So Superman has Lex Luthor

It’s Cheetah. Victim or not, she’s everything that’s opposite of Diana.

Cheetah a shit

I don't know about Circe, I think it's like cheating for me because Circe isn't DC's OC.
In Rucka's run there's a business woman character named who wants to ruin Wonder Woman's image, but I guess in that regard she's like Lex Luthor.

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Circe

how is she the opposite & which cheetah are you talking about?
> pic unrelated

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Cheetah is her counterpart on teams like the Legion of Doom or Injustice League. Someone who can at least temporarily work with other DC villains, a physical threat that Diana can actually trade blows with on a splash page

Ares is the personification of everything she stands against, the concept of War that she can actually punch.

Circe offers some of the most interesting story potential because she's not someone Diana can generally just punch. A good writer will come up with more creative solutions

oops
* her name is veronica cale

Not that user but Diana is compassionate and forgiving while Cheetah is vindictive and spiteful

You're forgetting that Egg Fu guy when Diana was depowered in the 60s and and 70s. He was retconned as a Apokalyptian cyborg egg or something later and not a racist Chinese eggman instead.

Make Artemis or Nubia her archrival, Wonderwomen vs Wonderwoman.

It goes in cycles.

Part of the problem with Wonder Woman's villains is that there's little middle ground. Nearly all of her major foes (Ares, Paula, Dr. Poison, Cheetah, Circe, White Magician, Silver Swan, Dr. Psycho, Dr. Cyber) could be considered an archenemy at some point (even Angle Man, who at one point was her only recurring villain for years), then you have losers/forgotten characters who haven't appeared in years except in cameos or as jokes (Blue Snowman, Egg-Fu, Inversion, Hypnotia). Even Giganta is used as more of a general JLA villain than for WW specifically.

I think DC wants Grail to be her arch nemesis with the whole nature versus nurture thing.

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>Grail
Has she even been in anything recently?

The Chauvinist

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>Ares is the personification of everything she stands against, the concept of War that she can actually punch.

I think this makes Ares her Joker/Lex equivalent, doesn't it? Both Joker and Luthor are the diametric opposites of the heroes they fight against. Batman is order and Joker is chaos. Superman is magnanimity and benevolence and Luthor is pettiness and small-mindedness. Wonder Woman is peace and Ares is war. It fits pretty well. Unless someone can come up with something about Circe that makes her Diana's philosophical opposite.

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circe is a woman so she fits better :)

The current WW run

Cheetah, right?

>Cheetah

Ehhh.....yeah, but that's more by default than by design.

The sorcerer Felix Faust?

Cheetah

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Hey Wonder Woman. Fuck you!

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>wtf is cheetah
The next WW movie might be the first time I'm looking forward to normalfags learning about a character.

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For that matter what about Zeus?

Or Zeus the Guitar Lord?

>Unless someone can come up with something about Circe that makes her Diana's philosophical opposite.
Diana is compassionate, Circe is misanthropic.

What is most recent Diana's backstory?
Clay person? Half-god? Regular human?

Hey look someone actually got the real answer

I wanted a new guitar but my mom got me the show so whatever that's cool

What about Giganta?
I like Cheetah but I feel like Giganta is the best contender for Wonder Woman’s nemesis

>having any hopes that she won't suck

Yeah she's pretty cool

I'm hoping she will suck (insert lenny face)

Ares is counterpart to Aphrodite/Athena, or whomever is patron goddess to Diana. This puts Ares at a higher, less immediate but broader threat and a corruption of ideal. The looming menace/dark future similar to Ras al Ghul or Darkseid.

If we're going for mirrors,
Cheetah works well enough, submission to the gods vs domination by the gods, saving the world of men vs preying on it, blessed vs cursed

Rule 34

Egg Fu only appeared twice before he was destroyed. Then, Eggg Fu the Fifth battled her, once. And then, a "robot twin" of the original Egg Fu called "Doctor Yes" fought the Metal Men once. By the way, did they ever explained what the fuck were these eggs before the whole concept was ret-conned? Were they aliens, biological experiments or what?

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Necks

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Thank you for making us number one because I was finally able to get....a new guitar!

