

>Abloo bloo bloo SJWs!

So much crying with nothing to say.

> Sis, that’s a burial. Instead of clapping back
as someone in the LGBT community, I do not like that, appropriating black slang as gay, it's outdated and kinda racist

it´s literally just what sjws always do, cry victim of "oppression" when reality catches up to them.
we could give gays millions of dollar as a "oppression reparations" and put all white men in concentration camps and women, gays, muslims, blacks and trannies would still claim that they are being oppressed

>Faggots only NOW learn corporations are not their friends
Took them long enough.

>According to Sina Grace the agenda that they have which many percieve isn't really there
>Hired only because their gay
>To wright iceman who they turn gay
>Fail three times before being fired
>"Gee Marvel fired me because their not progress enough!"

No agenda here folks, any sane business would do the same.

>only NOW learn corporations are not their friends
You must be American.
Minority folks have never seen capitalists as friends.

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>Sina is criticizing how Marvel pretends to be really woke but in truth the editorial side of things is "oh we don't want to be TOO gay" where they aren't interested in doing anything but superficial lip several and barely put effort in to promote these books
That's what they do with straight characters so what's your point?

His claim that straight white creators don't need to clear their press is absolutely bullshit. Full stop. He didn't back that claim with a single example.

NO company would allow any employee to do PR about their IP without clearance. This silly faggot is a fool is he thinks anyone even in the marketing department is doing this.

Bake the cake bigot.

Kill yourself faggot.

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>The first two volumes sold like gangbusters thanks to word-of-mouth, librarian love, and support from retailers big and small.
Did they though?

Except for the fact that nobody ever told Sina that all podcast and other PR appearances had to be pre-vetted by Marvel. It only became a thing later. So either Marvel is so incompetent that they completely forgot to tell him that that was the standard practice, or they double down on him over fears that promoting a gay book would be dangerous PR without previewing it first.

If it didn't why would they go out of their way to bring back a book that was already canceled? The Wasp book did the same thing.

>promoting a gay book would be dangerous PR without previewing it first
It's quite logical. When gays want to stand out they stick dildos on their bodies alone with rainbow tattoos. They have no qualms about touching children when dressed like that, in fact they enjoy it.

This is unironically a pretty fun character design

>When people want to live without being shamed and attaked by randoms.

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>They could have tried before Hickman’s reboot. They had plenty of opportunities. Even Rogue and Gambit (gasp! A heterosexual couple!) got a book.
That happened at about the same time as Grace's 2nd Iceman series. It lasted longer because it sold better.

>these people have bad stereotypes about me
>I know, I'll shove dildos up my ass and shit on all straight white people, that'll make them love me

Didn't he get two chances at it? Why would they give him a third?

I legitimately don't know how his Iceman run could have been more gay, without being outright smut

It's not on last year's bookscan. It probably sold well enough to have them relaunch it, but not enough to save it the second time around.

>these people are bigots stereotypes about me
>I know, I'll just ignore then and be open about my identity instead of hiding
Keep crying, you Right-Wing SJW.

Because they noticed it sold okay-ish in the longer run by bringing in the target demographics and the crew behind the book doesn't have particularly expensive checks? You're allowed to say "it did better than expected", not everything sells like shit or like the best thing ever. Anyone could observe that these books only exist for Marvel to target demographics among the casual readership outside the usual Wednesday crowd, whether it's young girls, gays, chicanos, blacks etc.
These books ultimately only need to be doing okay to survive as long as it can be proven (which digital services' profiling does quite well) that there's a 42.7% spike in the black/lesbian/amputee readership and some good will by the editor.

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The only "proof" they never told him is his own words. It's not only industry practice it's fucking corporate practice. No job anywhere for any compan would ever want you doing press without their knowledge.

This isn't bizarre. What's bizarre is someone in publishing thinking it's odd.

