The Dark Crystal

Why? The gelfling puppets are creepy as fuck.
Puppets work well for villainous zombie birds, but not humanoids like that

I'm mad the game looks to be a generic Fire Emblem clone, something more akin to a Souls game (Matching in atmosphere and immersion of course) would be fucking perfect for this world.

It really bums me out how practical effects like puppetry and those well made sets are practically dying out and replaced with just CGI everything.

Why not *both*?
youtube.com/watch?v=zSV42j8lccg

In the trailer, it seemed like there was a new skeksis. The guy in armor, holding up the swords.

>be me
>quietly mutter at our latest banquet how our penis inspections for basic functions aeound the castle are an outdated concept and completely unnecessary
>emperor calls me a faggot
>challenges me to a trial by stone since I apparently felt so strongly about it
>I fucking lose
>no matter how much vital essence I sneak from the podlings in the lab in secret my dick STILL can't get bigger
IT'S NOT FUCKING FAAAAAAAIIIIIIIR

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It follows that we should have several. Depending on how much they follow previous forms of expanded lore we could have quite a few more, theoretically all the way up to them all except for the ones that died when the Crystal was broken

Took me 2 attempts to watch the entirety. The beginning is very boring generic black&white good vs evil fantasy with generic protagonist and generic narration. But BOY does it get better once you get past the first 30 minutes. This is a movie that rewards patience and persistence.

>reminder that they were all dual-sex, having both sets of organs
>yes, even the one in the dress and makeup

whole movie's pretty damn boring, but the boring you stick with because it's interesting in other ways

Well, it stops being boring if you stick with it.

HMmmmmmm

>Took me 2 attempts to watch the entirety.
The pleb is strong with this one.

They better make him an intimidating schemer in the new show rather than some faux-sympathetic whimper machine.

The Skeksis puppets are great, until they have to move their hands.

HhhMMmmmmm

I love everything about this movie, it breaks my heart that Jim Henson put so much into it and he never saw it become a success.

the thing which I loved the most about the movie is who originally it looked. it isn´t your standard fantasy setting but instead has tons of unique looking animals which still don´t look too alien to create a crash with the fantasy setting.
I still wish somebody would put the manga for it online.

NO! CGI BAD! REEEEEE

>two female protags, one male

Time for puppet love triangles.

I found it all to be a bit too faggy

I cant believe they thought making a movie entirely in a made up language without subs was a good idea. (It was redubbed)

Useless trivia no one cares about but me Tokomon from Digimon (baby Patamon and Angemon) was based on that fucking dog thing

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Perfectly normal.

honestly would have loved to get a directors cut version that uses the made up language with subs

A workprint actually managed to get out in the wild and someone actually put together a "Skeksis Language Cut" of the movie.

>the music is fucking phenomenal
Damn right it is. Character design in general are amazing, too.

Fuck that. There are more than enough dreary atmosphere dodging-the-attack games on the market while tactics games, like puppetry, are a dying art.

I don't see why they ever would, Chamberlain's entire character in the original was being a scheming, manipulative bastard. That should definitely come through in the prequel.

Of course it was always a bit of both. It's what allowed them to have the full body of the puppets visible for scenes without showing the puppeteers. Labyrinth took this experience and expanded it, especially for the Fireys. Those assholes wouldn't have been possible without it, at least not as the scene was filmed.

For whatever reason people are programmed these days to hate when a computer does the editing as opposed to a bunch of humans working painstakingly at the same task. Is it just the expenditure of effort involved? The computer is too easy? It's not human so there's no value in what it does? If it's just because it's ubiquitous well no shit, it was always going to be.

It's weird how people loathe bad CGI but can feel nostalgic over bad practical effects. Or love claymation (which is an artform I appreciate) but loathe similarly bad CGI. It's why people swear up and down that the Star Wars Prequels were all CGI when really they made a shitton of practical effects, sets, ships, etc, while the Original Trilogy had plenty of blue screen.

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Even shitty props are really there. It’s something people can appreciate and really love when they’re done great

Not to say the Fireys were green screen. It was achieved by filming them on a black backdrop with the puppeteers wearing all black, which means the scenery had to be added in post-production. It still looks off, like the puppets aren't quite real, but it works.

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A lot of times there are multiple practical sets, the green screen and CGI is just to fit them together like puzzle pieces. Or something is a model filmed separately and then inserted next to actors as if it were a much larger object. FGI isn't all Sharknados, though for what it's worth people for some reason enjoyed that too for all its horrible goofiness.

Are the prequel/sequel comics worth a look before the show starts?

More useless trivia: Gates McFadden, Dr. Crusher from Star Trek: TNG, choreographed this scene.

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Creation Myths is good and I like the manga.

Power of the Dark Crystal is meh.

CRYSTAL BATS FLY
SEARCH THE LAND
SEARCH THE WATER
SEARCH THE SKY

Power of the Dark Crystal is interesting enough. Expanded the lore, showed us a glimpse of a better Thra (albeit not as healthy as it seemed by far). Ultimately the biggest issue I had with it is that it retreat the same plot as the original movie to a huge extent and where the Ur-Skeks were supposed to have returned home at the end of the first movie instead it makes it seem like their home was inside the crystal all along, which was just bizarre. Just an excuse to have the Skeksis and Mystics return as opposed to actually dealing with new problems.

Still it gave us elite tactical flying ninja gelfling waifus, so cheers for that. Then goddamn Chamberlain killed them all but oh well. Admittedly the Skeksis in the comics were probably way too overpowered. They forgot that the Skeksis took over Thra when they were at the height of their physical powers. By the first movie they weren't just fat and decadent but also old and weak, which is why the Emperor died and why they wanted rejuvenation potions so badly.

Still I liked it better than the Labyrinth comic. That ending was just weird. Makes the movie feel weird when you set them side by side.

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So what would be the best first place to look for more lore after I watched the film?

one of my first faps. I'm not even ashamed, tho.

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Not my thing personally but I don't blame you in the slightest, she kinda cute.

As another user said, Creation Myths is rather good. Novel with nice visuals tracking the history of Thra from before the arrival of the urSkeks. Of course if you just want to delve at surface level then there is a wiki for everything.

darkcrystal.com/encyclopedia_creationmyths.php

darkcrystal.fandom.com/wiki/The_Dark_Crystal_Wiki

Power of the Dark Crystal isn't bad and it's freely available wherever you can (((read comics online))). 12 issues long, though the ending still feels rushed and yes the story did retread a lot of the movie. There MAY be an excuse in there about the cyclical nature of Thra and its history, events repeating themselves, but it would be slight. I'd have rather had something new and the underground world of fire was barely explored. FWIW it does use the script from the now defunct sequel movie, of which we only ever saw the proposed older Jen and Kira and a hint of Fireling.

I'm really interested in seeing the prequel when it comes out. I have hopes, but also some unease. Dark Crystal was a big dream realized for Henson, a world he had in his head he wanted to capture. It didn't even have a story at first, merely the inklings of what he wanted to bring to life. When he saw the works of Brian Froud he new he had the visual style he wanted. Story goes that after it failed at the box office it broke his heart. Frankly much as I like the movie and largely enjoy the side material, in some ways it may have been better to just lead it exist as it was and not have others try to add to it.

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Brian Froud is of course a huge huge part of Labyrinth too. His goblins are great, in fact I have an old calendar drawn by him which I kept just for the artwork. Some fun fun stuff. I also have his World of Faeries book somewhere. I'll have to hunt it down. He has an amazing visual style, it's great. Like Giger but not obsessed with technorganic dicks and tits everywhere.

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>They forgot that the Skeksis took over Thra when they were at the height of their physical powers.

Wouldn't fusing again reset their internal clocks? The urSkeks are immortal after all.

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I cannot say just as I cannot say that their having aged as their component parts before remerging, or just the split alone, had any impact on their UrSkek form. I can say that in the comics the Skeksis were really happy to see so many gelflings again with their tasty essence, since podlings were never as useful. I don't know if this was in the movie script, but in the comic they just seemed to enjoy the excuse to have the Skeksis and Mystics back, regardless of how little sense it made. Hell, they ALSO had Chamberlain getting exiled and chasing Jen again because why not? At least UrSol the Chanter turned out to be a bro though the other Mystics were next to useless. Then (major spoiler for the comics) the Chanter died because Chamberlain's greedy ass got shotgunned by shards of the exploding Crystal as it was reborn/reforged in the heart of Thra's core.

>in fact I have an old calendar drawn by him which I kept just for the artwork
that sounds amazing

His stuff's fun
wsimag.com/art/11413-brian-and-wendy-froud

Where?

The one place I could actually find it now.
veoh.com/watch/v70593620BqtdwgNG

It's a beautiful film with incredible ideas and a lot of effort put in. The pacing is pretty off and sometimes it feels like Jim didn't properly convey what was in his head, but overall it's a movie to appreciate.

I think Labyrinth was his best non-Muppet movie.

It looks good, but I'm disappointed they went the prequel route.

I don't mind a prequel, though I do hate how it's largely a foregone conclusion, though maybe some merit in seeing how they wind up with Jen and Kira surviving. Then again it takes place early enough that maybe it's not possible to do so.

End of the day I think they figured, like the Power of the Dark Crystal comic, that people expect the Dark Crystal to have Skeksis and Mystics involved, and they'd be off limits in a sequel unless you decide, fuck it, breaking the Crystal again somehow farts out the UrSkeks and splits them in half again.

