Flawed heroes

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Both.

Though it's less about flaws as how much effort they should put in to do the right thing. The variable is how succesfull they are at it.
The heroes that succeed are aspirational, and those who struggle more and might often fail are admirable.
I guess I do tend to lean towards the latter since their stories have more dramatic tension.

There’s a right balance and a wrong balance. I believe they should have flaws, we can see them struggle, the heroes in the Boys are just fucked up, and every hero always tries to do good, we need those flaws, so they can overcome them, so we can see how strong we are, that’s more heroic than somoeone who never fails, who exists beyond the exterior

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>She loves the idea that they are flawed and like us.
Sociopaths are a small percentage of the population. Those characters shouldn't be relatable to most people

There's a reason 99% of Marvel and DC is unreadable. There're good and well rounded characters and then there's WWE style writing.

>I don’t like the idea that the hero could be some pervert or a sociopath in real life

The concept of The Boys it's overly cynical, but realistic. if you remember, the Super Heroes of The Boys are used to being able to do what they want, and when they make a disaster, such as killing a civilian in one of their battle or dropping a plane for their incapacity, they are protected by law. This makes them arrogant, uninhibited and it's the main reason why they are all sociopathic assholes.

The girlfriend of the protagonist dies brutally and the "hero" who killed her don't even mind For him it's just a nuisance. Unfortunately, without a clear responsibility to be accountable for, a lot of people just become like that.
I see it every day in minor situations, even at work, let alone when you can kill people and not be arrested. You need a huge mental moral strength to be the kind of hero you want. Heroes who make mistakes, but who always act genuinely for the common good. These people exist, but they are not the majority,.

perfect heroes reject the idea that power always corrupts, that "but thats just how people are" isn't a valid excuse for giving into temptation and abusing power in real life
flawed heroes reject the idea that you have to be perfect to do good, that "I'm no saint and its a dog eat dog world" isn't a valid excuse for being cruel and wicked every chance you get.

so they're different moral arguments that don't actually oppose one another because they're addressing different things, and both are ultimately arguing that "If you can help people in need, you should, no excuses" the difference is one is talking about billionaires and politicians and business owners/managers while the other is talking about your average joe whose power amounts to spare change, half a sandwich, and two fists.

You mentioned The Boys but thats an outlandish exaggeration thats just being meta about superhero comics so isn't really talking about the same thing except in twice removed kinda way.

personally my favorite kind of superhero is one that makes a point of breaking the law to help people who the laws have failed to protect, who has flaws but is always trying to be a good person. So I like most incarnations of Spider-Man, though it rubs me the wrong way when he gives characters like Black Cat shit for stealing from rich assholes that abuse loopholes to exploit people and hoard wealth like some dragon. I like the incarnations of Batman that put a heavy emphasis on catharsis and rehabilitation, that beats the shit out of supervillains and crime lords but offers jobs to the grunts and victims for the sake of severing the cycles of violence, and tries to reach out to his mentally ill foes and would rather see them redeemed than see them suffering, and the incarnations of Deadpool who understands he's too broken to stop murdering but strives to point himself at people whose deaths will have more positive repercussions than negative and protect the innocence of others

What is your take on Stardust?

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I like epic stuff. Like space adventures or godly stuff

I think there needs to be a good balance of both and that it's also contextual to the kind of story you're trying to tell. Personally I think a good Hero needs to be challenged, good and bad most of the time are subjective and many things come into play, but there are things that are subjectively bad and things that are objectively bad. But at the heart of it all, I believe what makes a good Hero is bravery in the face of danger, and if your hero isn't faced with tough moral decisions or have any personal obstacles to over come at any point in the story then they aren't very interesting, it's part of why Spider-Man is such a great hero and pretty much everyone loves him because of that. He may not always make the right decision, but he doesn't back down when threatened, even if the odds are stacked against him which doesn't happen too often with characters like Superman. So for Superman I think he is a really complex character to get right and often times he isn't done right because of his power level. So to make Superman work he needs to face some sort of dilemma, he needs to face situations such as handling conflicts of interest, staying true to a moral code even when tempted to go against it, to carry the burden of being depended upon by millions of people and still facing with a positive attitude, to be fair and kind even to his enemies and showing restraint when he can easily over power an opponent and not being arrogant.

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Tranny larping faggot.

For me, it's superman. His only flaw is that he cares too much and just wants to take care of his family and help out where ever he can.

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I jerk off to a mirror. Eat my asshole.

I love that also. The H.P. Lovecraft stuff has really become a huge interest lately for me.

What the fuck is this shit thread

Flaw is a buzzword
Characters need to face conflict in a story, obviously. An interesting way to introduce conflict is to have it birth from a characters traits.
Superman is trusting, which endears him to new allies. Conflict comes when he trusts the wrong person.
Batman is cold, which keeps people distant from him, making them safe. Conflict comes when his neglect of someone turns them into an enemy.
People think they can just make a character a fuck-up because "uwu they're so flawed and interesting" and never realize that no one's going to buy that such an unlikable piece of shit is a hero.
But you're right, it doesn't make any sense that horrible sociopaths decide to be superheroes if they don't care about people.

Never read the Boys, but is there at least one hero who tries to do the right thing, and not abuse his or her power?

The one your girlfriend thinks about when she’s on the phone with you.

It feels like The Punisher has gotten away with it.

>having a girlfriend and going on Yea Forums

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Frank isn't exactly a hero

Nah, I feel you.
I think a lot of people prefer the costume to the man behind it.

It depends on the kind of story is being told and how well it is executed.

A morally righteous hero done well is inspiring and hopeful, done wrong it feels too disingenuous and boring.

A flawed hero done well presents a more realistic context that can be more relate able to the average person, done wrong its usually super edgy and retarded.

That's because the Punisher isn't a superhero story, it's Deathwish set in a superhero universe
That's why the only good Punisher run was Punisher MAX because it was almost entirely divorced from the Marvel universe