So what exactly made her worthy of Mjolnir?

This

This is the current canon OP. Don’t like it? Blame Jason Aaron

If all it took to be worthy was "doing the right thing" then every hero in the MCU is goddamn worthy.

Being the Kitty Pryde to Aaron's Bendis.

The final lesson; Sacrifice.

Real talk? They explained it in the comic several times.

This right here.
Thor even makes a list of people who make more sense.
If only because they don't render their cancer treatment an ineffective torturous waste of medical supplies and time just by holding the fucking hammer.

The writer deciding she was because she's his special donut steel pet project. She's also Valkyrie now for some reason.

I would have been fine if Sif or another asgardian women used the hammer for a bit. Another actual warrior and not a nurse.

Having nice tits and nice pits.

Everyone would have just whined about trans shit

Only dumb casuals would you dummy. Thor's been turned into a girl multiple times.

So you mean most of the people whining about Jane?

I think at least some people who don't like Jane have more legitimate reasons than the retards posting years old pages to try to disguise their hatred of women.

You betcha.
We had just had some interesting material with Gunnhild Volstaggsdottir when that female Thor book was announced.
And I got really pumped because a Thor book centered around a teenage Asgardian who relies on smart solutions over raw strength and has to sneak out for heroic adventures could have been very cool, I think.

Marketing and Sales departments. literally fucking way.

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i hate it all and just ordered some Sagas instead. the stuff there is way more interesting.

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Well Future Thor decided that Modern Thor was an idiot for letting Jane die from cancer. So he used the hammer as a conduit to reach into the past to meddle, as All-Fathers do. 1) Kicked Thor off the hammer, 2) Used to Thorforce to block Odin from reclaiming it, 3) Give Jane just enough divine juice each hammer session so her final bouts of chemo would actually work. Jane lives, Thor learns some lessons, Future Thor does big G stuff.

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I've moved to tabletop RPGs.
Fuck authors.
I'm making my own adventures.
Right now a heavily modded Rokugan setting run in GURPS.
I'm a Unicorn Samurai who is secretly a Ninja folk hero. Because fuck what some imbecile intended the setting to be.

Her lack of a penis and therefore lack of toxic masculinity?

>He thinks you can't have toxic masculinity if you don't have a penis.

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You know damn well they don't know what that word means.

That's almost every single hero though

The retards who cry about that don't even read comics or care about doing so. All that matters is that it'd make more sense. You'd have a female Thor without bullshitting a reason as to having the male Thor giving his name to someone else and that someone else just taking it and then wrapping it up in two different mysteries that got dragged out way too long.

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>they
rent free

Are people really comparing What If issues and alt universe stuff to Jane Thor shitting up 616 as the main Thor for years?

To show the numerous ways its been handled in the past in a better and more coherent way? Yes.

What makes Cap or Thor worthy if not cause the writer said so. Do they have any moral code or ethics that distinguish them from every other hero.

Yeah that's what I'm saying, that kind of thing is fine for alt universe/what if stuff but to pretend that makes it okay to take a massive shit on the real Thor for years is baffling. Or hell, even a mini with Sif using mjolnir or something. But Jane is still shitting up the main universe and will until Aaron is gone.

Bad writing.

Her willing to sacrifice and humbleness

Confirmed to only have second hand knowledge

Cap and Superman were only worthy momentarily. Beta Ray Bill has been permanently worthy like Thor. I'm sure there's others that have been considered worthy and not just for brief moments.

the hairy fish between her legs

Sif using the hammer would only erase her identity as Sif
>Another actual warrior and not a nurse.
Well Donald Blake was a doctor

How? Jane Thor is not only stealing his name but actually shitting on the character.

Donald Blake was created by Odin to host Thor though. Most people who use the hammer don't literally turn into Thor they just get mjolnir's power.
>it erases her identity
And it doesn't Jane's? If thats so important, Did could fill Thor's role in the team without using it. Elevate a character in a way that will stick beyond one writer.

Technically with the retcon, Donald Blake just thought he was a doctor. He was just regular Thor and Odin forged all his medical degrees with magic.

cool, but that doesn't explain anything. Some anons in this thread say Jane can't be worthy and she's only worthy because the writers just decided she was. When people give reasons the response is "Thats everyhero" so I am left to wonder what makes Thor worthy if not for the same reason they complain Jane is worthy.

Because in the comic Jane only ever said she was holding the position for Thor. That there MUST be a Thor. Jane never once spoke badly about Thor, just that the world needed him

Its hilarious and ridiculous how some writers treat Thor like a buffoon while they treat Donald Blake like a genius. They are both literally the same person. Every knowledge Blake possess, Thor possess and vice-versa.

