Made a weapon that would guarantee the Homeworld Gems would start permanently losing soldiers

The fact that the remains can still move creeps me out to no end.

those things were fucking creepier than any horror film monster I've seen

It probably would have wrecked some shit in Rose's hands. She had the speed and power to back it up. But she never really wanted a real war with her sisters, let alone a mountain of corpses left behind.

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>undermining principles for efficiency sake

I do give the show props for not writing Bismuth off as just another baddie. She had legit reasons for what she did, and even if she has mellowed out she's never forced to do a complete 180 and say that she was the one completely in the wrong when it came to her dealings with Rose.

>use your million, wildly variable, adaptable weapons
>enemies can be easily poofed and captured to be interrogated, used bargaining chips or even converted to your cause as every Crystal Gem rebel is used to be a defecting Homeworld soldier
>they might even voluntarily surrender to you if you get the upper hand in a situation

>use your autismo fist
>single, short range weapon with zero other uses than kiling a gem
>have to equip every single soldier of yours with them
>no prisoners, no converts
>every single enemy fights like a cornered rat to the bitter end, knowing you are going to permakill them anyway
>no one wants to defect to a bunch of literally hitlers, no recruitment whatsoever
>enemy morale soars as they arent fighting their sister gems fighting for a possibly good cause but vicious, needless murderers

Gee, I wonder why they didn't listen to that angsty retard.

Even if you want to make some gem disappear, there is nothing stopping you from simply shattering it later after poofing, instead in a battle or just use your intergalactic portal system to maroon her bubbled ass on some inhospitable rock or jungle moon forever. Hell, Rose could have done the exact same thing what she did to Bismuth and hide an entire army of bubbled gems in her pocket dimension.

Fuck principles, this is war! If you are facing a foe that shows no trace of stopping there assault or even at the very least slowing down you must do what ever you must to stop them.

Idiot.

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Tactics wise carrying a massive weapon that constraints your motions and takes minutes to load isn't pratical even if it can perma kill your enemies.

Plus, the Breaking Point is just absolute shit as a weapon anyway. It's slow, has an incredibly short range, and requires a very precise strike on a weak point that can literally be located anywhere on the enemy's body,

Bismuth didn't design it to win wars. She designed it to sow terror.

>wanting a race that is designed to have a purpose built into them and cannot complete tasks outside of their programming without extreme difficulty to disregard the caste system that they were literally built to adhere too and cannot survive without
if bismuth's ideas got popular she would have led to the extinction of her species.

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Then try not be retarded:
Just because a weapon is cruel, it does not help you win the war.

I dunno it just took a few seconds to prepare then it would fire in an instant
I feel like it would work as an off hand weapon, the CG could probably use the frame as a make-shift shield while they used a proper weapon to disarm or stun their opponent then finish them off with the Breaking Point

There's pretty much no reason to shatter gems when bubbling exists, full stop. Bismuth didn't just want to shatter the Diamonds
>The Homeworld Gems won't be able to retake this planet when they're reduced to shards!
Most gems are like Peridot; absolute loyalty to their Diamond because that's how they were designed, that's the only thing they know. The Crystal Gems were made up of gems who Bismuth would have shattered if they weren't given the chance to change.

Destroying the Diamonds is more justifiable but they are also sort of necessary for gemkind, their fluids is what makes them, and even if some miracle happened and they did manage to shatter a Diamond it would just kick Homeworld into a frenzy like what literally happens and then we'll see things like the Cluster being made. And specifically about Rose's POV, she probably still loved them partly and would not have wanted this.

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It's a question of ends justify the means, it was mentioned that countless humans got caught in the cross-fire of the war
If Rose really cared about the humans she'd have used whatever she could to end the war quicker
Maybe she wouldn't have needed to push back against Homeworld like Bismuth wanted but she could have made Homeworld abandon Earth much quicker with the weapon

I remind you they didn't fight for the sake of it
the war was based on principles so you fight it like that

>There's pretty much no reason to shatter gems when bubbling exists
yes there is. you have to get rid of people like that entirely or they will just rise up again and ruin everything.

