Remember in the 2000's when Marvel and DC were in a war to see who could be more mature and edgy...

What makes this so interesting is it really isn't known as to why this was so edgy. Meltzer didn't come out and say this was a story he wanted to write but nobody in management has taken the blame either.

I unironically really enjoyed it.

No the poster you're asking but Heros in Crisis did not need the murder mystery, the selling point Heros in Therapy gets out to the public is good enough and it could have been more interesting if their tapes, and their reaction to it getting out, and how what they said affects their relationships with other heros and the public.

That was so they could push their need quirky teenage Mexican Blue Beetle diversity character

YES

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Even that would've sucked if handled by Tom King. Hell, Heroes in Crisis exists because it's his way to cope.

How about Sue Dibney's death? Not only was she murdered, she was also PREGNANT! A scene that would make soap operas blush.

It was like an ex-husband's wet dream: your former wife desperately wants your dick again and is willing to kill to get it.

If capes are a male power fantasy, that has to be one of the worst. It's on par with Marv Wolfman marrying Donna Troy.

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This was Didio's first crossover after being promoted to executive editor at DC.

>Blue Beetle being shot
>Ted Kord's was killed just for shock value

Remember when BATB had Ted go out like a true hero saving Hub City? Good times.

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You can see his hack brain working here.
>"Hmm, Crisis on Infinite Earths was a big a deal."
>"I know, I'll make every event a CRISIS! That will sell like gangbusters!"

A real mastermind, that Didio.

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>How about Sue Dibney's death
That was pretty awful as well user. I just was putting up examples that everybody forgets happened in the story. Sue Dibney is the thing people focus on the most.
>If capes are a male power fantasy, that has to be one of the worst
This is one of the most anti-human comics there is. Almost everybody is a crappy human in it.

why do they keep trying to do dramatic scenes with stretchy powers

it's so fucking goofy and tone-deaf

Identity Crisis is more melodramatic than edgy.

Meltzer's main inspiration for writing comics is The New Teen Titans, and more specifically, The Judas Contract. That explains a few things about this comic.

Rape is just comically out of place while for better or worse things like dumb/edgy deaths are somewhat expected

DC's Executive rooom
>Identity Crisis
Random:Hey Didio, what do you think are big event should be? Didio: How about everything you knew about the justice league was a lie and they were in fact a bunch of reprehensible douchebags. Random: Excellent Idea!
>Infinite Crisis
Random: OK, Identity Crisis was a hit in the financial department, what's your next idea Didio? Didio: Remember Superboy-Prime? Well, he's batshit insane now and so is Alexander Luthor, and Kal-L is super incompetent. Random: Brilliant
>Heroes in Crisis
Didio: So you're successful King and we want to put you on a major Crisis, What's your idea?
King: How about everybody has PTSD and one of them murdered a ton of people? Didio: Perfection!

Makes sense
True.

...Hawkman's wings are detachable? I thought he was an alien?

I mean, Heroes in Crisis was announced to be inspired by Identity Crisis when revealed. I -wish- it had been forgotten.

It was? Well, That explains a lot

It's a shame that a great cover like that was wasted on this

I think it's kind of interesting as it shows them falling apart physically to reflect them falling apart mentally.

Carter's wings are detachable. They're made of Nth metal.
You're thinking of Katar.

Whatever happened to Dr. Light

I remember reading a Wizard article where Rags Morales goes on about how proud he was capturing Elongated Man's utter despair in that scene.

Mainstream comics have no self awareness whatsoever.

It certainly explains how Deathstroke was able to job half of the fucking Justice League.

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>Mainstream comics have no self awareness whatsoever
See this is the major problem with comics today. There is no balance. They either go overboard with the edginess or they go overboard with the meta crap.

He spent the next couple of years as the rape guy who rapes and won't shut up about how he likes rape and how much he's interested in rape and how much the current situation was similar to rape until everyone was utterly sick of it and the Spectre turned him into a living candle in Final Crisis.
Then New52 hit and they tried to turn him into a good guy. It didn't work because all anyone knows about him now is that he's the rapist.