Nobody:
Literally Nobody:
Not a Single Fucking Soul:
JHC: UNGA BUNGA CGI GOOD

Any aspiring puppeteers out there? Have an idea for a project?

There's an user on this board working on an official puppet remake of Strawinsky and the Mysterious House (The film that had the Globgogabgalab.) He posted a WIP of the GGGG puppet. Wish I had a pic of it.

The ending of Blade 1 seems kind of similar to this movie.

Kira seems kind of like Blade. Jen kind of like Karen. Aughra seems kind of like Whistler.

Thank you.

Gelflings freak me the fuck out

Pussy.

They look weird. I'm glad the Skeksis genocided their uncanny valley asses

t. Chamberlain

t. Gelfling scum
Hmmmmmm

Trial By Stone right the fuck now kid

TRIAL
BY
STOOOOONE

Those solo images show just how closely DiTerlizzi tries to emulate his stuff, pretty nice.
Also didn't know his wife (?) also did faerie work, neat.

What this user said. I remember being forced to take my little brother to see this and I was bored out of my fucking skull at the time. Watched it again 10 yrs later while drinking with some buddies and we really got to appreciate the work and craftsmanship that went into. I have a lot of respect for it since.

I hope they never remake this. But my faith in this (de)generation to leave well enough alone is fairly nonexistant.

Labyrinth is a much more likely candidate for a remake. I wouldn't ever expect one for TDC solely because the amount of people who would actually see it would be insanely minimal. The prequel will probably the closest they'd get to that.

Oh god no. You can't just recast Bowie. You shouldn't even try.

I believe they died shortly after the splitting, not exactly when the crystal was shattered, if they're working from the book

The background lore from World of the Dark Crystal is a little more complex than what's presented in the film ("The crystal broke and we split") - the urSkeks built a big machine around the Crystal to channel its energies into a special beam of light passing through the Chamber of Life (the mirror used for draining is presumably a remnant of this), which they walked through during a great conjunction. The beam, intended to burn away whatever evil lay within their souls, instead simply divided evil from good (or more accurately, divided negative energies from positive energies, eastern philosophy style), splitting them into the Skeksis and the urRu. The Skeksis, uncertain of their new perspective and fearing the creatures that had split from them, killed two of the urRu, an act which immediately ended two of their own number, after which the Skeksis kept away from them. IIRC the crystal was shattered by a Skeksis shortly before or after that, during an argument. I've always wondered if they were perhaps worried that it would be used to reassemble them if left whole. Maybe they were just irrationally pissed at it; that'd fit just as well.

You might also want to check out Farscape if you've never seen the show. It's another excellent example of Jim Henson's creature shop work.

I wonder if the sequel comics for both would translate well.

The Skeksis/Mystic split was the result of one of the UrSkeks being in a bad place mentally immediately beforehand from a Gelfling bard that was invited to the Conjunction Ceremony unwittingly learning a very personal UrSkek song of homesickness and being unable to handle the bantz from Aughra's son Raunip.

I'm excited for the prequel series just because TDC's lore is just so fucking weird and I really want to see more of it.

From the Creation Myths comic, right?

I need to finish that, but I lost my place.

The World of the Dark Crystal has it being simple hubris on the part of the urSkeks - you can't destroy your own bad side, you need to accept it. The implication being that either the people that kicked them out of their homeworld for being slightly bad weren't as pure as they claimed to be, or that they were kicked out for not being able to harmonize with their bad sides, not sure.

I thought that was the fault of Aughra's mutant alien son critter/pet? I mean Raunip was absolutely correct that the UrSkeks were bad news but he, albeit unwittingly, kickstarted the shitstorm.

>Also didn't know his wife (?) also did faerie work, neat.
She's pretty famous as a doll and figure maker. IIRC she was involved in making the prototype puppets for The Dark Crystal, even.

Yeah, Raunip was basically jabbing the UrSkek while in the midst of that depressive episode, pissing him off and starting the shitstorm that broke the others.

So did the mystics not have any genitals which led them to being hermits?

It was kind of weird how the UrSkeks were not the enlightened, all-wise, all-gentle beings suggested by the movie. But, hell, the point WAS that they contained both the wise Mystics and the vile Skeksis, so yeah I'll buy it.

I think the urSkeks we got at the end of the film might have found their own enlightenment through a thousand years of suffering.

Alternate possibility: their time as Skeksis taught them that Gelflings are fuckin' tasty and they're giving Jen and Kira some time to shore up the numbers before returning to feast. I mean it's possible.

In some of the cut footage there is a scene with Jen bathing naked.

>I've not seen the movie

You poor soul!

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I'm not familiar with the lore, but the Skeksis only succed their vital essence from what I remember. Don't think they actually ate them although it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.

They never really focussd on races in the Shining series. Rhino-man-steamroller?hHamster fighterpilot? Ralking jellyfish? Sure, sure, get in the crab we are saving the world.

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The Crystal promotes life so basically they found a way to use the Dark Crystal to reverse the process and harvest all the life giving essence from creatures. At the end the light of the repaired Crystal is enough to restore Kira to life, but the Dark version is either too corrupted or just too damaged. They couldn't survive on the Crystal directly, only stolen energies.

Since the UrSkeks are immortal, though, they wouldn't need such a thing to sustain themselves, they'd presumably just be doing it for fun.

Deet a cute. CUTE!

They were also getting energy from the suns via the Crystal, it was what was keeping them just this side of withering away and dying. Podling essence was too temporary. Gelfling essence was longer lasting but non-available. The idea in the movie was that they were just hanging on until the next Great Conjunction when they were sure the darkened Crystal would grant them immortality.

I'm super interested to see how the Gelfling race collapses as a whole in the prequel. Judging by the trailers and game footage there seems to be a whole lot of them aligned with the Skeksis, so I wonder where and when the rift began. We obviously know why (Their vital essence and all that) but the leadup and betrayal sound like they could be interesting to watch.
Well that would be a bit of a dick move wouldn't it
I am prepared for this show's Gelfling waifs. Too bad they will all die.

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Depending on how long before the movie it's set, it could be that plenty of Gelfling will still live long (if somewhat more bleak) lives before any age of genocide - it looks like the implication is that the Skeksis have only just discovered the life-draining technique. There was a "war" seen in the dreamfasting sequence in the film, but it remains to be seen if it was directly part of the Age of Resistance or simply a last gasp before the Skeksis wiped the Gelfling out due to the prophecy.

The Skeksis still seem to be pretty strong at the time of the series, too, going by the trailer. You can even see one of them using his secondary arms to wield swords, when the ones from the movies all seem to be suffering from atrophy in their secondaries (as seen with the Chamberlain). They look younger too, less decrepit.

TRIAL BY STOOONE

You couldn't possibly remake Labyrinth well. Bowie and the 80s aesthetic were too important.

Well Satan, if just 16 of those niggas could nearly genocide an entire race (Albeit with some magical assistance), I imagine their younger selves must have been no slouches.

They show Jen naked at the beginning of the movie anyway.
I'm wondering why we didn't see a naked kira scene.

