Female Thor

If she had been a version of Thor from a genderwap universe, would she have been better received than she was by the community?

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The thing that bothered me about the whole thing was how Thor was clearly depressed about losing his hammer, not to mention his name, and almost none of his friends cared about it.
I mean, yeah, he gave Jane his blessing to use his name, but why would she even take it when she saw how much it bothered him. She's supposed to be his friend.

Beta Ray Bill was the only one who actually gave a damn about Thor's well-being.

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Forget gender swap universe. This could have happened in main continuity and it would have been better received.

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it doesn't help Jane wasn't an interesting or likable character during the whole thing, also it never made sense why would having cancer but refuse treatment would make you worthy.

I can't say it'd be impossible to write a female Thor into canon worse than how they did it, but goddamn would you have to try.

Only thing they didn't do was have her literally rip his testicles off in a two-page spread and crush them under some stiletto heels.

There is nothing inherently wrong with having a female Thor, especially since anyone with a brain knows it would be temporary. But Marvel went about in completely the wrong way by disrespecting the real Thor. Specifically, they had the real Thor renounce his name, as if his hammer is the one and only thing that defines him.

They also made the lamest possible choice for female Thor.

Beta Ray Bill, Ben Grimm, and Moon Knight are the three biggest Marvel characters that no matter how hard editorial or writers try, they can never write a bad story with them.

yeah Sif would had made such a better female Thor.

they tried too hard. "oh she has cancer btw". could care less.

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Unarguably yes

She’s a Valkyrie now

Female Thor isn't all that crazy. Thor Girl was a thing not too long ago. There is a fucking frog that pick a piece of mjolir. The problem with Whor, is that Her character comes a little bit hostile to Thor's lore and mythos.

She like her fighting Odin, and the idea of making Thor "unworthy" but Jane is. Shit like that.

>the fucking molecules of the Thing are imbued with such pure heroism it can turn a bitter villain into a hero

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Wtf is up with that outfit

Yes. People hated it because she exists basically to shit on the actual Thor. Also the idea that "Thor" isn't his fucking name is completely retarded. As is Jane being worthy when there are several female asguardians who could have taken up the mantle since they are actual warriors.

Alex Ross was asked to do designs by Wizard on what he thought a Marvel version of Kingdom Come would look like. They later used it for the Earth X series.

A Thor who is female isn't inherently bad, but they really wanted to have A modern woman Thor with cancer and it was a bad idea. They really wanted her to have cancer, what's up with that.

If she was from a genderswap universe would she still be named Thor, would Captain America still be a Steve, would Carol be drawn as a slim long haired man?

I was convinced when Civil War first came out. Ben prioritized saving lives from both sides being retarded than trying to win a pointless scuffle.

Didn't Thor have a female sidekick once?

It was more the "how" they did it than who.

Making Thor into a pathetic drunken loser while random lady is now Thor and is an incredible smug asshole about it for some reason and everyone in the universe just sort of accepted it. It's a weird slap in the face to anyone that liked Thor at all.

This kind of thing has happened before, and usually ends with Odin just having a new hammer made for the new worthy individual since they are a great and noble hero as well. But this story just kept on going and going with no Asgardian being remotely likable at all and consistently portraying them as angry alcoholics that cannot accomplish anything.

It was beyond stupid, if want female thor you could have storm lose her power gain and yield the hammer, seeing it's canon she is "worth" it would be 100 times better.
But again why would you need female thor?
Why dd they have to make female thor so fucking political?

I wonder if Aaron fucked up on its own or if it was editorial mandate, most of his stuff prior female thor was at least decent.

>Why dd they have to make a female thor?
Thor is a positive, masculine role model. I'm not saying it's a misandrist conspiracy, but it's a misandrist conspiracy.

I've wondered the same thing, but I'm inclined to believe it was an editorial mandate. I don't see why Aaron would piss on Thor like that unless he was told to. And even if he says it was all him, that could be a lie that his bosses make him tell.

Why would you want Carroll with a bunch of well written genderswaps?

News flash OP she was well-received the way she was

Car-Ell, her name is Car-Ell now.