I think it's because there's no outsiders forcing them distill the essence of the characters.

A big part of why shows like BTAS and BATB were so good is because the nerds on the team had to explain to the non-nerds why these things were cool, thus creating a better story. You don't have that in mainstream comics.

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>the Spectre
I'm absolutely terrified of how they're going to screw him up in the upcoming JSA comic desu

>Identity Crisis
>Infinite Crisis
>Countdown
>Gay For Justice
>Titans: Villains For Hire
>Blackest Night
>Robin One Year Later
>Everything Teen Titans
What a fucking dumpster fire of a decade the 2000s were for DC. 2010s haven't been much better though.

Proceeded to occasionally show up with most of his dialogue being interchangeable with the rape song from the fantasticks because writers thought him going on and on about rape would make him serious instead of annoying. Then during final crisis the Spectre walked in on Dr Light while he was spending time with some prostitutes cosplaying NTT's girls. Then the spectre turned him into candle.

you're forgetting that in New52 he was also married and had kids with the female hero Dr. Light the one he tried to rape during Blackest Night

New 52 made this decade automatically worse. Somehow Didio managed to find a way to gain more hate from Teen Titans fans.

I agree with you. That's one of the problems with the current Justice League Dark comic. There's nothing to explain to the casual reader as to why Magic is so cool and badass.

I did like how fucking melted during Sue's funeral

The 2010s have been worse desu user. At least you could ignore the big edgy crossovers and everything teen titans and focus on smaller good titles. That's been much harder since new fifty-shit hit and *everyone* suddenly had to be an edgy single twenty-something or face being erased from existence and replaced with Jim Lee's OCs.

Every piece of writing in Identity Crisis is dumb as shit. Even the motivation doesn't make sense because Ray was open about wanting Jean back. The only good thing to come out of it was Eclipso Jean and less because she was good (she was just whatever) and more because she was great fapbait. They really should've just kept her in that role instead of killing her.

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Blackest Night is edgier than Infinite Crisis considering part of it includes Firestorm's girlfriend being turned into salt and then a zombie Doctor Light takes the head and acts like a creep towards it then threatens to rape Kimiyo and her children. It tried to be a vaguely horror story but wasn't effective in doing it at all.

>Countdown
>Cry for Justice
Jesus Christ, I forgot all about those. Somebody should do a storytime of these.

This, I mean, even the big edgy crossovers and everything Teen Titans got worse.

>Gay For Justice

Thank you for reminding me DC murdered this adorable child and turned Roy into an insane drug addict.

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I agree with you on this.
Blackest Night at least got followed up with Whitest Night. Infinite Crisis didn't really have anything to soften it's edginess

But don't you see? Having a child ages him and gives him responsibility so Didio can't have lots of affairs I mean Roy Harper can't have lots of affairs.
Like teen fathers aren't a fucking thing, seriously...

Remember when DC allowed people to have happy relationships. Partridge Farm remembers.

It didn't even have to be a happy one, the whole problem is that 40-something manchildren don't want someone with family responsibilities in their escapist fiction.
It's why child characters are almost always killed off or aged up within five years of creation. I'm actually amazed Damian Wayne's only just hitting his teens

>the whole problem is that 40-something manchildren don't want someone with family responsibilities in their escapist fiction
You better be careful there user, the big guns at Marvel's Spidey Office might give you a surprise visit.

>the whole problem is that 40-something manchildren don't want someone with family responsibilities in their escapist fiction.
Do the higher ups at the big 2 even read their comics?

Don't forget 52 as well

>Do the higher ups at the big 2 even read their comics?
Well they certainly try to write them.

Death of the New Gods everyone forgets about this train wreck
it was so bad it was getting retconned as it came out

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But the 40-somethings in the fanbase want happy marriages and families. Why is there such a disconnect between the readers and creators? Why do the creators hate their wives and kids so much?

