Titans Season 2, current batch of rumors

>turning Batman and Aquaman into BAD MAN
Yes, lets shit on our most lucrative characters. Smart idea.

it's on Netflix everywhere outside the US. They market it as a Netflix Original..

That's the price of success.

She'd be in a wheelchair, all he's gotta do is knock her ass over and she'd be defeated.

Why not introduce her to her arch nemesis: STAIRS

Her existing would force writers to turn her into OTP, effectively cock-blocking Dick from having angsty, messy love triangles that is the heart and soul of "adult" TV show dramas..

>Whole point of Dick's retarded dream sequence episode is that Bruce has always refused to cross that line of killing
>Already killed a criminal, solely to protect Dick
>This is also what made Dick start hating Batman because ?????????????????????
This sounds retarded and full of plot holes, so I believe it is true.

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Then that explains how they got money for season two.

Dick hating Bruce so much was already retarded and full of plotholes. His reasons changed every so often in season one.

If OP is to be believed, Dick Grayson cannot keep it in his fucking pants. Though given Donna is insanely hot I also cannot blame him.

There were reports on release that selling the international rights completely funded the first season

You are confusing it with Star Trek Discovery, although it's probably true here too.

>Its revealed that what caused Robin to become so angry with Batman was the death of Barbara Gordon.
>When Dick and Bruce meet up, Dick tells him he will never forgive Bruce over Babs' death.
>When we meet Garth, he absolutely hates Aquaman, in one draft of a script he refers to him as 'A manipulative, gas lighting piece of shit - worse than Batman'.
>Its mentioned that Batman killed a criminal to save Dick's life, which is where the fractures in the dynamic duo started.
People actually hated this type of shit, so instead of fixing it they double down on their bullshit. Are they ever gonna learn?

I for one support the retarded Dick and Donna were fuckbuddies thing, if it means Conor Leslie gets naked again.

She has a nice rack. I'd like to post a gyfy link but Yea Forums thinks it is spam

>people hated it
They did?

>Killing Babs instead of just paralyzing her
Why?
>Aquaman is a manipulative, gas lighting piece of shit - worse than Batman
Why?
>Batman killed a criminal to save Dick's life
Why?
It's like they heard what people didn't like about season 1 and doubled down on it.

The series has so much great going for it but all this needless DARKNESS stops it from reaching the heights it could.

>A Batman and Superman who've been around for 3 decades.
Welp, Dean Cain's gotta be in his 50's as well now, if he wants to be Superman again now's the time.

>Dick Grayson cannot keep it in his fucking pants.
That part fits the most though. Dick has always been a huge fucking slut.

What's next, Conner going all "FUCK SUPERMAN"?

Just post part of the link.

>Banged Batgirl
>Banged Starfire
>Made out with Supergirl
>Dated Zatanna (YJ)
Yep, he's one lucky bastard.

Why not? It's not like comic properties ever reflect the comics.

>Brief shoutout to Swamp Thing, might get cut.
I wish they'd decide whether these DC Universe shows share the same universe or not.

>Are they ever gonna learn?
Is DC

Kon and Superman have had a difficult relationship for ages. That would probably be the least forced use of fuck whatever mentor.

lonelyillfruitfly

>Why not?
Because as I said the FUCK BATMAN DARKNESS is completely needless. I'm not saying it has to reflect the comics 100%, but making everyone act like they're out of a Zack Snyder movie and doing insane shit like killing Babs or making Batman a fucking killer AGAIN is just too far.

1. Probably have no clue what to do with her. Or they can't have access to the character.
2. Arthur is kind of an asshole at times, but this seems kinda extreme.
3.Dick probably saw Bruce break his one rule, which probably shocked and made him re-think working with Bruce if Bruce will murder people so easily.

I don't think she needs to be killed off, but Batman has been a killer in almost all his live-action appearances of the last 30 years. If this is causing a split where Dick is afraid he's becoming like that, it would be more of an acknowledgement of how wrong that is than we usually get, which is kind of weird for a show that tries so hard to look gritty.

>Made out with Supergirl.
Wait, fucking when?
Goddamn, there really is no stopping Dick 'Sexbang' Grayson is there?

>1.
Then just don't use her. Have Dick blame him for her getting paralyzed and then just never show or mention her. The killing part does nothing but ruin two characters.
>2
It's also completely superfluous given that that's already Dick and Batman's relationship in this universe. Probably Superman and Superboy as well. If people thought Superman was a Dick to Conner in YJ then oh boy.
>3.
Which is insanely fucking stupid. A core part of Batman is that he doesn't break his one rule. Why these people insist on making Batman a killer in every adaptation I have no fucking idea. Plus Dick can't really be mad at him for it anymore since he ordered dozens of people killed in cold blood in season 1.