>used bargaining chips or even converted to your cause
good luck with that, Homeworld saw every soldier as disposable as the CGs had Earth while they had every other planet to mine and make gems out of
As for recruitment Jasper and the Rubies showed that a lot of gems on Homeworld despised Rose with a burning passion and wanted her dead more than anything for "shattering Pink Diamond"
Sure there were some converts, but even being generous less than half the gems of Homeworld would have converted to the CGs
honestly there were probably more gems willing to rebel BEFORE Pink got shattered, as soon as the Homeworld gems learnt that a Diamond was shattered most of them probably ran and hid back behind their Diamond's legs before heading off to avenge Pink
The only ones who did rebel were the hardcore fanatics who wanted the Diamonds shattered and would probably be tempted to shatter Rose after they learnt she lied

it took seconds to prepare though and it was a prototype anyway
she probably could have had that thing rapid firing like a jackhammer on space steroids after some testing

>making headcanon assumptions

Ok.

They can't
>rise up again
when they're in a bubble in the Temple where only specific Crystal Gems can access. Shattering is cruel it doesn't even kill them it shatters their mind and leaves them in a irreversible state where their only desire is to "become whole" again. You can then bubble the shards so they're at least turned off but then why not just bubble them as a whole and spare them of a terrible fate. They would have shattered someone like Peridot who seemed totally on Homeworld's side, i.e. trying to crush Steven, without getting to know her or her potential at all.

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Ironically, that would have led to a much more interesting show.

>when the Diamonds evacuate authority forces so they can do their Song Bomb, Crystal Gem Loyalists manage to infiltrate and escape with them and begin to spread CG rhetoric throughout the empire
>Blue is so fucking depressed that she can't effectively run her quarter and the rebellion spreads like a wildfire, resulting in her being shattered
>Yellow becomes completely paranoid and totalitarian, weakening the loyalty of her troops and allowing the rebellion to spread there, too
>after Yellow gets shattered, White tells everyone that if the want the Empire they can have it and then fucks off to the other side of the universe, saying she'll be back when gemkind has finished fucking itself so she can start over
>the rebel factions rejoice
>at first
>turns out that while some gems have an aptitude for leading small groups, none of them are capable of running an actual empire because that kind of thing isn't why they were made
>nobody can agree what should be done or how things are to be run, and eventually the rebellion splinters into a thousand different factions each with their own ideas for how things should be
>5000 years of civil war results in gemkind very nearly going extinct, and since there are no ore diamonds to provide diamond juice for the kindergartens they can't make any new gems
>the show mostly revolves around Steven and the Crystal Gems protecting Earth from invading faction remnants who are all trying to reactivate the last functional kindergarten in the universe

And then when Steven finally saves the day, you have White Diamond show back up to straight fuck everyone in the ass.

>when they're in a bubble in the Temple where only specific Crystal Gems can access
and as soon as that bubble pops that person can escape and rise to power. shattering is grim and cruel but it is necessary. you must make sure that these systems can never come back, even if it means the destruction of countless leaders and their followers.

Are you just edgy or actually retarded? Not a SINGLE bubbled gem in the show EVER escaped bubbling as it was consistently showed to be impossible to escape while shards continued to be a clear danger.

well technically its not over yet. who knows? maybe season 6 is dealing with the fallout of the changes and the gem race is in complete disarray

>Fuck principles, this is war!

There was absolutely no hope of winning this war. Absolutely no hope at all.

The only way it worked was by making Earth so 'radioactive' that they left it.

>maybe

Yeah, maybe. And maybe monkeys might fly out of my ass.

You are a diseased murder junkie.

We have never seen a gem escape a bubble, they're completely stuck basically in a coma. For thousands of years the Crystal Gems have been bubbling every threat they came across and put in the Burning Room and not once did any escape by their own and it has never been raided hell that was never even a possibility seems like. The only gems who could potentially escape is a Diamond but we have no information about that.

>Not a SINGLE bubbled gem in the show EVER escaped bubbling
are you watching the same show? bubbles have popped many times, and if someone manages to elude recapture then its game over. shatter the person and then put them in the bubble so the only danger is the non sentient shards causing havoc rather than a ruthless dictator returning to power and reviving the old system.

complacent people like you are the reason why tyrants come to power.

Edgy larping AND retarded it is then.

