ITT: The biggest Yea Forums jobbers

It does whatever writers want it to do when they have it be used. Sometimes it's sins, other times it's guilt, writers don't give a shit.

>feel the suffering you have caused
>lol I don’t feel like it
You could live five lifetimes and still not make up for civil war 2 electric boogaloo carol

He's fucking useless.

Even the Shocker kicked his ass one time.

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Because they love killing in cold blood:)

Both of them

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>I regret nothing.
So the penance stare doesn't work on psychopaths or sociopaths, making it basically useless.

If you combine these instances, the implication is it would only work on people with very specific insecurities. And is pretty much worthless against anyone who kills without remorse.

HULK IS THE JOBBEST THERE IS

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The stare only works on who deep down blames himself for something you fucker.

The idea that Frank doesn't at least partly blame himself for his family's death and suffer guilt over it, kind of ruins the whole concept of the Punisher though.

The problem is it's either overpowered, destroying literally anyone, or it's worthless, not working on anyone who matters. This is what happens when rules aren't clearly defined/ignored by writers.

Let's not count super hero / villain. The penance stare didnt even work on a literal normie

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I think that's a result of him being such a decisive character. Some writers think he's the coolest bruiser ever and should live up to his claim. Others just see him as a big stupid lug. One minute he's soloing a screaming Black Bolt on his own turf, the next he's getting knocked around by street level characters.

Ah yes, the penance stare effect

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I haven't read that many stories where the Living Laser is important, but from what I've seen regarding his stated feats/abilities he should be incredibly powerful and has an ability set that should put him above characters like Captain Marvel but I only ever see him treated like a mook.

Martian Manhunter should be OP as fuck, instead he always gets a headache.

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Worked on Deadpool and Dr Strange though, Wade got up and punched Blaze in the face after but it did work, Strange would've been in a coma if Numecet hadn't showed

Because the writers never really understood or remember the Rider's powers

Both characters in major motion pictures around the time these comics were released, writers clearly using the stare as a way to push how powerful they're trying to pass someone off as

The Shocker is cool. I wish he didn't job so much

The real problem is the writers throwing characters who should never cross into each other in order to upsell one of them. Ghost Rider is a spirit of righteous vengeance, his territory should never cross into the Punisher’s or Captain Marvel’s for something as odd as to show them resisting the Penance Stare.

It would be like having the Flash fight Batman so flash can show his super speed makes him immune to Scarecrow’s fear gas.

The fact that it didn’t outright kill Strange is prime jobbing

The Marvel Job Squad

They were the baddies in the first comic I can remember reading, an old issue of Thor. I thought it was pretty epic because the Wrecker killed an old lady and Thor went Avenging Son on him.

But anyway the only reason these losers show up is to get curb stomped.

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Fpbp

Welcome to shit writing 101. Just like I always say, lack of consistency with anything is what's killing comics.

t. powerlevelfag

Me too, user.

Me too. :(

And it fucking pisses me off too

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>Frank wins the fight by choking Ghost Rider out with his own chain
>even though GR should be extremely stronger than him and you'd think anyone else would have thought to try that when fighting GR over the years
wew was that comic retarded

His costume is uninspired, but his origin story was aces.

I hate that to beat him you just have to cut his blatently unprotected Venom intravenous line. You'd think after the fourth or fifth time it happened Babe would redesign his rig, but noooo...

It should be overpowered, but limited. Like maybe only when both Jonnhy and the Spirit of Vengance really want to fuck someone up. That way it doesn't end up used on literal jobbers since Jonnhy would say thats a bit overkill and not on heroes for the battles they like to do since they are either innocent and its a misunderstanding or Jonnhy wouldn't want to kill them.
There are much simpler ways to write it so its not "Fuck you i am inmune to your trump card"

He didn't actually personally kill them though. That's like saying it would work extremely well on a pacifist who never hurt anyone in their lie but does a lot of charity work and feels responsible for all the people they didn't have time to help or something.

Penance Stare aside, Johnny is pretty fucking powerful. He solo'd Green Scar Hulk.

Ghost rider rarely has to go all out due to the fact he mostly deals with only somewhat superhuman characters and magic, not 'i crack the planet with my steps'

also while the thanos comic gave us cosmic ghost rider, Thanos strength was super fucking dumb there

>can one shot galactus and like 10 celestials
>has trouble with silver surfer with a hammer
>young thanos curbstomps thor surfer
>old thanos and young thanos fight evenly

Right? But writers nowadays just think of him as some big primative brute when he is nothing like that. They should take some aspects from TDKR Bane (like his intelligence and character design) and just intergate those things with comics Bane.