Gay community did nothing fucking wrong dumbass

>faggots
>work for corporate company and wonder why they're all corporate and shit

>not wanting gay sex in a comic means you're centrist
THESE ARE COMICS FOR TEENS AT THE OLDEST THIS ISNT FUCKING PORN WHAT DO THESE FAGGOTS WANT!? HOW MUCH GAYER COULD IT BE WITH A TEEN RATING!?

>Minority folks have never seen capitalists as friends.
sjw are literally the foot soldiers of these companies
only now are they realizing that sjw are too much of a liability

I don’t see SJWs claiming we should tax corporations less

I see SJW trying to give more power to companies through censorship and cheap slave labor

Where the hell you see this conspiratorial shit?

EVS made around 850k for Cyberfrog and 47k for that cover without working for someone. His channel on Youtube also makes quite some money and he promotes other authors there. I think he doesn't need Dynamite. This is aperrently also about freedom, like where to live and how to work, etc.

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>conspiratorial shit?
are you retarded or do you just choose to ignore sjw trying to censor everything by calling it hate speech

This happened for the Iceman and Wasp books, the only difference is Whitley got more work from Marvel afterwards, which probably means he's easier to work with and editors like him more.

You can't convince me there's no shilling on this site when this same guy has been pushing and promoting this Shinobi Sasquatch shit since a couple days ago in here. I'd be surprised if anyone falls for it, but I've seen worse. Comicsgaters are fucking transparent, using controversy and outrage to push their shitty products.
Al you just did is repeat the exact same thing without providing any evidence as if by repetition I'm gonna just concede the point.

>porn

Take a chill pill, bigot.

>Al you just did is repeat the exact same thing without providing any evidence as if by repetition I'm gonna just concede the point.
how can I convince someone that the sky is blue if they refuse to look up

>He still has all that history though... it just adds more to him.
If they made him bisexual, he'd still have all that history. Instead they've retconned 50 years of history, all those relationships where you could read his thoughts and see he was in love, and now it was all a lie, he was gay all along. For anyone who was invested in the character or any of those older relationships, this change is hard to accept. Being gay has also changed his personality, because obviously he had to become a flamboyant stereotype.

Oh, please enlighten us!

Maybe I will look into it. I bought Monster M.D. already, though.

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>No job anywhere for any compan would ever want you doing press without their knowledge.
Except KSD single-handedly took care of the promotion for her Captain Marvel run out of her own pocket because Marvel didn't promote it properly nor seemed to care enough about their own product back then. It's all well documented, where do you think the "Carol Corps" thing came from? Online campaigns she handled herself to get the fans involved into promoting it because the company was shit at it. And it's not even the only example.
Right, no evidence, cool. What's the point?

This.

I get that they want to pay their artists unlike that grimey faggot Nasser but I'm not paying them for you. 10 dollars for 22-28 pages is my maximum none of these stories are fulfilling and almost always feels like issue one of a series that'll never continue.

You sound like those retards saying ''sjw's aren't real you're just paranoid''

>Right, no evidence, cool. What's the point?
you literally know nothing about whats going on in the world do you
huffpost.com/news/topic/hate-speech
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_laws_in_the_United_Kingdom
nationalreview.com/2018/04/canada-laws-crack-down-on-hate-speech/

>That was almost 25 years ago
>Stark was back to normal within a year
>Iron Man fans are still angry about it
>Angrier than they are about Civil War or Riri
>People will forget
No, user, people will never forget Spencer's Captain America either

>single-handedly took care of the promotion for her Captain Marvel run out of her own pocket
Starting a trend doesn't cost money and you damn sure better believe Marvel was aware of everything she was doing.

You're the casual here, faggot. Not the other way around. You're the one imagining it's industry practice (when it isn't, in any industry) to do PR as an employee with no clearance.

Twitter isn't fucking PR.

And you haven't given a shred of evidence regarding the "cheap slave labor" claim that SJWs supposedly are pushing for.
The fuck does this have to do with SJWs? Is anything that's called "hate speech" an SJW campaign for you idiots?