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No user, she really wasn't.

Yes, especially considering they dropped most of the aditude after the first few comics.

Bendis wants to have a word with you.

I could hardly believe the guy who wrote fem-thor was the same one that wrote this page.

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Kek
I don't think they did. She was constantly belittling and humiliating all of the Thor mythos just cause.

And Bendis' stuff was written off as Marc being Marc. Can't touch Moon Knight, baby.

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Based Ray Bill.

This was basically how she was written and when 90% of your audience fits that mold it causes problems.

I mean, the guy that wrote that forgot that Jane was married with a child until the very end of the run.

a lot of stuff from Straczynski's run was forgotten like the fact that Thor had to put part of his own soul in Mjolnir to repair it after Borr broke it, I remember when it was revealed that Jane was fem thor i speculated that the fragment of Thor's soul was what allowed Jane to lift the hammer instead of her been actually worthy.

i can assure you she was, even there.
Even if someone wants to push a different narrative.

ups meant to quote this

she was well received by people and media that cares nor actually reads comic books

that doesn't care*

Didn’t her run sell ok?

Alot of the time with comics characters will go through struggles and hardships but their canonical friends don't show up, because either they don't serve the story or the writer doesn't want to spend time on multiple heart to hearts.

Like, there was that whole thing where Stark built Thor a whole Asgard but they never talk about it or show Thor being excited about it. I think you're just supposed to shrug and assume the missing characters MUST be doing something world-endingly more important.

That said, it's pretty bullshit we never usually have the hero's friends all coming and palling around their comrades when they're in pain. So many characters seem disjointed and isolated because of it.

It sold about a fourthh of a regular Thor storyline.

It never sold amazingly well, but it has nonstop praise from all online news outlets and social media the entire run. Everyone loved the concept but didn't really bother buying the book. Still they congratulated Marvel for doing it over and over and over again.

Female Thor was DOA because the writing was such shit. Her origin is irrelevant if the story is unreadable.

That's all well and good, but we're not just talking about characters off-screen, we're talking about characters whithin the story itself, namely Jane herself, who was at first reluctant to take the name and like two issues later demands everyone call her Thor.
It's like Aaron knew Thor was getting treated like shit and included those moments of hesitation from Jane just so he could brush off any criticism after going full "Thor's a woman now, shitlord".

>nonstop praise from all online news outlets and social media the entire run
They'd praise shit if the ass farted the right tune.

>Fake news pushing an agenda
How novel

>it's not an edit

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Not by much.
They pushed the feminist agenda far too hard for far too long

Wow lmao, this is perfect.

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>scenes women will never understand

>I’m you, but better

It wouldn't matter because she was such awfully written as others have mentioned. I want to see Red Norvell back in action.

A genderswap Thor would be better written than female Thor though

Absolutely.

>most of his stuff prior female thor was at least decent.

If you say so.

They'll retcon it as a hallucinatory incident resulting from her reaching Kree puberty and going into heat for the first time.

True. But I would rather have Based Red Norvell

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Ultimate Thor would’ve been cooler.

Female ultimate Thor?

Yes because then we could have a female Odin follow and having a cantankerous, irritable homeless woman wandering around the universe with supreme godlike power could be funny.

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a self righteous hedonist absorbed in their own godhood.

I could have gone with that.

Actually using the name like is a title would have been less of a mess at least.

It got average post JMS Thor numbers after the #1s and #2s. It's funny how it is rarely talked about anymore aside from a few comments about how hard it sucked. I guess the shills have moved on to Carol Danvers.

Well he did the schtick for almost five years and didn't seem to not enjoy it

Thor is so lucky to have such an amazing friend.

Yes

I don't like Jane

They should've just done it 10 years ago before outrage culture and had it be fem Thor, not Jane. No one cared about fem Loki.

This brings tears to my eyes...

I find that alot of people share this opinion, can't say I blame them thanks to the Jason Aaron's female Thor run. I myself don't really care much for the character. If we had to use a female character from Thor's cast of Characters legit Lady Sif or someone like that probably would have been better but oh well what's done is done.