>Well that would be a bit of a dick move wouldn't it
You can take the Skeksis out of the UrSkek but when you put them back together again they've still got a Skeksis in them.

~~~~>666

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Don't they just woosh on back to their old planet anyway because it was better there or whatever? Seems like further dicking around on Thra would be a waste of time.
Thanks for the exorcism pal, appreciate it.

I agree with you. And I miss the time when they were able to have more impact with less splashyness, and didn't try "blockbuster"ing the movie.

>the trial stone was actually the Skeksis' attempt to make their own, more potent crystal until they figured out how to extract Essence with the reflector
That's pretty neat actually. I find it funny they still clung to it so obsessively even after the discovery. Even moreso hilarious that they were apparently actually close to their goal but they kept bickering so it never came to fruition. The Skeksis really were a just a swell ol' bunch were they?

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I suppose that goes with the theme of them being a split species. The skeks could innovate extraordinary things but lacked the qualities to fulfill their goals.

Huh, I always figured it was a way to keep them from murdering each other because of their limited number.
Honestly if it wasn't for the trial by stone they'd probably just kill each other outright and exterminate the species.
The O.G. emperor straight up brained a bitch with his scepter back in the old days/Creation Myth comics.

Im sure before the stlne they used gelflings.

>Skeksis using Armed Gelflings as bootleg pokemon to settle political disputes.
I can see that.

GELFLING SLAP FIGHT!
SLAP FIGHHHHT!
SLAP FIGHHHHT!

I imagine most of the work was on the backs of garthim and loyal gelflings. Can't wait for the general to start swinging his chad evil birddick around to fuck with the little elf people.

They also apparently had powered vehicles once upon a time, if that semi-organic looking coach thing in the trailer is anything to go by.

He might be the fucker pulling a general grevious with those damn swords in the trailer.
He seemed like the type of guy who'd get down in the dirt and strangle a motherfucker with his bare hands.

I just hope the skeksis and mystics get more dialogue this time and that the chamberlain doesn't hog the spotlight too hard.

The lore book describes him as "finding satisfaction in tearing apart the gentle Gelfling", so apparently he was quite hands-on.

"Strongest of all for brute force, after the Emperor, was skekUng the Garthim-Master. Torment was his pleasure, though his urSkeks original had been a healer and continued so in his urRu form. Hidden in that tall, shining urSkeks was one who, ages later, could find pleasure in tearing apart the gentle Gelfling. The urSkeks knew this evil was in them and tried hard to burn it out. The soul driven by strong forces is weak, and the soul without strength is helpless. Wisdom and compassion have their roots in the same soil as violence and hate; the strong being allows them to fight within him, to recognize that his strength of will must control the evil he could do. That the urSkeks did not understand this and violated their nature was the ruin of our World. They looked and spoke like superior beings, but they too were capable of error."

I have an irrational Hate for this thing, im not saying its bad or not, but hear me out

Flashback when im a little wee lad, my family is not exactly rich but we get by,every friday my father takes us to the Videoclub (Which everyone rents from, since my city is really small) and me,my dad and my two older brothers choose a movie in order every friday so we all can enjoy something different
Last movie we saw was spy kids, and we had a blast, but i remember wanting to watch the only DBZ tape they had, the Gogeta one, since im a stupid child with stupid brain
Thing is, my middle brother really isnt feeling it, so he tells me to pick the movie instead,since he knows im going to pick the DBZ one and he's ok with it
But my father comes in with this movie and goes ''this has a lot of awards, just like spirited away and howling castle kids, so it must be great!''
We all agree to it but im already turned off by the cover, its some cheap pirated one that really irks me, but we get to home, we make sandwiches and we sit down
I dont remember a lot of the movie, i zoned out in the first ten minutes because it didnt catch my interest, but the stupid sound the weird bird did, the HNNNNN, always made me angry, my middle brother is just drawing, and my father is bored to tears, the only one remotely interested in the movie is my older brother who is mocking it and making the same sound of HNNNN over and over again
But then the fucking movie stops, apparently the tape got fucked, so we have to get back to the videoclub to get it back... which means i get to rent the DBZ one right?
Well no, turns out the stupid movie got rented, so since im a stupid kid i throw a tantrum, but my dad had a long day at the job, had to sit down for an hour of a movie he hated and my brothers were fighting earlier on the day,so he cuts right to the point, i dont get to choose the movie for two weeks and i get my ass whooped for triying to talk back to him

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i dont know if the movie is bad, but i get assblasted to infinity everytime they bring it up, i had like 7 at the time for fucks sake, i spent two fridays watching movies i didnt care about instead of watching airbud or some stupid kid movie i wanted and to this day im eternally assblasted to this movie for having to sit down in family to some dumb cop movie or drama thing
Im sorry if its great or not, but i hate it so much and FUCK THAT BLUE THING THAT GOES HNNNNN

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Older brother had it right.

LOL

Movies could use more 80s aesthetics these days, for sure.

>having to endure Air bud instead of Terminator
>me and my sister criying because mom wont drive us to get another movie since the disney flick we rented was terrible
I miss the simple times where everything was better user

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I never watched TDC till last weekend. It's funny, I always saw the covers/cases at bargin stores and friends houses but never actually watched it. When WoWs first expantion The Burning Crusade came out so much of it reminded me of the art work on the covers.

After finally watching it it's hilarious just how clearly WoW copied so much of the movie.

Examples for someone who isn't a WoW player?

This, I'm interested in artwork and of anything of it made it to the d20 RPG.

Race of bird people in outlands called the Rokkoa. Orignally they where this powerful kingdom that uses the power of the sun for their magic and send criminals or other unworthy people to a dark swamp to kill them. Some Rokkoa are able to survive the swamp but transform in to pic related. They are all a bunch of crazy warlocks who like to sneak around.

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Here is some art of what the high castle looks like from Warlords of Dreanor. Apologies for not having much as I am in filthy phone posting mode.

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Yup, clear homage, HMmMMmmmmmMMMMM?

Happytime Murders flopped? Guess we'll have the mine our father's ideas again.

The two most-involved Henson kids really aren't anywhere near him in capability. Both of them are mostly businesspeople and professional heirs, though Brian at least has done some notable puppet work (Jack Pumpkinhead and Hoggle, for instance).

At least they got Froud to help with this one, and they aren't involved with directing or writing.

Thank the crystal for small mercies.

Should have challenged your dad to a Trial by Stone. You wouldn't have won, but he'd at least respect you for trying before he beat your ass and banished you.

Looks like we're definitely going to see the Emperor kick some ass. There was a reason all the others were scared of him, even as he lay dying.

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Nice. I always wanted to see how his pimp hand stacked up in his prime.

These hacks haven't told a memorable story in over a decade. I'm surprised Brian, Lisa, Heather and Cheryl keep this business afloat.

I think they make most of their money from contract work. There might also be a couple of artsy puppeteer-educating foundations contributing cash flow in a slightly shady way, not sure.

How tall are Gelflings, anyway?

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PBS CG shows like Dinosaur Train have been their primary income source.

I wonder what Jim would have thought of all the CGI stuff.

Weren't the Jim Henson Company working on a version of mo-cap that used a puppet rig instead of a bodysuit?

3 to 4 feet.

>inb4 Flammer Skeksis

Yes. You know Waldo, that obnoxious CG character in MuppetVision 3D and the Jim Henson Hour? He was the first use of that technology.

>Waldo
Well, I have to give them props for the jokey name at least, because the system isn't far off from a waldo, it just routes the input to a digital object instead of a real world one:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_manipulator

Have they done anything with it since then?

Anyone remember No You Shut Up? I feel like that type of news parody show should make a comeback.

Just put it up, got to the death of old masters, and turned down. Seems convoluted and boring

Odds Mark Hamill is voicing the Chamberlain? They're being really coy with the Chamberlain's casting, and with the identity of the character Hamill is signed to play, just that it's either a Skeksis or an urRu.

ign.com/articles/2019/06/26/netflixs-dark-crystal-age-of-resistance-adds-sigourney-weaver-lena-headey-to-voice-cast?sf104612378=1

Mark Hamill is the Scientist

Also, Sigourney Weaver and Benedict Wong are in the show.

Never mind, IMDB has him as The Scientist.

Yeah, just googled it. Apparently Simon Pegg is the Chamberlain.

I wonder how many of these people are fans of the original, or knew Jim?

Isn’t that the General? I remember in the books he was the one who was most vicious in battle.

If Hamill was playing anyone other than a Skeksis I'd be shocked. He gets typecasted as scheming bastards a whole damn lot.
Anyway, here's the casting for all the Skeksis
>Benedict Wong as the General
>Awkwafina as the Collector
>Mark Hamill as the Scientist
>Jason Isaacs as the Emperor
>Keegan-Michael Key as the Ritual Master
>Andy Samberg as the Heretic (pic related)
>Simon Pegg as Chamberlain
>Neil Sterenberg as the Scroll-Keeper
>Ralph Ineson as the Hunter
>Alice Dinnean as the Ornementalist
>Harvey Fierstein as the Gourmand

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Here's the Hunter

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The Hunter is a major part of those novels they've been putting out the last couple years.

Here's a Mystic character named "The Archer", played by Ólafur Darri Ólafsson

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>the Heretic
>earthy look
>simple clothing
>"clean" circle-triangle symbols
>unbroken Aribanariba serpent circle on his staff when the Skeksis always use the broken form
I wonder if he's the only Skeksis that understands how broken they are and wants to fix it? hence the others calling him a Heretic?

Badass. Do we have a pic of The Collector?

Counterpart of the Hunter? I think this is the first pic I've seen of a new-series urRu. He looks a lot younger and more spry, just like the Skeksis. Apparently the urRu used to be able to stand up instead of crouching all the time, I wonder if they'll be doing that here?

It's nice especially for 1982.

But The Labyrinths puppets and animatronics are so much better.
Crazy how far they evolved in only 4 years.

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Here's the Collector

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Looks like they've been collecting rads.

There's also someone in the cast as "The Myth-Speaker", played by Sigourney Weaver, I wonder who that is? She's not in the lists of people playing Gelfling, urRu or Skeksis...