>The fuck does this have to do with SJWs? Is anything that's called "hate speech" an SJW campaign for you idiots?
so your just being willfully ignorant
seriously listen to yourself, your saying sjw aren't the ones pushing for hatespeech laws

>But Iceman and alot of popular mutants are hard draws as solo titles. Though I would like to see someone fucking try something new with Nightcrawler. He's got legs.
This doesn't just apply to X-Men. Most characters created for team books struggle to work as solo characters because they don't have civilian lives or jobs, don't have their own supporting cast or their own villains, and building all of that from the ground up, and making it stick is hard work. These characters tend to have no life outside of being an X-Man or an Avenger or a Titan.

So he's figured out what every other customer understands. Companies don't care about you, or any issues relating to you, they care about your money, and getting you to spend it on them. They will say and do the right things to create the illusion that they care about you, but if you expect a company to be true believers in any political or identity cause, you're being delusional. They just want your money, and they will display a surface-level alignment to whatever cause they think will get them more publicity and money. If the world changed and there was more positive publicity and money for them in presenting themselves as allies to the KKK, the Nazis, or ISIS, don't think for a moment that they wouldn't be doing that.

Who was the dead friend?

>Is anything that's called "hate speech" an SJW campaign for you idiots?

Of course it is.

>what every other customer understands

He says unironically, while posting on a board with self-entitled assholes bitching and crying how Marvel doesn't specifically pander to their tastes 24/7 365 days of the year and how everything today is a person insult to them as a loyal customer.

keep on sucking that corporate dick

>t. The angry faggot mad that a children's book didn't have gay sex in it

You do understand, that nobody will buy they shit and Marvel will close it after 3 months?

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A man with No Balls.

>Wolverine gutting people on the page is a-okay to me, as is villains committing literal genocide
>But think of the childrun if a gay man kisses another man!

>I don't like this thing but I demand gay people to be represented in it

Insane violence is Based. Gay people will not Survive God's Wrath.

That's the point. This would be proof of how sjw comics don't sell and they can point to this anytime anyone asks "Why don't you make comics for Us?"

>But think of the childrun if a gay man kisses another man!
Problem is not about Iceman being gay. The Problem is with how he turned: Jean Grey(Bendis) just mindrapped him into being gay and somehow we need to accept that character changes like that is good.
Its like if Superman was changed to pedo by Darkside boogy-woogie machine. Wouldnt you like that - its the represantation of pedo people after all.

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we already have tons of proof but they refuse to acknowledge it or blame internet trolls
hell the gay guy from op doesn't understand this shit

Go find the last teen rated comic that happened in faggot.

I'll save you some time, you won't find one.

>seriously listen to yourself, your saying sjw aren't the ones pushing for hatespeech laws
SJW = Anything I Don't Like, pretty much.
Can't be xenophobic or racist in public? Those darn SJWs! Can't use anti-gay slurs in the workplace? Clearly the work of some pink-haired weirdo in the US (even though you're in England very likely). They're everywhere, George!

>Starting a trend doesn't cost money
... I wasn't talking about a hashtag, dumbass. Rhetorical question but do people on this board drop 20 IQ points whenever they're peddling some culture war bullshit? It's no surprise a lot of you don't even know what it costs and entails to promote a book, that it was expected of her (and many others mind you, again, there's more examples) to pay it out of her pocket as if she was writing an indie book at Image.
Man, I give up. I'm glad there's threads about obscure lore that I care for in this board and other anons who do read comics on the regular who also post in here, because on this same thread you have an astroturfing comicsgater using the current outrage to promote his shitty book and nobody bats an eye (he did it yesterday during the She-Hulk shit), but if it comes to attacking the imaginary SJWs, the sky's the limit!

>equating gay people with pedos
Straight out of the playbook.

And how many readers give a fuck if Crystal had a kid or Titania acted differently in the 80's? All that matters is internal consistency within the story.

