Thanks to the MCU, is Iron Man now as iconic as Batman and Superman? Does Marvel finally have its first iconic hero?

Are you 12 years old? Because the only way I can see you asking this question is if you were a baby before Iron Man 1 came out.

Spider-man has always been Marvel's iconic hero.

no

Your not even trying at this point

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No. and I don't understand why you feel the need to keep making this same thread every so often.

Spider-Man was definitely Marvel’s first iconic hero but yeah Iron Man might have passed him up at this point. People generally have a better opinion of Iron Man than they do Superman.

still not as iconic because he doesn't even have an icon
spider-man is still more iconic
I'm also pretty sure Iron Man doesn't sell that much merchandise

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>he doesn't even have an icon
He has 2. The arc reactor and the Iron Man helmet.
>I'm also pretty sure Iron Man doesn't sell that much merchandise
None of the Avengers member do individually. They only sell when it's as a team. Same thing with the GOTG.

Kids fucking love Spider-Man, I'd say he's still iconic.

I can't think of anyone who could match him. He's certainly the iron man that comes to mind first when I think of the name.

Iron Man is pretty popular with the nips at the very least, he's gotten a lot of import figs

>He has 2. The arc reactor and the Iron Man helmet.
none of which are iconic and the helmet is specially reaching

Let’s see if the characters popularity stays where it is now that Robert “Down Here, Junior” is done playing himself

Marvel won't be able to have another Iron Man for a long ass time, specially because they want to keep this same continuity for as long as they can, so he will fade into obscurity eventually

Doubtful, considering how much the comics just shit down Tony's throat nonstop.

>nips
Koreans and Chinese too.

No. The superhero also needs to have memorable comics and stories. Marvel’s big two are Spider-Man and Wolverine.

MArvel has managed to whittle down the Hulk's popularity to nothing now.

They are iconic to the generation that grew up with the MCU movies.

>most old people and even some normies

Even my grandma know who's Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Spider-Man, Hulk... but Iron Man? he's a nobody for them, who cares right? they all will die soon.

Checkmate DCuck

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Most of the global south apparently.

In the popular imagination, the movies versions have eclipsed the comics. Tony Stark is RDJ to them in the popular imagination and isn't really similar to the comic Tony.

>Your
I know english is your second language but at least try a little harder

nice cyborg shirt bro

Immortal Hulk is really popular right now though. The last two movies have definitely hurt his popularity with casuals though I'm not sure what they were thinking.

Don't they have some weird rights issue going on where they can't actually make solo Hulk movies?

>m-muh comics
Grow the fuck up loser

*changes reactor core to a triangle*

>I'm also pretty sure Iron Man doesn't sell that much merchandise
Japan has made toys of every single suit appearing in the movies, and asians buy then like crazy because they consider Iron Man /m/

>as iconic as Batman and Superman
Thanks to Snyder, nobody cares about them anymore.

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japan is a tiny island

It helps that the concept of Iron Man has aged extremely well.

>Thinking anyone knows who that is

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Superman is more popular as a symbol in the sense that his name is simple and his powers, which are generic, are also powerful such as being strong, durable etc... That's why you see t-shirts with his symbol and a text saying "I'm a Superdad" or something.

Want an example of this? The most defining trait of a generic super-hero is a muscular guy with cool chin and a cape; houseofgeekery.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/superheroes.jpg

But if you're saying about Superman in the sense of Ka-el, the Kryptonian alien from Smallville, Kansas? Then that's a no. He's not iconic.

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They sell toys all over though, I can buy jap imports from fucking barnes and noble. The latest Iron Man SH figuarts sell out almost instantly.

>Does Marvel finally have its first iconic hero?
What the fuck are you smoking?

>character can be reduced to an icon that is instantly recognized by anyone in the world
>not iconic
eat shit

Boom ;_;

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>MCU thread

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Sorry no one gives enough of a shit about Birds of Prey or Joker to make a thread for your pathetic ass

Captain America is way more Iconic than Iron Man. People knows the Red Skull, Baron Zemo, and Winter Solider more than Bucky.

Aside from the Iron Monger and the Mandarin, what else does Tony have?

>Being this dumb
ouch

Please re-read my post and then express your thoughts.

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>616
Crimson Dynamo, Madame Masque, Ghost
>MCU
Ultron, Thanos

>>MCU
>Ultron, Thanos

Not him but those are Avengers foes, not only Tony Stark. You could argue about Ultron at least.