>We have never seen a gem escape a bubble
can you read? no where did i say the bubble could be popped from the inside. the bubbles can be popped from the outside. a more powerful gem could then elude recapture after being unbubbled

seethe and cope, crystalfag.

>the bubbles can be popped from the outside

Yup. The bubbles that are located in a dungeon through a door that can only be accessed by five gems in the entire world.

Better hope Steven is feeling particularly magnanimous, otherwise your sorry ass isn't ever getting out of that bubble, bro.

The only time a whole gem was popped out of a bubble was because of Steven accidentally falling on it, that's the only way that could happen is if there's an accident since a raid is impossible seemingly. Steven wasn't an issue back when the war was on. There's little reason not to just bubble. Does someone like Jasper deserve to be shattered? Are they really a threat even bubbled? No not really. If the Crystal Gems weren't retarded and caught Jasper after the Malachite fight, instead of letting her fall in a ditch for no reason, then that would have been the last time we saw her.

The Gems captured every last one of those gems when there were THOUSANDS of them running around. One of them? No problem. They have experience.

That's something few people address. The Crystal Gems are the most elite warriors their kind ever produced due to the grueling, five thousand year gauntlet they endured. Fighting a seemingly endless army of monsters. And they WON.

And unlike your spurious claim, the bubbles rarely pop UNLESS A GEM TOUCHES THEM. Which is why they are safely stored in the heart of the temple.

>the reason why tyrants come to power
is that there are always idiots prepared to listen to speeches about 'sacrifices', 'glory' and 'by any means necessary'.

>The bubbles that are located in a dungeon through a door that can only be accessed by five gems in the entire world.
of which the gems can escape from the inside, one of which did and almost was able to elude recapture. and would have if she were a more powerful gem like a lapis or quartz. and if the entire rebellion survived like rose and bismuth intended there would be a lot more people who would know about the room and could fuck around in there.

Funny, really. They shouldn't have been so intimidated when Peridot showed up with Jasper.
The ship was a threat they could not match.

But Jasper? Just a big, strong gem? They had defeated thousands of those even before the Corruptening.

Hell, Pearl alone had done so.

>of which the gems can escape from the inside

...because Steven let her out of her bubble, dipshit. The entire point is that if you're already bubbled, you're fucked unless someone lets you out.

>Does someone like Jasper deserve to be shattered?
not him, but yes. jasper has shattered presumably thousands over the years, she does not deserve to be spared.

can you not read?

finally, good to know I'm not the only one that thinks shattering is a necessary evil
I always thought the show could use a gem with that mindset in the main CG crew
I know they introduced Bismuth, who DID have that train of thought, but it should have been from the start
Having someone like that who was always at contention with the other CGs about whether or not they should shatter the Corrupted Gems or Lapis/Peridot/Jasper/the Ruby Platoon when they showed up
Having them actually go through with it would also add way more to the show, and having them be their from the start, to have them be an influential figure for Steven would make Steven's development as a character even more interesting

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>edgy headcanon

I can read, but I'm having difficulty parsing the gibbering retardation that keeps spilling out of your shit-filled head. You need to think about what you want to say before you start typing, asshole.

well I don't know about thousands, she probably would not have needed to shatter many or if any gems after the rebellion. I think Eyeball mentioned how Jasper "took out" like 80 Crystal Gems on just her first day so she probably shattered quite a few Crystal Gems during the rebellion.

but that's the point Steven's naive, and he wanted to help other gems, imagine if Peridot was smarter in the moment she was freed and began freeing the other gems
BOOM suddenly thousands of corrupted gems are tearing apart the Temple from the inside out all because of ONE (1) freed gem, the only reason that didn't happen is because Peridot for some reason, despite being shown to be an intellectual gem capable of quick-thinking, didn't think to free the other bubbled gems
The same could have happened in the war, the CG poof, bubble and send an enemy gem to the temple
They then try to interrogate it, if the gem had any sense it'd work to try and trick them into freeing it then that gem could free it's other captured gem allies, which didn't happen because the show is for kids but in an actual war that could have been stopped if Rose wasn't a coward, swallowed her pride and used Bismuth's weapon

>disagrees with opinion because of his own lack of critical thinking
>starts to seethe and call names without argument
i will now accept your concession and apology.