Yeah, you can say that, but you didnt answer the question. And i dont equating gay people with pedos, its just an theoretical example, jeez.

>ask for proof that sjw are pushing for censorship
>claims that proof isn't related to sjw (intellectual dishonesty or just retarded ICan;t tell)
>constructs a strawman
damn that's sad

Okay i read that article, for some stupid reason. And its all whining about internet trolls and Marvel dont giving him opportunities because his book selled like shit.
What are we talking about anyway?

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Second user, you went immediately to ignoring your own point.

What did she spend her money on then?

Serious question are you on hormone meds and just venting? You seem to know very little about comics and business in general and are just lashing out.

>user claims KSD aspect her own money on a hashtag campaign
>user says that's absurd
>user says he wasn't talking about a hashtag
Fuck off you literal faggot. You're angry you aren't normal and are just REEing incessantly

>to pay it out of her pocket as if she was writing an indie book at Image.
Again, proof?

This.

>I needed Marvel to stand by me with more work opportunities to show the trolls that I was more than a diversity hire
Guys, what the actuall fuck?
How can you even defend this guy?

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Still a bad use of a theoretical example. You should've used something like Superman was exposed to Pink Kryptonite and is bi-curious now.

Nobody is arguing Bendis shit was well crafted. And even if they did, how does that in any way excuse retarded WAAAAAH HOMO SEX IN MUH CHILDRUN COMICS! strawman shit?

Is anybody crying about Apollo and Midnighter?
No, becuase they wasnt changed into gays for quick cash grab and Muh Diversity.
They dont need to change any heroes for that. Thats why many people angry about Iceman. Its about bad written gays, not about gays themselfes.

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>not about gays themselfes. [sic]

Funny how you can never talk about it with reason and calmness and jump right into moral outrage about children being exposed to pedophilia accusations if that was actually the case.

This.

>No doubt preaching to the converted
You're really not.

>most of the wokeness at Marvel is forced on people who don't even understand it

That explains why it always comes across insincere and as subtle as a brick.

>special projects editor.
They're trying to create a new job role for themselves as 'sensitivity readers' or rather censorship readers to install themselves as sole moral arbitrators.

I guess, you dont get a point that i made. Ok, i try one more time and thats it.
I personally dont care about gay aspect of characters, at all. If character doesnt have anything beside "I LUV MAN" then its shitty character by my standarts.
Problem is, when Marvel changed Iceman into a guy, they left nothing else. You understand that if you actually read his new comics, that article guy whinig about.
So, when you talking about people hating Iceman(i suppose that you talking about it, not about why people are homophobic in general, because then its stupid to ask me about it) just because he is gay, then you wrong. People hating him because he is nothing, but a gay.

that NYT article he mentions came out after the 1st series was canceled. he basically guilted marvel into bringing it back for another go. the guy is a piece of shit.

that's what just happened to vertigo. they put their heads in the sand.

Stop talking out of your ass. Vertigo had been limping towards obscurity for a decade.

>you have an astroturfing comicsgater using the current outrage to promote his shitty book and nobody bats an eye (he did it yesterday during the She-Hulk shit)

Hey I'm just a (new) follower of Comicsgates and like to promote the comics which I think are promising and fun to read. Also I did it so much more often than you know. It's more like 25x times, but some different books. I'm not getting paid for it, I started doing that while I was listing to EVS's live streams it became a bit of a habit. That's how I am, finding something new and then doing it for a while until I find something more interesting. It's because I'm also here to read, so I'm not only here to promote.

These SJWfags really upset me. For decades. This fucking culture annoyed me when I went to school some decades ago, when I became interested in politics, my whole life long... This culture of shit messed up my life. So I'm as authentic as it gets. Astroturfing, muhaha. I'm paying Ceasar (EVS) for his comics, not the other way around, and I promote whatever harms the leftshits cause. With Comicsgate I found something which is fun and helps to hurt them back...

