What would the anime boom of the 90s have been like in the World of Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

But what would this world look if it progressed up to that point?

the anime boom would likely have studios contact and make deals with anime character,s localization would probably irrritate some early anime characters as they feel the pride and soul of their original work is stripped away to "appeal to kids" of america. Im not sure on dubbing, but perhaps they speak japanese and have people dub them over for the filmings.

Imagine say Ash and co from Pokemon sitting down with Kids WB cartoons during a break.

Id like to think in the world of this film, some toons old and current during the time of the 90s and early 00s would be stuck in the thinking of "Cartoons are meant be comedic" and scoff at these anime characters for trying to be serious. It just comes from thats what they were made for and are used to.

Mate, don't try to start an actual discussion on this board, it's pointless. People don't actually share opinions here, neither can they understand a simple question.

What a shocking surprise. This board is about burning asses over anime and shitting all over calarts boogieman, just so next minute the offended can swallow deep said calarts cartoons and jack off over waifus which are shit to begin with.

Anime and cartoons are two different things.

Japanese animation (or "anime" if you either are Japanese or have been kicked as an infant, perhaps both) killed the respect that animators once had for animation---the respect that made Who Framed Roger Rabbit possible to begin with.

Japanese animation is the best in the world, though.

>or "anime" if you either are Japanese or have been kicked as an infant, perhaps both
It's the accepted term for Japanese animation.

uhh excuse me? if anything televised animation over here in the WEST did that far more than anime ever did if at all.

I always imagined it would've been like outsourcing
Japanese toons ask for less pay and are used to working with lesser budgets, and thus are easier to work with.

Large cities like LA would have "Little Japan"s around for immigrants animated and human alike And "dubbing" would actually be them learning the new language from scratch

The scripts would be trimmed and homogenized to fit more with "western toons" and be the subject of controversy, for lack of a better word, whitewashing their native culture for that or a more westernized one.

This would lead to more faithful scripts being made from studios like Funimation or ADV.

Also "Japanese toons" tend to mix better with more grounded and realistic western toons, notably the ones from Walt Disney Studios.

imagine toon learning of japanese hentai characters. the entire idea of a toon being sexual figure was seen as a lesser job given how Jessica was viewed as the lucky one in their relationship.

You couldn't do an anime Roger Rabbit because men would keep trying to molest all the toon girls

>Japanese animation is the best in the world, though.
See... well, the part you quoted, just remove "or 'anime'."

>It's the accepted term for Japanese animation.
And that's something I gotta live with. It's a marketing buzzword that's entered the English lexicon. It's not much of one, but what can you call it other than a real-life example of our own language being altered by corporatism?

>uhh
Jesus fucking Christ...

>if anything televised animation over here in the WEST did that far more than anime ever did if at all
You want to know what made Western animation so bad? Really, guess.

Say anything you want about your favorites, but one thing you cannot deny about Japanese animation is, if you're not familiar with most of it, it is extremely easy to get two disparate works in the field confused. In the West, you might only think two works were the same if they were made by the same studio or had similar teams of creators, or even if one was a direct spin-off of the other. In Japanese animation, this sort of confusion happens to the point of infamy. Unless it's something like Naruto and becomes popular enough to overthrow governments should they want to, an outsider would see the extensive catalog of similar-looking shows struggling to find what sets one apart from the dozen or three that look uncannily like it. Look through the "romance" section of any Japanese animation website and see if you could tell any of them, that you're not already familiar with, apart at a glance. What's more, read the plot synopsis for each work and count the similarities. A lot, right? This is before you've seen anything, say an episode per series, and are able to count the similarities between characters, or the endless clones of the same character types, or how many visual gags, plot points, right down to positions of characters in particular moments. If this many similarities were found between this many works in Western animation, hello new Gold Rush.

It would have been like foreign actors doing movies in other countries after their career starts to decline at home.

So an anime character gets drawn into existence in Japan. They either get popular or they don't. Eventually, they get hired by a western studio for a part and they cross the ocean to restart their career in the west. They might go home sometimes.