>but Batman has been a killer in almost all his live-action appearances of the last 30 years.
Which is fucking stupid and people have always complained about, especially in recent years so you'd think WB would finally learn. You can have Dick afraid that he's turning into a brutal as fuck person like Bruce without turning either one of them into a killer. It's jusy super lazy.

People complaining about it have proven time and time again that they don't matter. No Batman movie is flopping because principled fanboys stayed away in droves. The only thing that can do that is whatever confluence of forces made B&R bomb despite it being the same campy shit as the previous movie.

Batman didnt kill anyone in Batman and Robin.

Tell that to BvS and JL.

Batman killed in Batman, Batman Returns, Batman Forever, Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, The Dark Knight Rises, and Batman v Superman.
Batman didn't kill in Batman and Robin, and Justice League.

BvS was a success.

I know. I'm simply wondering if they're going to push every "FUCK " existing into the show. Like having Roy go "FUCK GREEN ARROW" or Wally going "FUCK THE FLASH" just to complete the set, even if it doesn't make sense

Why does DC insist on going down the "dark and edgy" path. Who the fuck is running things over there? A 12 year old?

Geoff Johns, ironically enough.

Tom Welling?

>TFW you're one of the few Hawk&Dove fans and their mainstream appearance is Titans
And they were cast so well...

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He's early 40s, compare to Iain Glen who's almost fucking 60. Though ironically enough Welling did go on Rosenbaum's podcast and say he'd totally play Batman in the Arrowverse.

Cue the fan art of that.

So what about the finale of season one? Are they just going to ignore that Dick got darked by Trigon. Or that Trigon is released?

Why add that Batman has killed someone when the finale made it seem like he had not before?

This shit show mentioning Swamp Thing would be like a slap in the face considering it got shit canned yet this piece of shit CW After Dark show is still kicking.

No. Cause that would actually be in character.

If this shit is true, it sounds like TITANS can't even get it's own continuity straight, let alone that of other shows.

So in reality what people want is Batman of Murder!
They were still far more successful. B&R was an infamous bomb.

From the BTS video it seems Dick fights through the possession enough to go to Bruce. So going with this retarded revelation Trigon is loving that 'U KILLED MUH BABS' angst.

BvS was a box office success that permanently poisoned the well for future films after audiences went to see it in droves and all realized they hated what they saw.

BvS didn't do that, JL did.

JL failed in large part because of how wary audiences were after getting burned by BvS.

No, JL failed because it was a bad movie. What's your answer to Wonder Woman before it? Aquaman after it?

Both were modest successes that didn't blow minds or box offices, and both were marketed as being HEAVILY different from Snyder's vision.

>only movie ever to open above $150 mil to not make a billion
>had some of the largest drops in history
>hated by critics and audience
>made the DC brand a laughing stock
>its failure and reception literally caused WB to change all their plans for the DCEU and got the head of the universe fired
You and I clearly have very different definitions for the word success.

It was a divisive movie that was a box office success and now can be said to be a cult film.

Only because you're acting like a cultist.

>BvS didn't do that
Fucking kek. Snyderfags delusion never ceases to amaze me.

JL was marketed as being heavily different from BvS, not WW or AM.
I am not. Just posting facts.

>not WW or AM.
You're literally just lying now

It's not Snyder's fault that your average movie goer, like you average Yea Forums poster is a complete moron who doesn't understand vision.

>babs is dead
based as fuck

But it is his fault his vision was shit.

Nope. WW was marketed as being the first female-led capeshit movie and how important that was. AM was marketed as being a visual spetacle and James Wan's vehicle.
JL was the one that specifically marketed as being different from BvS.

>It was a divisive movie
No, it was a widely disliked movie by every objective measure.
>that was a box office success
Not when put in the proper context.
>now can be said to be a cult film
Only for delusional Snyder fanboys. For everyone else it remains trash and a laughing stock best forgotten.

BvS had some big name critics enjoying it.

Yes, and that's fine. But they were deeply in the minority.

>To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Snyder's vision
Imagine actually unironically believing this.

If he was allowed to make his movie unmolested it would of been a great Epic that would ravil trilogies like Lord of the Rings but people are impatient.

Hold the fuck up. You just implied that Batman vs Superman was marketed as the first female-led capeshit movie, and James Wan's visual spectacle. That is how fucked up your logic is right there.