However, I should do something else. I actually wanted to get out of politics when I was on Youtube, just got sucked into it again. Won't go on for long. However, I also recommended coming to such boards to other Comicgaters, so keep on believing this is a paid campaign by EVS. But why would we not use this site here to promote? Are the other threads started by employees of Marvel, DC and the House of Mouse? Sad that Comicsgate is here now too? Their comics even look better, it even doesn't need to be about politics.

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what's really killing the industry?

Greg Pak couldn't keep a Storm book going for more than a year, Greg Rucka couldn't keep a Cyclops book going for more than a year, and this literal nobody thinks it's a failure of the system that his book no one wanted got cancelled.

I already don't buy Big 2 comics, what else do you want

Not sure if you noticed but you just admitted to advertising on the site, even if you're not getting paid for it.

>he does it for free

The homosexual lifestyle is degenerate,disgusting and any attempt to portray it as something positive and normal is perfidious brainwashing. This kind of propaganda should be kept away from children. However only fags and introverts with perverse fetishes read cape comics so its inconsequential, you cant get more fucked up than being a cape comic reader.

Have sex

Done, what else

108416218, 108416267, 108416695, 108417718, 108418322 in that thread here was me, but I never opened any new thread here in Yea Forums, or not that I can recall.

I'm hardly responsible for the whole conflict in the scene, but I'm looking out if something is already going on here on the board, and then jumping in and making suggestions.

A) I'm not American, even not a native English speaker. B) I only got back into reading comics, thanks to EVS and others on Youtube.

Advertising? I'm not selling anything. I'm promoting comics which I think will be interesting and the campaigns are ending soon in some cases. And I'm doing that by posting images on a imageboard while I'm taking part in the discussions here, nothing else.
I'm also supporting a political cause, which is about people not bowing to SJW not getting kicked or bullied out of the work they want to do, and our whole western culture not being controlled by SJW. Simple as that. And I'm kind of a full time political activist anyways, I bought Bitcoin when they were cheap so I can afford it.

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>Nobody
mate, you haven' seen all the cries from the "left' for censorship? FFS the Carlos maze and Steven crowder shit is still fuckign up everyone on youtube and i don't even watch politics.

So you're whining for the sake of whining like a hysterical puritan asshole.

Youtube deserved being called out for not adhering to its own terms of service and protecting minorities like it has vowed to do from harassment and hate speech. Steven Crowder is not a martyr when his videos where he's intentionally artacking Carlos' identity in a derogatory manner are no longer allowed to briefly generate revenue for him because he broke the rules he had agreed to follow when he made a Youtube account.

Oh that 08417683 was also me, forgot that. I'm actually the only one posting CG promo pictures here, that's my point. But I'm not the 'hysterical puritan a*hole', and don't share his opinions. I'm also not getting paid by anyone.

They might not try to go there but by their actions they are. I only realized recently that some of the people which are into Cyberpunk also push for policies which get us exactly there. There would be no way that the cities in the rich countries would be so full and big like in these stories, considering the demography, but thanks to mass migration...

So they are now publishers not platforms. also which specific rules he "break". Because all he did as make call Carlos maze a gay Mexican when he himself call a queer latino.
And if this is about "harassment" john Oliver and the other late night hosts would all be demonetized because of their offensive jokes attacking people and segments of the population.

And ignoring ALL of that because that is no even the point. You and him are still arguiugn for big corporation to censor s speech because you are offended by it. Do you think this won't bite you in the ass if conservatives take hold of youtube?
Why do you think it's ok to give monopolies on communication the power to censor speech?
FFS in the end they won't censor the "big bad right wing", but anyone who is controversial. You know who has been hit the hardest? horror channels, which is what i watch on you-tube, They go got their videos on youtube demonized deleted and several channels got outright deleted, But no one cares. Especially not you fags calling for censorship.

you write like an actual boomer

That's because gays are hypersexual which is why they go through partners like candy, rarely have stable long term relationships and like anonymous sex (which puts them at higher risk for STDs).