No. It doesn't. It works on anyone. The entire point is that it's a holy tier ability that applies every ounce of pain and suffering you caused in the past onto you. Otherwise, no demon hit by it during Ghost Rider's comics would give 2 fucks and just keep going because they don't have any moral compass. It's not about your percieved deeds at all and entirely about what you HAVE done. That's why it worked on Galactus in the past despite Galactus not giving a fuck about life because he knows eventually he'll consume everything and cause entropy and the big bang.

how many times has it jobbed?

the only time it should not work if something interferes with eyes like being interrupted

And make it it difficult to take out those venom tubes for God's sake.

Stopped his heart, Blaze did cpr, but Strange was brain dead until Numecet fixed him
Member when Black Panther tried to stare Blaze and got kicked in the nuts

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Alejandra was a shit Rider but at least the dumb bitch could hit multiple targets with the stare

didnt she have a bunch of unique powers as well?

like weather control and shit

it seems like each rider has its own unique additional powers

More like she was trained her whole life to tap into Zaratho's full potential and Adam having a degree of control over her, they even state that Blaze never did anything like that because he just never gave it a try

I suppose, even than theres still the occasional weird gimmick each rider occasionally has.

also what about riders who dont have zarathos?

>Penance Stare only works on good people or those that are good deep down
What a useless fucking ability for a guy sent by a fucking devil to hunt lost souls or whatever convoluted background Ghost Rider has now

The point is that he doesn't blame himself for what he does as the Punisher.

>Galactus not giving a fuck
That's another big fat lie right there.

They really need to decide how the penance stare works. This guy's insane, feels no remorse for his actions, and can't even feel any pain. But the penance stare still burns his soul.

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Congratulations, you remember and care more than most of Marvel's current writers.

Was... was that a DOUBLE dab?!

This is from when they had editors and HAD DECIDED how it worked. It's not remotely complicated.

He didn’t though. He just rolled up, saw he’d get his ass kicked, and drove away.

wasnt it more he could have fought him but felt his rampage was just?

if you wanted to dickride the punisher and have him win you could have said that he's never killed innocent people

No. He rolled up, got into a fight that he got stomped in and THEN the Spirit of Vengeance kicked in and Strange basically went "well this either goes our way or not" because the Ghost went "Dude, Im not interested in someone who's never actively done bad shit" and drove off, Most of the chapter was Johnny wrestling with the Spirit over even starting the fight and Strange betting that the Spirit would get involved and kill Hulk. But it didn't and Strange was "Well thats one card off the table".

Innocence has no factor in the Penance Stare. You could kill murderers, pedos and whoever else but you STILL get hit by the Spirit of Vengeance regardless. It's not the Spirit of Justified Punishment.

yeah even a normal person would be hurt bad by it, i remember it was either johhny or whats his face that revealed he can even feel minor sins like thinking about hurting someone

Wasn't it about the harm you've done to innocents? There was a whole "innocent blood" theme going on.

No. It's all sins, regardless of who you inflict them on. What matters is if the Spirit of Vengeance WANTS to bust your ass with the Penance Stare because of what you did. He wouldn't just throw that at you because you stole a snickers bar but if he did, you'd feel the weight of your sins regardless.

I wonder how Johnny would feel about Devil Hulk. Dude legit killed somebody.

The Stare forces you to endure what the people felt you tormented. So that is simply bullshit.

With the Punisher I can just about accept it.

Mainly because he's empowered by Hell, even though nobody refers that anymore.

This, on the other hand...

Fuck that wriiter.
Fuck his (?) work.
Fuck everything they will ever undertake.
May the Almighty blast them from the face of the Earth.

Everything they do has a cosmic purpose...
They once jobbed to the Beyonder to guide him to his ultimate destiny.

THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS

Most writers don't seem to understand that Karnak has no actual super powers. It's all training, knowledge and mental discipline. And it still doesn't work if you lack the strength to exploit the weakness you detect.

And how many writers remember Black Bolt has other powers besides his voice?

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1) That was Professor Hulk who doesn't get stronger when he gets angrier and is more reserved anyway.
2) Those were Doctor Octopus' new adamantium arms.

No it doesn't...
It's a hellish power that FORCES the subject to face what he did to others.

He's used to that pain.
Or rather, he spends every waking moment dealing with it.

....Johnny Sorrow makes your mind explode when you see him. The idea that pasty-faced bitch can just...
Ugh.

His telepathy is not a super-power. For him, it is a normal means of communication with other Martians, a sophisticated people who viewed evil as an abnormality.

Honestly, he probably avoid using it around the rowdy, savage hordes of Earth.

He's not cool. He is like us.
And his power set is very limited.

I did NOT like how they handled it in Homecoming. How many writers think he emits electroshocks? Frank Tieri apparently did...

Which is... retarded. Individually they are as strong as the Thing or stronger. And they are a pretty good team.

Two, if we may assume Bushwacker is dead.

That wasn't Johnny, that was the spirit itself. And he decided he didn't disagree with what Hulk was doing. The fight is indecisive. Nether of them are pushed closed to their limits before it ends.