They both fight the Avengers as a whole but they serve specific narratives to Tony in that they're darker reflections of or foils to him.

>Capeshit

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Why are you here then? Go back to your SU degeneracy.

Spider-Man was iconic before, Yea Forums casuals don't know that he once literally saved the entire company and as thanks they put his face on literally every single cover of every comic they printed for years. Iron-Man is probably on the same tier now, though.

You're still a faggot

Kys

People give way more a fuck about Iron man now than they did back then, yes it is because of RDJ, but he's popular even without him now

don't @ me you filthy casual

>First iconic hero?
What the fuck is Spider-Man?

What about the Hulk? Heard he's pretty famous with the fitness crowd.

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Japs always liked Iron Man thanks to the Capcom games he was in.

Spiderman?

Wasnt supposed that the most popular superhero ever or that people recognize more is Spiderman, even more than Superman and Batman

Which, movies, Comics, Cartoon series, live action series, ETC video games would you recommend for someone who hates, rejects and wants to be totally away from everything Disney, Marvel, Star Wars, Fox. Lucas film and Pixar?

Almost typed this myself before realizing it would probably be the second or third post, was not disappointed, LMAO.
Spider-Man will still be iconic when we're fifty something year old boomers, while Iron Man will be primarily defined by the MCU as "the main guy from the Marvel Disney flicks Mom and Dad saw in theaters back in the day"

Transformers

>its first

yea cuz not every person, their grandma and their dog knows who Spider-Man or the Hulk are.

> So, Iron man...
Nice

Explain this

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>Superman powers Generic

Fuck you so much. Just because everyone copied his powers doesn't make him generic, he is the archetype. When he was created his powers were very unique and..... alien. Add flight, heat vision, arctic breath, xray, telescopic how are his power generic?

Oh and everyone and their dad knows his origin story, symbol, and various catch phrases. He is the most iconic hero and symbol whether you hate him or love him. For fucks sake Kryptonite is an every day saying.

Don't forget Brainiac and Bizarro for the Lexicon category

Iron Man comics consistently have mediocre sales.

If anything the phrase "I love you 3000" will be his "Superman emblem". I've heard it probably three dozen times irl among normies in the past few months.

Is thanks to Robert Downey Jr

He shouldn't be. Did literally nothing but stand in the right place at the right time to get his "gains".

What a so'y show MCU has become. Normies thinking this is hot shit just like disney Stars wars

To add on even the John Williams score is famous
youtube.com/watch?v=e9vrfEoc8_g

Not to mention this intro
youtube.com/watch?v=QvUbbDUhJNg

It's generic because it's simple and what most kids would like to have in their childhood. He's, like you said, an archetype.

>Man, I wish I could jump really tall... wait, I now want to fly and not get harmed... and be strong.

Tell me one person that doesn't want this, fucko. This goes from way back since the Greeks with their odissean heroes and demigods.

Now add that with all the cool sci-fi tech things people would find cool on the TV and you have a guy named

Super
Man

Yes. It's generic. But he's iconic but not on the same level as what his symbol means. You don't see anybody caring about Daily Planet, Lex Luthor and Phantom Zone shenanigans.

I know right. The same can be said for police men and military fanbois that use the Punisher logo unironically..

How is flying, heat vision, Arctic Breath, super breath, X ray vision, Super Speed, Telescopic vision, super hearing, and the ability to dance like a god damn god generic?

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Those aren't the powers Supes started out with and you know it. But flying and superspeed are totally generic.

What powers should the first super hero have had for you not to consider them generic? Yes you Have hercules but that is it when it comes to similar power set, and even then Superman had several abilities he didn't.

Back in the 30's a dude that can leap 1/6th of a mile lift up cars, and take tank shells was fucking rad and you know it. Don't equate today to the past that is your mistake.

Spider-man, Hulk, Wolverine and the X-men as a team are probably still more iconic than Iron Man but not by much.

How is flying, heat vision, Arctic Breath, super breath, X ray vision, Super Speed, Telescopic vision, super hearing, and the ability to dance like a god damn god generic?

>Tall, muscular man that is invicible, super strong and has so much power that looks like he is using the admin menu to add powers. Oh, don't forget that he's named Superman.