If it was popular it woud extend to the rest of the TPBs. It's literally only the very first one though.

>also which specific rules he "break"

YouTube's Terms of Service prohibit "content that makes hurtful and negative personal comments/videos about another person." Crowder repeatedly has made videos about Carlos attacking his identity as a gay man, clearly using terms as lispy queer in a derogatory way, and that's why they eventually gave him a slap on the wrist. Yet you act like it's the end of the world.

Freedom of speech does not mean you get to make money of making personal attacks. That isn't censorship. That's the company sanctioning you because you blatantly break their terms of service and removing a function from your video. The videos are still up. They have not been deleted. Crowder hasn't been banned.

If your issue was Youtube's algorithm and how it's shitty and doesn't work, it'd be one thing but instead you choose to make it about people like Crowder and want to die on a hill defending assholes like him using hate speech to attack protected classes of people.

Damn nigga lay off that kookaid

Why?
I'm not that old! Late GenXer.

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Oh, so it's ok when your guys do ti like John Oliver or any other late night host. They made clear and concise attacks on the president and several other people and groups of people. But they are allowed to stay up and monetized.

And again I'm not defending crowder, I could give less of a fuck about what happens to him, but it's your side calling for platform to censor shit and it's your side starting bulshit that get's the things I like destroyed.

It about Carlos being a faggot who can't take a joke and taking down everyone with him.
Carlos maza himself attack Steven as being a "closet gay" using it as a derogatory term, is that fine?

>I know nothing about the industry
>I'm still gonna bitch about it
Remind me again how you're different from SJWs?

>"those characters are so iconic, it doesn't matter who's under the mask :D"
Tremendous red flag from someone who was never a fan to begin with. Why they bring in these carpet baggers who do nothing but hemorrhage money for them I'll never know.

Late night talk show hosts make jokes about topical news and headlines, without specifically attacking their sexuality or ethnicity of the subject matter, unless you think being orange colored is now a protected class. When Colbert makes a joke about Trump sucking off Putin, that isn't attacking Trump's sexuality because Trump isn't gay, it's ridiculing his genuflecting behavior towards Russia.

And again, it's not fucking censorship, brainlet. He simply cannot make money out of his videos until he agrees to Youtube's laid out terms for getting his channel re-monetized, so his speech isn't being censored. And as long as Carlos doesn't manufacture numerous monetized videos on Youtube calling Crowder a fag in the closet without Youtube intervening, it isn't the same fucking thing.

What don't I know? I'm learning fast and already learned a lot. Also, c'mon some things are obvious. I have eyes to see. Then it's also not about that specific industry. That kind of cancer is everywhere, and I know about that.

I'm not trying to promote a change of culture and politics against the interests of the receiver by using moralism and defamation. I'm also fine with comics, shows and movies not promoting a political agenda, while SJW insist on that and trying to destroy whoever opposes them.

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Politicians are public figures

The trump kids weren't. The one from that convington school.
Are you retard? I made I made clear the problem is not Steven being demonetized but the other "problematic non political channels getting demonetized and getting their videos restricted, deleted or taken off recommended.

The WW of this week was better. He takes a dump in Azzarello run but after the 3rd number of Damed i am ok with that.

BUMP! What's really killing the industry?

Lack of marketing and exposure to the general public. Which probably means they don’t care much about the current amount sold

>protecting minorities
From what?
>harassment and hate speech.
Highly subjective categorization.
>artacking Carlos' identity in a derogatory manner
Here's what you really mean. And there's no right of protection under law for that. So while ToS is applicable, call it what it really is...Censorship.

>Lack of marketing and exposure to the general public.
If MCU doesn't entice them nothing will. It's not about marketing or exposure it's due to cultural shift the advent of the internet heralded the demise of the periodical printing press of which comic books are a victim. Digital formats just don't have enough traction which has nothing to do with marketing or exposure either.