I tried to get this out of my memory.

>So someone at DC really made it their mission to kick us JLI fans right in the balls.
I'm guessing the name you're looking for is "DiDio".

user:I will take Comic Books for 500
Alex: This executive single handedly breaks the heart and dreams of DC fans everywhere
user: Who is Dan Didio?
Alex: You're correct

>I'm actually amazed Damian Wayne's only just hitting his teens
I think the only reason he's still around is because a lot of people hate him.

*also helping break sales with stupid executive and editorial decisions

Heroes in Crisis is worse than bad, it's boring and forgettable. Identity Crisis is a "gem" to this day.

Speaking of "gems", what was that crazy Batman comic again?

I absolutely hated him when he was written by Morrison. He was an annoying shithead that made Jason look humble by comparison. On top of that, he never seemed to learn anything except wow I like Dick a bit more than I used to. Interestingly enough, I don't mind him when written by other people. So I find it funny that people consider him by Morrison his best appearance though I would argue it's his worst.

You mean Brightest Day? Because that sucked too.

Batman R.I.P.?

Maybe the other writers were trying to salvage him. It happens a lot with shit characters.

Jean Paul Valley? Batman Who Laughs? I, Joker? TDKR Batman? ASBaR Batman? Time-Travelling Batman? Or PTSD Batman?

I wouldn't be shocked to find out that Didio hated the JLI.
The more lighthearted tone it had would go against Didio's vision for the DC universe.

Do you mean Neal Adam's Batman Odyssey?

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Yeah it sucked. I didn't say it was good.

Well... no, but that's a good guess by the description. Something... Odissey? It also had completely disconnected dialogue. People post panels occasionally.

Pretty much everything involved with the lead up to Final Crisis is shit because it was meant to, well, lead up to it but Morrison wouldn't actually tell anyone what he was planning on doing so they had to lead up to something while only having vague (and outdated) plot notes to work off of.

Not that I don't think it would've been any better if they had the complete plot details either mind you. I also think Final Crisis is a confusing, poorly paced mess of a story that Morrison fanboys convince themselves they like because they can't say anything bad about their idol or admit that even he can make a dud.

Look at

We have a winner Well, he did say he wanted to "take the smile out of DC comics" or something like that, right?
Suits are really out of touch if that piece of shit is still in place.

It had a bit of promise at first, but damn it went on too long and arrived practically nowhere at best.

I feel like I have to read this.

He elongated into the man's wife?

I mean, it's a really powerful page. I'd be proud of it too. Better than Liefeld's shit.

>Maybe the other writers were trying to salvage him
Thank God they are. Imagine having to deal with him just shitting on Tim and Jason for absolutely no reason on every Batman Family crossover.

Final Crisis has the problem of great ideas thought about shallowly and a massive amount of homework needed to understand everything

Pretty much EVERYTHING wrong with Final Crisis is on Dan Didio. From the event having tons of lead-up to it that were based on guesses of what Morrison might be doing on Final Crisis itself, from Final Crisis itself being disjointed as fuck because what was supposed to be a maxi-series was dismembered into a maxi and several one-shots and a mini.

Morrison told Didio that he wanted to Final Crisis like he did Seven Soldiers of Victory. A closed maxi-series. He had also warned Didio when he jumped ship to DC that he would only deliver his scripts when ready and that he would never do any rewrites. You either approve his shit during the beginning, knowing full well what you're going to get, or you don't approve it at all. Didio said OK.
But then Countdown began to... well, it was a mess, and he felt that he could turn Countdown around by turning it into a lead-up to Final Crisis. Since he knew Morrison wouldn't divulge shit other than what he showed during his pitch, Didio based EVERY-FUCKING-THING from what he remembered from the pitch and random guesses from himself and editors. And Countdown wasn't enough. So he came up with Death of the New Gods and several other minis and one-shots. Nothing made sense.
When Morrison finally delivered Final Crisis, Didio thought he could make more mini if he transformed this single maxi-series into minis, ones-shots, and so on. So he hacked the comic to pieces. This is why Final Crisis, Superman Beyond, and so on feel so empty, rushed, and bloated here and there. He also created more minis and one-shots to serve as tie-ins.