If that’s true, then what does Hades do?

Hades in Greek mythology wasn't really a bad guy in fact out of everyone he was probably one of the nicer gods and he straight-up raped and kidnapped his niece. Hades in Wonder Woman usually just wants more people dead, but he doesn't directly do anything he just makes deals with people.

Now I think about Aphrodite who is considered a bad God in Greek mythology because ancient Greeks all love as a weakness. That's why you see a lot of temptress figures in Greek mythology.

Cheetah is the one they push the most. DC Super Hero Girls did a good job showing the sexual tension between them.

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Giganta just isn't bad girl enough to be Wonder Woman's nemesis. She is currently just Guy Gardner level mean, she's not even full villain anymore. Original Doris was nearing not so bad near the end, despite the initial body-stealing weirdness. Before that she was most well known as Apache Chief's rival. Her most broad menace was back when she was a large gorilla woman and wanted to reduce society to be Strong vs the Weak, also for Steve to bone her.

What did you get drunk in a minute?

I don’t know. It depends on what you mean by “bad girl enough”. Giganta has squared off against Wonder Woman plenty of times, why else would they be fighting?

Also, it’s difficult to really evaluate who and what is involved with Apache Chief until they put his character in a comic book.

You had me until the literal rape part

Giganta has tons of problems but the most important is her size. There are simply not many things you can do with her when she has to transform into a skyscraper to do anything meaningful. The second problem is she is just a brawler with a size restriction. Just think about Batmans brawler enemies. They are sure big but can operate. What would Giganta do? As soon as she turns (and she has to, to do anything) everyone know where she is and what she wants. She is so ridiculously big by the law of the bigger they are the harder they fall Diana takes her out easily.

I would throw Clea in there but she seems like more of a Hera opponent to me

What problems? I’ve seen more done with her than just her size advantage. People are often more than just their powers in comics.

Well rape by modern standards. And even still he's not the worst other gods have done way worse things than he did

Ares is more Diana's Zod.

Cheetah is her "regular" nemesis, her Joker or Luthor equivalent
Circe is her "equal" nemesis, like Bane or Zod
Ares is her Big Bad, like Ra's or Brainiac

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How bout the Titans?
Why do we NEVER hear about them or what they did?
How bout whatever was before the Titans

Cheetah
Circe
Ares

Doctor Psycho would definitely be her Joker type villain since he's creepy as fuck. They should get the guy who played Theon in GoT in WW 80s to play him.

Rape in ancient greece was how you said hello!

> those were the days
> it sounds like you long for those days
> I'm just saying THOSE were THE days

It has to be Cheetah.

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raptio#History
Huh, the more you know.

Oh yeah rape is pretty prominent in early Greek & Roman history.
I thought kids these days learned about rape in colleges now

....and we wonder why they aren’t around anymore

FUN FACT:
The most prominent reason the Roman Empire fell is because they all got lead poisoning from dirty plumbing systems & dishes that most of 'em become drooling knuckle dragging mongoloids, a shadow of the pinnacle of civilization they once were.

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Giganta is also supposed to be a genius scientist but that gets forgotten

Didn't rape have a different meaning back then? Besides, I thought most versions only say that he kidnapped Persephone, not rape her

The problem with Doris is that writers only see her as one thing and one thing only; a jobber. Want to wank off another character? Easy, just have them KO Giganta. Why? Because she's an established powerhouse and knocking her over establishes another thread. That's the sad state of Giganta sadly.

I pitched this AGES ago in another thread, but if you wanted to have Doris be a credible and interesting villain you would need to make her see herself as a goddess. Where Diana is humble, Doris would be proud. Her frustration would be seeded even before the treatment; a brilliant mind who sees the big picture but due to ignorance or just plain sexism she never got what she wanted. Her ego would be rivaled by her size, and her ultimate goal would be to better the world by it bowing under her big ass foot.

Or this could be a shit idea, I'm just talking out loud here.

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Darkseid's daughter gets paired against Wonder Woman in the New 52 & Rebirth & now ongoing.

I like that idea of Doris getting a god complex then fighting a god.
She could win the first bout, boosting her ego, only to be knocked down &
SNAP BACK TO REALITY.