>Priest is a good man
No, he is not. He is an asshole of first caliber. His own words, not mines. Also he is one of the most opinionated man in the comics. But he is a competent writter.

No one has to tell you! You are the worker not the boss you piece of shit!

You have mental illness namely narcissistic persobalsity disorder!

You ask the boss! You fear and respect the boss. Fuck you.

Child molesters open about their identity being shamed

>A bad thing

Hahahahaha, rot in hell

>when the dragon burned down the fucking village, fuck off retard.
The comics industries were almost dead for good in the 90's. Then Diamonds come and keep it in artificial suport. The damage was done like 20 years before the "mean evil SJW" could "take control". And guess what? They were never in control of anything. That was just Marvel doing lip services.

Workers being out of touch with their actual audience might be a factor. Maybe they just lost the focus on why they're in the business. Maybe they're hiring idiots who don't love it for what it is (or was).

>bobby's eye is crooked the entire fucking time
my sides

>child molesters out of nowhere
Why do /po/ltards insist on bringing up their loli kink into everything they talk about? No one is going to trust an incel, especially not when they virtue signal so hard

>It's censorship because I decide it's censorship

It's very apparent you do not understand how censorship and freedom of speech works.

You’d think the /pol/ types would enjoy being told marvel doesn’t care about diversity and is doing the bare minimum to get credit for it but they can’t cause they just get so cartoonishly mad at a gay guy

The end result is what matters, whether is the bare minimum for the diversity crowd or killing off z-listers for the edgy kids.

I miss the days before Yea Forumsmblr

>a degenerate calls himself Sin And Disgrace
Of course.

>Matthew Sturges (now known as Lilah Sturges)
Interesting, but does that make this writer better? Nope.

Kamala was at least able to tread water. Iceman might as well have been wearing lead shoes thrown into the ocean with how fast it’s numbers sank

One famous drag queen is enough.

>And how many readers give a fuck if Crystal had a kid or Titania acted differently in the 80's?

People that actually read comics, and not simply acting like damage controlling shills for Marvel like you? There's no excuse here, people can read wiki and back issues even more easily than before (TPBs and digital).

You're exactly part of the problem. What you describe is still internal consistency to begin with. If you reboot a universe you can get away with some mistakes. If you're doing an ongoing, you need to have most facts in place.

Ignoring one story that doesn't affect anything? That's okay. Ignoring multiple things, multiple times? That's bad. Crystal had a daughter since the 80's, so that's three decades. And Titania didn't suddenly act differently from the 80's, she acted differently from established characterization from the 80's, 90's, and 00's.

Your embarassingly outdated way of thinking is what leads to even more braindead decisions like having Punisher join HYDRA in Secret Empire or the stupid way Bendis decided to have both young and old Iceman outed and in a poor way (Jean is the one telling him he's gay, instead of one of them making the decision himself).

the suppression or prohibition of any parts of books, films, news, etc. that are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security.
Unacceptable for their platform, yep that's censorship, it's very apparent you're pretending censorship means something different to what it really means.

>I created a drag queen mutant, first called Shade, now called Darkveil. I told my editor that Shade would be a big deal for X-Fans, and asked how we should promote her
I feel mildly sympathetic towards what happened to her but this line alone shows she doesn't quite understand the industry as well as she thinks, all the simultaneous pushes for characters that people knew where never gonna go far is part of what killed interest because they took away from mainline characters that people actually wanted to read about, trying to push a fresh of the oven d-lister is a sure fire way to make him forgotten the moment the author that crated it steps away from the book (unless the one who created them is Bendi)

Marvel notoriously doesn't promote anything other than the biggest of biggest things; stuff that doesn't really need to be promoted as heavily. I remember it being something people criticized a dozen years ago when Quesada was still EiC and the excuse was "Spider-Man, etc. are our big sellers so that what we want to promote". If your book is below AAA level in name value Marvel won't actually promote it.