It was a shitshow.

You know what's weird about Identity Crisis? There's a minority contingent of comics fans that think it's one of the best things DC ever published. Most of these are non-DC fans, for what that's worth.

you should its a blast

>Infinite Crisis
>edgy

Eh... Not really.

Blackest Night is not even slightly edgy. "Edgy" does not mean "someone dies in it", you fucking literal retard.

DC's entire slide into shit that "necessitated" the reboot happened under DiDio's watch and started pretty much once he took over as EiC. Titans/Young Justice: Graduation Day happened not longer after he joined as vice president of editorial and DiDio's never been shy in the fact he hated Young Justice and thought it deserved to be cancelled because it had "iconic" characters like Robin and Superboy and wasn't selling huge numbers and because he hated Slobo and thought the character ruined Lobo.

I pretty much consider Graduation Day the exact thing you can point to in regards setting DC's tone going forward. A lighter, younger skewing booking like Young Justice had no place in DiDio's grim, serious and mature DCU for grim, serious and mature readers. He might actually be the worst EiC either of the big two have ever had. Maybe in terms of creative disasters Alonso is worse but his time was a blip. DiDio joined DC with a high level editorial position in 2002 and has been largely in charge of the comics since, at latest, 2004. That's 15+ years of unending shit that ruined the comics so bad editors had to fucking reboot the entire line pissing off all their fans in a desperate effort to save their jobs. I struggle to think of any EiC who's done so much damage for so long and shows signs of not only going nowhere but failing upwards despite all the damage he's done.

At least the 2000s still gave us

>Grant Morrison's Batman & Robin
>Gail Simone's Secret Six
>BQM's Batgirl
>Geoff Johns' Green Lantern
>Tony Bedard's R.E.B.E.L.S.
>Gray & Palmiotti's Jonah Hex
>Gail Simone's Wonder Woman
>Gray & Palmiotti's Power Girl

I'd rather not have to deal with him at all

Still better than the 2010's where they compete to see who can be more of a cuck.

>He might actually be the worst EiC either of the big two have ever had.

Anyone at Marvel over the last decade is far worse.

Wasn't Quesada in that position? Can we call it a technical tie?

2000s DC was pretty solid, if inconsistent.

Did we read the same story? Suoerboy dying for no reasonexcept shock death, Superboy-Prime, who was supposed to be a really hopeful kid, turns into an insane sociopath. Alexander Luthor turns into Mini-Maxwell Lord, and Kal-L is just the most incompetent superhero. Kal-L causes the death of his wife due to stupidity.

Not to mention that said reboot obliterated not only the comics line, eventually, but also other shit like the animation department. Remember how great the DC direct-to-video animated movies used to be? Shit went to shit once DC Entertainment became a thing and they decided to animate some awful, awful story-lines from the reboot and adding to the edgy tenfold.

Is this where Slade OUTWILLs GL with his own ring?

>>Grant Morrison's Batman & Robin
When will this meme end?

Yea Forums thinks "edgy" means "anything that isn't campy Silver Age-y faggotry for meme-loving redditors who think MCU is the pinnacle of film and Deadpool is the pinnacle of comedy".

Infinite Crisis is only "edgy" if you're using that absolutely retarded definition.

It's not just the edgelord crap either. When was the last time we had a story about superheroes fighting supervillains and saving the day? Every event these days is about some cosmic uber threat that changes the status quo, or "the heroes are assholes, actually".

Did I miss a memo stating that comic book stories aren't allowed to be straightforward adventures anymore? Cause it certainly feels like simplicity has become a dirty word over at DC's offices.

Go back.

Yes. Mind you, Kyle's ring is also unique among the GL rings because he reforged it when he was Ion to work for him alone.

So, not only did Deathstroke try to outwill a power ring, he tried to outwill one that was created to work for only one specific Lantern.