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>would she have been better received than she was by the community?
What community, this one? Because Thor's sales never dwindled and in fact went up since the previous Aaron run, she never really showed any signs of being rejected beyond places like this one, who shouldn't be taken as the serious voice of what the comics scene as a whole thinks about things.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is invited to prove it with numbers, even though Comichron agrees with me.

yes

>If you say so
well i did say decent, I'm willing to admit that his Hulk run was kind of stupid but the fun kind of stupid.
But I can unironically say his Ghost Rider run is not only the best thing Aaron ever wrote but is also is legit one of the best Ghost Rider books ever made.

Personally I would have preferred Valkyrie or Sif temporarily taking up the mantle. Or take a page from the mythology and have his daughter Thrud do it.

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Probably not.

She'd still kinda be treading on Valkyrie's toes...

Based.

Wasn't Odin pissed off at Jane for stealing his sons name?

Goddamn it why is Bill consistently the best character in Marvel? Why couldn't the MCU have made a movie about him rather than Captain Marvel? He's objectively a better character

Of course.

It wouldnt have been a convoluted replacement.
Thor was made un worthy because (reasons) then they give his hammer to fucking Jane Foster and suddenly shes "the who wielded it best".

Of course alternate universe female Thor would be fine.

>having cancer but refuse treatment would make you worthy
Wth, that's not even empowering but self destructive. I hate how feminists try to push bs on to their character and then they play the victim and call people misogynistic when it's not well received, especially when the female characters are written to stick it to the man when that isn't necessary

Why did Mjolnir have to be more responsive and do more "tricks" for her? If Odinson is supposed to be the greatest god there ever was (Aaron's words), then why is Jane the one smiting Shi'ar deities? And then when she brings the Mangog upon herself, she's able to handle him without the Odinforce???

Wtf man

No.

What made Jane-Thor shit was how Thor became unworthy and how shitty he was treated, and how shit Aaron's writing Jane-Thor was. Not to mention part of how mad readers got was Marvel's "shit on characters readers like to prop up SJW replacements" "shit on readers" "shit on good writing" "shit on everything" directive.

Making her an AU Thor doesn't change that.

I hate the comics but this is not the case. She went through treatment but the Thor magic rejected all foreign substances from her body so it reset every time she transformed.

She literally refused treatment from Asgard.

Asgard could have cured her, but she refused it because she said it wasn't fair for her to get magic healing when all the other cancer patients on Earth couldn't.

But she was on chemo.
Everytime she turned into Whor, it would cancel out the process of curing the cancer, reverting her progress.

Of course it was obvious that she would eventually be magically cured, but only upon sacrificing herself and refusing magic cures left and right. Even the resolution for the entire thing was boring and predictable. Destroying Mjolnir was just being petty on Marvel's part.

I honestly don't remember that. I was talking about chemo. Her decision is really fucking stupid.

Which is retarded as fuck.

Obviously, she was on chemo. And the Thor magic undid her treatment. But Asgard could have cured her right away, and refusing it because there are other people with cancer is stupid. She was on the fucking council and could have spread out Asgard's treatment to the world. But oh noooo, gotta have that retarded drama for retarded reasons.

If Aaron had made her cancer uncurable by Asgard, its one thing, and actually would have worked in the story. But by having Asgard have a cure, and making Jane fucking retarded in refusing, why should anyone give a shit about her being sick? At that point, we're not reading about someone struggling with a sickness. We're reading about someone who is pretending to make some great sacrifice, wallowing in their angst.

>Destroying Mjolnir was just being petty on Marvel's part.
While the new Hammers look cool and all, I still miss the good old hammer. hopefully they rebuild it some day.

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He's gonna get it back the end of this (final) arc. He's already got the Destroyer's arm and he's about to lose an eye hanging off Yggdrasil. Eye-- for the trifecta!

Also, I can almost guarantee Odin bites the dust

Why do they keep empowering and then repowering him. It is so annoying.

They're creatively barren. No surprise there.

He couldnt make it incurable by Asgard because it was obvious it would be cured by magic in the end.