Also, Helena Bonham-Carter is playing the All-Maudra, which I seem to recall from the comics is a female elder Gelfling.

I love high fantasy

I love puppetry and animatronics

What if The Myth-Speaker is Raunip?

I'm entirely positive it's just the in-universe name for this series' narrator.
Here's the All-Maudra
Side-note, I'm adoring all these puppets. They're so intricately crafted and everything, I'm getting a lot of good signals from this show already just from a technical viewpoint. Here's hoping it delivers.
Raunip is Aughra's son, unlikely.

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Yeah and he’s neither Gelfling, Skesis, or urRu, plus in Creation Myths it was him telling the myths.

Any word on how long each episode is or how many episodes there will be in season 1?

But it's also Sigourney Weaver. It's not impossible they'd cast her as a male, but it's unlikely.

Raunip was male, right? I'm not sure how well having him voiced by Weaver would work.

I do like the story of his creation, though - literally the child of two worlds, since Aughra is the avatar of Thra and she made Raunip from the meteoric remnant of a dead world. Literal planetary romance.

>I'm entirely positive it's just the in-universe name for this series' narrator.
Could be. It does sound like a rank the Gelfling would bestow. Then again there are more weird one-off entities than just Aughra and Raunip, like Deet's sapient plant teacher/boss/master/whatever. Could be one of those, too.

>Side-note, I'm adoring all these puppets. They're so intricately crafted and everything, I'm getting a lot of good signals from this show already just from a technical viewpoint. Here's hoping it delivers.
Same. I think they do look quite different to the originals after a fashion, but I'm putting that down to materials and techniques having moved on after thirty-odd years, like probably using a very modern silicone mix for skin instead of whatever they used to (latex?).

Googled it, and apparently it's still latex, it's just a much better latex. So much for that article a decade back that told me silicone was The Way of the Future (TM).

What if Raunip is from a piece of the Urseks planet sent to test them

Reading the Creation Myths, the Urskek definitely did something to Aughra to change her mind so drastically right? Or was she always going to be like that?

They massively widened her perspective, which IIRC caused her to become a little distant from earthly things.

MEDDLERS! USURPERS! CAST OUT BY THEIR OWN KIND, EXILED FROM THEIR OWN WORLD AND NOW THEY WANT TO CLAIM THRA AS THEIR OWN, WHO’S WITH ME IN TAKING BACK WHAT IS RIGHTFULLY OURS FROM THE URSKEK?

But I'm le tired

I could see the Archer being the other half of the Heretic since they're both out of step with their kind.

Archer is the other half of the Hunter. He's also from the recent novels.

What are they like?

I thought I'd seen a similar design to this guy before, looks like they're using some designs that didn't make it into the original movie.

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I hope Dark Crystal threads are this comfy when the show comes out

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Bumping for THRA

Bigger version of this.

Is it just me, or does he look kind of sad?

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Interesting to note that Aughra doesn't have her "third eye" at this stage, but the trailer shows a shot of it glowing, so presumably she gets it during the movie.

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>watch Dark Crystal for the first time a few weeks ago
>"Whatever this shit ain't that creepy"
>Skeksis tear Chamberlain's clothes off as he screams bloody murder

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Maybe an oversite since it looks like she already lost her eye

If you had a big ass nail jutting out of your head you'd be sad too
Fun fact! Those robes are holding together what's left of their decrepit, decaying bodies. So it's like their numerous medical stitches all holding them together are being torn apart.

It looks like he's trepanated himself. Some kind of attempt to improve himself spiritually?

Unless of course it was a punishment from the others.

>Jason Isaacs and Mark Hamill as Skeksis
Yep, just like the original, the birdbois will be the best part of the show.

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True hero of the film coming through.

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>prequel
I wonder if any of the main characters will turn out to be Jen or Kira's parents,
at least if they go with the "watching the protagonists get picked off" route.

The movie had that flashback showing
Kira's mom hiding her & then getting grabbed by one of those big lobster things.

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Rian looks a lot like Jen, but that could just be them coming from the same tribe. All the tribes look different.

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I mean, look at this Jack Sparrow-looking motherfucker.

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Or this guy with fancy markings.

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Or this Eastern-looking one.

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Or this little cutie.

All very different.

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Actually looking again I'm going to guess these two are from the same tribe. Red hair, similar skin, blue clothing. Plus nice hats.

The Gelfling cast isn't a slouch either, there's big names there. But I didn't even bother listing them because the Top Skeks will clearly be the best part.
I'm surprised THIS of all properties is what Netflix is going for to target that GoT market, especially since it wasn't nearly as beloved as Labyrinth. Not that I'm complaining at all, the world and lore is fucking rad. But still an odd choice nonetheless.
I hope they go the Halo Reach route and end things on an utterly bleak note, but with a twinge of hope shining through.

There's a centuries long gap between this show and the movie. Like this is the Gelfling Civilization that built the prophecy wall.

The manga is closer to the final Gelfling purge.

youtu.be/Jyl-p-llPiU

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>end things on an utterly bleak note,
>but with a twinge of hope shining through.
-romance arc
-pregnancy arc
-baby gets hidden
-slow-mo of claw closing on gelf-mom
-shot of baby alone
-podlings/mystics find baby
-roll credits over baby being carried into woods/home/etc

I can see it.

>centuries long gap between this show and the movie
Can you link me to the promo material for that? Also, how long to Gelflings live?

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The Skeksis not being decrepit and actually fighting shows the prequel will take place Avery long time before the first movie

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I know sid the science kid is a big one for them.

Imagine being a cgi artist in ILM and having to model THAT.

I cant tell if thats an ugly mystic or a fat skeksis.

Parts of it will.
Since it's 10 episodes, we might see later parts of the war and the Skeksis running out of essence to feed on.
The gap between Jen & Kira's infancy and coming of age might have been enough time for the Skeksis to weaken even further.

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>like probably using a very modern silicone mix for skin instead of whatever they used to (latex?).

Foam and prayers, mostly foam.

Yes, I looked it up, they still use foam latex on top of the animatronics.

Actually, what are the chances anyone on the production team reads Yea Forums?

>Lets fight the evil wizards who have an army of giant crab monsters at their beck and call.

Yeah, you take point on that chief. We'll be right behind you by a few miles.

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I think they already said they're hoping for multiple seasons.

>Aggressive defrocking

I think chewie needs an eyepatch now.
Puniahed furballs, yo!

Shame that these sub species of gelfling will die hard... except for dog pirate. His extinction means future gelfs will never know the curse of dog face.

I'm guessing this guy comes from a proud lkne of irritable warriors.

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Well, if you look at them from the side they all have prognathous jaws. It's a Gelfling trait. Makes them look kind of equine, I've always thought, along with their ears.

Reminds me of the card guards from Labyrinth

>Didn't even know Skeksis had four arms like the uRu
>might get to see them in use
>maybe even in sick combat scenes
My dick HARD

I do wonder how the combat scenes will look like. I'm hoping they have some oomph to them, most action scenes with puppets in things feel kinda weak because the limbs don't look like they carry a lot of weight on screen.

I've always wanted to watch this movie. Can I find it on the internet for free? Does it hold up?

>Can I find it on the internet for free? Does it hold up?
yes and yes

Fuck it, might watch it tonight or something. I've been very curious about finally getting into it, since the Netflix show is coming in just a couple of months and there's that SRPG game coming too.

>does it hold up
I don't really like this term unless the product in question is really being sold on its visuals being bleeding edge

I think the general opinion is it's not a masterpiece of film, that it may indeed be considered a bit boring, but the world and character puppets are interesting enough to be remembered

>Does it hold up?
Entirely subjective
I watched it the other night and still loved it, so if you like that pulpy high-scif/high-fantasy feel youll probably agree with me

Otherwise it can be a bit boring for people not already into that, basically what said

>I'm mad the game looks to be a generic Fire Emblem clone
I'm mad that you're a stupid shithead that can't be fucked to take the two minutes to download Kega Fusion and prove yourself wrong before putting your foot in your fucking mouth.

>I'm mad the game looks to be a generic Fire Emblem clone
Looks more like a generic SRPG in the vein of FFT than FE. Still looks like a lot of fun though.

The game looks like it'll be fine, I just wish it was a genre more suited to exploration and immersion in such an interesting world like Thra. That's my main issue really. Aside from that it looks like it'll be alright.

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she also doesn't gave her giant tits with nipples anymore

I was thinking a Zelda clone would work better, especially given the era the original is linked to.

I'm a big muppet fan, but I finally saw this last year and was pretty disappointed. The puppetry was amazing, but the story is incredibly basic. None of the characters ever have anything interesting to say. The main characters (gelflings) are unpleasant looking and completely predictable. The villains are the only characters with any real personality. Every plot point happens exactly as you expect it to. You'll have the entire plot figured out within the first 5 minutes. I hear people talking about the "world building", but honestly, there's nothing terribly original or imaginative about the setting. (Outside of the creature designs, some of them are pretty wild.)

Overall I enjoyed the movie for the visuals, but thought the plot was dumb and probably wouldn't watch it again. I saw it with my family- who don't appreciate puppetry as much as I do- all of them HATED it. I'd only recommend watching if you're a big fan of puppets or generic fantasy. I will say that there's a general sense of passion throughout; you can tell that the people involved really cared about this film. But passion only carries you so far if the script is boring.

She's looking more Oprah-esque by the minute. Too bad she wouldn't stoop to playing such a role nowadays.

>Be a model Skeksi
>Living best life to excess but not being good enough at anything to attract SkekSo's attention
>SkekTek wants help with some trepanation thing idea. Can't hurt; pan means something to do with food maybe?
