How do you feel about the zombot apocalypse happening in the IDW Sonic?

If they think it's better than what's in the comic, show it.

I’m sad to think that Sonic will have to get yet another reboot when IDW goes under in a year. It’s a damn shame we can’t establish the Sonic universe before we need to start over.

You need to build things up before you can tear it down.

I think this is a more efficient version of being roboticized and seeing some internal conflict amongst the core cast might be interesting.

Nah, SEGA just won't bother with comics anymore.

The very first issue of Archie Sonic has already started and ended building up the introduction characters, the world, the background main situation and everything else in only ONE issue.

ONE.

There's absolutely no excuse here to slog down extremely the comic to the point you need around 6 to more issues for means of building up. Ian is a terrible, awful writer. In fact, there's no point in IDW Sonic existing in the first place as long it maintains to be what is it currently.

The very first issue of Archie also had the SatAM series which already established the characters, and back then the "characterization" was extremely shallow and one-dimensional.

It's not very interesting. It's a bit unsettling more than anything, and not in a good way.

I also still feel it was way too soon to introduce OCs like Tangle and Whisper, and even more presumptuous to think they're popular enough to have their own series.

But as someone who stuck around to watch IDW's Transformers series go down in flames piss and vomit, my expectations are pretty low to begin with.

>loses his best friend due to drug overdose
>loses his entire family to genocide caused by Robotnik
>get tortured to the point his mind is scrambled and mentally reverts back to a child
>loses girlfriend due to write off
>now gets zombiefied
Why does Charmy suffer so much in these comics?

Because Charmy didn't have a personality in his one and only game up until 2003, so Archie gave him one themselves. Like most of their efforts, this became a problem when Sega gave him an actual personality, and they went about fixing their Charmy in the most appaling way.

Also, nobody likes Charmy, and unlike Big he's not at all endearing, so he's basically the sacrificial pawn.

Why would they bother? They got the souless corporate fan fiction they've been wanting for decades now.

The good shit we got from Archie and Fleetway? Little bastard comics they never planned for when they just wanted to milk the publishers for cheap cash like the whores they think they are (and in Archie's case, they are).

All SEGA wants is to shill out Sonic march that will make your kids buy their shitty games and make more shitty fan fiction that is basically advertisements for their shitty games.

I guess the one thing I should be thankful is that SEGA didn't went whole hedgehog and just made a Sonic Mega Drive ongoing for normies to eat up.

>Why would they bother? They got the souless corporate fan fiction they've been wanting for decades now.
SEGA doesn't even want that. They literally just want the opening cutscene of the newest Sonic game to be retold in comic form, and then just have the kids buy the game to get the whole thing.

Well it's something I guess. The IDW Sonic comics have been just spinning their wheels for quite a while and this liquid zombifying metal shit that Eggman's pouring on everything and creating chaos is actually some drama and added stakes which is fun.

>and even more presumptuous to think they're popular enough to have their own series.

This. Issue 0 was in my box for free and it just makes me want to drop it all.

>Archie autists
LOL

Archie Sonic was a masterpiece. This is utter trash.

As much as I am an Archie Autist, IDW is such a low bar to cross that practically ANY incarnation of Sonic is better than this.

Even AoSTH.
Even X.
Even Boom.
Even Underground....ok maybe not that low.

Why exactly is IDW Sonic so horrible? The reasons I've seen feel like personal opinions about not doing things at breakneck speeds, it's not like they're going to be adapting games into the comic anytime soon because all of the games have already happened in the comic's timeline.

Everything is a continuation of Sonic Forces' story which was total shit to begin with.

Flynn's plans and ideas had to be thrown out so many times, what we're getting is probably what's left.

THIS. THIS. And finally, with SEGA firmly on the reigns, whatever ideas or story a comic medium can carry Sonic will come last to "keeping the integrity of the brand" or whatever the fuck SEGA wants from the Sonic franchise. it's the least ambitious, creative or even trashiest a Sonic can ever be.

You want personal opinion? IDW Sonic isn't shitty because its bad.But it's not good either. It's not even mediocre..at least in the same way we can make fun with the regular Sonic games. It's just there.

We could've gotten an awesome reboot like IDW'S TMNT. Instead, we got what amounts to officially licensed fan fiction like IDW'S MLP.

YES. I know all capeshit is fan fiction but comics made to shill products are even worse

It's funny, IDW Sonic pretty much is just Sega-unofficial Sonic Forces fan-fiction, including their own OC characters.

>-unofficial
In what way? After all, they're approving and stamping on everything in this comic, sounds pretty legit to me. It's basically just a companion to the games at this point (just with characters who will never show because of glorious Nippon )

Unless you mean "unofficial" in the sense that as soon as SEGA & Sonic Team fucks over the canon again like they always do, this comic will be retooled faster than you can say Carol Danvers?

Cuz yeah, that sounds like something they would do.

The next Sonic game for sure is not gonna be continuing the Forces' storyline. They'll probably just redo everything again.