Saying she could be cured but refused treatment because others would die because they dont have access to that treatment while she lived was their simple minded way of making her brave, while in the meantime as a doctor she should be able to see that whats important is saving whatever life you can, however you can. And it leaves the door for her to be magically cured later and since she didnt even want it before, to the idiotic minds at Marvel, this makes her deserve it.

She died though. Getting raped by an old Thor villian.

Considering it wouldn't have been a retarded mystery that went on for a fucking year, yes

This.

>He couldnt make it incurable by Asgard because it was obvious it would be cured by magic in the end.
Ehhhhh. That knot gets untied by making the magic cure a one time thing because of special circumstances. Just like every other time they do this kind of cure.

They already have precedent for this sort of thing, but they still decided to be incredibly stupid about it.

Yes. Because the insistence "this is Thor" made me unreasonably angry with Thor isn't his superhero title. It's his fucking name.
If it was just a female version of Thor from another universe it would have been cool.

Doctor strange already got a cute for cancer in the cure.

It was a cute for everything actually. All diseases, old age and even homosexuality.

There are many other, better ways to write this.

Im just offering an explanation as to why they may have done what they did the way they did. It doesnt make sense to me that Asgard couldnt effectively treat cancer in a person out the one time. Thats more of a limitation for some wish granting thingamajig.

That's absurd. Op could never not be a faggot.

Magic can do magic.

Yeah, but that's some rewrite the rules of reality shit.

Beta Ray Bro

Jane Foster belongs in whatever limbo Donald Blake gets banished to.

Thor being turned into a woman in an alternate universe, or a female character getting the powers of Thor, have both been done before and no one complained. The difference is all about how it's presented and handled. Unlike what came before, Jane-Thor was an obnoxious shitshow that spat in the face of every single fan of Thor as both a character and a franchise.

Sif, Brunhilde, Tarene, there's a bunch of characters that would have been better suited. Sif's solo was great, even though it was axed prematurely in favour of relaunching yet another shitty Carol book that no one liked.

But even if a more appropriate character was used, presentation matters. Sif or Valkyrie getting the powers of Thor is all well and good, but if either one of them were pushed as being "actually Thor now! Fuck off, Odinson!" with Thor himself being a pathetic loser who could only wish to be as good a Thor as them, they would have been just as reviled as Jane-Thor.

BRB wouldn't hit those sweet, sweet progressive points that Captain Marvel does, and they probably thought no one would take "Horse Thor" seriously. I think it's for the best that he's relegated to easter egg status only.

Why is that the line in the sand for your? Reality warping is a literal power in the comics.

Yeah, never heard of magic breaking the rules of reality. What a crazy thought

agreed if everything was the exact same as the Jane-Thor run but if it was with a different with character, People would still hate it. As for Bill not being in the MCU, I think that's a good thing because while I like some of the MCU movies. the Bill in the MCU would not be Bill. He wouldn't have Storm bringer, He wouldn't be given the chance to left Thor's Hammer and he probably wouldn't even get his comic book outfit because they think it look "too close" to thor's. the only thing an MCU Bill would have in common with Comic Bill is name, face and maybe backstory. Thinking of it now there a few characters I'm about hesitant about wanting or even seeing in the MCU because they probably would have very little in common with there comics selfs but that's a story for another day.

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i dont understand why ben must continue to suffer. i hate the fantastic four but keeping ben stuck in that body is a mistake. at least give him periods of being able to be human. let him be able to feel the warmth of his fucking wife. make it like a werewolf thing where once or twice a month he can be normal, at least

I liked when doom made him a ring to transform just as an f.u to Reed.

I remember reading that story. True classic.

>female Thor
Imagine...

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The bait and switch from that mini still pisses me off. What a waste of good art.

But that moment with Bill was great. As are all moments with Bill.

What a missed opportunity to have a run with this look and that hammer.

I really want a Bill movie, but at the same time I really dont because I know they'd fuck it up and make it a marvel quip fest instead of a fantastical tale about a stoic space warrior that helps those in need.