I think it's appropriate to say that Identity Crisis is where DC fell completely apart.

The art was never a problem of the comic and honestly the only reason it's worth reading at all. Some of rag's best stuff.

Comparing the MCU and Deadpool films to Silver Age comics should be considered a crime against humanity. Either I'm getting baited or this is a horrible example.

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How can I go back when I was never there?

>It had a bit of promise at first, but damn it went on too long and arrived practically nowhere at best.
Agreed but it was still cool to see Deadman as a human

>It's on par with Marv Wolfman marrying Donna Troy.
While people disliking that is understandable, you would expect Yea Forums to be the exception, and Wolfman to be respected for living the dream of marrying his waifu.

Every tourist can find the way to Reddit.

Didio's main agenda is that he wants to "streamline" DC's product to make it easier to market. So, in his mind, books like Young Justice have no place when Teen Titans exists, Nightwing should die since he isn't Robin, all legacy heroes need to be exterminated because they taint the brand, long term relationships can't happen since they aren't dramatic, DC needs to copy Marvel at EVERYTHING since they're successful, etc.

Didio basically took DC's greatest strength, it's diversity, and threw it away for quick sales. It's really no wonder he needs to keep rebooting everything. He's turned the brand into pure chaos.

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You really are an idiot aren't you. Damian was created by Morrison so I assure you he's actually the only one who knows how to write him. You're so such a fucking nerd loser that you are incapable of understanding a character being a spoiled kid or an asshole is not being badly written, since your references are so limited (because you probably only read comic books, bad ones at that).

John Constantine was created by Alan Moore. That doesn't mean he's the only one who knows how to write him you troglodyte. Of course, being an asshole doesn't mean badly written. Just look at Guy Gardner. Damien Wayne's biggest problem was he learned nothing. Remember all the times Jason Todd was reprimanded for being hot headed and impulsive? Damien Wayne got next to nothing of that. Let's talk about Damien's revival shall we? Jason was Bruce's son way before Damien ever was yet Bruce tried nothing to revive him. Damien dies and all of a sudden Bruce most go on this long quest to get back his son. Damien doesn't get the consequences that should befall him. Tim's actions bite him in the ass all the time in the long run but for Damien his problems get solved shortly after they are brought up.

Currently a decent character in deathstroke's series.

>Jason was Bruce's son way before Damien ever was yet Bruce tried nothing to revive him. Damien dies and all of a sudden Bruce most go on this long quest to get back his son.

I think part of the reason Bruce tried to revive Damien is that Jason coming back set the precedent in his mind that this is something he could even do. By the time Damien died, Bruce has already seen Jason die and come back, Superman die and come back, Hal Jordan die and come back, Barry Allen die and come back… and he's like, wait, why do I have to sit around and just accept this death? Death isn't permanent in my universe. What's stopping me from bringing him back?

If the order of events were the other way around and it was Jason's death that succeeded Damien's and everyone else Bruce knows, Bruce would probably be unable to resist the idea of reviving him, as well.

I would agree with you but in the same comic he tells Jason that he thought about reviving him in the lazurus pits but decided against it. The key word is "Thought". Morrison made Bruce a bigger hypocrite than he usually is and on top of that made him a terrible person as well.

Heh, China Cat.

Wasn't that Tomasi or am I thinking about other comic?

Tomasi. That shitty super-melodramatic arc was written by Tomasi. Not Morrison.

I think you are thinking of a different comic. Morrison had the bright idea to kill off Damien against a clone.

Sorry, Seems you're right about that. ignoreI admit I made a mistake.

>John Constantine was created by Alan Moore. That doesn't mean he's the only one who knows how to write him you troglodyte.
It's still my favorite version of the character.

Moore definitely set the standard. I was just making an example that the creator doesn't always have to be the best at that character.

It's not even a new sentiment. IMO killing off Gwen Stacy was the right move in the end but the entire reason it happened was because Conway felt that the only thing left to do with Peter and Gwen was to marry them which would take away what he felt was the "core" of Spider-Man which was tragedy.

