How long can Marvel and DC whore out the same couple dozen characters? Their entire empire is built on it...

Marvel/DC need to take a lesson from how Japan's manga companies work.
They allow fans to submit just about anything, and even hold contests for it, which they'll then absorb into their brand. That's why manga drowns out comic quantity 100:1

Within the next decade the comic division is gonna die out while the movie divisions slowly but surely dwindle. Eventually only surviving of animated shows.

It also helps the average Jap's drawing ability (or willingness to work with a writer) is fairly above their western counter parts.

It's been 80 years, don't expect them to stop.

There's a lot Marvel can learn from Japan's manga industry. Fan intergration is not one of those things & won't suddenly save Marvel or DC. Just basic story structure in volume order that isn't constantly retconned, rebooted, rehashed, & even eventually actuall ends is what sets manga apart from american big two comics the most.

This fucking thing

You gotta get new blood/concepts every so of then.

...NOT from some shitty kickstarter or whatever the fuck

If Marvel fell, DC will follow soon after. They can't exist without each others.

They have to constantly retcon/reboot/rehash because they're working with the same fucking 25 characters for their major releases.

If they bring in fan stuff in a similar fashion as the Japs, they could actually get some new icons under their belt which will give breathing room to their main stars.

Not to mention mangaka tend to have a lot more creative control over their shit compared to the mooks working in marvel/DC

At this time Marvel and DC's main characters are becoming what would be described 'Archetypes' of old religions.
The psychologists and propagandists who make modern media function realize this, and will keep ramming it down the public's throat ad infinitem...
That is, until it doesn't produce, but it will, long past your lifetimes, because you give the general public in the west FAR TOO MUCH CREDIT.

Marvel has made new popular characters in the past 30 years. Look at the characters created in the 90s.

even the western scan sites that have fucking everrything can't put them in order

DC existed before marvel and will exist after marvel. 4 more years.

most fictional characters will outlive you

Fictional characters aren't alive to begin with, so they can't outlive anyone anymore than a rock will outlive someone.

franchises live and die all the time
stop acting like a 12 year old by trying to use the literal definition of biological life when we all know what the fuck that other user meant

He'd still be fucking stupid to compare a living thing with a non-living thing, no shit fictional characters will outlive me, just like no shit the sun will out live everyone alive today.
You absolute fucking moron.

Isn't there a huge cultural boundary to cross? I think the big thing is that Japan never had a "genre" craze(at least one that stuck for longer than a decade) and they were able to convince adult majority comics and cartoons can be consumed by them as well.
Mecha series were craze for a while but died down in the 90s, they have isekai's everywhere now but I assume they'll be gone within another 10 years just like mechas. Meanwhile superheroes have been the face of Western comics since like the 80s and that is not going away. The bigger point here I think is the age idea, a huge chunk of adults still look down on cartoons and comics as children/teenager media, and they don't want to read them.

With no interest in the media, these books can't be sold. Japan has mangas in every gas station and grocery book racks, I think the only comic I ever see is Archie at the high end markets. I don't think they even sell comics in Walmarts or Target supermarkets which have literally everything. Publishers really gotta find a way to put comics back on the market rack.

many non living this will outlive you
McDonalds will outlive you
Walmart
these aren't actual living creatures but we call them living because they can die (aka stop existing)
read a book you brain dead nigga

I understand that and my point is to even make such a statement so obvious makes you retarded.

>HUR THE SUN IS GONNA OUTLIVE YOU :^)

Wow, no fucking shit Sherlock.

I'd love a Justice League series that condensed every major DC event into a linear timeline and ran Volume 1-75 or whatever with no tie-in's or spinoffs and had some definitive ending, but it's not a format I see them adopting into mainstream any time soon since it'll force them to get new IPs.

if you understand that then why the fuck are you trying to act like an smart ass 12 year old by playing semantics
for real read a book

Youve been getting btfo ever since your first "witty" 18 yr old retort. And its been glorious to watch. Next time try not to flaunt your autism so wildly

>Say something stupid
>Get mad when someone replies with something stupid

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>even eventually actuall [sic] ends is what sets manga apart from american big two comics the most.

You say that when there are multiple manga that has been running for several decades with an ongoing storyline and have as many as 50-200 volumes. The only thing different is the flawed perception that getting into western comics is hard. It isn't. IMO DC has been doing a fairly good job of cultivating certain ever green graphic novel collections, which is why things like Hush, Killing Joke, Watchmen, etc. are always selling and getting new versions of the trade published, but they should expand it more to cover other titles and aggressively push advertising to get people to try out lesser known titles.

The main appeal of manga in the west is that you buy entire volumes at a time. Which is basically just jumping right in front of the queue and getting the collected edition instead of having to read it chapter by chapter in anthology format, unless you're one of those people who read Jump or buy individual chapters on Comixology.

>I was trolling the entire time
sad

Girls, girls, you're both ugly, now fuck off.

>Marvel/DC need to take a lesson from how Japan's manga companies work.

