Mmmmmm what

>worst Beast design
Hickman is gay

>redpilled Cyclops is back
Based

>"There is no time-travel in this story guys!"
>Jonathan Hickman

The weird helmet is from the Bendis run. Gillen stuck mostly with the old blue costume.

It's probably like something like Carey's X-Men Legacy where it's a bunch of flashbacks to previous eras running parallel to the main story. I believe Hickman has said he is fond of the Carey run.

>Nightcrawler and Mystique's son
Hold the fucking phone. WHAT? Nightcrawler fucked his Mom? Please give some context or any explanation that doesn't make this fucked up as hell.

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maybe he thinks he's a fireman

When did beast get fat? Not against it, just against feline look in general.

Now, since this is Hickman, we know Doom will be involved. Of course he will be involved.
So, does that mean we'll see Victor and Wanda together again?

cha saaaaaaay
mmmmmmm that you only meant well

He is working in the x-men editorial. He doesn't have access to Doom unless he writes another company spanning crossover.

Since when do x-men series include solely x-men characters?

Since the fact that Brevoort now controls that particular corner of the Marvel Universe that includes the FF.

Hickman is hyped as a big thing and marketed as such, if he asked the shogun to let him use doom, he'll let him use doom.

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Hickman said they would switch suits around at points. He said he wanted their suit to be like mutant clothes

They didn't. He was screwing Captain Britain's shapeshifting empathic wife and she kept unwittingly turning into Mystique behind the scenes because she was picking up Kurt's repressed memoires.

So is Hickman carrying on Morrison's idea that mutants have their own culture?

i actually love this idea

characters changing costumes regularly gives it much more life and realism. It also removes the simpsons style effect of wearing the same clothes all the time.

Beast didn't just change costumes though, he changed forms from his current ape form to his previous cat mutation.

Kurt didn't fuck Mystique, he fucked Meggan who was turning into Mystique after the fact. And they had a daughter.

Are they doing time traveling original five again? They just got rid of the last one.

And those clothes were invented by the human scientist Reed Richards. Not even a mutant invention

Hopefully.
He is a big Morrison fan, after all.

It's been pointed out before by the dedicated x-reviewer. But this is kind of the wall where a lot of the post-Morrison stories have hit in their unwillingness to go where Morrison took the franchise.

But why would he use Doom? He's no Cates, who likely wrote into his contract that he must be allowed to put Venom and Knull into every single one thing he writes.

He put doom in all his last 3 big things and has done literally written about himself imagining talking to doom during editorial meetings

Yeah, he put Doom into Fantastic Four, Future Foundation, and the event that actually had Doom in its first version. Wow!

He did ff, Avengers and chose to have his big crossover event to be a doom focused one

You are talking to Tommy, he has an absession with Doom, ignore him like everyone else does. Don't argue with the idiot is a golden rule.

Again, the "big crossover event" was a sequel to the original Secret Wars, who, SURPRISE SURPRISE, had Doom in it. And Avengers was for the most part focused on other things that weren't Doom, or are we going to forget the whole Infinity thing, and the Builders saga?

>are we going to forget the whole Infinity thing, and the Builders saga
I would like to, it's the weakest part of his run

It's besides the point.

>So, does that mean we'll see Victor and Wanda together again?
If Hickman wrote Avengers for years without using her once, he probably doesn't care about her.

Eh, Reed's son is a mutant, so while he may not be a mutant, he's a "friend of the family" if you will.

It would be weird if Doom wasn't in the Fantastic Four or Secret Wars. Likewise, Doom has fought the Avengers countless times. It makes sense for Doom to appear in all those things. Doom being in X-men? Not so much. Doom never appeared in Secret Warriors, SHIELD, Ultimate Thor, Ultimate Hawkeye, Ultimates, Satana, or that "Sunspot & Cannonball vs. Mojo" story he did.

Hickman will just use Mister Sinister.

>Hickman will just use Mister Sinister

Based.

That "big crossover event" was Secret Wars, user. Doom was the main villain in Secret Wars 1, appeared in Secret Wars 2, was a main character in Secret Wars 3, and Secret War was literally about superheroes invading Latveria. Doom not being in a Secret Wars comic would be as weird as him not being in a Fantastic Four comic.