The reality is that a lot of writers just want to self-insert as handsome twentysomething bachelors who can get hot chicks without being tied down. Even if they're married with kids IRL they use superheroes to enact a fantasy version of the Chad life they were never able to have in their younger days.

>Damian was created by Morrison so I assure you he's actually the only one who knows how to write him
Under your logic Miles should be written as a black and boring Peter Parker because thats how Bendis wrote him.

It's amazing it took me until the 2010s to give up reading DC. I think it was like 2013 or 2014.

I remember it being poorly planned out. I forgot how poorly Didio planned it out.

There's a right way to do it and a wrong way to do it. Dini did it the right way, Wolfman's is goofy and deserves to be made fun of. That one Powerpuff Girls writer is the absolute worst way to do it though.

well, Bendis is no Morrison

Damian is just another "little shit" in a long line of little shits from morrison. Might as well be a gimmick at this point.

>what he felt was the "core" of Spider-Man which was tragedy
Geez. I might be wrong, but what seems to make Spider-Man so popular is more on the fun side of the stories, despite all the drama. What the heck.

Pepperidge

I knew it didn't feel right when I typed that.

To all Morrisonfags, Why does Damien Wayne appeal to you guys? At least, the way Morrison wrote him.

The problem is that people associate Spider-Man's "relatability" with "having a shitty life." Spider-Man's appeal is that his life is difficult, but at the end of the day he's got it made in certain aspects. Sure, his life is a never ending parade of assholes looking to take their swing and he's got a shitty, demeaning job, but he's also got a family that loves him and a bangin' hot redhead waiting at home for him. His life is hyperbole of mundane existence in both directions. But too many writers want to go all in on the misery, which doesn't create an interesting or endearing character/story. It does the opposite. It turns Peter into this pathological mental case whose life and identity revolves around an all-consuming guilt that forces him into self-destructive martyrdom.

Just to put in perspective how bad Batman's brainwashing was.

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Cause he had a character arc

That's generally why I don't like most 00's and 10's Spider-Man, too many writers mistake subtext for text, and end up with a very artificial Spider-Man

I'm not seeing Cry for Justice anywhere in your list, user.

Jaime Reyes is a great character and the only bad thing about him is that Ted had to die for him to be created.

And yet, King managed to upstage it. He even put his personal Deathstroke vs JL with Harley outsmarting the trinity.

It's less about the readers and more about the parent characters. You can't have the child both growing into teenager/adulhood and also keep the parents at that ambiguous 25-to-35 age zone. This is endemic to all mainstream cape comics and directly ties into their inability to allow characters to permanently grow and evolve.

A sick part of me wants to see Zatanna’s struggles and anguish over this whole thing. I want to see the guilt eat away at her until she snaps.

Why is the square on the pregnancy test even part of it? If it’s going to look the same whether positive or negative.

The circle is the only indicator of pregnancy here, so it’s all that is needed, right? Like “1A means pregnant and 2A means not” why have A at all? Just use 1 and 2.

I’ll just cut to the chase: Ewwww.

Villains for hire has drugs made out of children.

Whew, for a second I thought you were talking about Marvel's Villains For Hire.

Spidey is supposed to be about the process of life and youthful problems with a duty to learn from them.So in that sense, Peter can never have a decisive end of his hardships as a hero and a man because his whole concept will be over and he can just die at piece.

Spider-Man is a superhero that stays in real world the most as a means to inspire us, if anything he needs to stay and redefine his own relevance for every generation by simply being a never ending kid cliche that barely has it together, that's what he was in the jms era even as a married man.

The very first issue is actually pretty good until the end.

There's also no way for nerds who aren't specifically nerds for that thing to get their foot in the door. There's plenty of people who could write a damn good Batman story, but you end up with Batman fanboys at the helm trying to make some kind of deep, amazing epic that's actually shallow garbage.