I like to imagine that, given anime's stylized characters and recurring character tropes, that certain anime 'toons' actually play multiple roles. Like, most of the tsundere characters in anime are basically interchangeable stock characters, so have them LITERALLY be the same 2-3 toons in different wigs, constantly competing with each other for each new show that comes out.

I also like to imagine that, given the inherent animism common in japanese media, that things like mecha are actually toons too. The Gundam isn't just a big drawn object, its actually its own 'actor' that just pretends to be driven by Amuro through the magic of film making. Mecha shows are shot the exact same way as tokusatsu shows, only instead of a guy in a rubber suit trashing the sound stage its a toon drawn like a robot.

>It's a marketing buzzword that's entered the English lexicon.
No it isn't. It's just the word we use for Japanese animation. Why are you so buttblasted by this word that you have to keep constantly going on about this?

>In Japanese animation, this sort of confusion happens to the point of infamy.
Well of course people who are completely unfamiliar with anime and probably have neurological problems have trouble distinguishing between different anime.

>What's more, read the plot synopsis for each work and count the similarities. A lot, right?
Anime is much more varied than American television.

>or the endless clones of the same character types
Character archetypes are not specific to anime.

>or how many visual gags, plot points, right down to positions of characters in particular moments
American media has its cliches too.

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>Say anything you want about your favorites, but one thing you cannot deny about Japanese animation is, if you're not familiar with most of it, it is extremely easy to get two disparate works in the field confused. In the West, you might only think two works were the same if they were made by the same studio or had similar teams of creators, or even if one was a direct spin-off of the other.

That is a result of anime's consistency of style, not degree of quality. western cartoons often adopt totally different character design styles every show, whereas anime largely uses variations of the same style for most of its work. That doesn't make particular shows that use that style any better or worse animated, and just because two shows have similar character designs doesn't speak tot he quality of how well those characters are animated or written.

No. To a Japanese person, Spongebob is anime.

Jap here, it isn't

Because in Japan it means animation. It literally means animation in Japan. How does this prove that cartoons and anime are the same?

The real question is: how do you prove they are different?

Everything about them is different, so why would they be the same?

>forgetting about the famicom wolf criers.

>a world where lolidom exists
take me there

>i member an old post about an interaction with Roger and Astroboy

>Nobody says anything about Famicom
>Brings up Famicom anyway
Way to out yourself you stupid fuck

I'm sorry OP. We used to be better than this.

Rhetoric. Thats a penalty, try it again and use substance this time or you are out of the conversation.

Kinda like the British Invasion, I imagine. The Japanese cartoons would have visits overseas in the countries they are popular in. In turn, this also means that any toons popular in other countries start having tours or at the very least getting fanmail overseas.

There'd also be a apparent shift in the type of cartoon characters that starts being born and older cartoon characters would be clinging onto what popularity they have through reruns and television, but some of them will slowly start to see themselves as obsolete.

false flag. are you even sure fami is even a real person and not a creation of Yea Forums?

Explain why two things are the same even though they have almost nothing in common.

Because cartoons are animation. You ass chimp.

Yes, they are. How does this prove that cartoons and anime are the same thing?

Because they're both animated works.

A knife, a screwdriver and a hammer are all tools. Are they all the same kind of tool?

Japanese Men are literally beta males who are afraid of sexual desires. Toon Girls like Haman, Kikyo, Lalah, Lalah, Fujiko and all other pre-00 girls would wear the pants in the relationship.

Birth rates are too low in the West, everyone is in hysterics about the incel army, and Westerners have become so cucked that we are going to be replaced by foreigners.

Well how are anime and cartoons different enough to be classified as two different things?
They're both animated works, sometimes anime can even be comedy.

Would a hammer made in Japan suddenly not be a hammer anymore?

that thing with the mech NEEDS to be a thing now. thats genius.

These are all berries. They look different, taste different, have different nutritional values. They are still all berries, thank you for listening to my food analogy.