It's not that each individual power is generic, it's about sayin' that when you mix all up in the same guy and name him SUPERMAN... it will be generic as fuck.

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>>How is flying, heat vision, Arctic Breath, super breath, X ray vision, Super Speed, Telescopic vision, super hearing, and the ability to dance like a god damn god generic?

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retards really don't know the difference between popular and iconic

Yeah, it's because if they did a solo Hulk film, Universal gets the money from distribution.

You do realize his outfit is based on a strongman. Also the name is based on fredrick neichze's UberMench.

How is the name Ironman unique or Spider-Man or Batman? When people say Superman is Generic it just shows they either hate him or don't know about him. Tell me what hero do you not find generic?

the MCU is a huge monkey paw, making C-Listers popular but changing them for the worst.

>Does Marvel finally have its first iconic hero?
Spider-Man

>hulk has been outselling batman 2 month in a row

Yeah, about that user....

I bet they had a shitload of variants

Imagine the name being the cherry at the top.

>How is the name Ironman unique or Spider-Man or Batman?

They're simple but the character itself are unique. Iron Man doesn't look like Colossus, does he?

Either way, they are more unique than Superman or its derivatives such as names like Ultraman or Powerman. (Also, kryptonians look an awful lot like humans.)

>When people say Superman is Generic it just shows they either hate him or don't know about him

This goes to my first post at It's true howerer that they might know at least of the Kryptonite and stretching a leg... Krypton's explosion. But in the end, his symbol speaks far louder than the character itself.

This desu

>first
Are you retarded? What the fuck even is this thread

>Either way, they are more unique than Superman
Because everybody copied Superman

>Take the most iconic character
>Turn him into a poorman's Steelbub
>Make him a literal sheep who beat the shit out of Cap because Bronzefriend told him without question

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Superman's character is more understood than Ironman's or Spider-Mans by the general public. Even if they don't know Supes as a character. I wasn't arguing about that I was arguing about you saying he was generic which he isn't. I even allowed you to move the goal posts and stuck to his original powerset which most people don't know they assume he could always fly and shot lasers from his eyes.

What about Ironman makes him more unique? Is it his intelligence because that has been done before he was created. Pretty sure Howard Hughs was the basis for Tony. Every hero has copied some essence from Superman. Look up the word generic in the dictionary and tell me it fits a God who lives his life as the most human trying to do good with a family. Tell me his unique powerset makes him generic but someone like a dude who makes suits is unique compared to Superman.

They will never have a female character as iconic as Wonder Woman.

Marvel's popular characters are all male.

Superman's more iconic, but people mostly know him as "that jacked guy with the S symbol who is totally OP". Not many know about his history or character in depth like Ironman

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Frank was former military by that point. Also he’s got no superpowers so cops and military can relate to that.

Niggers would foam at the mouth for a She Hulk done right. And let's be honest, Wonder womyn was pure fucking unfiltered garbage, i fell asleep watching it half way through

Most people don't know Ironman was a drunk. Or that he is really a teenage clone of himself aged up. Or that he has a brother. When it comes to iconic I think we need to all agree that we mean recognizable but not necessarily known. Like you have surface level knowledge that is it.

terrible post

>Not many know about his history or character in depth like Ironman
I think you will find most people know about Krypton, the Kents and Lois Lane dude. I'm not the guy you're arguing with but trying to say Superman isn't iconic or that people don't know his history is just stupid

This, spiderman is on par with batman, arguably even bigger given he has had more shows and movies and games. Superman was pretty big back in the day but his popularity is basically gone, the only people that like him are boomers and even they find him kind of boring. I'd say marvels second most iconic is still wolverine, he's been popular since his introduction and he's grown with the success of x men movies and deadpools rise. RDJs ironman has overtaken him but it's hard to say if ironman as a character has, we'll have to see.

>Not many know about his history or character in depth like Ironman
They just know the RDJ version, the don't know jack shit about the actual character of Iron Man or Tony Stark.

> The MCU version is better.

>arguably even bigger given he has had more shows and movies and games
I think they're about equal in all of that. Batman has more movies at least

In the case of:
Spiderman
Hulk
Thor
Wolverine

The comics versions will likely remain the best versions.

In the case of:
Iron Man
Captain America
Scarlet Witch
Falcon
Nebula
Rocket Raccoon

The latter two may well surpass their comic book originals in their Disney Plus shows.
MCU versions may well become the definitive versions, especially as in cases such as Wanda and Nebula, these are likely to be the only movie adaptations of said characters we will ever see.