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Maybe Arthur's the type of King who goes on and on about royal duty and shit like that to justify his actions and Garth bought into it until Arthur fucked something up or failed to live to his own "code". Like maybe Arthur was all about how the needs of the Kingdom have to come before personal issues, but then Manta killed his kid and Arthur basically proved to be a complete hypocrite that got obsessed over vengeance and tried to hunt Manta down and murder him in cold blood, costing Atlantean lives in the process.

It's easy to believe because it's true.

>Mention of Green Arrow.
Well, since Arrow IS ending...maybe it wouldn't be bad to have a new Oliver.

Man of Steel was a 5/10. His vision was flawed from square one. You don't start a "great Epic" with a turd.

Man of steel was great.

It was a divisive movie, user. Yea Forums echochamber isn't enough source. Check its scores. There's tons of crazy fans who can't stop talking about it now.
It was still a box office success, just not as big as the studios and the industry thought it would be.
The fact that there are Snyder fanboys is proof enough.
It is a divisive movie no matter how much you want it to be othewise.

>It was still a box office success, just not as big as the studios and the industry thought it would be.
Because word of mouth spread about how fiendishly bad the movie was, and there was an absolutely massive drop off in viewers from week to week.

This has to be bait.

Man of Steel is arguably the best Superman movie ever made.

>made the DC brand a laughing stock
I wouldn't go that far.

It's not a plothole dumbass. Dick's issue was Batman just killing criminals willy nilly now, going as far as murdering people in hospital beds. Justifiable homicide to protect a life is fundamentally different, but it works as a crack in their relationship after spending years telling Dick that you can never kill makes entirely sense, because it seems to betray everything Dick was taught, even if it did save his life. It works as a fracture in their relationship and maybe Dick's issue with Babs dying was that Bruce didn't do the same thing to save her life.

What? No. WW was marketed as being the first female led capeshit movie. BvS, if anything, was marketed as being an oh so smart take on capeshit oh so different from those MCU movies. Ben Affleck himself said in a press for it that the movie was too smart for himself.

It is also arguably the worst. Half of its action scenes are stellar and the other half are some of the worst in capeshit history. Its attempts at cerebral, emotional poignancy COMPLETELY fail. Its sweeping and deifying camera work is undermined by its terrible usage of color.

>arguably
Yes

>It's like they heard what people didn't like about season 1 and doubled down on it.

Those were just butthurt noh mug character fags who kept whining about the Fuck Batman.

If anons were really knowledgeble about Aquaman comics they'd know that Aquaman and Aqualad relationship are tumultuous as fuck, with literally cuckoldery and murdery going on between them.

What if I told you it is and Snyderfags love to derail and shit up any DC threads?

Admit is. Your only objection to the movie is "muh neck snap". His no kill policy needed a origin.

I understand that but I think it's just a bad direction for season 1 to be Dick going fuck batman then season 2 to possibly be Garth goong fuck aquaman.
Isn't trigon in this?

My objection to the movie is that it wants to be viewed as a masterpiece in its technical aspects (camera work, sound design, etc.) when it winds up being an amateurish piece of trash by those metrics. It's an arrogant film. It demands adoration when it hasn't earned your respect.

>Like having Roy go "FUCK GREEN ARROW"
>even if it doesn't make sense

But Roy having issues with Oliver would make total sense. Oliver is a fucking hypocritical asshole half the time and he completely failed Roy when he got hooked on smack.

I'm ok with him killing Zod, had to be done but my problem is that this was not a good foundation for a Superman cinematic franchise.

The technical aspects of this movie are oscar worthy. Seriously, WTH is wrong with you? Mavil fanboy or just being obstinate? Trolling? Come on.

It wasn't meant to be.

Man, and for a second I thought it could get better, but if anything of those leaks is true then I'm out.

>Check its scores
>27% Average Rating: 4.93/10 RT critic rating
>63% 3.54 Average Rating RT fan score
>B Cinemascore (which is a terrible rating)
>69.1% second weekend drop with zero competition
By what measure was it ""divisive"? All these objective ones show that it was thoroughly disliked.

>It was still a box office success
>Golden Age of comicbook movies
>first ever big screen meeting between Batman and Superman
>first ever big screen appearance of Wonder Woman
>first ever big screen shared DC universe
>$250 mil production budget
>at least $150 mil+ for marketing
>total budget about $400 mil
>studio gets less than half box office takings world wide
Yeah, I'm sure the studio was only a tiny bit disappointed by making less than $100 mil before auxiliaries on the movie. That's why they barely altered their plans going forward at all.

>The fact that there are Snyder fanboys is proof enough
That is quite possibly the stupidest thing I've ever heard. There are fanboys of literally everything.