This.
The Ghost Rider hasn't always been High-tier cosmic/supernatural, but the Spectre has jobbed so frequently as the Avenging Angel of God that its ludicrous.
I don't think the pasty fucker has even done as much avenging as The Punisher.

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I don't think the venom tubes stuff has been used much recently actually. Batman just straight up beat him up twice in their last encounters - when he took over Gotham during Forever Evil and in King's run (although that was retconned as all part of his convoluted plan).

>(although that was retconned as all part of his convoluted plan)
>getting caught WAS part of his plan
Did it involve shooting a man before pushing him off a plane?

The problem is the writers at DC and Marvel don't care about characters beyond who is popular or who they personally like.

In the end if you're not the main character of the book or the favorite of a writer you're history, personality and abilties are nothing but footnotes.

Thor is the biggest Jobber at Marvel, but that's because he's the dedicated Worf of Marvel.

Yes. Too many writers sharing the same characters for decades.

It's unironically why Batman became Batgod. A slow creeping favoritism of writers wanting to do a Batman but wanting to use different characters; So eventually you have Batman beating everyone.

Should be like Zatanna, that its overpowered but very conditional power which is relatively trivial to block. Like simply punching him in the face disrupts the process, or throwing sand in his eye sockets. So Ghost Rider would actually need to use his chains to wrap up the victim before staring it to death.

Based, Carol is the best and has never done anything wrong
Haters BTFO

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>The idea that pasty-faced bitch can just.
She's a brainless blonde so theres no mind to explode.

Is bane autistic?

>escapes maximum security prison in south America
>swims all the way to Gotham just to break batman

Bane is not content with his life if he can't break Batman's spine every once in a while. You do it once and you're hooked forever.

Exactly.

That's pretty much how stories like this get published.

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You made this exact same thread like two days ago. Go outside.

>Thor is the biggest Jobber at Marvel
>has trouble with Apocalypse
Fuck, man.

Punisher was in it.

It was always retarded. The retard was you for ever reading it.

Ther's no way out of it in cape comics tho

mirin those panels, though

>comic with punisher
>not a solo run
Big red flag right here

Apocalypse himself is a pretty big jobber.

He’s not wrong

The only consistency needed is the within a writer's own run. Continuity is overrated as fuck, the right way to read big 2 is to treat each writer's run as its own thing unless he/she references something else

Immediately after delivering this "I have no structural weaknesses" line, Medusa's hair gets inside the armour and tears it apart. Karnak jobbed for nothing.

How can one man be so BASED?

>two pages later

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Just because he ended up being a massive masochist doesn't mean it didn't work on him.

Didn't get a reply in the last thread so I'll ask again: if you stand on your arms upside down and GR looks at you, does the stare work?

>He's not cool. He is like us.
>And his power set is very limited.
Herman is the most genious and inventive engineer. He is very strong and very quick, and sometimes sly. He is the perfect IRL villain. One such as Herman would never betray. He would shock unselfishly. He would not need any iPhones, cars, or apartments. He is the ideal. He's my God!

Yes, but you experience all the suffering upside down, so it's both torturous and confusing.

Has the Punisher killed an entire country before?
He decided that everyone born in this country is guilty of generations of genocide, and wiped them all out.
Then went after Israel next.

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Punisher hasn't killed a country but did drop a nuke on an island of mercs, killing about 2,000 people in one go.

We already had this fucking thread and I already said back then that there's no point on calling the characters "jobbers" if you don't fucking say who exactly did this so you can avoid, and it was specifically Donny Cates and Jason Aaron, jesus christ.

In fact, holy shit, just did CTRL-F and my post was the very first mention of the two hack writers in the entire thread. What is wrong with Yea Forums?

THE biggest jobber.

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Fuck off bendis

We know.

Which makes no sense since it works on Wolverine. But then again it was Ketch using it and not blaze,reyes or lady rider. They all have bootleg stares, they're not the "fire that will judge the world like Noble kale/Danny Ketch is.

If you piece it together from the 90s and 2006 series Zarathos is the original and was defeated by Mephisto then some shit involving heaven or the medallion created the other spirits from Zarathos's essence, just ignore 1,000,000 BC that's just Aaron contradicting himself

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Time for an instance where it actually works as it should.

This was clearly setting Madcap (who wasn't really associated with anyone at the time) up as a Ghost Rider baddie, but I think it was over a decade or so before they encountered each other again.

What the fuck happened to Jason Aaron?his GR run back in 07-08 was fucking great now its just like he hates the character

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Imagine being brain washed this much

They weren't created from zarthos, the Spirits of vengeance fought him. They all got absorbed Into the medallion of power.

It wasn't that great, it's just better than Way's run. It's like a ugly girl standing next to a hideous looking girl, the ugly one doesn't look so badd in comparison. Plus that's where the whole penance stare doesn't work if you don't feel bad bullshit comes from.

>great
So that wasn't where the whole angel retcon came from, right?