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Everything about them is different, and the end result is two very different kinds of animation that have very little in common. Why should they not be considered different?

>Would a hammer made in Japan suddenly not be a hammer anymore?
Your logic is that cartoons and anime are the same because they are both animation. This is equivailent to saying that a knife, a screwdriver and a hammer are all the same thing because they are all tools.

Show me where I said that anime is not animation.

A cartoon is an animated set of pictures, anime is an animated set of pictures. They are the same you could just as easily call anime cartoons as you could call cartoons anime.

Knives, screwdrivers and hammers are handles attached to a metal piece. Therefore they are all the same. This is your logic.

No but THEY ARE TOOLS DUMBASS! Your trying to argue that a tool made in Japan isn't a tool anymore because reasons.

A cartoon made in Japan is still a cartoon even if it's called something different, same with a tool, or a cheese.

It's a different schools of animation.

They are all tools they can all be called tools.

>They're different because I said so!
Can you specify how they're different? Name a few examples?

Yes, they are tools. Just like cartoons and anime are animation. But this doesn't make them the same, just as different tools are not the same. This is really, really elementary reasoning you're failing to grasp here.

>A cartoon made in Japan is still a cartoon
Did I say otherwise?

And cartoons and anime can be called animation, but that doesn't make them the same.

> Displaying successive drawings to create an illusion of movement when the images are shown as a sequence, set to recorded music and voice lines

Did I just describe a western cartoon or a Japanese anime? It can't be both, after all you said they have nothing in common.

They're all classified as tools so yeah they are.
By your logic a book isn't a book if it was written in Japan because you said so. You'll say its WAY DIFFERENT without ever specifying why or how, just saying they are different.

Character design, animation, backgrounds, storyboarding, music, sound, acting, writing, the production process... they're all different, and nobody has ever managed to explain what would make them the same. What makes Donald Duck the same as Akira? You can't explain that.

Shut the hell up Famicom

>>A cartoon made in Japan is still a cartoon
>Did I say otherwise?
Read what you quoted, but slowly.

>A piece of metal attached to a handle
Did I just describe an axe, a screwdriver, a hammer or a knife? Looks like they're all the same thing!

>They're all classified as tools so yeah they are.
Really? You would use a hammer to attach a screw, and use a screwdriver to drive in a nail? Why do you think these different tools were created in the first place?

>By your logic a book isn't a book if it was written in Japan because you said so
Show me where I employed this logic.

>You'll say its WAY DIFFERENT without ever specifying why or how, just saying they are different.
Show me what makes cartoons and anime the same.

Show me where I said that a cartoon made in Japan isn't a cartoon.

> Everything about them is different

You need to stop saying that and provide actual examples. Throwing up your hands and saying 'everything is different!' is not just childish and lazy, its so obviously false that its confusing why you would even try to claim it.

I just stated examples: And the burden of proof isn't even on me, it's on you. You started claiming they're the same, so how are they the same?

> Looks like they're all the same thing!

The difference is that no one ever claimed that knives, axes, and other tools couldn't share qualities. You keep saying that western and japanese animation have nothing in common.

I never said they have literally nothing in common.

How? What makes Japanese story boarding different? What makes the animation so fundamentally different?

Catroons for children, it's all knows. Anime not only.

(Cont.) This is because Japan's animation industry is more tight-budgeted than our own. For us, it's to do with the decline of television. In Japan, it's the decline of export sales due to the fact that nobody in Japan apparently knows how to export their own animation, or market it to people who want it. This leads to shortcuts in animation, in writing, all the way to art styles. It breads a culture of people borrowing tips on making cheap animation and making it look good to the untrained eye, with writing meant to sound good to the untrained ear.

I bring all of this up because, this is what the corporate heads of studios want animation to be. They want everything to be a carbon-copy of the next, continually drip-feeding into you directly without distraction or interruption, made with only minimal effort or, once we automate the art form, none, with everyone watching obediently like this is what animation has always been. We see it in the West as the "Steven Universe"s and "We Bare Bears"s, shows made to rope you in on emotions and naught else but pretty pictures, gussied up with what someone told someone else with their fingers crossed was "mature subject matter."