Your argument relies on seasoned veterans being stupid enough to interrogate an unrestrained enemy soldier in a room full of bubbled enemy soldiers. You need to stop now.

This was never really a possibility in the show, I honestly would have liked it if bubbling or the Temple itself wasn't so OP because as is Bismuth's whole idea is just busted EXCEPT where the Diamonds are concerned. I do think there is a solid argument for Bismuth shattering the Diamonds but for the regular soldiers? No they're not a threat basically as soon as they're poofed.

>Your argument relies on seasoned veterans being stupid enough to interrogate an unrestrained enemy soldier in a room full of bubbled enemy soldiers
thats what the CGs did.

Presumably based off what? Pink Diamond is responsible for Jasper's existence and any of the gems she may have shattered in the war. She was made with the sole purpose of fighting against the Crystal Gems for Pink, and was essentially a child soldier forced into battle from the second she emerged. It would have been extra shitty of Pink to knowingly allow Jasper to be killed when Jasper was just acting out of loyalty to her, especially if she had a hand in building the beta kindergarten, and since she could have easily brought Jasper onto the Crystal Gem's side if she had told her the truth instead of manipulating She's already fucked up for lying to both of her armies and leading them into war against each other.

you say this like PD doesnt also deserve execution.

Well, we have already had a gorillion threads about how monumentally stupid that plot twist was and how essentially destroyed the motivations of every character so its a moot point.

no, she didn't want bismuth to use it because those were literally her own servants bismuth was going to shatter. the show glosses over that shit but it's probably the most evil thing rose ever did.

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should have been garnet. in fact garnet should have been merged with bismuth. would have been a good counterpart to her love schtick and would have actualy give garnet something non fusion related to do. plus there's predescent for her being an angry autist who solves problems with violence

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The other diamonds deserve execution, Pink and the other gems enslaved under their rule do not. Pink may have done some stupid and terrible things but there wouldn't have to have been a rebellion if the diamonds were willing to allow any gems their freedom.

pink deserved it the most. she started the entire war because she couldnt grow the balls to rebel herself.

The ends in this case actively go against the philosophy of the side
If one goes to use means that are actually not in line with the philosophy you started a war over, then your moral crumbles because its worth shit, and you are just fighting and not going to war, because a war is about ideas and you just betrayed your own
Rose also definitly believed in a way of resolving this conflict sooner or later in a peaceful way, which wouldve undoubtly become impossible or more complicated if they started shattering

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this is the true answer.
even with all the horrible things the diamonds and the caste system does, the gem species needs it to survive. deviating from it would lead to the destruction of gem society.

why would anyone even bother reactivating the kindergartens? without the caste system to keep gems maintaining them theyre virtually useless.

Aye, Bismuth was loyal to the cause, betrayed by her corrupt leaders each time.

She is coded black, so she can't anything rigth...at least that is the message...rigth?

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>plus there's predescent for her being an angry autist who solves problems with violence
I can't deny that, that'd be really cool

this

>tfw to intelligent too understand principles

when SU inevitable does an 'alternate universe' or 'alternate timelines' plot like every other cartoon this day, we will see some variant of this

The gem race stops dead in its tracks if the Diamonds are shattered, and consider the fact there's thousands of colonies out there in the galaxy. You think Peridot can manage all of t those? Put the Diamonds to work, let them fix the shit they've caused.

surprising literally no one, the very first post in this thread is one insinuating that Rose/Pink was a genuinely bad person, you people are just extremists at this point, go start a blog, post on twitter, do something else, fuck off already

No user, there's a small minority who are mad that the twist got the better of them and are trying to revise history that everyone hated it when it was almost universally liked and tied all the loose ends together.

Kill them. Gems are immortal and their race doesn't need to be expanded anymore if there are millions of them on each of their colonies.

Wanting to live doesn’t make somebody a bad person.

She likely didn’t want Bismuth to shatter her servants OR herself OR her fellow diamond sisters. She had lots if reasons for not wanting Bismuth to use the breaking point, really, but many of them come back to her being Pink Diamond.

If a gem shatters they're gone for good. These are finite beings and if you're fine with one being shattered why should Pearl etc. being kept alive?