Conceptually, I kind of like Grail. I just hate the execution. I get what they were going for, Old vs New God, nature vs nurture, but it doesn't work with what they've done thus far. Furthermore, as another user brought up in another thread, Darkseid having sex post his two other children seems a bit out of character.

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I thought Darkseid wanted to have a sex with an amazon specifically to make a super heir. Just business y'know.

Darkseid doesn't want an heir because that implies his reign will end

Wonder Woman is weird because on a occasion and much more frequently in the old comics, she fights a genuine fuckoff cosmic force of nature. Remember that time Kronos started massacring other pantheons to imbue their powers into his scythe, carved through the Silver City and took a swipe at the big P himself? Or that time a broken cosmic deity started reassembling himself? Or that time Imperiex was so amped Darkseid went begging to the Amazons for prayer juice and Diana infected him with love as a bonus?

But they’re all one-and-dones, and the villains who do have “staying power” either just happen to crime in the same city as she’s living in. Or are just kind of needlessly antagonising her for reasons that make no sense when the kind of powers they demonstrate should let them achieve their goes without bothering Wonder Woman.

>Currently
Acktually currently Ares is trying to justice. He’s really bad at it but that’s fine by me, considering the scope the rest of the Trinity operates on it’s high time Diana moves on from arching some shitter olympian

I’m weirdly okay with this desu. After the kind of disastrous approach to reintroducing 5th World from the New 52 onwards I actually like the idea of the “old gods” champion versus the favoured daughter of the only New God that matters. It’s a strange case where the character being a trash fire actually works better for me as Wondy’s archnemesis because it’s easier to draw Luthor/Clark or Batman/Joker parallels than it is with her other enemies. Like, Cheetah doesn’t actually ACHIEVE nearly as much as an arch should, Ares is on the bench and quite frankly judging by the new JLD Circe is completely out of Diana’s league.
/
It’s kind of sad

Zeus is quite frankly a case where a character SHOULD be Wonder Woman’s nemesis but will never be because 1. Diana is too much of a good girl who wants daddy’s approval and 2. frankly DC’s too shock full of threats to embark on a campaign against a guy who isn’t trying to cause immediate and widescale human suffering

Demigod of Zeus, I think? Based on the current run where she fought Darkseid

Alternatively if you subscribe to the Milk Wars school of thought on size changing metas, to let her operate on the same scale as the League you could write that there is a Big Force in DC like how whatsherface stepped out of her own shitty comic limbo and back into the justice league’s panels.

Yeah really Grail being born just raises question after question. How does an amazon track down the Lord of Apokalips, and why didn’t we even get a panel to the mystic portal/boom tube/spaceship heist that logically should have taken? How does one offer sex to Darkseid AND walk away with a whole pelvis, and without being chained there as his concubine? Which is a thing in the Orion solo one and other older comics. Why didn’t anyone tell this poor woman that you can totally ice Darkseid with a few radion bullets instead of waiting months for the miracle of childbirth?

Is it weird that of all things, Darkseid being totally chill with Grail being his babysitter/head minion AFTER he was killed, reborn in a baby, revived with the ALE, killed AGAIN with a single blast of what is presumably the inherited Omega Effect, reborn as ANOTHER baby kind of makes sense to me? He’s always admired the will to battle seeing how he constantly tried to recruit Orion and even shed a tear for his death that one time, this whole clusterfuck seems like the closest he’ll ever have to cute father-son family time.

Also Suli’s genetics must be utter shit considering how the other Darkseid children turned out

No she isn’t, she’s Diana’s Two-Face. The former best friend who was corrupted and fell.
Ares is boring as fuck though. He’s look Doomsday in that he has one story and that’s all he’s good for.

Two Face is only good for two or three stories. Cheetah has more going for her

Not disagreeing, just saying that conceptually she’s closer to Two-Face in that she’s the corrupted ex-friend of the hero. Personally I like Circe the most as her nemesis Simply because Circe is a hilarious over the top cunt and I really like how JL Dark is building up the confrontation between the two.

Not if you're a good writer.

>Cheetah has more going for her
Like WHAT

They didn't see her that way when she first arrived in the early to mid '40s.