See:
They're just wearing different clothes.

Do you even like x-men? Can you stick to shitting your own threads?

To be fair, he has been an X-Men villain before, specifically in a fairly famous Claremont X-Men arc where he revealed he's got such a raging lust for Storm that he had her frozen in carbonite and kept as a statue in his room. Saying he's one of their 'iconic' or even regular villains would be disingenuous though.

I don't see anything in this advertisement that tells me why I should be interested in it.

Not that I want to sell you on it because I don't care about the X-Men, but given that this is a linewide relaunch of the franchise handled by a single man's vision (who already proved to be influential enough to end up in IW/EG), I am mildly interested in this. If you don't like Hickman though, well, that's on you, can't really sway you there.
One thing's for sure, they seem very confident about it.
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So it's Gabbo for the millionth time.

Marvel are relentlessly promoting this as the most important X-Men story in over 15 years, and attempting to build up interest via single images with no context and no information about the storyline at all. In truth, X-Men sales are worse than they've ever been and Ike may as well really cancel most of their books if Hickman can't turn things around.

>the most important X-Men story in over 15 years
They could just call it "kind of important, I guess" and this would stand to reason. I'm glad there's pressure, but there's nothing telling me that they're rising to the occasion. Maybe I'm just sick of shitty ads that expect my patronage, rather than earn it.

>(who already proved to be influential enough to end up in IW/EG),
Whoever happened to be writing Avengers at the time would likely have been tasked with creating henchmen for Thanos with the hope the MCU would use them. The Black Order are less of a success of Hickman's creative vision and more something where all he had to do was not screw up horribly.

>Maybe I'm just sick of shitty ads that expect my patronage
That’s generally how ads work, yeah

>and more something where all he had to do was not screw up horribly.
That's usually what it takes to be successful these days, to be fair.

>all he had to do was not screw up horribly
That alone is a success.

Only when the product is indefensible. We've had decades' worth of ads that aren't remotely like this.

>Cater to meeeee

Should I want them to cater to someone else? I'm not buying comics for you.

The most charitable explanation is that the final issues of the X-Men Disassambled & Age of X-Man storylines are going to set up the new status quo and they want to avoid any major spoilers. The most cynical explanation is that they're keeping the story a secret because they have no faith in the product. The truth probably falls somewhere in between, they think Hickman has enough star power to sell the book, and just telling X-fags they're getting top-tier talent, it's going to be important, and Marvel cares about the franchise, is having some success at building hype.

>The most cynical explanation is that they're keeping the story a secret because they have no faith in the product.
Is that why they're putting some of their top artist talent in these two books?

You're not good at reading, he's clearly replying to my sentiments.

What would you like to see in a cryptic teaser ad user? They really should try to make you happy.

I don't know, I'm just tired precisely of that cynical approach to comic books, may as well just stop reading them if whenever something new with clearly some effort put into it is taken like "meh, guesses on how long it takes until it's cancelled?" like nigga at least give it a try before you knock it down.

>What would you like to see in a cryptic teaser ad user?
Something regarding the story. Anything at all. Television, movie, video game trailers have been successfully doing this for decades. You seem to be stuck on me speaking for myself as if there's some problem with it, but you're only saying that I'm doing it instead of saying why I shouldn't. I'm looking for my own entertainment when I spend my own money and my own time.

>nigga at least give it a try before you knock it dow
You haven't been reading. I've spent my whole time in this thread asking why it should receive a chance based on the current marketing for the run and you're saying "just do it, come on." No, that's not good enough.

I have been reading you, that's the point here, and I already said I'm not really interested in convincing you. If you look at the creative team behind this (Marte García, Pepe Larraz, etc) as well as the interviews and you don't feel at least a bit enticed over this, then why would I, or any of us, try to sway you? If you don't like it, then you don't. No big deal.
I've passed on hyped books like this before and I've been proven right, because hype isn't everything, it's the creative team behind that makes or breaks this. In this case though, it looks like they're putting a lot of effort into what they're doing while remaining cryptic. Perhaps the point is that this is more of an actual "fresh start" than the years of Uncanny, Red, Gold and Blue, as well as every other series that came out during this period, so X-fans and others shouldn't be concerned over it.