Why do male superheroes have muscular physique indicative of their physically demanding lifestyle but female superheroes have twig arms and legs?

No I'm pretty sure that it was later retconned to Donald Blake being a random guy who just picked up the hammer.

One of the key requirements for wielding Mjolnir is the willingness to kill when necessary. Something which Jane Foster doesn't have. Odin being incapable of overwriting the worthiness enchantment is just bs. Him being incapable of wielding Mjolnir without great difficulty is even more bs.

WE HAD THIS HER NAME WAS THOR, SHE WAS FROM THE MARVEL X LINE. WHY THE FUCK DOES NO ONE REMEMBER?!

Not every woman can take steroids and become as huge as Serena Williams.

I was willing to out up with all her bullshit just to be able to say I read it, but this was the scene that made me go aspie and throw the book out.

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Then where was the "real" Thor?

Because Western comic artists cant draw appealing bulky ladies that can SELL. Plenty non-comics artists can but they cant do comics

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She didn't but her run is full of shit like this and Mjolnir liking her better

He would go unconscious and let a tulpa like entity take over. M

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Who knows
>Because Western comic artists cant draw appealing bulky ladies that can SELL.
Sure they can, but the problem is that appealing bulky ladies don't sell. Even She-Hulk for all her fame and glory was never that bulky
>but her run is full of shit like this
No it isn't

No I mean where was the real Thor all those years of classic stories with Donald Blake transforming into him. Odin treated him like the real Thor.

Part of it's that a lot of western bulky ladies look really bad, as they tend to be less idealized for whatever reason.

Whatever do you mean?

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Needing a god to decide your fate. One more God rejected!

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Probably busy saving the world, you entitled bitch. I get it, you lost your family, but don't you dare fucking saddle that on the shoulders of a man who has time and again DIED FOR YOU.

What a cunt

In the classic stories? He was a real person who picked up the hammer. Modern day Blake is a tukpa whom Thor skips inside of.

this was the worst reveal out of all of it. Fucking WHAT? GORR? Of anything they could have picked, the fact that they even mention it is retarded.

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Gonna need a citation on that one

See

Not him but I always felt something similar. Thor himself is a thousand year old warrior who has fought hundreds of battles and taken countless lives. He knows how terrible real battles can be and has the experience to know when taking a life is necessary. That's why Cap using mjolnir(briefly) felt right to me but someone like Spidey with a no kill rule never would.

what?

>Using a wiki as a source
Fucking braindead

They cite their sources quite well you big meanie.

>What makes Cap or Thor worthy if not cause the writer said so
That's pre-established and as such it doesn't really need to be explained. In fact, doing so often ruins the fiction, like in Star Wars.
Meanwhile, the new Thor does have to justify why does it comply with what has been established so far in order to make a satisfactory story. Like if an apparently regular human in superman starts showing kryptonian powers suddenly there has to be an in-universe justifiable reason, but for the most part saying "clark has superpowers because he's an alien" is enough explanation to enjoy the story.
Now that... actually works.

Newcommers who refused to adopt and even understand Yea Forums culture came in droves long before that, and they are partly the reason why we have a /pol/ to speak of in the first place.

Why not play the actual Scandinavian myth were Loki sells the hammer and Thor has to crossdress and woo an ogre to get it back?

Sexism against males.

Modern comic writers don't pay attention the classics user. They mostly use it as a platform for their political agenda.

Men admire physically fit males, women get offended by then and try to pull them down their own level.

god damn it, Yea Forums, this is why i come here.

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Marvel thought in 50 years they could have claimed credit for being a pioneer or true equality

It's current year. Bash the fash. That's her qualifications.

Why? Was it the fact she managed to do it, because if not I think you don't understand how many depressed people would love to punch the big G in the face

>Why? Was it the fact she managed to do it
Yes 100%. Evenmale Thor should not have been able to get a clean hit in on odin and draw blood, they are in completely different leagues
>
you don't understand how many depressed people would love to punch the big G in the face

Odin is a God with a lower case g. Not the big guy in the sky. Sure he can intervene, but be is not responsible for everything that happens to the world.