Wouldn't Homeworld just resort to the corruption beam, if not worse, that much earlier if the Earth Gems escalated things like that?

Yes, as seen by what happened when a Diamond was "shattered".

You're the guy who was happy to watch the other trenches get gassed during World War I. And the first to bitch out and steal your buddy's gas mask once it got blown your way. Bismuth's weapon would easily be taken and used by her enemies, and since they had number advantage already... it'd be even worse for both sides

So what principle causes you to forgive and make friends with genocidal lunatics who massacre entire worlds for the fun of it, but revile and effectively execute people who are willing to use lethal force to stop said genocidal lunatics?

>You're the guy who was happy to watch the other trenches get gassed during World War I. And the first to bitch out and steal your buddy's gas mask once it got blown your way.
>AKCHUALLY, literally everyone that supports the use of lethal force in any context is le evil selfish bogeyman!

How do you even function, being this absurdly unaware of the world around you? What the fuck is wrong with you?

They had to establish Jasper as hot shit, duh.

If all the diamonds were shattered there would be no corruption beam

Not him, but Bismuth wasn't ever in danger of being executed (bubbling) and the Diamonds aren't psychopathic because they don't do what they do out of pleasure. I don't understand why this factor is being ignored in favor of pushing the "NAZIS!!11!!" narrative. Hitler had a choice, it's very clear that White was programmed to do what she did in some way.

Killing even a single Diamond would be hard, their abilities are really overpowered against their own race Blue was probably the weakest of the "evil" Diamonds and she could easily one-shot any assassination attempt by just feeling sad, but going for a multi-kill would be even harder.

Cool fanfic bro

There was never any logical way for Bismuth to successfully take down every Diamond even with a huge army. Yellow, Blue and White are hard counters to the entire gem race and the Breaking Point is mostly deadly towards Pink herself and everyone else below the Diamonds so that's why Bismuth had to be put down.

Disprove it.

again it was a prototype, we've seen weapons that aren't formed from a Gem's core be broken easily
The Robonoids
The Gem Destabiliser
Bismuth was able to make magic weapons and upgrades that could be fitted to the Gem Core weapons, she probably would've ended up making some sort of self-destruct system whenever a CG poofed
>inb4 but she poofed and it didn't break
Again it was a prototype, it hadn't even put through actual testing

This feels very Macross. I like it!

See, the problem here is that it would require Sugar to be a competent writer and show runner.

>Some user posts something completely at odds with the tone of the actual show (while still being interesting)
>Some putz comes in to wank the "Sugar is a hack" boner
Every time.

>why would anyone even bother reactivating the kindergartens?

To bolster their military power so they can finally wipe out the other dying factions? Or maybe just a desire to not go extinct?

That doesn't refute the assertion that she is terrible at the jobs she undertook.

The remaining gems would probably resort to something worse if that happened; like chucking asteroids at the Earth. Keeping the planet intact for the Cluster would likely no longer be a priorty.

plus, without gem society, chaos will ensue as gems have a hard time functioning outside their programming to the point of being nearly impossible in some areas. the rate of shattering would increase and without the caste system to operate machines or use their healing powers cracks will also become fatal. the gem race would slowly die off if the caste system is destroyed.

>guarantee
how? A steam piston is not going to make any noticeable difference when the invading force has a planet-wide "biological" nuke at their disposal. Bismuth was "right", but more importantly she was also retarded and extremely unchanging in her initial beliefs.

enemy morale would be horrible because none of them would want to fucking die you retard.

but how would they do that if they cant form a coherent society? if they got enough peridots to organize it then whats stopping the peridots from going apeshit thanks to the caste system breaking down?

Even if the Earth gems used the breaking point, all it would have done was accelerated the homeworld gems using the corruption beam.

I WANNA FUCK THAT
what's that one artist's name? the huge jasper-mark?

>but how would they do that if they cant form a coherent society?

Who the fuck said they can't form a coherent society? The caste system can't truly collapse because it's literally programmed into them. Look at any of the Crystal Gems; despite being "free" of the caste system, they still invariably fall into some variation of their intended function. Peridot was a kindergartener, and what does she do when left to her own devices? She grows crops. Her instinctual drive is to nurture.