No I understand sir, it's a business after all. And trying to intrigue fans based on scant hints, taglines, graphics, interviews, interior and cover illustrations and creative teams quite frankly insults my fiduciary fortitude. Before investment I need detailed, or at least bullet-pointed breakdowns of plotbeats, arcs I might expect, and where Mr. Hickman sees himself this time next year.

>why would I, or any of us, try to sway you?
Or reply at all? You're putting a lot of effort into telling me that you don't care.
>If you don't like it, then you don't
Still not reading: Asking "Why" isn't saying "I don't." That's why I picked the words I did, because those were the words I meant.
>hype isn't everything
And I've been asking in regards to the advertising specifically. The product is not available to speak for itself, but the advertising that I, again, have been asking about the whole time, is. See? Or are you still skimming and assuming?
>they're putting a lot of effort into what they're doing while remaining cryptic
Like most movie, television and video game trailers you can be cryptic and still provide something.
>this is more of an actual "fresh start" than the years of Uncanny, Red, Gold and Blue, as well as every other series that came out during this period, so X-fans and others shouldn't be concerned over it
Fans should always be concerned about changes in direction. Why wouldn't they be?

>Or reply at all? You're putting a lot of effort into telling me that you don't care.
Ah okay so you can come in here to basically say you don't care (as if we want to read that), but we aren't allowed to tell you the opposite? That's rich.

Yes, the big event was secret wars. It could have been something else though, he chose it to be secret wars.

>you can come in here to basically say you don't care
I never said this. Nobody asks "why" without being interested. You're still not reading what I'm saying. I'm still picking my words deliberately and you're not paying any attention.

Wasn't this you? Then yeah, nobody has to sell you on anything if they don't want to you. If you're not interested, that's on you.

>nobody has to sell you on anything if they don't want to
So the people advertising for this run don't want to advertise? If you don't want to do it then why are you still replying to me? Is it that you want to argue? Is it that you want me to keep telling you that you're not reading? I've said several times that I'm interested, but that the advertising is weak. Anything except for that you've inferred without my implication.

This is supposed to be one of the literate boards, maybe you'd rather be on Yea Forums.

why is Captain Britain always getting cucked?

no, he's likely making Wanda and Pietro Magneto's kids again though. There was a tease to it in Age of X-Man

>So the people advertising for this run don't want to advertise?
But they are. You really sound like those who prefer trailers to spell out the entire plot of the movie instead of let people guess or at least get the tone of the movie so they know what they're in for. They've been showing a lot of the covers, given interviews, given Q&A's, but that's not enough for you?
> If you don't want to do it then why are you still replying to me? Is it that you want to argue?
Not sure if you noticed but this is an imageboard, where people can reply freely to other posts. You want to block me or something?
>This is supposed to be one of the literate boards, maybe you'd rather be on Yea Forums.
Right, the guy who wants shit spelled out in advertising is telling me, the one who understands how good advertising works, to go to Yea Forums, a place full of retards who scream when they don't see their favorite character in the videogames they won't even pay for. How about no?

As Wanda now only appears in comics for a few weeks once a year, because Marvel's writers don't care for her at all (except Zub and his Drumm-shipping), expect either nothing or a one panel cameo or line where it's mentioned then swiftly forgotten.

Magneto remembering the moment he found out they weren't his children was referenced in Age of X-Man as a traumatic memory of the real world isn't a tease that they're going to undo it. All Magneto's other traumatic memories were far enough in the past that they were still part of his life in the Age of X-Man, this was the only recent one they could use.

Actually undoing it would require X-Men and Avengers editorial agreeing, and probably need Ike's approval. One writer alone won't have the pull to do it, and none of the promotional art even implies they're going to appear.

Has Hickman came out with a reading list yet?

Ike has very little to do with Marvel now. he's working behind the scenes with Trump now. But ya maybe it will needs some of the Avengers editorials agreeing to it, but I don't see why they would be so against it. No one liked Ike's mandates and now that his influence is gone people can be free to undo his shit

I don't think there will be one, these two books come after cancelling the entire X-Men line, they're all ending before or right after the first issue comes out. That's why I've been saying Marvel wants to start fresh so there's no confusion over this run.