Basically this.
I imagine that to be truly worthy you need experience. Not just battle experience, but experience in life. That's a 1000 year old alien that's fought in countless wars, witnessed life's greatest sights and has probably held more than a few friends in his hands as they passed.
Cap was a soldier who fought in a great war for a cause he believed him, got frozen, and woke up a couple decades later to find most of his old world was gone, goes friends and family were dead or super old, he had basically missed his entire life do to that war. And when he hears the fucks he fought before are back and up to their old shenanigans what does he do? He gets up, picks nup his shield gets ready to fight for justice. He hasn't experienced the lowest slums which is why he can't just wield mjolnir forever, but it gave him the short burst to use it for a time.

I like to imagine losing all your family, learning you have cancer and literally knowing a super fast, hero with flight and instantaneous teleportation exist, who was also literally a god, was in contact with you and did nothing [as far as she saw it] might have caused her enough grief to briefly wield mjolnir, maybe even summon some lightning and throw it. But her getting all the powers of thor for so long made a mockery of previous third. What made name a better replacement then she hulk? What about Spider-Man, he watched his aunt and uncle die, and lost basically everyone he loved aside from like two. Captain America has nothing except his fading lost love who can't even remember what her nephews look like. Jane has suffered, but her suffering shouldn't just overuse everyone else. At that point it's a deliberate way of forcing a new female this. Maybe if she used the hammer to save third life, and started to develop some weird power after, leading to her own comics, that showed more of asgard that could have worked. Have her become a bridge of influx, fighting Asgardian and midgard.

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>>Tiny trex arms
kek

>Trex arms
She is jacked.

Yes, absolutely yes. You have to remember, Odin is on a similar power level to cosmic entities like The In-Betweener or The Stranger. He's leagues above regular Thor in terms of power, so the only other people who should be able to lay a smack down on him are the other cosmic entities.

It makes absolutely no sense for Jane to be able to do it, considering she'd have the exact same powers as Thor and by that logic not be any stronger than he already is.

Jane with Mjolnir still wouldn't be as powerful as Thor at his best. Doesn't have the same growth potential. Thor have access to Warrior Maddness which Jane lacks. Thor have access to earth manipulation which Mjolnir lacks. Thor can potentially evolve into a Skyfather, something which Jane is incapable of. Thor also have access to his Elder God potential which he never taps into. Although to be fair, of Gaea's children, only Atum seems to be capable of tapping into his Elder God powers.

Exactly, just make it even more baffling how Aaron could write such fucking drivel.

He must browse Yea Forums cause he clearly hasn't read a single other Thor comic in his life.

why did her helmet need a nipple

that's how you know it's a lady helmet

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It is so painfully obvious you don't read Thor comics, and are just another culture war faggot mad for no fucking reason. Aarons' Thor run has been the best Thor in a long fucking time.

Odin has been fucking around and avoiding Odin sleep for too long. Read the fucking comic instead of shit posting, god damn. The whole story is about what defines a god, and how Jane(and by extension, mortals and readers) must reconcile how shitty most of the 'gods' in Marvel are.

i may be remembering this wrong, but either the next part or later Thor literally does call her out on that an explain he was dealing with some super serious world ending/galaxy ending threat that if he hadn't dealt with it would have meant the deaths of millions if not billions of people.

based loki fucking with everyone and everything.

i would read this.

actually, Superman wasn't even worthy. Odin canceled the enchantment for a little bit so he could pick it up.

>Superman wasn't even worthy
Given how often DC likes to tread out "WHAT IF SUPERMAN WAS BAD", I don't blame them.

I did read the comic she thor cuck. She in no way shape or form should have the power to even lay a hit on Odin, sleep or no. Try harder faggot.

yeah, that was a bit much for me and kept me from giving it a second shot
Because it's fucking stupid. as one user said the power levels are too vast, and as the other said Odin is such a big deal that (to relate it to the cinematic for scale) Thanos didn't fuck with the Infinity Gauntlet until AFTER Odin was gone because he knew it would still be an auto-lose situation for him. Odin is THE MOTHER FUCKER that NO ONE fucks with unless they think they've got a 1000% chance of winning, and even then he fucks them over 99% of the time. And in the MCU everyone is drastically underpowered vs the actual comics.
And then of course there's the internal logic of the thing. Odin is A God, but not The Only God, and Jane's fucked around with Thor enough to have at least a basic knowledge of Norse Gods, in which case she would know that Hela, the Goddess of Death and Sickness, would be the god involved in her getting cancer and that Odin would have literally nothing to do with it.

>The whole story is about what defines a god, and how Jane(and by extension, mortals and readers) must reconcile how shitty most of the 'gods' in Marvel are.
except by all accounts, the Gods in Marvel are...actually pretty decent. They generally don't fuck people over, do their divine jobs, and some of them even act heroically and save people.
The only way they're really "shitty" as gods is if you're some kinda "marxist" who thinks the gods should be using their power to create a communist utopia where the gods are basically slaves to make everyone's life perfect.