What they need first and foremost is a good game, plot lines and characters come secondary. I remember people complaining about all these Sonic characters only when the games got really bad, if Team Sonic just makes a strong foundation for gameplay, then they can add whatever story they want cause either fans will like it or it will become campy in a few years.

Honestly I just want a Sonic Mania 2 more then anything. A totally original game by that team would probably end up being even more beloved then Mania was.

>The very first issue of Archie also had the SatAM series which already established the characters
The Archie characterization was entirely different. Shit, Rotor's name was Boomer and Sally was pink. The show is unnecessary and doesn't help anyway.
>and back then the "characterization" was extremely shallow and one-dimensional.
You're acting like it's any different now.

You say "actually happening, but it's taken half a year to start a stock zombie plot. Nothing is actually being developed or established that means post. You literally could have established as much as these last six issues in two 20 page stories.

Gimme more shit like Rouge's story in the Annual. Why waste 100 pages on a bad zombie plot when we can do it in seven and move on to another idea? Sonic's all about creativity, spontaneity and the absurd, why drag a stick plot out?

Not every one enjoys the western format where you cram giant plots and character development into four chapters. Some people like to let the story breathe and plant seeds for multiple future stories, the Archie Sonic comics were only really good much later after a bunch of shit was established.

You know you can do that without dragging a story out for months, right? Why not tell several episodic stories that plant those seeds? Ian's clearly building Starline up to turn on Eggman because his plans are too morally reprehensible. Why not kill two birds with one stone by making this gradual over the course of several increasingly vile plans, ending on a multi-parter zombie apocalypse story?

Nobody is against a slow burn on development. They're against needlessly padding things out when the comic is devoid of content. We had an issue where the B plot was recapping, stalling to hit the page requirement, and shilling Tangle's book. That's not good pacing or writing.

Let me guess. You're here to tell me to stop liking what you don't like, right?

Is IDW inserting bizarre politics in sonic like they did in IDW Hasbro shit? Black lives matter stand in MLP, Transgender transformers and G.I Joe being turned into pro communist propaganda.

Nope. Sega's a stricter licensor than Hasbro. Maybe a character will be gray eventually at most, but they don't like Sonic making statements unless it's a very corporate PR thing, otherwise it might get confused as part of the character.

Fuck Charmy.

>gray
Gay, fuck me.

I would never understand why this stupid board sucks Ian and IDW dick so hard, The guy hates humans,Marine and Metal while trying to push his annoying OCs, refuses to ship Silver and Blaze like the games do, hates Adventure games and loves SaTam, turns straight characters into lesbians to get Tmblrina/Dyke points and just like most Sonic fans hates the more serious game stories when all he does is writting furry autismo drama.

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What the fuck are you talking about? When has he done most of those things?

Its copypasta, user.

Not him, but I kind of wish they'd just do a complete alternate universe type of thing. Modern sonic doesn't have any compelling storylines to work off of, and the character interactions post-Archie are pretty bland. Might as well shake up the status quo and see what falls out. One idea:

>history diverges 50 years ago
>Maria survives the ARK attack
>Gerald and Shadow retaliate by collecting the chaos emeralds and arming the eclipse cannon as a deterrent against future agression
>eliminate GUN and step in to fill the power vacuum
>Robotnik empire rises and spreads over the next five decades
>Ivo takes over after his grandfather dies and champions order while an aged Maria softens his hand
>chaos energy tech becomes ubiquitous and results in abnormally high numbers of chaos-sensitive individuals
>Shadow acts as the regime's top enforcer with people like an modern day Blaze and Silver under his command
>Sonic is the new kid on the block who chafes under the empire's rules but isn't sure he wants any of this "hero" business
>the fact that he somehow matches the Ultimate Lifeform but shares none of his loyalty makes him a prime target anyway

Bam, there's your setup. Just run the old game story elements up against the new dynamic and your writers are set for years.

Or it could be about a hedgehog who runs fast and instead of worrying about some sort of detailed backstory the writers and artists could just come up with stuff they think is interesting.
Like the games did.

Focusing on "lore" and explanations detracts from the brand's natural creative elasticity. Making the entire premise more than a paragraph makes it hard to veer off into the absurd and goofy at the drop of a hat or shift from slapstick to melodrama while also making accessibility worse. if you want an interminable license comic, your best bet is to make it as accessible as possible. Not by appealing to the lowest common denominator, but by establishing the serial as malleable, easy to pick up and high in value. A good Sonic comic is one that's willing to shuffle creators and approach many different ideas and styles in order to avoid monotony and curate a sense of novelty and worth.

This reads like a bad fanfic from 2003.

There's a middle ground sweet spot between a ridiculously high barrier of entry like the one that keeps forcing comic reboots and Sonic Boom: The Comic. And I don't mean in the spirit of the TV show, which worked nicely because they kept things almost entirely comedic. I'm talking about the oatmeal slog of an "accessible plot" that was the game.

Cool, I mean I was specifically saying it shouldn't be that so I agree with you.