It genuinely has the worst color balance of any film I'd seen that year. It loses all sense of pacing its action in the second half and everything gradually loses weight. The soundtrack is phenomenal but is used poorly outside a few key scenes, and the sfx themselves are middling in quality.

Now I wanna know what Donna's relationship with Diana's like, Dick and Garth seem to resent Bruce and Arthur, Kon and Clark will always have issues but just imagine Diana and Donna.

Then gee maybe Snyder shouldn't have been fucking surprised that his later attempts failed, because his first foray HAS to be the foundation by the basic rules of storytelling.

No, pretty much the main complaint from everyone, both hardcore, casual and critic, was the needless darkness.

>B is a terrible rating
Nah, B is a passing grade.

Superman was a box office poison way before MoS or BvS. I don't know why people use the fact that Superman and Batman being in the same movie would translate into instant success.

What's up with the molestation subplot for Hawk and Dove?

Does Geoff Johns self-insert himself into Dick Grayson or something?

I think it's an entirely decent direction for Titans to mostly be a collection of damaged sidekicks who come together as a family who try to be better than their mentors and help each other get past their personal issues.

I mean, in a sense the Titans are like the offspring of royalty, who themselves struggle with their day to day lives because they never had a normal childhood and so they from being unable to completely handle the violent world of crime fighting and their inability to settle down to a normal civilian lives due to their experiences.

With all the people calling for a Snyder cut of JL and the universal understanding of it being a cult hit, Yea Forums can't or refuses to understand Snyder's masterpiece.

Then do that and commit to that fully and not try to Half ass that and a trigon story.

Not for Cinemascore. To put it in perspective Catwoman and Batman Forever got B's.

I like MoS and BvS, but if there is a cult, it's still the Snyder/Johns version that's highly altered. It isn't the unfiltered version.

>Superman was a box office poison
Based on what? One also not very good movie in the preceding 30 years? Gee, it's almost as if people don't like bad Superman movies.

Batman Forever was a good movie, though.

>apparently there was an intense sexual relationship between Dick and Donna.
that's just wrong, man

Dick's a manslut, so that fits.
He's never been sexually connected to Donna though. Their relationships in the comics (and sort of in season 1) was more of a brother/sister.
As for Johns, he hasn't written him much. For what it is worth, he did sacrifice Superboy during Infinite Crisis instead of Dick. Didio really pushed for Nightwing dying during Infinite Crisis, and Johns knew that would end poorly. Johns did kill him for a page when he wrote Forever Evil

>all the people
A few insane fanboys that reply to every DC related tweet is not that many.

Superman Returns?

It's not really halfassing it. Everybody in the cast is damaged one way or another, and the show consistently shows that fighting crime isn't exactly good for you in the long term. Even Batman is depicted to be a bit of a sociopath, albeit a lot of that is of course from a biased perspective.

I mean, better than BvS sure.

To be honest, Wolfman was going to hook Dick and Donna before coming up with a better plan.

>Gee, it's almost as if people don't like bad Superman movies.

People don't want anything but Chris Reeve Superman.

B's are shaky as in this is a divisive film.

Nah.

As I said
>One also not very good movie in the preceding 30 years?
Trying to use this to say it this proves that Superman is box office poison means that JL must mean that the JL is box office poison.

and that "better plan" was making a self-insert

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>It's not really halfassing it
It is though. You either focus on Trigon plot or the Defective sidekick plot.

The JL as a team might be box office poison, though.

No, B Cinemascores are fucking terrible for big blockbusters. A B+/A- means something is divisive. A B on the Cinemascore scale is the equivalent of a D.

Wolfman is looking good for 73.

No, people just want a good movie.

>active for 30 plus years
>batman is still only on jason
Why do this?

>A B on the Cinemascore scale is the equivalent of a D.
No it's not, a D is the equivalent to a D because they're using an A to F grading scale

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Not a blockbuster, try again you fucking idiot.

That's not how Cinemascore works.

Horror movies have always had weird Cinemascores.

>You either focus on Trigon plot or the Defective sidekick plot.

You can do both. You can be a damaged sidekick stuff while also being dragged back into cape shit situations. It fits well with the "can't retire and live a normal life, can't entirely handle the vigilante lifestyle despite feeling the pull to go back to it" dynamic of the show.

Comic book movies/well-loved franchises almost always score an A of some sort, because hardcore fans are the ones most likely to watch a film on opening night and score it higher. That's why a cinemascore of B was disastrous for BvS; it meant a lot of hardcore fans were disappointed in it. It did not live up to expectations, but fanboys are more forgiving of a property unless it truly shits the bed.