>Wait, what's that spike fo-
>WAAUUUGHGYGHGHHHHHHH
>Suddenly realize what colossal asshole you and your colleagues are
>Try to change their ways
>Called a heretic and ostracized
>Still better off than urSu counterpart, who suddenly became an investment banker

>they made Sil look even fucking scarier
>Ung is literally going to be Wong

I am the hype.

Satanigga, it's a fucking Netflix original with the word "resist" in the fucking title. You know as well as I do that it's going to be some woke shit equating the Skesis to Republicans or some shit. I wonder if they're going to go as far as introduce black Gelflings into the mix. Hell, I'd even double down on that and be willing to bet you that the head Skesis will have a weird blonde tuft of hair because Netflix.

Kill yourself

>108378243

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>they got the nerd fighting

I fucking love this shit
Even the giga nerdest, librarian looking Skeksis has a sick helmet, armor, and sword

>When the nice guy's mad, the world shivers

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I just read this is going to have Andy Samberg and Key in it as Skeksis.

youtube.com/watch?v=4jwxG54RS08

...

Oh shit, this is Hamill's character! Rad.

The Scientist was supposedly the weakest physically of his kind but still stronger than almost any Gelfling even after the rot had set in.

So even a low-end Skeksi is going to be a beast in a fight in this setting.

SkekZok had a very distinctive voice. I hope Key doesn't fuck it up.

That's not the Scientist. He's the one with the artificial eye.

Maybe you'd see him lose it in the course of the show?

The Scientist is on the left, the Scroll Keeper (who is in ) is on the right.

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He got his shit kicked by small animals, user.

>Literally the librarian
SkekKek

Very well then. Still looking forward to Hamill anyway. If he does appear in combat I hope he uses cool magitek shit.

Mark Strong and Cersei are going to be gelflings.

Why was she such a flaming BITCH?

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Aside from small blows like that pic and Jen in the movie, has anyone used a crystal shard as a legitimate weapon?

He tripped and fell like an idiot. The guy didn't even start fighting them until right before that but kept trying to order them back into their cages.

Only one shard of the real Dark Crystal has ever been around, and it spent the better part of a millennium in a box.

Oh my God, inanimate objects moving.

>only one Podling character

Bahahahaaa!

made a short clip of the gelfling fluting, and with audio:

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I suppose they're not very easy to understand are they

What ever happened to this?

deadline.com/2016/12/top-puppet-nbc-the-voice-producers-muppet-creators-craig-ferguson-puppeteering-competition-special-1201867767/

Probably not very high. Yea Forums does have a lot of industry insiders compared to other boards, yes. But as far as any of them being puppeteers, I highly doubt it.

@Chasetriton
on December 10, 2016 11:08 pm
>Yawn! People don’t f-ing want to see the dated, unwanted concept of Muppets outside of Sesame Street. Think about it– Muppets Tonight! bombed on ABC’s TGIF in the mid-’90s. Last year, ABC attempted a still-born Muppets faux-documentary that landed like a lead balloon! Since 1989, *every* Muppet movie has either bombed or just broke even w/ exception to 2011 version w/ that doughy Jason Segel (HIMYM). Stop cramming damn puppets down our throats. Also, The Voice has been an utter failure!!!! Since it debuted, it has yet to make *anyone* a star. So it’s just a season-long popularity contest… a America’s Got Talent, only painfully stretched out over 4-5 months!

Chasetriton sounds like he has a hand up his ass.

What's your favorite puppet, Yea Forums? Do you have one in mind that's aesthetically pleasing to stare at?

the Dog from the Storyteller

youtube.com/watch?v=R97cuV2ovdA

So where did the giant crab monsters come from? Where they just a species they enslaved?

The skeksis built them.

Tie between Cookie Monster and the Skeksis

Crystal shenanigans, apparently, like the crystal bats. Both show up in The Power of the Dark Crystal oddly enough used by Jen and the Gelflings, leading to one of the moments where Jen starts to question the validity of his own actions and worries he's become too much like the Skeksis, even if outwardly their cause seems good. It helps that Jen and Kira have aged, albeit at a slower rate, and by the time the comics take place they've repeatedly been in a kind of sleeping stasis until need demands they awaken to guide Thra. When the Crystal is broken and then reborn at the end of the story Jen and Kira are restored to their youth but decide that it is now their time to follow the UrSkeks into the Crystal and allow others to seek a new path, since they feel they screwed up in a number of ways.

>No Frank Oz
Truly he is the Alan Moore of puppetry.

Didn't Power have the stupid ending where they clogged up the openings tot he Crystal so it couldn't recharge?

Need fanart of sexymode Aughra, looking like a Dranei. I know she looked like that when she was born but heck, a sexy three eyed woman with horns would be a nice art piece

Yeah, the ending is that the Gelfling rulers, especially the Chamberlain-lite Gelfling running things while Jen and Kira were asleep, created this huge religion around the Crystal demanding tribute and denying the poor or outcast access to the healing light of the Crystal. Turns out the swag was blocking the thermal vents that were feeding the Crystal (the big ol' lava vent the Skeksis liked to dangle it over) which was actually killing all of Thra and making people sick. So basically it was a clunky parable against greed. They fucked things up so bad the heavens had to actually align early to kickstart a new Great Conjunction.

What did DirecTV mean by this?
youtube.com/watch?v=noFdLFMvh3Y

From Aughra's reaction and the panel with the Mystic immediately after it, I thought the idea was that the urSu actually summoned the Conjunction.

I had no idea this was a deleted scene - I've had the movie on DVD for around 10 years and have watched it many times, and this scene is included in that version.

Also, I've seen the workprint. It was on YouTube years ago, black and white with VHS fuzz all over it. I really wish I had downloaded it because it was a really interesting artefact.

Possible. They were singing at the time, pissing off the Skeksis, although frankly it's just as likely that the Crystal or baffling invisible hand of destiny/fate did the deed. I wasn't a fan of the prophecy in the story since it was too easy to guess the outcome way too early in the story, while at the same time it should have been maddeningly easy for Aughra to figure it out since she knows the damn Prophecies aren't to be taken literally. Granted it is in character that however wise she is not knowing what the heck a prophecy is asking has happened to her before.

Getting BBQ'd by the crystal takes a toll.

youtube.com/watch?v=f0sOOouBn1s

I'll be really disappointed of this winds up sucking. Is there a solid date yet?

30th of August

Jim Henson was anti-violence, at least as it pertained to his puppetry. He was pretty outspoken about his distaste for it in the first TMNT movie.

They could ratchet up the action but I kind of feel like it wouldn't be in the Henson spirit.

We literally see a swordfight going on in the trailer. And besides, even in the original movie, garthim were killing landstriders and fucking people's shit up.

I spent hours looking on google images and bing, and STILL can't find any pics of the kira puppet naked.

I know they must exist somewhere out there.

You can find the Jen puppet naked real easy.

Even then, not a full look at it.

>user wants to jack off to the naked girl of which there are no pics of
>YEAH BUT YOU CAN JACK OFF THE NAKED GUY OF WHICH THERE ARE PICS OF
What did you mean by this?

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To be fair, Jen is pretty girly too.

I guess maybe it's the celebration of violence, or solving problems with violence. The Gelflings didn't hurt anyone to save Thra.

Unless user is bi I doubt that will make him want to wank to Jen more

That sucks, the first TMNT movie was as good as it gets and featured best Splinter.

Not too far away. Certainly long enough to read all the comics I've been putting off.

What order should I read the comics or any other supplementary material in?

weird to think that the return to the srpg genre will be spearheaded by dark crystal of all things

The World of the Dark Crystal implies that they're some kind of evil Tulpa made physical via the power of the Crystal, and that it's dangerous to even show a drawing of one lest it summon one into being (so they limit themselves to one). The Skeksis based their design on water creatures from the UrSkeks' homeworld.

I HATE YOUR WHIMPER

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Dark Crystal should go first if you haven't seen it
The Dark Crystal: Creation Myths, prequel graphic novel, tells the origins of the the world and so on
The Power of the Dark Crystal sequel set after the movie, originally the script for the sequel film
Beneath the Dark Crystal, sequel of The Power

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>muh good vs. evil is so boring
That's a real fast way to tell that you're dealing with somebody who severely overestimates their own intelligence.

There is also an old Marvel/Epic comic that covered the original movie. Pretty nice art work.

Thanks a billion, super excited to read up before the series! I'm OP so I only just watched it a few days ago, but I really fell in love with the film and its world. All this lore talk in the thread made sure of that too. I hope I see you wonderful people again when the show drops!

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glad you liked it, hopefully the series is well received and maybe, just maybe, we'll finally get the sequel as a movie

HNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

I'm sure the Jen puppet didn't have a sculpted penis. Could just pretend it was a girl

QUIET!!!!!

Every fucking day. Every single fucking day. This little faggot just sits there and gives me this stupid fucking look on his face.

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>this fabulous prick is crazy enough to terrify the other skeksis into submission
I hope he lives up to expectations. He's voiced by Jason Isaacs so that's a good start

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He cowed them with his constant awkward O-Face'ing

They haven't shown the Garthim Master yet. Wonder if he's going to be one of the lesser skeksis who goes up in rank after his superior bites it.

I could have sworn SkekUng was referred to as the General as well as the Garthim Master once or twice in some older media, so this could either be a younger take on him (note the garthim-looking armor plating) or the guy he takes over from.

This character will be voiced by Benedict Wong.

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kind of looks like him, but the hunter looks more like SkekUng, especially the unmasked funko toy (to be fair funko toys are complete shit quality. I'm hoping Mcfarlane picks up the license and makes a set of Skeksis)

Interesting. Is the Hunter ever given a proper name in the novels? Maybe they're working on a long-term bait-and-switch?

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Here are a couple more pictures of SkekUng for comparison.

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Their faces are different. Even when he got old, Ung never had that nasty warty underchin. Also his beak and teeth seem to have changed. Very weird.

Less of an overbite too
Now I’ll accept a switcheroo like where he is the Hunter before the General/Garthim master as my headcanon until it arrives

I'm not so optimistic, if only because the Hunter's a named character already (I think his name is Mal).

Watch the scene where he dies. His last breath is an ahegao noise.