>I don't see why they would be so against it. No one liked Ike's mandates and now that his influence is gone people can be free to undo his shit
Not being a mutant and not having any reason to appear in X-books ever again worked out really well for Wanda after everything Bendis did to her. Any Avengers editor that cares about her might be hesitant to undo that.

Yeah but this is Hickman, there's no way this isn't gonna try pull things like Claremont, Morrison and all that into 1.

Tbf, Grand Design will probably do an alright job

Based Hickman bringing Cat Beast back
Someone post his shitpost about Bendis crying about Cat Beast

A variant cover

>Champions? Angel
thats Archangel you idiot

Yes. Marvel and Hickman are heavily promoting Giant Sized X-Men/X-Men #1/AoA/New X-Men

comicsbeat.com/x-men-seminal-moments-hickman/

I kinda wanna see him turn into a goat again.

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He cited Asgardian Wars as being a favorite, and talked about how Carey's Supernovas was great and his run underrated.

Was this marvels big announcement?what ever happened to the spiderman teaser?

Only because Carey did the time-accelerated-super-humans idea with the Children of the Vault years before he did in Ultimates with the Maker and the Children of Tomorrow.

>what ever happened to the spiderman teaser?

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>X-Men continuity is some nonsense.
>There are no rules here. There is no order. Just random unconnected gibberish.
>I just wrote 5000 words on when someone can, and cannot, utter the phrase "Omega Level"
>This is a job I have in the United States of America.

He's absolutely right. I hope he puts some order in this shit.

I hate nepotism.

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Is it fixed yet?

Is Iceman straight and great again?

These are my favorite looks for all of these characters except Iceman, who peaked during Operation Zero Tolerance.

Oh, there will be charts.
It's gonna be such a train wreck anyway

based.

Yes, his white skin and feathery non-metal wings clearly show that's archangel. Thank God you're here to share your knowledge with us.

Clearly 100% SOLID ORANGE HOVERCHAIR
Yellowfags once again BTFO

the future is white but gay and full of furies?
that is a weird compromise

Because he reflects the sorry state of my once Great Britain.

The Chunnel was a mistake.

Hickman likes Cat Beast for some reason, so this makes sense. Still cannot understand the premise though? Is it going to be some sort of reboot in the X-Verse? Because personally I wouldn’t mind erasing everything before 2000 or so with a few exceptions, but keeping everything before intact.

>orange

Oh right, he did say they were going to switch clothes early on when his run was announced.
I completly forgot about this.

Oh, so you are just retarded
The big event was Secret Wars and he chose Secret Wars because it was actually the Last Fantastic Four story
This was during the time when Ike wanted to kill FF and X-men because of Fox
Thanks for showing how new you are tho

Back to cat Beast, eh?

I hope Beast in particular looks different on every page and its never explained

>Is it going to be some sort of reboot in the X-Verse?
As I understand it it's sorta like CoIE where they're going to nail down what's cannon by giving an overview of all the milestones in mutant history ... so going decade by decade.

Image related was something he posted just yesterday which is also one of the things that's bugged the shit out of me ever since it was introduced as a concept.

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Daredevil is a mutant now?

They also had a series of 'seminal moments' videos:
Episode 1: Giant-Size X-Men (1975)
youtube.com/watch?v=iY3H43y5aKk

Episode 2: X-Men #1 (1991) by Chris Claremont and Jim Lee
youtube.com/watch?v=BglgLp7ggbo

Episode 3: Age of Apocalypse (1995)
youtube.com/watch?v=LE6UPDTPucg

Episode 4: New X-Men (2001) by Grant Morrison and Frank Quitely
youtube.com/watch?v=09Trl4Kdczk

Episode 5: Going forward with House of X/Powers of X by Jonathan Hickman
youtube.com/watch?v=h_hfjRpXW-s

Really glad to see Marvel giving New X-Men the respect it deserves, great video

It is funny tho that they only feature Quitely art, with like one split second panel from Kordey. They know they fucked up there.

This is really stupid. The suits are combat uniforms for the most part, not just clothes. They HAVE clothes, and wear them regularly.