Would you buy his produce?

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Cops should not support vigilantes.

Superman's character is more understood than Ironman's or Spider-Mans by the general public

Which part of his character? The part where he is a good guy that is fighting the good fights and punching big bad guys?

Okay, everyone understands that. Actually, We are expecting that from a hero.

Please, do share your view on this subject.

>What about Ironman makes him more unique? Is it his intelligence because that has been done before he was created. Pretty sure Howard Hughs was the basis for Tony.

Aside from RDJ's charisma in the MCU, that actually makes Iron Man unique. Asshole High-tech guy a rich but yet troubled childhood
that has to learn how to be a hero or at least try to be one by building a cool suit and having to use a glowing Arc Reactor in his chest to avoid a shrapnel to hit. his heart.
>Every hero has copied some essence from Superman.

That's true. But in the end, I have to say that the word "generic" was a mistake. If I had to use a better term it would be... simple but basic.

With so much troubled heroes nowadays, I feel like Superman needs to reinvent himself a little.

(Want to know a really cool example? Take Superman from Gods and Monsters).
Please remind that we're not talking about people that browse Yea Forums and not everyone knows about H. Hughes.

>Marvel's first iconic hero
>Iron Man
>not Spider-Man

Got me good, user. 10/10 will rage again

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Most people don't know that about Ironman. So since we are talking about charactarization I will try to explain why Superman is interesting/more unique.

Superman is an alien God essentially. He could have done anything with his powers but he was raised by good people who instilled him with a good moral compass. Instead of ruling the world he decided to put his powers to good use and do the best he can. He is not pefect he does not have a set of codes but just does what he feels is the right thing. Not only this but he is the most human out of any other hero. He sticks up for the little man, has a family, a career, friends and is actually happy not broody. The fact that he tries his best to look at the bright side is unique in this current comic scape.

Superman is not about his powers and that is a mistake a lot of people make when it comes to him. What makes him super is his incredible morals, optimism for a better future, and just being an incredible role model and hero both in tights and out.

>A salary of $2000 per week

In 1910 or whenever this is dollars, that's a bomb

Superman fulfills an archetype, that of Samson, for a modern age.

You can't really beat an archetype.
Iron boy is still cool though.

you tell me
normies can't even name a single Iron Man villain

that's like saying Starro is a Superman villain

>Does Marvel finally have its first iconic hero?
Are you delusional in thinking Spider-Man wasn't?

Honestly thank goodness. Big green man doing nothing but smashing things out of rage gets old fast.

I was just watching The Martian in which "flying like ironman" is referenced. 15 years ago they would have said Superman.

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They know the ones in Ironman movies. Now about Superman, normies wont ever be able to name a single one of his villain except for maybe Lex Luthor

Ironman in the MCU isn't really iconic.
Robert Downey Jr won over audiences with his quips but no one really thinks about his character at all.
And that's with good reason, MCU Tony Stark doesn't really have a clear character.
His values vary wildly from film to film with very little clear motivation.
The only thing to ground him at all is his relationship with Pepper and then having a daughter in the last film.
Everything else is just half-baked convenience driven melodrama.
You can't honestly describe MCU Tony as a person, just that he's some impressive engineer who used to party.

God, this suit makes me hard.

I guarantee more people will remember the name Zod than whiplash

have you tried any non-capeshit movie or any pre2010 movie?

Who is Zod?

Yeah, user. Very cute

More people watched Ironman 2 than Superman Sex King of Virgin Planet

Man of Steel $668,045,518
Iron Man 2 $623,933,331
And more people watched BvS so I guess we can say more people will know Doomsday than the Iron man villians

>Does Marvel finally have its first iconic hero?
You must be underage to actually think this.

Remember how many people mistook Thanos for Darkseid when he first showed up in the MCU?

The guy that wants people to kneel before him

No that is Game of Throne

It's not like Zod appeared in a movie earlier or anything.

DC ironman when

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Netflix Ultraman is basically japan going "DUDE WHAT IF WE HAD OUR OWN IRONMAN?

Ironman is probably the coolest marvel hero now

>doesn't even have powers, is just smart but can invent insane things with scrap
>can fly and shoot lasers, isn't too overpowered
>looks cool, has many other cool suit designs
>RDJ's performance/personality as Tony Stark

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>but most old people and even some normies still don't know who the fuck he is.