Snap I didn't realise this was based on the series.

Okay, according to this (spoilers?):

darkcrystal.com/pdfs/dc_GelflingGathering.pdf

... the General's name is SkekVar, and the Garthim Master is currently unknown to Rian, who will be the one to discover the Skeksis' evil deeds.

That would explain Ung’s duale titles if he took on Var’s after his death

That just means Ung will come in like a fucking wrecking ball at the end of the series, laughing at the thought of using weak gelfling soldiers in place of MY DEADLY GARTHIM!!!

Yes, in fact it feels like they're keeping his reveal as a surprise. He's very notably not on the cast list or in the released images.

The Slave Master and the Treasurer and all the other Mystics are also missing.

I suspect that when it comes to the Mystics/urRu the Archer will be the first encountered, as it sounds like he ranges far from the valley doing some kind of zen archery stuff.

Maybe they're hoping to introduce more in a Season 2?

Look at the voice cast. Netflix would literally be flushing money down the shitter if they don't talk.

But will any puppets say the f-word?

So this guy is Simin Pegg?

Here's some more press shots.

Like this guy.

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You can tell this is a game of thrones actress because she's one handing an ax.

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Yeah. He sounded pretty good in the trailer.

This is Rian, up here

Sometimes it gets confusing when you can make posts faster than deleting them.

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And Deet, which sounds more and more like a farscape character.

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Scroll Keeper. Longest Beak in Thra.

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>Ornamentalist

I know nothing about this character. Maybe he's magic maybe he isn't. Thinking about it I don't really know much about magic in the dark crystal. Like, what is magic and what is crystal beam stuff.

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He's just the girliest-acting of the skeksis. And the sun-beam stuff is a ritual meant to replenish youth.

This is Hup. He is either a podling or a gelf with very bad allegies.

I will bet cash money Hup dies first episode. Screenshot this.

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Okay, so what about Jen and Kira's telepathy?

I love the differences between the three main heroes.

Rian: Castle guard, probably woodlander, the do-er of the group (to contrast the very passive Jen).
Brea: A Vapra tribe gelfling, appears to be some kind of scholar going by this picture. Possibly leads the others to Aughra?
Deet: Grottan gelfling, a secretive cave-dweller, the pictures showing her give her a kind of "fish out of water" look and I'm guessing she'll be the one that things get explained to.

The Ornamentalist is the most effeminate, he's the one that responds to Aughra's cursing with "Oh, how crude!"

Meanwhile if and The World of the Dark Crystal are anything to go by the Skeksis power most of their stuff from the Dark Crystal, including empowering their magical workings.

He's also notably voiced by his puppeteer. I think he's going to be the comedy relief character.

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That's Dreamfasting, all Gelfling can do it. They share memories.

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podling

>The butt puppet.

Welp, there goes another bit of my sanity.

>When a motherfucker needs two pairs of glasses to see the level of asswhoopin' he's about to give you.

Long muzzles - gives them an animalish look.

Interesting that even after being banished garthim obeyed the Chamberlain when he stopped one from pursuing jen and kira

I wonder if their workings will be explored more

Yes, that's what "prognathous" means when applied to upper and lower jaws, pretty much, at least in the context of humanoid skulls.

Probably a safety feature. That way no one Skeksis can use one to kill the emperor or some such.
If you read the novel you can see that the Chamberlain was actually second in line for the throne, so he was probably important enough to be put on the "Do not kill and obey his orders" list.

That’s funny, you’d think everyone on an equal or greater footing would hate his guts as much as SkekUng

Stop whining you fucking bitch

based and fizzgig pilled

Everything was suppose to be creepy. Also the Gelflings we saw were the least creepiest version.

Also there's TokyoPop's Legends of the Dark Crystal manga prequel about the Gelflings' early efforts to fight the Garthim after a shepherd discovers a weakness.

Apparently there was an original cut that none of the Mystics or Skeksis spoke English, and all their scenes were just animal noises and context clues, with only Gelfling roles in English (maybe Ogra).

Tests screenings didn't go well so they dubbed over the mystic/Skeksis scenes.

I can't blame then for not wanting to stand one their knees and have 2 extra people piles inside a suit behind them while they work the feet of some horrible bird monster.

The Chamberlain was actually pretty good at keeping them in line because of his position. He was the guy who controlled the funding, the resources, the allocation of various things here and there.
He keep the Ornamentalist happy with the various fabrics and drugs that slaaneshi prick wanted for example.
The only "real" contender for the throne other than him would have been the Ritual Master, the based Stone Breaker was, politically speaking, the underdog of that fight.
The only reason the Ritual Master didn't challenge him is because he got as strong as he did politically by being the power behind the throne and he figured he just do that again until the Garthim Master fucked up and then take over.

The Dark Crystal novel revealed a lot of fucking subtext when it came to shit like this.

Hey it's the badguys from Doctor Strange.

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The amount of black and the kinda leather straps on the arms make me.think of this guy.

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This looks like a person with a very sarcastic attitude.

This dude was on his fucking deathbed and the others were still fucking terrified of him. I hope we see him do some truly heinous and nefarious shit.

Hey remember that monster you were always scared of because you saw him get symbolically raped and your kid mind actually got a sense of what was going on?

Well now he's gonna rape you.

Wasn't it canned before it was done?

I always imagined he's be horrifying as fuck, considering the other Skeksis were terrified of him even as he was about to die, and in their culture when you're weak you're already out the door.

Yes and no. There were originally plans for three volumes, but they ended up just condensing the third one's story into the second volume.

>stand on their knees
That's not how Jim Hansen's puppetry worked. Raised floors were common on sets.

And then there was the cut funeral scene which the lore book says featured little elements like the casket they carried his remains in basically being a warded containment unit lest he strike them down from beyond the grave.

And then they collectively burned his ass... after the high priest stole his ring. What a bunch of upstanding evil bird people.

KNEEEEEEEEEL
BOOOOOOOOW

The more I look at it the more he does look like a skeksis.

Huh, not sure I actually ever found the second one, at least scanned. And only the first one got published in my country.

If they do a sequel they could bring the emperor's spirit back as a dark force and plague ruining the land, so they have to find a way to reunite him with his UrRu counterpart. Maybe have a quest where they have to reunite the fallen skeksis and UrRu since death would keep them separate ghosts trapped in a purgatory state

It interesting to see how they developed their own culture and leadership and just went with it for a thousand years after coming into existence as a pack of assholes, I mean they’re literally the evil side of space aliens so it’s an interesting concept to see how they developed

Now, see, THAT would actually make sense. Way more than Power of the Dark Crystal, anyway. It'd be a good extension of the first one, too. You even see a scene in The Dark Crystal that implies that urSu the master has remained separate after death because his fellow Mystics have a ceremony to send his most useful belongings to him in the afterlife, and I'm pretty sure one of them was even his urRu coat.

>"I was sent by my master, the wisest of the Mystics"
>"Where is he?"
>"He's dead"
>"Could be anywhere then"

Always loved the line where Aughra asks if the Mystic is there with Jen and he tells her that he's dead.

Continues looking around wildly - "Could be anywhere then."

Reminds me of her cut line about everyone going up in smoke during the next Conjunction.

"Might not be so bad, being smoke. Float around, see the world!"

>Mystic decides to visit the planet of awesome beach parties
>Young Skekso spirit form is already there surrounded by babes
>Skekso starts arguing with his mystic counterpart, tries to tackle him, then accidentally merges their spirits into one
>the cataclysm glasses the planet

so what would have happened if Jen failed to restore the crystal?
Would the planet explode or something, or would the Skeksis just become immortal god emperors and enslave the world?

Yeah they’re definitely hacks who see their dads legacy as a gold mine, didn’t they seriously fuck over Kermit’s VA just to suck off the mouse for $$?

The skeksis certainly thought they would live forever. Maybe it'll be explained in the new series.

I loved how Aughra really didn't fucking give a shit at ALL in the movie. The crystal shard to save all of Thra? Yeah it's in a box with a whole bunch of other random crystals I found, I don't even know which one it is. I've been kidnapped by the Skeksis who could harm me anytime they wanted? Fuck that, I'll just curse them out for God knows how long. What a madlass.

The Skeksis thought the supercharged Crystal would give them immortality and they'd rule forever. I seem to recall that Aughra confirmed that as the case at one point, but as for everyone else, as she said "End, begin, all the same - BIG CHANGE. Sometimes good, sometimes bad."

Basically life would be renewed, some serious shit would go down, things would change, and the people of Thra would just have to live with it and adapt. I got the impression that the Great Conjunctions are like expansion packs for Thra's version of Creation: a new race might appear, the biomes might flip to their opposites, the world doubles in size, everyone gains the power of flight, the trees sprout candy - anything could happen.

The lore book says that the Great Conjunction at the end of the film is like a Mega Conjunction, as one thousand years of power that had been dammed up inside the crystal due to it being broken came out all at once as soon as Jen healed it and the combined sunlight struck it. It basically remade the world entirely, even to the point of restoring everything the Skeksis had ruined, possibly even resurrecting the Gelfling race if the count the sequel material as acceptable.

Being a multi-millennia old avatar of the world itself will do that to you.

maybe if the skeksis won the world would become all skeksi like. Decrepit, vicious, broken and hateful. Sort of like filtering the life light of the crystal through a lense of evil skeksi madness. All ruled over by the new godlike Skeksi

The tieflings were creepy to be honest

Excuse me, I meant gelflings

Fizzgig is based

I like how the skeksis can be both terrifying and creepy in one scene yet pathetic and goofy in another. When they're all sitting together at the royal feast, bickering amongst each other, devouring mountains of food with little thought to manners or savouring the flavor. It makes them less like dark lords and more like inbred European royalty that's gone senile

Or when you see the Gourmand and the Ornamentalist having a little private chat in the corridor before they encounter the Chamberlain and Kira, and they're basically nattering away to each other about their favorite foods.