There's no way that's going to happen due to copyright and lawsuit culture in America. Japan because they explicitly have a culture where they can go "doujinshi absolutely infringe copyrights but we're not going to do any enforcement" and openly allow submissions, where as in the US people would be sue DC/Marvel for "ripping off" their ideas if they sent a vague, halfassed concept idea as a blind submission to them that would then years later end up being done by someone else in a random comic, without any actual intellectual property theft taking place.

Multiple maybe, but not the norm at all. And even then, those series only have to deal with their own canon so its easier to manage longer runs. There is less need to retcon, there is far less continuity to dig through. Its far cleaner. Not to mention manga isn't a slave to awful company wide events or (as much) editorial meddling. Naruto's giant ninja invasion isn't going to interrupt your Yugioh tournament arc.

I do agree with you that the "getting into western comics is hard" mentality is complete bullshit. But its a hard hurdle for normies to cross for whatever reason. They walk into a comic store and see five thousand batman issues and just shut down. Trying to sell normies TPB collections with clear, straightforward titles letting them know this is one collected story is definitely the way to go.

most normies don't even know how to read a comic
they literally have told me they don't know which panel or word bubble to read first

Most normies I know that are into "capes" are just wikifags who have never read a single fucking comic.

They will then argue with you over stories you have actually read

>Not to mention manga isn't a slave to awful company wide events or (as much) editorial meddling.

This is bullshit. There might not be crossovers like in the west, but editorial meddling is just as bad, if not worse because they can just axe your book over bs reasons or mandate you to cut things short or change stuff to pander to readers. Look at Jump series like Medaka Box where they basically jump the shark and completely change their entire premise to become a power level fight manga just in attempt to pander the shounen readership when doing a gag series wasn't popular enough.

Obviously still happens in manga but it's nothing compared to Marvel/DC's levels of meddling.

Maybe never? Maybe these comic book characters will go on for centuries.
These will be the Grimm Fairy Tales of the future.

How long can Nintendo and Sega whore out the same dozen characters?

Sega is a shell of it's former self so I wouldn't exactly use them.
Also you can't compare video games to comics.

Its not even remotely close to the same level as big 2 capeshit and you know it. Medaka box is a pretty extreme case where a side character basically hijacked the series due to becoming way more popular than the actual MC's. All series need sales to exist, the author chose to pivot instead of letting his series die. Even at its worst its less egregious than the forced cross over events and relaunches.

Imagine reading One Piece and having to stop in the middle of Alabasta because DBZ was having a big tournament or something. Or telling Oda he couldn't use Zoro for 2 years because they planned to kill him off in a special war crossover.
Thats what happens to capeshit every few months.

Probably until we all die. People still make adaptations for King Arthur, Robin Hood and Sherlock Holmes. If people aren't tired if these characters by now they probably never will be

>DC has been around since the 40s
>Marvel has been around since the 60s
>thinking either will die any time soon
Op is a tremendous shithead.

No you couldn't. DC has 15 tv shows right now you cretin and Aquaman, FUCKING AQUAMAN, had a billion dollar film just 6 months ago

So did DC in the 90s

>Thats what happens to capeshit every few months.

Pure hyperbole. Plus plenty of crossover tie-in issues are fun and memorable to read. It's a matter of implementation and making it entertaining.

And to many readers shared universe is what makes it fun. If you hate tie-ins so much, you can always opt-out and skip them. It's a ridiculous to claim "ALL CROSSOVER BAD!" as a be all, end off truth.

DC was the 30s but yeah. OP is a moron

can you at least see why having so many crossovers devalues them

Company wide crossovers don't happen every two months. Most books don't have crossovers every two months. You're overblowing the problem, and sales in fact show people prefer crossovers because sales go down without them and go up when you do them.

Those all exist because all those characters are public domain. It's a safe easy way to make a production if you just make it based on a public domain property everyone has basic knowledge of.

Well thats just it I prefer a contained story with its own universe, allowed to actually progress and come to a natural conclusion instead of being forced to return to a status quo. Way more potential because it means an author can actually do what they want without having to tiptoe over 50 years of continuity. All this editorial mandated shit is so lifeless and bland. I prefer the jap way to just let creators actually create and see what sticks. Its obviously far more successful as a business.

Not that I don't also love some capeshit and superheroes, and the history itself can lead to some fun stories. But I can only take so much before I grow apathetic and I tend to prefer the more self contained runs.

>and come to a natural conclusion

But even manga doesn't often get a natural conclusion. Books gets cancelled unexpectedly due to sales, you get rushed endings out of nowhere because magazines might be cancelled entirely and you aren't able to transfer your series elsewhere. And you often get unnecessary sequel series, remakes and spin offs. I mean, how many GTO related series have there been now? I've lost count, frankly. Every few years there seems to be a new one in the works. Editorial mandates in manga just are the kinds you don't really hear about often, and it may take years to randomly pop up in an interview that's translated.