Fuck Batman.

The worst part about the New 52 is that all its strongest books were ones that were going to come out anyway. The lesson that should have been learned is that a marketing blitz for strong new books could seriously push sales.

>a war to see who could be more mature and edgy
Someone should tell DC they can fucking stop it already

Best post ITT. You should all be ashamed of yourselves, really.

I'm a DC fan and I liked it. the DCU has never felt as cohesive as it did then, and it retroactively gives weight to JLI. plus we never would have gotten 52 without it

>Comes in as annoying shit head murderer
>Slowly over time comes to develop a respect for the Bat family
>Slowly enters the role of youngest brother
>Has to deal with his father's death immediately after getting to know him
>Begins to understand what Batman and Robin really mean
>Sacrifices himself to stop his mother

The only thing to come out of Identity Crisis, was the relationship between the Trinity, that grew a lot. For example, Batman giving Wonder Woman shit for murdering Maxwell Lord in OMAC and later Wonder Woman stopping Batman from murdering Alexander Luthor Jr in Inifinite Crisis. Or Superman being passive about everything that was happening before, and later taking charge and leading pretty much everyone later on. I thought those callbacks were really welldone.

Ennis wrote a good Constantine

> Amazon's Attack
> Devin Grayson Nightwing run
> Nightwing OYL
> Hawkgirl OYL
> Batgirl V. 2
> Amazon's Attack

The dumpster fire was bigger.

> Forgetting Robinson's Shade mini

Once you get worked up over the meaning of “edgy” you have already lost. I mean bitching about a word and then posting the definition everyone else besides you is using like it’s some kind of word from god is asstarded. user. Stop it.

Damian was an useless jackass under Morrison because that guy who too fucking to read the book he was referencing, Tony Daniel wrote him even worse in Battle for the Cowl with the whole crying for mommy scene while being rescued by Nightwing. Tomasi and Gleason and the folks behind Lil Gotham are the ones who actually made him likeable.

To be fair, Doctor Light being a good guy is part of the backstory. Arthur Light either killed or accidentally caused the death of the first Doctor Light and took over his shit.

This will never not anger me.
So fucking stupid.
>Oh shit, our fellow superhero is trying to prevent us from mind raping someone.
>Uh
>LET'S MIND RAPE HIM AND NEVER TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN

seems like DC comics has gotten progressively worse the longer Didio has been there.

I think he's an alien but they come from a race that uses Nth metal wings to fly around.

But Jaime is a well written character who does well on his own

Think about it, Ollie Queen thought this was a terrible idea. OLLIE QUEEN

I hate didio, but I also blame the consumers. Every time Didio greenlights something a bit more out there, it ends up as a sales disaster.
>Didio's DC-Humanoids partnership for US publishing of eurocomics falls flat and never takes off
>Didio's Hanna-Barbera Beyond books all fail with the exception of Scooby Doo Apocalypse
>Didio's favorites like Jonah Hex, Blue Beetle, Manhunter, and R.E.B.E.L.S. are kept alive beyond the cancellation threshold but still die young. Hex only lasted as long as it did because he's Didio's favorite character.
Everytime those things bombs, didio retreats to the edgier titles and storylines that do sell. The New 52 had fantastic bookstore market sales, and Didio is doubling down on that because 2018's rebirth bookstore sales were a disaster (60% down from 2016).

He pretty much wrote an entirely different character from the Moore, Veitch, and Delano stuff

>he hated Slobo and thought the character ruined Lobo.

I don't necessarily disagree with this. Slobo was fucking retarded.

Today I shall remind them.

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> Nightwing OYL

What, you don't like amorphous blob Jason eating someone after pretending to be Dick?

Imagine if he tried to promote good comics that are not out there. Or left it up to someone competent. I mean, Rebirth had good sales because it was recovering readers' good will, and he flushed it down the toilet.
What, you expected Hanna-Barbera to be a big seller?

>one of the big two copying shit from the other, turns out it's shit as well
Not a big surprise.