The worthy enchantment is rigged there is no way Superman can't lift it, he's more pure of heart than Thor.

MCU Odin is a weak so'y loser who probably could be beat by Hela.

He explicitly would get beat, as he says Thor is stronger than him and he still got his shit kicked in even post upgrade

the sentient godtstorm inside the hammer chose her to psychologically hurt thor for him not realizing their was a sentient being inside the damn uru.

This.
Gods have no obligation to give you paradise, take some damn responsibility for yourself mortals.

No you fucking didn't. Odin has been acting strange since Original Sin, and its implied that his true death is close. Cosmic level entities wax and wane constantly, the Phoenix force can literally reset all the multiverse, and in another series was outmaneuvered by young Jean Grey.

Also, if you want to go tinfoil hat, the War of the Realms has so many openings to tie into Immortal Hulk, and it trying to suss out the "One Below All".

marxist? What the fuck are you even talking about. That doesn't remotely tie into 'marxist' theory, you shit swilling /pol/ fag.

Gorr the God-butcher story outright says(and shows) that the majority of 'gods' in the Marvel universe have fallen into decadence and isolation. War of the Realms continues this plot even further. Thor is an outlier, but clearly has issues his own.

>and it trying to suss out the "One Below All".
can you tell me more? i haven't kept up with Marvel for a while.

>The One Above All = omnipotent
>One Below All = omnijobber????

>YOU NEED TO CATER TO MORTALS FOR ALL ETERNITY, YOU DON’T GET TO HAVE YOUR OWN LIFE! YOU EXIST SOLELY TO PLEASE US MORTALS!
Fuck off.

>marxist? What the fuck are you even talking about. That doesn't remotely tie into 'marxist' theory, you shit swilling /pol/ fag
hello, newfren, sit down an learn a bit.
>Gorr the God-butcher story outright says(and shows) that the majority of 'gods' in the Marvel universe have fallen into decadence and isolation
Gorr was one of the last things I read from marvel a while back and part of why i stopped was how shit it was.
Gorr's entire thing was he was mad that no gods showed up to save him and his family in their time of need and he decided "if the gods will not serve me, they do not deserve to live" and went on a giant god killing/enslaving rampage because life is hard and he deserved special treatment, and felt the gods owed it to everyone to use their great power to benefit everyone all the time.
Were many of the Gods isloationist? maybe, but seeing as he killed literally everyone he could, not just his people's gods but literally everyone elses, and we never get to see what they were upto, all we have to go on is the word of a deocidal maniac. But even if they were, there are very valid reasons NOT to get involved in mortal affairs as has been show time and again, (both with gods and with real life political powers). A great example of this is Imperialism on earth, where those with great power went about and did shit, some of which improved life for some and unimproved it for others. Look at how imperialism is viewed today. Now apply that to Gods rather than Empires.
And so what if some of the gods were "decadent" they'd built there homes and enjoyed the gifts they had.
See, this is why I called "marxist" and "communist." Because the bitching is literally based on those idea. "those with great wealth/power are decadent" "they have an obligation to improve the lives of everyone" "from each according to his ability, to each according to their need." (cont)

Hulk can't die. Gamma radiation is a back door into reality for something evil. It can subtly influence people, and can outright possess gamma-powered heroes/villains. Marvel has a numerous "hells", but they are subservient to whatever is behind the "Green door". Read Immortal Hulk, its is *very* good.

>newfren
Go back to clown world, redditard. Also, stop using words you don't know. Nothing about what you said is Marxist, or Communist.

Tits, tits made her worthy.

(cont).
Gorr's entire pissyfit was literally "the gods have great ability and power, I needed their great ability and power, but they didn't give it to me when I wanted/needed it, so I'm going to kill their priviledged, decadent, asses to death!!!!!"
It's literally the party line and motivation for every Marxist/communist revolution. "the rich have money and power, I don't. I need their money and power, but they won't give it. So I'm going to kill them and take it from them and give it to the people so everyone can have all the money and power they need in order to live the lives I think they deserve."
I don't know if you've ever heard of a concept called "The White Man's Burden" but it was real popular for a while in the imperial age. The idea was "because white people have advanced so far technologically and scientifically, it is their burden to go out to the other places and races and guide and heal them with this knowledge." What Gorr (and you) are insisting on is "the Gods' Burden" which is the same idea. Because the gods are so far advanced, they owe it to everyone to grant them the benifits of that advancement. But at the same time everyone bitches about "imperialism" and people would do the same thing about the Gods. "How dare the gods sit so far above us, like they're better than us. They're worse! they're evil! they're destroying our cultures and our ways of life to force us to adopt their ways!!!!" and it would start even more shit and it is not worth it at all. No one would happily live under the gods, and the god will not make themselves slaves to others. You demand Marxist results while upholding an Imperialist burden, and it's bullshit.
So you can just sod off with that.

neat, i'll try to check it out.