Comedies, on the other hand, are always a crapshoot. A preexisting property does not always translate to film; take for instance the South Park movie with a score of B-. All the Austin Powers films got Bs of some kind. Harold and Kumar Go To White Castle got a B+. Even better-rated comedies like Trainwreck got an A-; but so did Harold and Kumar's Guantanamo Bay movie. A "bad" comedy may be like Melissa McCarthy's The Boss which gets a C+. Keanu I think falls here, a B is par for the course, nothing good, nothing bad. EDIT: I just wanted to add that Brothers Grimsby, a Sacha Baron Cohen comedy that involves very British jokes and an elephant masturbation scene, got a B+ which is hilarious to me.

Horror is similar, but they also get panned by critics on the regular. Every single Saw film scores between a B+ and a C. The 3 Insidious films are B or B+. The Descent got B. Similar to comedies, horror enjoyment is situational and often gets lower scores than action/franchises.

A are good
B are shaky
C are bad
D and F are fails
That's why they have grades lower than B, because B's mean less than good but not entirely bad.

>As of now, the plan is to tease the death of Jason Todd - maybe kill him if Titans gets a season 3.
LEAVE MY BOY JASON ALONE, FUCK

Also don't forget, most 'big name' critics, or film critics in general despise the horror genre and consider it the white trash of movie genres. Sure, some movies manage to escape that but even decent stuff where effort was put in gets looked down upon.

>Dick Grayson cannot keep it in his fucking pants.
That is literally half of Dick's character

>The JL as a team might be box office poison, though.

Wonder Woman was literally one of the most profit making movies of its release year and Aquaman made over a billion dollars. The entire issue with Batman and Superman is that they're so goddamn popular that when you do even slightly divisive, modernizing "not a complete boyscout" takes on them fanboys freak the fuck out and get enormously butthurt. Meanwhile Aquaman can do whatever the fuck he wants because there's no decades long loaded expectations to the character. And with WW all you had to do was make her be a positive feminist girl power character, because that's all people want from her.

With Superman he has to be depicted as your best friend, step-dad, boyscout troop leader and apple pie eating, hug giving paragon of virtue who smiles all the time and never has to struggle because he can do anything God like character wrapped in one, i.e. what people always complain about when they say Superman is boring. Just look at JL version of him. The moment he made a joke and smiled all you faggots went YES YES YES YES YES MUH WARM FUZZY FEELS THIS IS SUPERMAN!!! You just want a Saturday morning cartoon version of the character.

>Dick and Donna
>Intense sexual relationship.
If I were big ball of angst Dick and had someone who looks like Donna offer a blowjob I would accept full stop.

On a more serious note, why? What does this add to them as characters?

It's better than Terry! Or Roy!

>What does this add to them as characters?

They're horny teenagers, they fight crime, get all hot and bothered, so they fuck. If anything, the sex most likely is depicted as being a part of a coping mechanism and stress relief for their traumatic superhero lives.

Honestly Dick/Donna is the only non-cancerous ship for either them.

Roy Harper dd nothing wrong, except look up to a self-righteous hypocrite like Oliver Queen as an example of what a hero should be.

He did evrything wrong, user.

They'd probably be the type of FWBs who screw, its not intense sex but they're rough and loud. And when that's over they order pizza and watch made for TV movies...all while not bothering to put any clothes on.

You're not wrong about Oliver, but wrong about everything else.

>Brief shoutout to Swamp Thing, might get cut.

Reminds me of when Loeb and Marvel were petty enough to recast Spidey and JJ Jameson in EMH from their original actors and ruin their Spectacular Spider-Man tribute.

The Roy and Donna relationship is a terrible one, specially for Donna.
It's always about Donna falling hard for the bad boy who comes from a broken home, and getting badly burned for her doll-eyed naivety and compassionate curiosity thanks to his life's dramas, with Roy blaming her of picking everybody's sides but his, and telling her to come off from her high-horse because she's apparently just as terrible and messy undeneath as he is. Then he fucks off to do some smack or cheat on her with Chesire. All so she can nurse him later on when he decides to finally show up to cry on her shoulders about how mean Ollie has been to him.

>apparently there was an intense sexual relationship between Dick and Donna.
does this feel like a retcon to anyone else given how they were portrayed in s1?

They could be one of those close friends that fuck for fun, but remain besties for whatever reason. I've known a few couples like that. They're the bane of every relationship.