Gems will have their own ideas of what should be done and who should be in charge, and with naturally align themselves along those lines. Gems like Agates are designed to receive delegation and give orders. They provide structure and direction, which other gems require.

The problem is that Diamonds have the sole responsibility of making all the big decisions that govern the empire. So you're going to have all these smaller groups of like-minded gems who think that what they want is the way things should go, but there's no Diamond to legitimize their way of thinking. So they're going to end up trying to wipe each other the fuck out -if there's only one group left, then their way of thinking will be the correct one by default.

This is all pretty simple stuff, man. I'm a little surprised that I'd have to explain it to you.

>none of them would want to fucking die
they're on the battlefield, death is a known and accepted outcome, you stupid fuck. Death by shattering is but one of the possibilities that happens when a gem gets poofed into their defenseless gem state.

no soldier has good morale, but that doesn't mean they don't have the drive to fight harder

i see what you mean, but i think youre thinking as if the gems are like humans, they are not. gems cant just fill in the roles of their superiors because they themselves cannot fulfill any of their roles besides the one they are given. for example peridots create quartzes in the kindergartens, peridots and quartzes need agates to be told what to do, agates need the elites to tell them what to do, the elites need the pearls to keep them focused on their work and rubies to keep them guarded (if sapphire is anything to go off of) and the elites need the diamonds to tell them what to do and the diamonds need their advisers to help take the workload off so they can be efficient, and then those gems need the ones that correspond to them. its like a building where every part is load bearing.
now, you would at least need one of each type of gems that corresponds with the kindergartens to even operate it and then more once production begins, then you would need some sort of fighting force to take over and hold the kindergarten, which would need more elite gems to keep them in line, and then you would need some kind of building crew to bring the kindergarten online since it would likely have been out of commission for a while, and also to build the proper structures once production begins. this sounds simple enough if they were humans, but from what it seems like gems dont really care about orders unless its from a direct superior gem or someone representing a direct superior gem. a gem of a higher or lower standing cant take the place of another higher or lower class (at least not very well).

to gems dead is a new concept you idiot, they dont die in the battle field, this weapond would surprice everyone
shit even the diamonds werent able to shatter the gems when they used their magic on the cristal gems, they just mutated them converting earth in a mutant infested mess

>but i think youre thinking as if the gems are like humans

No, I'm absolutely not. The problem is that you're completely misunderstanding everything I'm saying and making some pretty weird leaps in logic.

you guys are missing the point of a weapond like this
you only get to bubble gems if you win a battle, whit a weapond like this even when losing your enemy still lose soldiers
not only that, this was a prototype, the first version of the weapond, do any of you faggots think that the first pistol was as good as a modern rifle? shit this is just the start of a weapon revolution
anyway, the gems doesnt have a concept of death at this point, when they go to war they can relax, if they "die" in the battlefield the worst thing that could happend is getting captured, they can reform as long as they arent bubble, whi this weapond the meaning of war changes, now the lives of the soldiers are in the line too, its not just a task more, non of the soldiers were trained to dealt with dead, shit would scare them to the core

on the other hand this will also radicalise the war, now the diamonds need to take this little revelion serious and dealt with it before it gets out of control

i think that at the end of the day it wouldnt have change the outcome at all, the diamonds would still just magic mutate everyone

"Principles are a luxury afforded to women."

>you only get to bubble gems if you win a battle
You can bubble any gem that you manage to poof, even if you're losing the battle. It takes less than a second.

>the gems doesnt have a concept of death at this point
Yes, they absolutely do. They've been wiping out organics for thousands of years already and there's a clear precedent of the diamonds shattering their own people. They know what death is.

But user, wanting to kill genocidal dictators is bad. Especially when the main character is related to them.

Men have no principles?

you are misunderstanding though. you think random gems can take on the roles of others when that is literally not what they were programmed for and cannot do well.

I feel like she didn't want to use it because if she started shattering pro diamond gems then it would make this all very real and not just a game to her

>you think random gems can take on the roles of others

At no point did I claim or even imply that.

come on, buddy. You really think gemstones were always left unscathed when someone gets poofed? The weapon was dumb. Bismuth was dumb.

What fucking principles? The lie Pink Diamond specifically crafted just to get some Earth dick? The same lies she's couldn't even be arsed to pretend to follow?