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what they need is a bill and thor buddy cop movie where thor is the one fucking around and being playful. that way they can still put in jokes without messing up bill.

maybe thor can have thunderstrike made for bill, but in the end hands him storm breaker after realizing bill truly is worthy and needs a kings weapon to protect his people, something thor failed to do

Technically speaking it is since the kids of the Future Foundation found a way to arrange it pretty much like that.

But it would appear everybody has forgotten about that.

>i hate the fantastic four but keeping ben stuck in that body is a mistake.

Go to bed, Victor.

>i dont understand why ben must continue to suffer. i hate the fantastic four but keeping ben stuck in that body is a mistake
They actually solved that in Future Foundation. He can spend I think 1 day a Year normal. It has a drawback of him only being able to age during that 1 day.

Yeah that would have been pretty great. Aside from the haircut. Not a fan of short haired Thor.

>Thor be travelling with the Guardians
>It's hilarious but also sad
>They encounter an alien fleet
>Billions of refugee Korbinites
>They are on the run from Surtur's people
>Now that he has fulfilled his destiny, their prophecy has come to pass and they have set out to conquer the universe
>The Korbinites have long-since evolved past war, they have no warriors
>They had to painstakingly create one
>A misunderstanding between the extremely straight-laced, borderline Judge Dredd Beta Ray Bill and Thor, who has pretty much been climbing the walls of the 'Milano' with frustration, leads to an epic, twenty-minute battle ending with mutual respect and understanting
>Thor is finally laughing again
>He vows to help Bill fight the fire demons
>Peter Quill, not about to be outdone, vows to protect the Korbinites

>Anyway, Thor sacrifices his life in glorious battle with the fire demon queen, Sindr, who is every bit the terror her father was
>He bequeathes Stormbreaker to Bill
>He enters into a dimension of light, welcomed by his father and mother and friends
>Even Loki is there
(Okay, this may be a bit too schmaltzy)
>Quill, for a moment, taps into his ancestral power and becomes Star-Lord, all serious and terrible
"Afraid of fire...? I am the Master of the Sun!"

Hell, make the Master of the Sun the father of Ego. He called himself a Celestial, after all.

>he gave Jane his blessing to use his name
An effort by the writer to make fans accept her. "See, Thor's okay with it, now stop pointing how how shit this is!"

>Goddamn it why is Bill consistently the best character in Marvel?
Because he's included so rarely they haven't run out of things for him to say yet, he has no filler.

Thank God I haven't had a reason to post this in ages.

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Alpha Ray Bill, bro-est of bros.

what happened to ultimate thors hammer? didnt it land in 616?

Volstagg picked it up, I don't know how it ended.

No.

And Omega Ray was even worse.

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He became War Thor to battle Sindr and her hordes; eventually he fought the Mangog and got pwned. I don't remember if the hammer was destroyed.

(...)

Oh there it goes. Well that's harsh.

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Female Thor was okay, the only thing that fucked her over was Aaron's ham fisted writing.

well. that was a lame finish

100%
She would have been a Yea Forums waifu just like FemLoki.

Even if they had just gender bent Thor for a couple of runs, I would have been cool with it. He just randomly gets cursed, and as a result, he was a girl for like 3 storylines (the one where he gets turned into a girl, an avengers crossover, and the one where he gets turned back). And at first, its embarrassing, but he's a warrior and he treats it more as a common cold after a while, everytime someone who knows him sees him 1they're like "what the fu-" and he's just like "curse." and leaves it at that.

But I just feel like giving away a characters whole name is a cheap way of trying to kill them.

Nope. The argument would simply be reversed. People here just come to complain.

>refuse treatment
she wasnt refusing treatment, the hammer was healing the treatment, because cancer treatment is basically poison

Yes.

It has to:
A) Not have a feminist slant. No politics. Absolutely nothing.
B) Not replace Thor himself
C) Make her from an alternate universe or something or not a serious canon
D) You should probably genderbend Loki too if you're going to go that far. Genderbend everyone from that universe.
or
E) Just make a fucking new character instead of subverting an iconic male superhero.

Work on your reading comprehension, moron.

She repeatedly refuses Asgard's treatments. She had a guaranteed cure, but chose not to because... reasons.