They had kid Darkseid fucking his own daughter Grail, and not only that but her breast-fedding him as some weird yandere type of shit. It's all around a try-hard edgy shit-show.

Whilst I don't think she can be considered Diana's direct nemesis, she is one of her most recognizable and reoccurring villains. I like to think that, whilst she isn't Diana's Joker like Cheetah or Circe may be, she is her Riddler in regards to notoriety.
But as others have said, nobody really knows what to do with her like many of Diana's other rogues aside from just having her job. I think that, considering that she was a renowned geneticists like says, having an arc where Diana forces her to go through rehabilitation by working with Ryan Choi would be fun, considering her relationship with him in the past was sweet. It would give her some time to be fleshed out more in regards to her past, motivations and what the future may hold for her, might even lead to a redemption arc that results in her becoming a hero.

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Man, that's a great idea!

They could be inspired by the myth of Polyphemus the Cyclops. Or she could even believe she's something beyond a god, a titan. She could be delusional believing that she's forced to live with the mortals while she's looking a way to ascend to her "deserved" celestial spot among the abstract entities.

She just went crazy, or her size really opened up new biological doors in her body and mind?

Let's not make her crazy, nor should we tie her to Greek myth. However the imagery of God vs Titan is still there

I like the fact that Ares isn't flat out evil, he just motherfucking loves war an shit. Circe on the other hand is a crazy bitch who wants to control everyone thru magic so she's way more a Joker foil to Diana than anyone else.

war is oj for ares he needs it to keep going man.

Oh that's why he's a total dick to Orion and Kalibak and his stepson Scott then?
>yfw Orion, Mr. Miracle and Kalibak have certain qualities that would make a great Darkseid if combined not individually

I think the story mostly goes that he really Stockholm Syndromed her mostly due to keeping her in the Underworld indefinitely. I mean same thing in today's sexual ethics of course.

Pretty much. I remember as an undergrad my Ancient Greek Rome professor kept showing us pederasty porn from those eras. Fucking awkward

Has Wonder Woman had any arcs or issues where she fights against Lex Luthor or Joker? Not Justice Leage vs Injustice League sorts of stories where it's full teams, just WW vs Lex or Joker.

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>War continues, we eventually die
>War stops, Ares eventually dies

Yeah Superman even has Joker technically in his Rogue's gallery too but Wondy should have stories against him too.

Doctor Midget made Wonder Woman think she was fighting Joker when she was attacking civilians

Happened in the 90's, it was fucking wild.

Why doesn't WW have a Egyptian or Persain counterpart to fight? You know as those countries were rivals to the Greeks. Even a Roman knockoff of her to fight.

well there's Isis but she's more of a friend to Wonder Woman.

Artemis is precisely that, an Egyptian conterpart.

the Amazons themselves were rivals to the Greeks.

>rivals
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

It has to be Circe, because like all arch-nemesises, she's purple and green.

>Personally I like Circe the most as her nemesis Simply because Circe is a hilarious over the top cunt
Y'know, for all of Yea Forums's frequent bitching about "Wah, why can't female villains just be evil?", they sure are ignorant of this fabulous turbobitch. Seriously, Circe is just so much fun.

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It wasn't. This is.

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Current Cheetah isn't a scientst nor a genetic experiment gone wrong.

She is in the DCAU

citation needed im pretty sure it was wholesome supervillainy and god eating, and Babyseid explaining his actual needed food before being breastfed. Either I missed something, y’all found some weird author commentary off panel or you’re getting your hentai mixed up with your comics

What we really need is the story of how Batman stoke Babyseid in the first place during the events of Metal

Her arch nemesis is DC's housebros and editorial

Nigga, it was there. I just don't have time to search, download, and edit it to post it, but even if you ignore the sex, as you said there's Grail, Darkseid's daughter, in the nude breast-feeding him, Darkseid, the baby, ALSO HER FATHER. Explain that shit.

So here's an uncomfortable issue problem with this whole IP. Wonder Woman isn't a superheroine. She's a pulp heroine. Everything about her premise, design, abilities, and even her personality fits much better in the pulps than the capes. Most of the most notable WW stories feature globetrotting adventure as opposed to patrolling a city.