No? It means they used to have sex when they were younger but stayed friends after it stopped. They most likely never had a proper let's go on dates like a normal couple relationship because their lives never allowed that. They'd fight crime and then fuck on rooftops like horny teenagers when they have an adrenaline rush.

I'm calling bullshit on at least half of this.

I could have sworn they already mentioned Babs and they didn't reference her as if she was dead.

And I'm pretty sure they cast Wally or at least had a casting call for him so he's gonna be more than referenced.

Garth hating Arthur sounds just the right amount of stupid to happen though.

>Garth hating Arthur sounds just the right amount of stupid to happen though.

Why is it stupid?

I seem to recall them mentioning Babs too. I want to say is was during the Trigon Nightmare World sequence (which despite being a made up creation should still hold some real world resemblance) or maybe during the Jason Todd ep.

I seen Wally casting info a while back ago but apparently it's for STARGIRL.

It appears like that's going to be a theme with the show that the sidekicks/legacies hate their mentors. Donna didn't seem to have anything too bad to say about Diana though.

You are a retard who literally can't read. Also the other user is right, hence why the creative minds behind WW and AM both DIRECTLY MENTION Zack Snyder during their press interviews.

cinemablend.com/news/2465375/zack-snyder-supposedly-helped-james-wan-undo-some-of-joss-whedons-justice-league-changes

>James Wan was showing Zack Snyder cuts of the movie and early test screenings and storyboards to make sure that they're on the same page with what he originally wanted and Snyder gave his blessing of approval, liked everything that he did and kinda brought it back to the charactert that he wanted it to be all along.

comicbook.com/dc/2017/04/09/wonder-woman-patty-jenkins-zack-snyder-movie/

>“Zack was making Batman V Superman simultaneous to making this, but he was very instrumental in the direction the film was going to take,” Jenkins said. "That ended up leading to my signing on, because I know enough about these worlds now that unless we really have a shared vision."

Jesus christ, you couldn't have been more wrong.

He's got to "die" to inevitably come back as Red Hood. Will also likely be another reason for Dick to have a hate boner for Bats.

>moving goal posts

what a coward you are

>Donna didn't seem to have anything too bad to say about Diana though.

Not surprising that Donna also looks like the most well adjust person in the show. Had the sense to retire, has a normal civilian life with normal friends (which Dick proved to be completely inept at when he went to her gallery exhibit and tried to mingle), still moonlights as a hero by exposing human traffickers...

>>Its confirmed Batman, Superman, and others have been active for over 30 or so years.
Considering who the got for Batman that makes sense

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Barbara is the most useless of the Bat family. She literally is always getting gassed, knocked out, and just basically always has to be saved. It sucks that but hey, it's DC so what did I expect.

>If OP is to be believed, Dick Grayson cannot keep it in his fucking pants.
So Dick is the most comic accurate character DC has put out in a while?

>Aquaman
>Just a modest success
So what was Homecoming, a massive failure?

>Superman Returns?
Had a bigger box office than Batman Begins

>Snyderfags desperately trying to say that he had a hand in the only good DCEU movies
That's pretty pathetic. I suppose Sandberg went to him as well for Shazam?

Yes.

Snyder is the one who fought to get Wonder Woman made in the first place. It's based on his story ideas. I think he also got Patty to direct it.

If I thought they had the balls to give Conner his actual powers, I might watch this.

He probably will. Krypto was at least shown to have heat vision

Didn't they make a poll to decide wether Jason lives or dies (the result being him living)?

I mean starting him with his limited telekinesis rather than the typical Kryptonian power suite.

Because they've almost always had a solid relationship iirc. Garth has always respected him as King.

This sounds like the death of Aquababy arc. Garth REALLY hated Aquaman afterwards.

Yeah I just looked it up and Barbara was only just recently "missing" in the Trigon reality. And if the Trigon reality is based on Dick's already existing memories and experiences then there's no way Babs was already dead before the events of the season 1.

Fake fucking news.

>tman just killing criminals willy nilly now, going as far as murdering people in hospital beds
That was just the Trigon nightmare sequence

>And if the Trigon reality is based on Dick's already existing memories and experiences

This is the same fake reality where Dick is suddenly married and Dawn, iirc, is far enough pregnant that she's showing it. How farfetched is it that Babs' tragic death is changed to "missing" in Dick's head when it's partially an idealized version of reality for him?

Gonna get retconned away mid-production, like "Oh, Batman basically bexame Punisher" went from a plot point to a nightmare

Garth hating Aquaman happened in the comics. Arthur nearly murdered him for a chance to save Aquababy.