I dunno man, everyone on the entire planet basically watched Endgame. And anyone who has never watched an Avengers movie don't matter to be honest.

Great argument

>isn't too overpowered
Hueh

>what is Teen Titans Go?

A soldier guy in a wheelchair that was taken on the mission because his brother died and he is compatible with his clone/alien hybrid body

Yeah and if the character doesn't survive that particular interpretation he's not going to stay relevant for long. Just see Superman and Christopher Reeves.

Could it be that maybe no one other than RDJ has played Iron Man on a legit live action movie? Still I feel bad for whoever has to follow him.

that's not important now, it's wolverine that we need a replacement for.

>For fucks sake Kryptonite is an every day saying
This. Nobody fucking goes "women are my piece of shrapnel embedded in my heart" although typing this makes me realise it's quite poetic.

>Iron Man doesn't look like Colossus, does he?
To be fair, his original incarnation just looked like a dude wrapped in iron. Sure it's changed now, but so did Superman's powers.

Nope, not at all.

He's just one of many popular heroes in the MCU.
Iron Man 2 and 3 actually did far worse than the first movie. They only kept doing solo movies because they believed (Rightfully) normies would feel the need to see a chracter introduction just once, to see the final movie.

Even though Ant-Man did shit, for example, next to Avengers 1 and 2, it still did well enough to make a profit and that's all Marvelcounted on because they knew Endgame would be the biggest hit

Superman is the superhero. He is not a superhero. He is the superhero.
Little kids do not wrap their entire body in tinfoil when they pretend to be a superhero.
Little kids do not paint spider webs on their skin with markers when they pretend to be a superhero.
Little kids do not paint their faces green when they pretend to be a superhero.
You know what they do? They tie a big red towel around their neck, strike a pose like pic related, and pretend to fly around.
That's how this works.

The closest thing to the ubiquity of superman aesthetics would be putting straws/butter knives between your fingers and pretending to have wolverine claws.

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only the 3rd half

How big is the mousecock in your mouth

>Little kids do not wrap their entire body in tinfoil when they pretend to be a superhero.

They do raise their arms, and put LED lights in the palm of their hand and in their heart

>Little kids do not paint spider webs on their skin with markers when they pretend to be a superhero.

Of course they don't - they put on a mask and crawl around the place. They also try to shot web

>Little kids do not paint their faces green when they pretend to be a superhero.

Uuuh, yeah they do.

>You know what they do? They tie a big red towel around their neck, strike a pose like pic related, and pretend to fly around.

SOME of them. Not all. Hell, if they wore a cape, chances are, its a BLACK cape. Because they actually want to be Batman. Or Robin

Superman is an anachronism

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But isn't it amazing how we call it capefilms/capeshit yet almost none of the marvel characters wear capes? What, you think it got that name because of Thor?

cope

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stop

posting

like

this

it's clearly because of that other non-marvel superhero that isn't DC ok
golly gee willikers nobody likes superman anymore ok jeez

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>that isn't DC
*that is DC
sorry

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>n-nobody likes DC anymore

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When you go with character like this and make it about "morals" it tends to devolve into "I wish god would smite people I don't like for being obviously evil" power fantasy for writer. There's not much meat to have out of character who's simply defined as "good" as such a character could never hold complex beliefs outside of propaganda without turning morally grey even a little bit.

While some stories can be squized out of his internal struggles, it's not fit for serialized media, there has to be someone to actually fight or mystery to solve or something, and he's just too powerful to be in any danger without retarded power creep.

a shitty kids show that no one watches

Captain America was always Marvel's iconic character, but RDJ's portrayal of Tony Stark has firmly cemented Iron Man as being just as big of one now. does have a point, though, more people care about Tony Stark than actually care about Iron Man as a character.

>Captain America was always Marvel's iconic character, but RDJ's portrayal of Tony Stark has firmly cemented Iron Man as being just as big of one now.
Wrong, neither of them are. Spider-Man is Marvel's most iconic. Popular =/= Iconic.

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>calling endgame the best selling movie globally of all time

nice cope but it didn't beat avatar, accept it

It beat it if adjust for inflation (which you should)

>Superhero movies are for big boys like me

Deadpools movie made more money than Man of Steel. He's loved.