By that same token, Cheetah is an amoral archeologist cursed to be the avatar of a blood god. She's evil Lara Croft, and everything about her screams pulp serial villain. If DC were smart they'd lean into this to allow Diana and her rogues to occupy a unique spot in their roster of IPs.

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Fuck, for all we know Darkseid might have impregnated his daughter with his own seid. Get it? Because of the nam- whatever. I mean, how the fuck was she able to breast-feed him in the first place?

That joke doesn't work because it's pronounced DARK-SIDE

NO BUT DARKSEID IS PURE
PURE, I TELL YOU

I thought it was Cheetah

Isn't Silver Swan closer to Two Face?

yeah cheetah is like mr freeze where they're not normal anymore and don't care about the consequences of their actions as long as their goal is met.

She can still fit in the superhero mold, it's just that she's harmed by attempting to force her into the classic "hero patrols city" model of superheroics.

Silver Swan fits within the same archetype of Two-Face by her background and origin, Cheetah was retconned into that role by Rucka, who doesn't actually give a shit about WW's mythos and history.

>Wonder Woman isn't a superheroine. She's a pulp heroine.
you just made up some bullshit to justify your point of view

No, she's closer to the globe-trotting, secret base having, pulp hero than traditional capes. It was particularly noticeable back in the Golden Age where she had more in common with Doc Savage than characters like Superman or the Flash.

That's basically Batman, and he's a superhero.

Yes, GA Batman did have those elements (he takes a lot of inspiration from The Shadow after all), which were later downplayed or removed until O'Neil's revamp after which they show up occasionally, most notably in Morrison's run which cribs heavily from O'Neil. For Diana those elements never really left.

Why are superheroes traditionally locked in to protecting a city? Why don't they travel around more in their own stories? A speedster should be traveling the world, not stuck protecting a city.

Well somebody said she’s already not a traditional villain anymore.

But I don’t think that’s enough to disqualify her from the position. Giganta provides both brain and brawn in a fight against Wonder Woman. I think that’s exceedingly rare.

It's a lot easier to worldbuild and develop supporting casts while also massively cutting down on the amount of research needed.

NuGiganta doesn't bring the brains as much, only average intelligence now. Getting her powers made her not smart so good,

Giganta is, when all is said and done, a bully and I think that's really the perfect place for her.

I mean she’s still a doctor isn’t she?

I am slightly incorrect. She initially was down to general bruiser, but it seems she later got back her science groove in Damage. Whether by fix or flub.

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I'd love it if instead of making them generic superscientists all of Diana's science villains were actually specialized experts in limited fields like real life scientists, to the confounds of anyone trying to do a team up.

What that do to Doctor Poison?

Who I assume is an expert in neurotoxins, venomous and poisonous snakes?

Isn't that already the case?

Barbara Minerva is an archeology expert
Doris Zeul is a medical doctor with a specialization in neurology
Doctor Psycho is a psychologist
Doctor Cyber is a technology expert
Doctor Poison is a poison expert

I'm referring to the tendency in comics for scientists to become generic experts at everything. But as it goes:
>Giganta: given her background would probably be some kind of biology subfield mixed with fringe science
>Cheetah: Archaeology/anthropology (archaeology isn't always offered as a separate degree but instead a specialization)
>Doctor Psycho: medical doctor, technically never completed his degree
>Doctor Poison: microbiology and biochemistry
>Doctor Cyber: OG version wasn't actually a doctor, current version would more than likely have been a chemist

The thinking behind that is that that’s what scientists tend to do.

Scientists don't tend to generalize. They especially don't tend to work in unrelated fields.

Characters relying too much on strength always have this problem. If they aren't tailored for specific stories they are only there to be knocked out to show how strong is the hero. This is why I said earlier her biggest problem is her size. If you aren't roughly the same size as the hero can't be taken seriously.

I'm not saying she couldn't be good but basic comic book things keep her from doing that.

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>Diana infected him with love as a bonus
I still think that was one of Diana's biggest victories, fitting for any legendary story. Too bad the actual comic leading to that wasn't that good.