And then they see Kira and treat her like their personal bogeyman, running away while squealing "Gelfling! Gelfliiiinnnnng!"

AND GAMING

In the movie, you see the skeksis in their most degenerated state. I suspect the ones in the series will be more controlled, vicious, and talkative, but woe be unto netflix if they make them lose their quirky muppet edge. I saw a dining scene in the trailer, so hopefully we get more fun moments like that.

Idea: His robes look like an attempt to simulate UrSkek robes. Maybe the trepanation had the unexpected effect of linking him directly to his Mystic counterpart mentally on top of the existing spiritual connection, and now they're an UrSkek in all but physical form, occupying and constrained by two physical bodies?

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The Dark Crystal twitter dropped 3 instagrams of the Gelfling clans. They have some details about each clan and some synopses in the post captions.
instagram.com/grottanclan/
instagram.com/stonewoodclan/
instagram.com/vapraclan/

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just saw that cut, and yeah honestly it was weird

It's gonna be weird watching a series where you know that almost all the main characters will be killed.

That's why you treat the skeksis as main characters. They only get killed later.

So what pushes Rian to join the resistance?

What are the odds Raunip is in the series?

I just hope everyone who knows or learns about what happened shits on him mercilessly.

Considering they mention in the film how essence draining worked better with Gelflings, I think he probably stumbles upon the scientist doing some fuckery with the reflector and a fellow Gelfling.

Why? It was the uRsek that couldn’t handle the banter and still had darkness in it.

0.

At the end of the creation myth comics it's revealed that he spent the majority of his life trying to get Thra back on track while his mother focused on repairing the shard. Their last conversation was him telling her that as much as he loved her there were people that needed him more and she raised him too well to just leave them. The entire creation myth comic is his last story before he gives up the ghost and finally dies.

According to he not only discovers the scientist doing crazy shit, he in fact discovers that the crystal has long been cracked and that the Skeksis have been covering it up.

It's going to be very interesting, I think. confirms (not that it's needed) that it takes place when the Skeksis were still presenting themselves as benevolent rulers, and Rian starts out working directly for them under his dad, the Captain of the Guard (pic related). This means we're probably going to get a lot of the Skeksis at least pretending to be friendly, quite likely via the Chamberlain a lot of the time, right up until the shit hits the fan and they can hide their true natures no longer. The little lore snippet from before also says the Skeksis propagandized the Mystics as being scary monsters, so the introduction of the Archer should be fun to watch.

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Man this is getting me hype

10/10, read it last night, would've loved to see this animated

any good fanart?

Apparently the thing at the bottom here is some kind of ARG cypher and hasn't been decoded yet. Thoughts?

It looks like Skeksis script to me, like the symbols around the Crystal in the movie.

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I wonder if they'll have the balls to give her a funny accent.

That's a he, actually.

This is his voice actor: youtube.com/watch?v=mUVCHxwOYbM

I predict confusion.

sounds like a cool idea. would make for an interesting episode if they focused on how that experience affects both sides of this/these character(s)

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Kek.

Needs the text to be perfect, though.

Do we know who the Heretic's opposite is?

The lore is surprisingly neat even though presentation could be a bit confusing, but part of that confusuin was me being distracted because the puppetry unsettles me, i still think it is impressive so don't get me wrong and feel kinda bad that im being creeped out when there is so much effort and SOUL put into it.

It is definitely a must watch and i was fucking amazed no one ever recommended it to me before the Netflix series was announced considering how interesting it is even on just a purely technical level, shit actually looks like it is way newer then it actually is so it aged gracefully as hell.

Awful lot of puppet fuckers lurking ITT.

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Wanting to fuck Puppets is honestly kinda smalltime compared to shit like Tiles and States honestly. I mean, im more creeped out by Kira personally, but as said, Tiles and States.

watching the skeksis emperor die scarred my childhood. But now I always enjoy stories that start with what would normally be the main villain dying at the start and showing what happens from there. Also I like really old decrepit villains clinging to life.

Whois best Skeksi?

The General
Also I've saved this for posterity in future Dark Crystal threads

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I'm trying to work out what his name is and who he used to be. There were canonically only 18 urSkeks, and two of them died immediately after the Division. The official list from the Dark Crystal website is:

skekSo the Emperor
skekZok the Ritual-Master
skekUng the Garthim-Master
skekSil the Chamberlain
skekTek the Scientist
skekAyuk the Gourmand
skekNa the Slave-Master
skekShod the Treasurer
skekOk the Scroll-Keeper
skekEkt the Ornamentalist
skekMal the Hunter
skekVar the General
skekLach the Collector
skekGra the Conquerer
skekLi the Satirist
skekSa the Mariner
skekHak
skekYi

The last two are the ones who didn't last long enough to get a role.

I'd say he's one of skekGra, skekLi, or skekSa. I think the most likely would probably be either the Conqueror, repentant, or the Satirist, whose continual criticism of the other Skeksis eventually evolved into taking a critical look at his entire species.

Meanwhile the official list of urRu are:

urSu the Master
urSol the Chanter
urIm the Healer
urZah the Ritual Guardian
urTih the Alchemist
urYod the Numerologist
urAc the Scribe
urNol the Herbalist
urAmaj the Cook
urUtt the Weaver
urSen the Monk
urVa the Archer
urMa the Peacemaker
urGoh the Wanderer
urLii the Storyteller
urHom the Carpenter
urSan the Swimmer
urYa

urHom and urYa are the urRu that were killed immediately after the Division.

The Monk's counterpart is the Collector, the Archer's counterpart is the Hunter, the Peacemaker's counterpart is the General. Those are accounted for.

The Storyteller's counterpart is the Satirist, the Wanderer's counterpart is the Conqueror, and the Swimmer's counterpart is the Mariner, so I'm going to say it's one of them, most likely the Storyteller or the Wanderer.

I wonder if they'll make Skeksis as cowardly as they were in OG Dark Crystal.
I mean those guys were practically cowering at a Gelfling getting to close to them, even though they were so much more powerful.

To be fair, that was mostly the Ornamentalist (their specialist in pretty things) and the Gourmand (their chef), arguably the two silliest and least-scary Skeksis. The others were all "We should kill it!" or "Nah, we should drain it, THEN kill it!"

I always found it kind of sad/weird that all the 'politics' took place between at their height, about two dozen perhaps Skeksis. By the time of the movie, there was what, less than a dozen and they still were dicking around like that.
"I control the gold! But have nothing to buy."

The novel pointed out that the Skeksis had no spirit/soul because(IMO implied) it was the Uru that had the soul, that is perhaps why they got so fugly and rotted.

Not just that but they'd thought for years all of the Gelflings were long dead.

I figure that they would be restored for a while but then wither again after a couple hundred years like before, cue a thousand years later and there would be like...four left.

I think that's the idea, really. They're inherently self-destructive and disordered creatures. It's pointed out in the background material that the Haahskeekah stone (from the Trial by Stone) is the remnant of an attempt to make a crystal more powerful than the Dark Crystal, and that it's a blessing that they were disorganized and unable to work together for extended projects, because otherwise they might have succeeded.

The lore book had it that the soul was shared between the two. It's kind of ambiguous. It's also entirely possible that the Skeksis weren't aware of the no-souls thing (in fact I think this is in the novel) and were simply taking no chances regarding unpleasant visitations from beyond the grave.

Some of the material just says they would have lived forever, some of it says it would have given them an extra nine-hundred-and-ninety-nine-trine-and-one-trine, after which they'd presumably have done it again.

Apparently these two, Naia and Kylan, are from the recent books, so not only are the books canon, but they tie directly into the Netflix series. They don't seem to be main characters, though, so I'm going to assume they turn up part way through, make reference to their own book storylines, and then either stick around or pass through.

Naia is female, by the way, so Gelfling gender confusion has gone both ways in this thread.

Patrician taste and Well done that man.

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There's nothing wrong with low budget puppetry. Not every production needs to have million dollar set pieces. Big budget means nothing if you lack story telling skills.

Another case of 2D not translating well into 3D.

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I'd say her Netflix version is based more off the second picture than the first, going by the clothing and hair. Was the second one a Froud drawing? Kind of looks like it, and he's the one doing the designs for the series.

Yeah, Froud did the book cover.

I want the Gelflings to SKRAW
And stay SKRAW

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>>Man I am tired of this motherfucker's whimpering like you wouldn't believe homie

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Andy Samberg playing the only good Skeksis is one of the best ideas ever. How is his counterpart going to be? A greedy Mystic that acts like the rest of the Skeksis?

Here's the Collector's VA

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This one actually orders the beheading of the actress of this and blows up this in Game of Thrones.

It makes me uncomfortable how humanlike the urskek are

The one with the super deep voice. I think he was the one that slices kira open

What's important for the prequel to nail down is that it needs to scare the shit out of a new generation of kids

Crazy theory: They're what humanity evolves into.

They're from another planet, and notice that they're the only creatures in the film with five digits.

>Everything was suppose to be creepy
>Also the Gelflings we saw were the least creepiest version.
[citation needed]

>here's nothing wrong with low budget puppetry. Not every production needs to have million dollar set pieces.

Except for all those beautiful concept art pieces of the gelflings that get translated into stiff, robotic and creepy uncanny valley puppets
like this

>>two pairs of glasses
and a monocle! Dude has 5 lenses! And is that a Trial-By-Stone sword?

My potential favorite is Na the Slave Master because I feel like they could do a lot of cool fun shit with his character, but my true bae is the Chad Garthim Master and Emperor, Ung.

They all seem to wield those, it seems the Trial uses regular combat swords or the Skeksis don’t make a distinction between ceremonial and combat arms

I bet she told the puppet team to make her character as ugly as possible, just so she can go crazy and have fun with it.

The General must have been REALLY fucking pissed if he got the trial stone to break after centuries of it holding up after many uses