And even if they didn't, and these were just different fashion choices they made, shit like Jean's Marvel Girl mini skirt is shit she wore like twenty years ago in canon. It's like digging through your closet for the Darth Maul t-shirt your wore in high school because the movie hadn't even come out yet. People, and personal styles, change, and reverting them because you like the designs is just weird on a character level.

Nah this post sucks and lacks imagination. It's a fun, visually exciting take.

>The suits are combat uniforms for the most part, not just clothes.
I think the idea, and this goes back to New X-Men, is that Mutants have their own subculture based around being Mutants, rather than just being people with powers.

If you're a superhero type who spends all of your downtime running around passing as a civilian you'd have a closet of civvies, sure ... but if you've spent several years living on Eutopia ( or other Mutant mostly/only enclave ) you'd expect people to start doing their own thing.

Just like the Inhumans living off world had an Inhuman culture.

>comic writers caring about character growth
Good one

I'm surprised Whedon-Men wasn't included

Psylocke is omega level?

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Sure, she can switch bodies and shit so that sounds fairly omega level

Rightclops, Cat Beast, Classic Jean, wot?
Also, stripper Bobby

Writers went a bit crazy with the designation. It was originally used for the reality-warpers but it ended up being used for Storm and Iceman.

>It was originally used for the reality-warpers but it ended up being used for Storm and Iceman.
That's because of Power Creep. Eventually a bad writer will come along and go full Infinity +1!

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Hopefully Hickman stops it after this

Storm and Iceman were powerwanked to the point where they can use their powers to destroy the atmosphere. I don't recall Psylocke getting such a boost. Bodyswapping seems out of place compared to the other powers on that list.

Oh, there has been power creep for both Storm and Iceman, but still not sufficient to get them into Omega level. Its more a dilution of the word itself than these two creeping up to the word.

>house of X
Anyone else thinks it sounds like a brothel name? Well, if you think on it I guess is quite accurate though

>I don't recall Psylocke getting such a boost.
I don't either, but pretty much every psychic got the term applied to them:

Jean being Omega ( *WITH* the Phoenix Force ) made a bit of sense but then Xavier was Omega ( he used to just be a psychic and only really got scary powerful when using Ceribro ), then Emma was ALSO Omega, then Quire was Omega ...

>there has been power creep for both Storm and Iceman, but still not sufficient to get them into Omega level
At one point Iceman literally created a second Ice Age, user.

>Anyone else thinks it sounds like a brothel name?
marvel.fandom.com/wiki/X-Ranch

>see algebra
>think of sex
imagine being this brainwashed by advertisement

It's the 'house of' part that makes it sound like a strip join or w/e

>It's the 'house of' part
Intradasting ...

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>anons first thought when confronted with 'house of' is food
kek

Actually my *first* thought was image related.

But that didn't in any way contradict the user I was responding to ...

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Whatever you say, fatass

I'm aware, and its still not the level of being a a reality-warper.

Storm has always had the power to muck with global weather patterns.

Its powerful, but its still not reaching into the config file of the universe and tweaking settings

>Storm has always had the power to muck with global weather patterns.
Has she? I'm pretty sure she started out making rain or wind on a very local level, and then that got expanded to an entire county, then a state, and eventually whole cotenants.

Just like Magneto went from being powerful, to being OP, to ... you know: literally flipping the Earth's poles and suchlike.

The problem, as with anything in Horror, is that to get that "OH, SHIT!" reaction you have to keep raising the bar.

What I'm saying here is that no matter where you put the line for is/is not Omega Level it wont matter unless Editorial keeps the writers in check, because sure as SHIT they'll just push their OC Doughnut Steels/Waifus right over said line first chance they get.

I'm just hoping he (or a book he has very heavy control over) treats the Academy Kids well.

White had already confirmed that Hickman had made around 64 pages worth of charts already and this was when he was first announced as doing Powers/House of X.

WIll this have Scott wank? I dipped out of X-Men comics during the Bendis run, I was looking so much towards the Phoenix Egg shit during Hickman's Avengers

The mutant power creep is similar to Silver Age Superman.
"If X can control water than that means they control hydrogen and oxygen, which means they can eventually learn to control other molecules which makes them able to alter matter...OMEGA LEVEL"

He can't be cucked if he's not even in the universe. The whole Age of X-man universe was Nate writing fanfiction, but surprisingly trying to leave out the Sex that most fanfiction consists of.