I'm still waiting for Diana's For the Man Who has Everything or Killing Joke. Hikatea is great but not exactly that.

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>Marston's WOnder Woman is supposed to be so powerful, so beautiful as to inspire men to want to be saved
Fuuu I could never describe it but exactly this is how I feel about her.

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I partially agree with you, and the most logical solution would be to have be able to fight at heights above her normal size and below her maximum. However, I think what writers miss is that by growing huge Giganta should be able to control the encounter. A full-size Giganta should be something Diana avoids fighting at all costs because under best case scenarios it's insanely difficult to prevent collateral damage and Doris would freely use that to her advantage. Even worse, a truly pissed off Giganta would have no issue kaiju'ing her way through a building.

What would Wonder Woman do with baby monsters who are innocent now but could grow up to be man-eaters?

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The only way I can imagine it if Giganta has some juice to build the fight around something. Because as for now she could grew as high as a skyscraper and never back down if she doesn't want to. If getting larger would be tied to some external factor and maybe she wouldn't be able to keep herself huge forever it would have been better. I keep bringing up DC Super Hero Girls all the time because it revises and solves a lot of Diana's problems perfectly. Giganta is huge and strong enough to be a serious threat but not ridiculously where she has to job or would never be defeated.

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>Superman is magnanimity and benevolence and Luthor is pettiness and small-mindedness
It's actually the common man vs big business

This

"Slightly taller strong guy" doesn't "fix" anything about Giganta, it just makes her interchangeable with a dozen other villains with that powerset and body type, who pretty much all get to be jobbers most of the time. Giganta's actual problem is with writers, not powerset. If you're looking to give her a reason as to why she's not 100ft tall all the time, aside from the issues she'd have in daily life trying to do anything at that size, just say that increasing size comes with an increasing caloric need to maintain that size. Giganta is free to say at 100ft for as long as she wants as long as she can meet the 100k calories she needs per day to not starve.

Superman and Batman represent something, and their arch nemesis represents the opposite.

Since Wonder Woman doesn't really represent anything coherent she can't have a great villain.

And what exactly do Batman and Superman represent outside some generally vague platitudes that fall apart once you you think about them for 5 seconds?

>Giganta is free to say at 100ft for as long as she wants as long as she can meet the 100k calories she needs per day to not starve.
That is not really a drawback mid battle. What I meant is why shouldn't she be the largest all the time when she battles? Writers have the same problem too.
>battle starts
>Giganta grows super huge because no reason to why not
>gets punched and she falls over in a spectacular fashion because her durability never changes with her size
>end battle
To avoid this every single time there has to be an external factor which keeps her in check and allows the writers to give her truly scary strength and durability in her hugest form because there is a way to deal with her other than a punch.

Batman adopted Jarro and Superman adopted a sun-eater in All-Star, would be perfectly in character for Diana to raise some harpies somewhere

Ares and Cheetah... like the movies.
It's too bad Wonder Woman comics is controlled by SJW feminists who have no imagination and can't write for shit. That's why they don't create anything cool and new.

She adopted Typhon. Father of all monsters in Greek mythology.

Her durability does increase with her size. She's a normal woman at regular size but can trade blows with WW at giant size. Giganta's thing is that she turns into a superstrong and durable giant, you seem to believe that is a problem and the only solution is to turn her into a superstrong and durable normal sized person which in turn would magically make writers use her better and not make her replaceable by the dozen or so other WW villains with that same powerset.

Exact opposite. WW has long alternated between being controlled by people who absolutely don't give a shit about WW and by people who mostly don't give a shit about WW outside waifu'ing her.

Pretty sure this is bait
6/10 for making me uncertain

Pic kinda related

The problem is that we're talking about WW, which means a 90% chance that we're dealing with someone who doesn't know the slightest thing about WW.

Both believe in order, but in different ways.

Superman views order as the natural way of things, and chaos as something that just rears up now and then and has to be corrected.

Batman views chaos as the natural state of the world, and believes that order must be imposed on it.

Lex shares Supes vision, the twist is that he views Superman himself as the chaos that needs to be corrected.

Joker is the embodiment of chaos, laughing at the very notion that order can be imposed.