He got angry at him as a person

the plan is to tease the death of Jason Todd
>Did I ever tell you guys how much I hate crowbars? - Jason Todd s2ep5

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Considering the whole thing exists to feed on Dick's hatred of Batman and force him over into the dark side? Pretty low. If it was that instance that fully turned Dick toward his "Fuck Batman" mentality then it should still be present.

Exactly. We wouldn't have Dick kill Bruce in the fake reality without even telling us that part of the building rage leading to that scene is Barbara's death. It'd make absolutely no sense and would be an active retcon almost if they did reveal that in season 2.

>Death of Barbara Gordon
Why does DC / Warners hate Oracle fans?

Barbara's death might be a part of Dick's resentment, but it wouldn't necessarily be the defining aspect of it because Barbara would have chosen the mission willingly just like Dick did. Thus Dick having issues with Babs dying don't have to tie directly to him breaking ties with Bruce, where it's more about the fractures in their partnership, etc. and they don't need to be addressed when the driving point in the fake dream is Dick's fears that Batman is out of control to a point where he has to be killed.

Geoff Johns hates Tim Drake, simple as that.

They wanted to use her as a main character but Johns stepped in and said "USE BEAST BOY INSTEAD". Then they tried to use her again but was embargoed for some reason (yet Batman wasn't).

Batman is pretty essential for Dick's characterization to work at all.

>all these people complaining about it not being like the comics
Read some fucking Titans

Probably either her movie is going forward or one of the CW shows have plans for her.

Dawn developing powers after her comatose state.
While I don't hate it, I'm guessing Hank will get the same? Maybe a bit worse though before he gets the same powers.

>I'm guessing Hank will get the same?

Hank's job is suffering.

This show is super edgy and tryhard.

>First 5-8 years is Batman on his own in Gotham.
>Years 9-15 is probably when the JL forms.
>Years 16-30 includes the OG Batman and Robin era, the falling out, Titans, and Jason Todd.

Batman shouldn't have more than two Robin and especially after Jason's death.

That dude is weird lookin'.

Hank probably gets his powers after pretty much getting killed because of how fucked up his body's become.

She is probably going to be the Jason Todd of this shit since Jason here is too popular to kill off for too long.

I mean, they could always half ass and have Steph randomly thrown in.
Although given this show she probably would solely exist to be Bruce's cumrag.

>Re-using Aquaman's JL suit
Why? That thing was ass ugly.

nothing about Trigon? FAKE AND GAY!

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OP is probably massively embarrassed to say Trigon gets dealt with in one episode.

Its Okay OP, we expected that kind of disappointment.

what about Kyle

conner and clark relationship is not full of strife, unless you watch young justice. heck people who watch reign of superman were shock cause this was not there angsty boy conner and he and clark actually had s good relationship

Wow this all sounds disappointing.

what about dcu app? are they gonna merge it with warner streaming service?

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Not OP but I could see them pulling the plug on Titans after this season, and cancelling Doom Patrol after its second season.

Likely what will stay is animated Harley Quinn and Stargirl since the rumor mill there is its a more lighthearted show, and WB suits are happy with what they've seen so far.

He was weirded out by it at first in the comics too, but eventually tried to be like a big brother/father figure to Conner as the years went on.

Then Kara came around and she was just straight up horrified...speaking of which what are the chances of Kara popping up in season 2?

Because there's enough Marvel quip-fests to go around.

>cancelling Doom Patrol after its second season.
no please no.....

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Doom Patrol is probably renewed. IGN slip it a few days ago and they announced a SDCC panel, they wouldn't do that if the show was cancelled.

Oh wait, he meant second season. Ignore my comment (). Although the WarnerMedia service should already be ready by then.

Yes, but not on the hating sense of the word...

>>>When we meet Garth, he absolutely hates Aquaman, in one draft of a script he refers to him as 'A manipulative, gas lighting piece of shit - worse than Batman

That doesn’t sound like Aquaman at all

Kon just wants to see Supes fuck Bruce.

FUCK AQUAMAN and FUCK ATLANTIS!

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ITP: Dick, Jason, Tim, and Damian all in their own respective Robin uniforms.

>No appearance by Lex.
>Mercy Graves is ugly af
>Mercy just orders the entire facility on Lex's payroll presumably be killed by presumably Deathstroke.
>What the fuck is this shit even?

Such a cute couple, I ship them. Why can't they be together?

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Of course, he's telling FUCK SUPERMAN! to Bruce

why did they cancel swamp thing? why didn't hbo take the show? fuck i hate at&t/wb idiots so much

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Because WB did not want a show like Swamp Thing to be Swamp Thing, there was a leak of info that basically said they want more CW-Tier shows and less of shows like Titans, Doom Patrol, and Swamp Thing.