I'm down for this.

Why do nerds feel the need to push their fetishes on comics they don't even read. The child was a GIRL. Obnoxiously named like TJ from exiles instead of a new theme. And they didn't say it was his and Meggan's just his and she could sense it and was trying to bring them together.

>WIll this have Scott wank
He says in his story, Scott's cooler than Logan

Based Hickman

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Hope MCU takes its inspiration from this Cyclops

>Morrison Beast
I knew that ''no character created after 1995'' was bullshit.

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Cat Beast is Hank McCoy
But i saw Laura on a possible cover here a couple days ago, not sure if it's official?

Is there a division of powers over at Marvel? Like, is the Spider-Editorual different from the X-Men editorial. In DC everything is controlled by Didio/Lee/Harras, even Batman.

I don't think that user is accurate in that Hickman is thier only big name draw now, they're clearly putting money and effort into promoting it, if he wanted Doom he'd get Doom. Or nearly any one else.

Yes I know, but Cat Beast was Morrison idea. Maybe the second mutation will be used again.

It's the same with DC though. Justice League stuff/Batbooks/Superbooks all have their own editors. With Marvel it's X-books/Spider-books/Avengers being edited by their own editors. But also with some seniority shit tossed in so certain books edited by certain editors get ignored by all the other editors.

Wasnt there a Secret Wars tie-in which was about Morrisons New X-Men? I remember it involved Scott getting his secondary mutation

Something related to secondary mutations may play into these power stacked characters? Like Polaris/Magneto, Magik/Colossus, etc. Or maybe Omega Level mutants are somehow related to powerful families, I know there are outliers but the aforementioned are among the most powerful mutants possibly ?

No, Reed invented the unstable molecules costume. Storm comments on it in giant Sized Z-Men back in the 70s

Is Hank a lion man again?

I still don't understand how Bendis-era Cyclops' mask works at all.

Yes, there was. The art was awful.

Can someone explain to a non-xfag like me why people are calling cat Beast a secondary mutation?

It wasn't really transformative or defining like these others. Astonishing didn't have much of an effect and the major events of that era was being charted by writers like Bendis (HoM) or Marvel editors (Messiah Complex) which he didn't have much control over.

The other ones actually lead to something:
Giant Sized X-Men: the Claremont era
X-Men #1: the end of the Claremont era and the beginning of the post-Claremont era
New X-Men: Morrison era
AoA: bigger and bigger x-crossovers such as the Onslaught saga.

YES! Give me all the Cyclops wank possible.

Morrison introduced secundary mutations and Hank going from fur looking freak to lion man was part of his secondary mutation.

>no time travel
>but all your favorite steampunk heroes will be making an appearance along with some expys of DC characters and maybe some straight-up attempts at swiping characters I think are public domain even though they're clearly privately owned IPs because I haven't actually read a comic book in my life
>Jonathan Hickman

Power creep and mutants nos having a limit to their powers is what ruined the X-Men and mutants as a whole for me. Hell, Ultimate X-Men did the whole thing better.

and what was his actual power?

Superhuman agility and retard strength

>The Black Order are less of a success of Hickman's creative vision and more something where all he had to do was not screw up horribly.

Wasn't Hickman forced to write Thanos into Infinity? Cut his storyline out and nothing changes.

What culture? Have they developed their own genre of music or is there mutant specific art?

Not that user but yes there *were* mutant artists, celebrities, popular culture. Went the way of the dinosaur post Morrison

The only good thing with Wheadon-Men was the art

Heh, okay that made me chuckle

He's using Sinister, those characters are possibly creations of his. Unless Hickman is lying when he says there's no time travel, and they're from a future where everyone is incest.

>I knew that ''no character created after 1995'' was bullshit.
1995 is an odd cut-off point for the 1990s, unless he really hates Maggott, Onslaught and Bastion.

Imagine the anger if Hickman does use some characters from the 2000s, but it's just Azazel and Romulus for his 'mutant history' story.

Did the Lion thing add any new power for him at all? Seems like Morrison just wanted anyone named Beast to look like the fairytale character Beast.

He'd probably also use Xorn/Zorn.