Tbh, she is 1 in 100. She is rather rare for a female villain

Winder Woman is like Super Old right?

Blue Snowman lmao

Yes they do. They just don’t do it on a professional level.

You know if they just would remember that Doris is a damn scientist they could probably do more interesting stuff with Giganta. Also unpopular opinion; I don't like her as a hero with Atom

>Unless someone can come up with something about Circe that makes her Diana's philosophical opposite.
Diana is an ambassador, preaches understanding and acts selflessly.
Circe is a recluse, forces her will on others and works to increase her personal power.
Note that Diana left Themyscira to improve the Man's World, while mythological Circe is best known for holding Odysseus hostage for years on her own island. But I'm personally leaning towards Cheetah anyway.

Forgot pic.

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What about Villainy Inc?

I like her too

I don't know if I say cheetah is her arch but she is a great opponent for her but it's not like she goes out of her way to fuck with ww like Lex or joker would

>ctrl+f "masculinity"
>0 results

Circes real name is Veronica Cale?

Put them on another planet

Fuck me I hope they do her at least decently. Also I hope she looks alright; I dont need her to be hot, shes some monster animal person so hot's not really in the cards but I at least want her to look cool or scary.... anything other than her just looking stupid

Right up until the actual fight. Every fight between them goes the same, Giganta throws a few punches or stomps a bit. Diana can usually just dodge without any issue. Diana flys up there and punches her in the face and gigianta falls crushing some stuff on her way down. Fight over

Hey fair enough but I don’t really give a damn about the fights in comics. They’re usually the end of the story.

I’m more interested in the story before the fight.

I believe they were Chinese

yeah this sort of thematic falls trough the moment they decided to make Diana the one member of the trinity willing to kill often as it's necessary.

"i'll grab her, grab her till she can't walk"

Veronica Cale is the woman in the pic, I don't think she's affiliated with Circe in anyway.

"Good Point"

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Which is why she's looked down upon.

> Injustice Diana

They worked together recently in Rebirth

Cale hired Circe to fight Diana so that Cale could get the location of Themyscira from her so Cale could free Ares and rescue her daughter

>Who dose Wonder Woman have? None of her baddies are really her arch nemesis.
Doctor Domino and S.C.Y.T.H.E.

How would you elevate Doctor Domino to A-list villain status?

That depends on how you define rogues gallery.

If you make it just every villain they have ever fought once, the whole exercise becomes pointless. It has to be someone either they only exclusively fight (except special circumstances) or somebody that they fight more often than anyone else.

What happened?

For me, it's Blue Snowman

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Is that character's codename really "Doctor Midget"?

In Post Crisis yes. I was just talking about the “current” iteration of Cheetah.

Well DC has fake cities which means the cities can basically be whatever the writer and artist want them to. But the heroes do operate outside their cities. Batman is a global hero. Superman goes off into space all the time. Hal Jordan is basically entirely off in space these days, he never hangs out in Coast City anymore. Aquaman is the hero of the oceans.

Yeah but for obvious reasons most writers don’t have the balls to touch on that. Wouldn’t want Daddy WB/AT&T getting mad after all.

Dr.Midget= Fan nickname for Dr.Psycho

How many people would she need to eat to get 100K calories?

Motherfucker

Thy should bring back Von Gunther desu.

Patriarchy is really who she fights against. No sole character can represent an ingrained system of opression.

Cute kitty lady :3

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Bro. They're fucking comic books. Batman and Superman don't have any moral fucking underpinnings, they're just dependent on who writes them at whatever time.

Saying superheroes believe in order is also the most generic shit.

Wonder Woman doesn't have an archnemesis because she killed him. Snyder style.

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Oh but when I call Barry Allen The Streak everyone busts a capillary

Yes

supeman kills if is necessary

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Give him actual powers, a hammy personality and henchmen with personality.

>I'm still waiting for Diana's For the Man Who has Everything or Killing Joke. Hikatea is great but not exactly that.
League of One?
>Knows she can't handle Superman in a fight
>Sends everyone else in space pods towards the sun so saving them will distract Superman for a bit

Because when she has an enemy she deals with it.

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If Captain America can have half a dozen Nazi villains Diana can have one.