>and the Diamonds aren't psychopathic because they don't do what they do out of pleasure
White certainly fucking did, and Yellow had no hesitation when it came to creating the countless Gem experiments that roam Earth.

your post does. making a gem society without one of each gem would be virtually impossible on anything but the smallest scale.

>your post does.

First off, no. It doesn't. Second, you don't have any idea what you're even arguing about any more. Go back and re-read my posts, then hang your head in shame. At no point did I ever say that gem society would function without gems.

Remember that this is all because you can't grasp the concept of gems trying to restart a kindergarten in an effort to increase their own numbers.

>The weapon was dumb.
Then let's give the weapon schematics to a species that can make it better. And deadlier!

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all of the diamonds did what they needed to do to keep gem society alive. a gem that does not fulfill its role is contributing to the destruction of its species.

are you fucking stupid? you need gems to start the kindergarten but the gems that can dont know what the fuck to do without an entire chain of command. for that they would have to create a new society. you are saying that a gem can just do something on a macro scale like operate a kindergarten entirely on their own. they cannot.

i will now accept your concession and apology for your pathetic attempt to sound more intelligent than you are. im waiting.

its called a gun, retard

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>but the gems that can dont know what the fuck to do without an entire chain of command.

A Peridot doesn't magically forget how to operate a Kindergarten if her commanding officer dies, you gibbering buffoon. I'm starting to think that you're just shitposting, man. Nobody can be that stupid.

>A Peridot doesn't magically forget how to operate a Kindergarten if her commanding officer dies
a peridot cant magically conjure up the supplies needed to run said kindergarten, you point dodging cretin.

now, get on with the apology and the consesion or try again.

Indeed, Rose was retarded.

I know I'm not the only one that thinks that the lore possibilities for the show were wasted, too. The Human-Gem War is almost never explored and essential parts of Gem history and culture is similarly talked about.

When I began to watch the show and get into it, I expected tons of worldbuilding and lore, but sadly they never delivered.

I was really autistic and began to think about some possible lore early on. I thought since the Gems were "made of light" or whatever, there's no way in hell these things are natural. They had to be artificial, and made. But by who? I thought it would be cool to see some sort of machine race later on in the series, the creator of the Gem race.

I thought the "creator race" would be machines since Gems are "programmed and specially designed" for certain jobs, just like a machine would be. This is all the creator race would know how to think. The Gems would still have a form of free will, if they vowed to be loyal to the machines, conquer worlds and supply them with resources. This is why the Diamonds (specially made Gems to rule over the rest) are so adamant about keeping Gems in line, they don't want to anger the machines.

I also thought about how the series would end by Steven convincing the Diamonds to rebel against the machines, freeing their race. They would agree, and maybe Steven would get help from the Humans too. So the series would end with Gems of all castes, fighting alongside humans (probably using Gem technology) to go the robot planet and destroy it. I also think this would be a appropriate because in this scenario, there is no way Steven could talk the robots out of fighting and becoming friends. They are cold, heartless machines bent on galactic domination. Steven would eventually destroy the robot planet.

Steven then learns about all the other civilizations the machines created/enslaved across the galaxy. He then forms a team of Gems and some humans to fly around and help them. The End.

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>The other diamonds deserve execution

Then most of humanity deserves it, too.

>"Her motivation for not condemning the enemy's slaves to a fate worse than death was purely selfish"

You are an idiot.

It seems such an obvious notion, doesn't it?

I thought it would turn out the gems were fighting a losing battle another advanced alien race. Your idea is pretty good though, I like it.

>I know I'm not the only one that thinks that the lore possibilities for the show were wasted, too.

I think we all think that.

I still expect for it to be revealed the Gems are artificial (White said she was 'supposed to be perfect'. Supposed - by whom?) and created by... the Sneople!

Ronaldo's mad blurtings been proven right about pretty much everything so far, but everybody ignores him because he's such a douchebag.

This meme needs to stop.

>Years after the war people on the winning side talk shit about the looser that cause the precived harm
Whoa user, no shit.
Every single crystal gem was a loyal homeworld gem before, they can't afford to scare potential recruits off.

Rose was RETARDED.