If you adjust for inflation then it doesn't even come close to Avatar

>not adjusting for getting #1 during an economic depression

I don’t even know who the main characters of Avatar were. The only character I remember was the military general guy. That movie aged badly.

Where the fuck have you been? There's Joker threads all the time

Less Joker threads and more like look-at-my-fanfiction-hidden-as-“leak”

To the kids of the last decade, RDjr's Iron Man is more iconic than pic related.
Batman will be remembered as a series of undistinguished performances by various actors who was the arch-nemesis of Le Society Man.

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>Iron Man is now hugely popular and iconic
>yet marvel can’t dredge up one decent writer for his comics
They really need to shunt some of the stupid shit away, then really go for a solid overarching plot. Tony Stark runs for president or starts a Moon Colony as a sovereign country or something, just anything that isn’t this meandering ‘Durr remember Demon in a Bottle??’ shit Slott has going on.
Simone’s two current event crossover comics were unironically high quality for what they were, though.

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As a teacher, I see more kids with Hulk Hands and green face paint, plastic gauntlets, shields and black panther/spidey masks than I ever have capes.

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Do kids these days like Superman? Do they like DC Snyder movies?

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Retarded running memes and FBI statistics don't count as "Joker threads"

No. They like Batman enough, but the Avengers are generally more beloved. Younger kids are generally a lot into the Lego side of superheroes, so Lego Avengers and Lego Batman have a big following.

Fuck no

I cannot believe people establish loyalty to either DC or Marvel when you can simply just enjoy both. If you prefer to invest in just one then making fun of the other is just childish.

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Look at the guy you just posted. A Disney crybaby, Marvel is for weepycuckolds while DC is for chads who don't cry at trailers.

No instead you DCucks cry at poor reviews and lousy box office

>Does Marvel finally have its first iconic hero?
I can’t believe this shitty obvious bait has this many replies.

Spiderman, Hulk, Wolverine, The Xmen, and the Fantastic Four are a bit more iconic than Iron Man.

That isn't true at all. Read some Superman comics. They make him a dude who is trying to do good and be a role model. And your argument about there not being stakes can be said for every fucking hero. Batman will win in the end against the powerful God villain just as often as Superman. I hate the argument that Superman is never in danger. The pic I use not only shows what I mean about strong morals working in a comic but he is in danger in the panel and overcomes it. The little girl says it best about him and danger and why he is great.

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You have to be pretty fucking retarded to believe Tony Stark has a more cultural impact on Society then Superman, Spidey, Bat-man.

Mate, what? Iron man 3 sold a billion. Civil War made a billion as well because of Tony.

Don't get more wrong. Superman has a much bigger cultural impact then Iron Man. RDJ Tony was insanely popular.

>undistinguished
>Implying Iron Man is more popular than the Dark Knight

Keep dreaming, mouseshill

Hi ladderfag

'Made his super-suit in a cave' is never going to be iconic like 'Last son of Krypton' or 'Muh parents'.

Are you entirely sure Wolverine has more memorable stories than Tony?

I saw a recent clip where Ruffalo said 'Suck it, Universal' with regards to Marvel still getting to use Hulk, without a solo movie.

>because they consider Iron Man /m/
Does anyone not?

>People knows the Red Skull...
Yet MCU Hawkeye didn't.

Iron Man merch is pretty much on the level of Batman in Japan/HK/China etc. He's got less in the way of t shirts/backpacks/soft goods and more in the way of huge diverse amount of figures and helmets and high end/expensive goods that people shell out for.

I also saw a selection of Iron Man themed father's day goods when I was out the other day, which was cute. ;_;

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Fucking beautiful

>is Iron Man now as iconic as Batman and Superman?
Nope.
>Does Marvel finally have its first iconic hero?
I heard there was this kid with spider-powers, but I think the book was cancelled and forgotten looong ago.

>reading is for babies
america, ladies and gentlemen

>Vader's sound effects
>Versus Iron Man's 'squeeeeeeee'.

Fuck no, kids think Superman is corny as fuck, unless they're like a 13 year old Goku vs Superman Discord debater. And DC has done a HORRIBLE job trying to correct that by trying to make him appeal to Batman fans with these shitty grimdark "I hate being a hero" Superman movies.

lol first iconic hero? no.

Marvel has always been more iconic.
Stay cucked.