League of One is kinda shitty though.

He's a Giant Prop villain with his own evil international organization.
He's already A-list in my heart.

What a shitty panel, compare this when she truly tries to save her villains because they're people too.

Maybe the idea of an arch nemesis is an oversimplification. As much as people talk about Lex and Joker as being the main nemesis, you also hear them say how overused they are. The concept may oversimplify the characters and not really be the best for telling a diverse amount of stories for them. Maybe it's a good thing that Wonder Woman doesn't have one singular enemy that dominates all her stories. Even I am sick of Joker being always the go to character in so many Batman stories.

>Her arch nemesis is DC's housebros and editorial
Also correct.

The Cheetah that actually killed WW was the best version.

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Cheetah sucks, I fucking hate leopard print

Same

Bats has killed a lot of times in canon: I remember an issue of The Brave and The Bold where he teams up with Andrew Bennett to deal with a vampiric cult that has taken up Gotham and Batman donuts a lot of vampires, I also remember the time Ra's Al Ghul tried to block the sun with a satellite and Batman crashed the satellite into the sun with Ra's inside. And more recently, he and the Flash finished off a lot of reanimated corpses that Bane and Gotham Girl had brought back to life in order to cure Gotham Girl and her brother from their powers ail.

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I should just skip hypercrisis interpretations of anything.

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She has Egg-Fu, but he's too offensive.

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we need to go cuter

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Calm down

The problem is most of her books are about her relationship with the Justice League rather than herself or her world. And her relationship with the Justice League is exactly thus: a potential love interest for Batman or Superman. So...no shit she doesn’t have a Killing Joke story, because DC wants to make her stories all about how special she makes the male JL members’ penises feel rather than about who she is and how she affects her own world

Cheetah or Circe....don't know much about Wondy's rogue's gallery.

Call him Chang Tzu...or do like that one comic did by having Egg-Fu be an eldritch abomination.

Note he has been in the new lego game and they gave him a SUPER thick Chinese accent.

It should be Ares.

Cheetah will always feel like she picked out of a hat.

>Luthor is pettiness and small-mindedness

Disagree on those. Luthor, to me, is comes across as anti-metahumans. He's full aware of how their powers can impact the civilians and order. There's nothing petty or small-minded about this. He's probably lawful evil.

So the thing about the Persephone story is that Hades isn't really responsible, Aphrodite and Cupid basically made him do it as some kind of power play to prove love is stronger than death or some shit.

Lex's anti-aliens and anti-powers shit is always some bullshit he talks himself into believing. His real motivation is simple jealousy.

Cute.

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Sure but that's a legitimate concern that people could had if superheroes existed. I think Lex is actually afraid & is doing what he thinks is best for humanity. Like he doesn't like working with other villains but sees them as dumb pawns he can use & he usually betrays them the first time he gets.

Again like said if you talk to a historian or someone who specialize in Greek mythology they would argue that Aphrodite is considered a bad guy. It would be cool if Wonder Woman fought her or Cupid (just make him a creep) & became the new God of Love through her love & compassion of all living things.
>pic unrelated

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The Patriarchy

>I think Lex is actually afraid & is doing what he thinks is best for humanity.

Lex genuinely only cares about being the most popular and most in-control man in Metropolis, and Superman existing prevents both those things.

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>I think Lex is actually afraid & is doing what he thinks is best for humanity

Lex constantly fucks other people over for his own benefit. He'll talk up humanity on paper, but deep down, he's full of shit, and is only in everything for himself. He has shown himself to be just as much of a threat to humanity a dozen times over as Superman.

More please
Maybe cheetah grinning while Catwoman has a bad case of breast envy of the GENUINE kitty titty.

She's bad news.

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That’s what Lex WANTS you to think, and it’s how he likes to present himself, but Lex has repeatedly tried to acquire powers himself. He covets Superman’s power and popularity and wants them for himself. Every time Lex gets superpowers he immediately tries to take over the world.

This reads like the absolute worst fanfiction anyone has ever seen.

Morrison kinda did it in Wonder Woman: Earth One II.
They also brought her back in the 80s as the host of a demoness called Dark Angel.