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I do wish they had retained some of that Tetsuya Nomura-ass costume design from the manga version.

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In the original write of the script, the Ritual Master breaks the stone by making a laser beam with his sword.

>Centuries of HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
Damn right he was pissed

He must have been the giddiest person on Thra when he finally banished Chamberlain, imagine having to live with that shit for CENTURIES, and you can't even do anything about it.

I've been getting back into the muppets now that I can appreciate the behind the scenes stuff more, I don't know if I ever saw Dark Crystal
knowing Henson wanted to make it for so long intrigues me

that's significantly less cool

The TRIAL BY STOOOOONE scene is probably my favorite in the entire movie because it tells you so much about the culture of the skeksis and the way they settle disputes. That their challenges are based on shows of strength rather than actual combat, which makes sense for a race that was never more than 20 strong

You can pick up with no direct exposition thatt the skeksis intimidate each other into compliance by seeing who can hit a big rock hardest while screaming like autists with the simple visuals of the chipped up stone and swords. And when SkekUng just fucking tard-rage strength mode's out and fucking chops the bitch into pieces, it's plain that he's gone above and beyond when the entire crowd falls into stunned silence and the Chamberlain drops his sword in sheer shock

My absolute favorite thing about this movie is how the puppetry literally adds to the depth of the film itself. The visual quirks of the Skeksis in scenes like that and others tell you so much about them. Henson and co were fucking masters of their craft.
I fucking love this movie so much.

I found it weird how the chamberlain chose trial by stone. Did he think he could outmuscle the general? Or is that the only dispute settlement system they have?

I've heard that the peripheral media has something called the trial by fire but I don't know any more than that

The simple fact that the movie has the challenged chooses implies in itself that they have others

But yeah it seems nobody expected SkekUng to just fucking break that shit in half and SkekSil's hit got a good reaction from the crowd so we can probably infer that as skeksis go he WAS reasonably strong

>You can pick up with no direct exposition thatt the skeksis intimidate each other into compliance by seeing who can hit a big rock hardest while screaming like autists with the simple visuals of the chipped up stone and swords. And when SkekUng just fucking tard-rage strength mode's out and fucking chops the bitch into pieces, it's plain that he's gone above and beyond when the entire crowd falls into stunned silence and the Chamberlain drops his sword in sheer shock
Not only that, but my interpretation of that scene has always been that SkekUng played the Chamberlain like a fiddle.

>takes his swing
>a flash of sparks and a big clang, not too shabby, but not spectacular
>in fact, the Chamberlain thinks he can beat it easily - he was right to choose this challenge, SkekUng is obviously weak, only up to taking one blow at the stone, worn out from a lifetime of feats of strength. It's obvious now why he hasn't been doing anything major lately.
>Chamberlain lines up and pours as much of his daily dose of energy into his own strike as he dares
>clang!
>not bad, maybe slightly weaker, maybe slightly stronger, he'll leave it up to the following debate of who won - if needed, he can talk the others around to supporting him, that's what he's always been good at
>wait
>WAIT
>no... what is he doing...?
>he can't be taking another swing (watch, even before SkekUng makes contact the Chamberlain is looking around as if he's saying "Are you all seeing what I'm seeing!?")
>... but he is
>in fact, he's even arranging it into a perfect geometrical movement, even though he has to strain a little nowadays to do it
>CLANG!
>BANG!
>... fuck
>THE BASTARD WAS BLUFFING
>now not only does the Chamberlain look weak, but he looks like a fool too

... and THAT is why the Chamberlain chose a feat of strength. He miscalculated, thought he could make a show of beating or at least equaling the guy who USED to be the strongest of the Skeksis, only to find out he still was.

Probably an irrational and quick to act Mystic that thinks they need to be more aggressive and willing to kill to save everyone.

and he probably kills the Heretic

Based scene breakdown user
The fact Jim and his crew added such fucking depth and character dynamics to 2 birds hitting a rock is mindblowing. I always loved Dark Crystal over Labyrinth for shit like this. They're both great of course, but TDC really was just something else.

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The whole point of the Mystics, though, is not so much that they don't act, but rather but by the fact of what they are they can't act. The Skeksis have all the will to act and the dynamism, the Mystics just occasionally help the world from the sidelines while going through half-remembered ritualistic motions as they bide their time until the prophecy completes. The Archer sticks out for this reason, which is why I suspect that he must be more martial arts zen philosopher than warrior.

There's a Kira prototype at my parents' place. I keep meaning to take pics.

I don't believe you
But if that is true you better remember to take pics when threads for the show roll around fag

Was it purchased, or did they work on the movie?

>Trial by Fire was a ceremony used by the Skeksis to settle disputes. The contenders would convene to the Castle's Fire Chamber and stand, facing each other, upon two heated slabs. Both contenders would then be handed rocks, with the winner being the one to hold the most without dropping them or falling.

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>Skeksis solve conflictss by either seeing who can hit rocks hardest or who can hold the most rocks
That's absolutely hilarious

>or who can hold the most rocks
While burning their feet

The Skeksis' entire late existence was just endlessly asserting dominance over each other for petty reasons

Imagining the alternate universe where the movie has us seeing the Trial by Fire. The stone sequence was the better option but I can picture an entirely different scene where there's slow mounting tension as the rocks pile up and the skeksis' feet begin to blister and scorch, the two staring down each other with even hotter hate/bantering and taunting

The show will probably help me remember.

I honestly don't remember if they bought it or knew a Froud.

It could be worse
you could be that kid who's parents got divorced because of Angela Anaconda

Watching the film again, and the little details are some of the best parts, like the crotchety old Podling that takes on a Garthim with his walking stick and gets pulled away by someone just as it whips around to see what's poking it. Also figured out what's going on with Jen and Kira's odd and somewhat stilted dialogue towards each other: neither of them are used to speaking Gelfling, but it's the only language they both share. Jen is used to speaking Mystic, Kira is used to Podling, to communicate they have to fumble their way through Gelfling sentences, which Kira is slightly better at (she even corrects Jen's grammar while they're dreamfasting). Can't believe I didn't spot that before.

nani

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I'd need to rewatch the film to judge that for myself, I feel like it's just more likely the dialogue was just a bit stilted in general. But if that IS true that's a super neat detail that probably redeems what many consider a flaw of the film.

i think they went with srpgs because 2d zelda clones are more and more common these days

>on rocks

Ironically, she looks like a hot gelfling.

Fucking thing of the devil, that shitshow

Fuck Gelflings, fuck Skeksis, fuck Podlings. For the love of God, someone post Patsy May already.

It fits with other things, like the previously-articulate Chamberlain suddenly talking in broken "English" when speaking to Jen and Kira because he's actually doing his best to talk to them in Gelfling, something which would have been more obvious in the pre-redub version where he would have spoken in subtitled Skeksis up to that point.

shit, I never thought of it that way

I just saw that there was a Dark Crystal fan film competition a few years ago and they're all on the Jim Henson company YouTube channel... All of them are barely comprehensible nonsense with puppetry or animation ranging from downright awful to actually not terrible. Some of them just have humans pretending to be Gelflings or even fucking Aughra in one short. The grand prize winner is probably the only one that uses any sort of lighting set-ups and actually looks fairly decent but just like all the others there's no real story, it's basically just a vehicle to have a few animal puppets interacting with each other in a forest like in that one scene from the movie.

The Jim Henson Company also had a reality TV show a few years back where they had a few young hopefuls compete to make the best puppets at short notice. There was one challenge that was to make an outcast Skeksis, with results ranging from terrible to not at all bad.

I always wondered if they were perhaps using that show to recruit for the Dark Crystal movie they were trying to get off the ground at the time.

>ranging from terrible to not at all bad
tell me more

vimeo.com/91080231

Managed to find a copy online.

Yeah I watched that too, Creature Shop Challenge. Every episode was on YouTube at one point. Shame they only made one season. My sister and I were totally hooked.

It was some good stuff, they should have made it a regular thing.

Another thread when?

There really isn't that much more to discuss about the franchise until closer to the show's release date when we get more info, pics, etc.

Is there any media out there that you feel may have been influenced by the dark crystal? Either in terms of puppetry or setting and designs?

They used the Skeksis puppets in an episode of Farscape. Drawing a blank on anything else.

Well the Halosians from Farscape are an obvious one, being made by the same company, and according to some things I've heard, being built on top of Skeksis frames.

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Why didn’t Skeksis lock up the Mystics in some dungeon for safety? A lot of nasty things can happen to a Mystic alone out there in a world full of savage Gelflings and worse.

According to the background material associated with the more recent fiction in the setting, that was the plan, or at least the Chamberlain's plan.

But the Mystics left before the Skeksis could come up with any smart ideas, concealed themselves within their valley, and then put up every powerful mystical ward they could think of to keep the Garthim and Crystal Bats away. For their part, the Skeksis told the Gelflings that the Mystics were scary monsters that stole the souls of Gelfling children, to discourage the Gelflings from looking for them.

It would be an interesting plot if any gelflings ever found out that killing a mystic would destroy the corresponding skeksis and tried to genocide them

The GILFlings

They started with caveman level intelligence when the division first happened. It took the death of two Mystics and the associated Skeksis to realize just what the connection was. By then the Mystics, rightfully realizing the Skeksis were a bunch of murderous fucks, ran out of there faster than a deadbeat dad going to the store for cigarettes.

After that happened and the rest is history.

Ice Skek best of the bunch by far

Difficult part will be not letting all the skeksis steal the show

Impossible, honestly.

Granted it is a foregone conclusion that the skeksis will "win"

Jason Isaacs better do something other than just his normal voice.

I'm concerned about this for all of them. Only Hamill has any real experience voice acting.

I'm most worried about Isaacs and Sandberg. Also, apparently Mark Strong is going to be in it.