Chances are they're getting their way with Stargirl.

Know what? I'd be okay with this if the shows had the same quality as Arrow seasons 1, 2, 5, and 7, Flash season 1, LOT seasons 2-3, and Supergirl seasons 3-4.

If they're on par with Arrow seasons 3, 4, and 6, Flash seasons 3-5, and Supergirl season 2 the fuck you WB/DC/AT&TA.

good. cw shows are successful.

what is truly fucking asinine is how poorly theyre handling ravens arc

introducting and subsequently banishing trigon to give raven her gem in 2 episodes, and in the first season no less, is the dumbest shit they could have done and they wasted so much potential

For all their flaws, the CW shows are better than Titans.

Titans is like the writers noticed that the mentors have been treating their sidekicks poorly in the comics, made the mentors and sidekicks even bigger assholes and went full 'darkness, edge and angst'.

Why are the writers adding more characters to the cast when they haven't done anything interesting or developed the cast that already exists?

AT&T likes Titans though. That it's basically financed by Netflix helps too.

Assuming that Trigon gets stuck in Raven's gem, he'll probably corrupt her from there.

I mean, Arrow did have a solid first season. Typical tropes aside it was good, second season was legitimately amazing. So if the shows were more like that where they did have a serious/dark atmosphere but also tried to tell a story with emotional weight they'd have gold on their plates.

Conner is a big, muscular, horny boy and probably has to have the likes of Kara and Donna deal with him and his urges.

>Having one thing means you can't have the other
I don't see why. Even more when the subject on cuestion is a Chad
But whatever, It wasn't a serious post anyways

Gee it's almost like they should have made 12 episodes or something. >.>

They've been active for 30 years but he only has Jason?

El goblino horrendo

Dick is in his late twenties at most and still Robin at the time the series began, if Batman's been around 30 years then Dick was clearly Robin for a chunk of that time.

>Dick Grayson cannot keep it in his fucking pants
When has he ever?

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>Stargirl
I better see her dating Billy Batson and Atom Smasher. Older male/younger female relationships are my thing.

Titan's was shit though, why is it getting a second season and not Doom Patrol?

but they are not using beastboy at all in the plot, even though the actor is fine.

Geoff Johns, for some reason, fucking despise Batgirl and Catwoman.

Lame.

bimp

Essentially it boils down to him not knowing HOW to write Barbara as Batgirl, if he doesn't want her they have at least 4 others to choose from.

Donna/Dick is usually a pairing nobody pushes. She's typically the one woman he doesn't pursue, and their relationship in the first season mirrored this. Them fucking in season 2 is kind of out of left field which is probably why people are confused about it

He does say though it happened in the past, presumably it comes up somehow.

Say OP, I got more questions actually what is Deathstroke's deal this season? Why are Jericho and Ravager showing up too? Where is Grant? And is Slade being pursued by Batman or something?

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>Why does DC insist on going down the "dark and edgy" path.
Cause nolanverse did his money and people think darkness is reason.

You guys do know that Johns isn't showrunning Titans right? He's exec producing all the DCU shows and he's writing a few episodes but he's not in charge of Titans or Doom Patrol. I think he's showrunning Stargirl though.

I assume that they're using Ravager for Judas Contract instead of Terra.

Terra and Geo Force are most likely going to be in Black Lightning.

Did they forget, that while the Nolan movies were fairly dark that they made bank because of A. The stories being legitimately good, entertaining, well-paced, and good writing-Oh wait..

They totally did.

He is there for whenever they do Judas Contract.

>We will see a trip to Metropolis at some point.
>There are scenes of Mercy Graves torturing people for information on Conner, these scenes are gory and full of extreme violence.
>Mark Sheppard's character from Doom Patrol makes a cameo.
>As one user suggested, yes, Trigon is dealt with in the span of 2 episodes, however once Raven imprisons him his presence will still be felt.
>There is another DCEU suit re-use, the batsuit, Bruce will not be wearing it but it will be seen.
>Starfire's proper uniform appears this season.
>Beast Boy will retain his civvie uniform.
>Cyborg may not appear as many hope to see.
>Donna Troy may suit up once more for an episode.
>Hawk and Dove are searching for Jason because Trigon, possessing Dick is trying to kill him, feeding off a resentment towards Jason that Dick feels.
>Deathstroke will ultimately be the big bad of season 2, however at first it will appear the big bad is Mercy.
>There is an appearance by a supporting Superman character who is not a hero, but is not Jimmy Olsen nor Lois Lane.