>Ronaldo's mad blurtings been proven right about pretty much everything so far, but everybody ignores him because he's such a douchebag.
Don't forget that he also tends to forget some minor details. Sneople are are real, but they're not snakes... They're dragon people. Why would snakes make pseudo-biological automatons out of gemstones when dragons are known for hoarding and, in some myths, eating gemstones?

Why you arguing about the politics of this gay looking show lol. Just turn your brain off, shits for children.

Given the situation she found herself in and the absolute lack of knowledge, training and experience and the limitations of her position, her cause was hopeless, and yet she succeeded.

As a human she may have been retarded, as a Gem and the saviour of the world against all odds she was a fucking goddess.

Daaaaamn

>this gay looking show

>Confirmed to never have watched it

Imbecile.

Since we are talking about DEEPEST LORE isn't it implied somewhere that there is a race off all-male beings that are based off of metals instead of minerals as a foil to the gems? Or was that some fanfiction I glanced at somewhere?

Metal men were just fanfiction and most likely will never be canon (see Bismuth).

>was that some fanfiction

Barely even that.

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SO would the diamonds of that universe be precious metals? Which one would be the white diamond equivalent?

Platinum, obviously.

But Rhodium is more precious.

I thought what you thought

And colored gems are more precious than white ones. It's not about how rare they are, it's about what they represent. Platinum is seen as "better than the best" (best being gold), so it makes sense it would be top dog.

Fusion needs to be a metaphor for platonic brotherhood

I suppose it can be any kind of deeply-felt intimate relationship.
They don't call it 'bromance' for nothing.

Nah bro, I tried watching the show, honest, but it was just too gay, I really don't know how else to put it.

how? the moment she gained freedom, she went from a builder to a freaking arms manufacturer.

Fair enough. Not everybody is the same.

Ideally you wouldn't bother battling with the shatter point. It's far less efficient than say a sword with a good penchant for disrupting gem forms.
popping and bubbling a gem seems to be as easy as popping and using the shatter point. That and Gems can teleport said bubbles to a safe area out of battle at at least global range.

Honestly this would have been a whole lot simpler if Rose had just backstabbed Blue in a moment of privacy (most immediate threat given her AOE sadness bullshit) ported said diamond to her base and walked the hell out of there. If she'd sufficiently planned she might of been able to pull off a double.

Wouldn't have had to kill anyone, just broadcast an image of them under the shatterpoint back to white after revealing herself. From there she can negotiate from a place of strength, though i'm not sure how you'd hold the diamonds the the promise. Either way, Bismuth was only wrong about how to use the shatter point. She wasn't aware of enough to follow my plan, but Rose should have used the opportunity, especially with how shatter happy the diamonds were being with her subordinates. Could have saved some lives, and worked out a better resolution with homeworld.

people act like guns are the be all, end all, but honestly, most guns are outdated military weapons even by conventional standards, let alone by advanced alien standards.

as always it's also a matter of plot. humanity in this show has access to planet buster tech and it's still on the verge of extinction.

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did they make an anime based of that muse song?

google says 'no'.

We see just how compassionate she is for even a basic Amethyst. She wouldn't want to shatter a single one, the fact she was leading both sides meant that she felt maximum empathy for her "enemies"

But gems literally don't require food or land or anything else that normally drives conflict, White is just autistic for caste systems.

I don't know, unless you literally ram a spacechip going near light speed into a Diamond, I don't think you can kill them no matter how hard you try.

>But gems literally don't require food or land or anything else that normally drives conflict

They do, though. Gems need to consume planets via kindergarten in order to reproduce. They also require resources to do shit like build giant flying hands.

I like the idea that the gems were actually made by ancient humans from one of them doomed magitech places, only they eventually fucked off into space so long ago that they don't remember where they came from.

One of the early prevailing theories was that Gems were Von Neumann probes created by a (possibly now extinct) alien race. It explains their odd behavior loops pretty succinctly.

Explore -> catalog -> replicate -> repeat.

that sounds good.

Dude, four outdated Crystal Gems brought Blue Diamond to her knees in open combat using good old brute force. A properly equipped, properly trained strike force pulling a surprise attack has a very good chance of smoking her.

Hell, if you had a big enough army you could probably just overwhelm a Diamond with sheer numbers.