>Nothing about what you said is Marxist, or Communist.
...says the guy who literally knows nothing of marxism or communism, apparently.

>Read a Hulk book
Eww, no thanks. I like Ewing, but not even he can make me read Hulk.

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This.
What the fuck has Jane EVER done to make her worthy over other people?

Fuck you I know my myths, Loki didn't sell the hammer. It got stolen by a troll, or a giant. Point is that it was stolen

Still really fucking mad that she just "Got better" of her terminal cancer.

Obviously that’s not good enough, else Superman could.
Thor comes from a society that values war and honor in battle, a willingness to fight for the sake of it is a must.

Nothing. It was bullshit from the start.

To the very best of my understanding, three things are necessary to wield the hammer (Notwithstanding the hammer has a strong preference for Thor, who went through many trials to become worthy of it):

- You have to be BRAVE. You have to show courage under extreme circumstances, and do what needs to be done even if your life is in danger.
- You have to be HONORABLE. You have to be good-hearted, fight for justice and be honest and upright.
- You have to be a WARRIOR. You must seek out and do battle against evil, defend the defenseless and, if necessary, slay your enemy.

Many heroes meet one or two of these, but the no-kill rule of Batman and Superman - for instance - prevents them from lifting the hammer without Thor's express permission. Wonder Woman, on the other hand, is an almost perfect wielder.

Notice that "You have to have testicles" is not and has never been a part of it.

I don't know Jane Foster THAT well, but if that woman is worthy, so are very many others.

Now if Sif had lifted it... or Angela (but she would not have)... or even Carol (who, by the standards I mentioned, indeed is worthy)...

But noooooo. Let's get the woman dying from breast cancer.

I made a cap

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>Blame Jason Aaron

I don't think that needs to be said.

I am a little impressed.

"Jane, for a good chunk of the last three years, I was DEAD."

>she'd have the exact same powers as Thor

How? Thor is innately powerful.
The hammer was just a key, it doesn't have his powers in him. Although it has powers of its own (which is a retcon, but whatever).

...It's called "Earth-X".

It requires more than being pure of heart.

It's pretty gory.

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Mjolnir at the time was disinterested in being weildes by a god, and she was human. Mjolnir was also familiar with her for years, and she is a decent person. Let's not pretend that Thor needs to be totally pure of heart, just generally selfless and noble. It was all in the comic, if you'd read it.

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Bigger question is why did everyone refuse to cure her cancer? While she was dying, Tony Stark transferred his soul into a fucking hologram and yet somehow they still don't have the tech to fight cancer. Also not even magic could cure her cancer, have to shoehorn a dramatic death no matter what. Side-effect is it stops being dramatic and turns into a retarded death.

>Mjolnir at the time was disinterested in being weildes by a god, and she was human.
So in other words, Mjolnir is a fickle asshole who changes owners like socks on a whim, even when it puts the previous owner in life-threatening risk.

No. I'd correct you but we both know it doesnt matter what I say, you'll believe whatever sounds worse no matter what.

Shut up, Aaron.

So when Will Odinson get his Hammer Back? This Bitch doesnt deserve it.

Thank you for proving me right.

That is one of the most idiotic things I have ever read.

He got it back in 'War of the Realms' #6.

Frankly I can't wait for the next writer to completely ignore everything Aaron has shat out over the last few years.

Ain't happening. According to rumors, Cates the Aaron superfan is writing Thor next.

Frankly I can't wait for people like you to stop reading comics

You'll hate whoever's next, too. I believe in you, you'll find something to shitpost about.

That's too bad, buddy, because I am here until they stop making 'em. Even if it is terrible.
I will complain and bitch every step of the way when it's bad, but I am not too worried. The old truths don't change, no matter how much low and unworthy men try to.

Seems legit, given how much Cates is doing these days. But Cates started bad and seems to get better. Eh.

Complaining about horrible shit is not 'shitposting', user.

SHE refused to be cured while 99.99% of humanity could not hope to be cured by magic and shit.
Because if she was cured right away they couldn't go on about how "stunning and brave" they were for writing this story.