>No it isn't. It's just the word the Japanese use for all animation
At the very least, it's a wholly unnecessary double loanword. How hard is it to say four extra syllables, for fuck's sake?

>Anime is much more varied than American television.
Don't make me laugh.

>Character archetypes are not specific to anime.
>Not knowing what a "tsundere" is

>American media has its cliches too.
These aren't "cliches," these are visual gags being copied whole cloth across multiple seemingly different series, otherwise bound only by country. I'm talking about bulging veins, bloody noses and whatever the fuck is supposed to happen when a character flies into the sky with a burst of light. Those visual gags, copied with little if any variation.

Do you watch anime any differently from a cartoon?

>just because two shows have similar character designs doesn't speak tot he quality of how well those characters are animated or written.
That'd be true if it was just two, not at least three-quarters of MyAnimeList's archives. You want to talk about well-written characters? What the fuck is a "-dere"?

>Show me where I said that a cartoon made in Japan isn't a cartoon.
You've been bitching that they're two different things this entire time you fucking retarded goldfish.

>Do you watch anime any differently from a cartoon?
Yeah, cartoons for kids.

Actually the burden of proof IS on you, because you are the one making a positive claim (these two forms of animation are different). We are making a negative claim (these two forms of animation are functionally the same). You can't prove a negative, you can only show the absence of a confirmed positive which isn't the same thing because its limited by sample size.

Thats just basic logic.

So that means the burden of proof is on you to showcase why your position is correct, because your argument of is the one that can be taken to a logical conclusion, whereas a negative claim cannot.

The burden of proof isn't based on who started talking first, its based on logical progression to a proof.

For example anime uses a very wide variety of different camera angles and camera movements that are rarely if ever found in cartoons. Anime shots have more depth to them while cartoons are flat. The animation is so different that I can look at some American show from the 80s and immediately notice that the animation was done in Japan because of the way it moves.

>In Japan, it's the decline of export sales due to the fact that nobody in Japan apparently knows how to export their own animation, or market it to people who want it.
Foreign sales have been growing every year and make up a very substantial portion of the industry's profits. Almost every single anime is released in the West.

>This leads to shortcuts in animation, in writing, all the way to art styles.
All animation take shortcuts, and anime has the most complex stories and character designs.

>At the very least, it's a wholly unnecessary double loanword. How hard is it to say four extra syllables, for fuck's sake?
Anime is much shorter than "Japanese animation."

>Don't make me laugh.
It's a fact. Anime has pretty much all conventional genres plus numerous genres of its own. Even conventional genres that American TV doesn't have.

>Not knowing what a "tsundere" is
I know what it is. What about it?

>These aren't "cliches," these are visual gags being copied whole cloth across multiple seemingly different series, otherwise bound only by country.
That's exactly what they are.

No, but I also don't watch live action movies any differently. Are they the same as cartoons?

Except you never explained what makes ANY OF THOSE THINGS DIFFERENT. Listing things is not the same as explaining how they're fundamentally different. So how is the storyboarding different? Oh right you never elaborated. Just throw it on to the list nobody will notice!

Tatsunoko and probably Classics like Astro Boy.

Oh? Can you quote me saying that a cartoon isn't a cartoon when it's made in Japan?

You said they're the same, so now you must prove they are. The burden of proof is on you. Basic logic. Can you show that they are the same?

See above.

>What the fuck is a "-dere"?

Its a way of describing the interactions between two characters based on their personality and how that personality progresses (or fails to) over the course of the story arc. So a tsundere, or a "hard-soft", is a character that starts off as abrasive but slowly becomes more openly affectionate. Its a way to shorthand a bunch of relevant information about a character.

Its like saying that a character in a western cartoon is a tomboy, or a jock, or a nerd. Not all jocks are the same, not all tomboys are the same, and so on... but as a descriptor it tells you a lot of relevant information about the character and their associated tropes and personality.

What a fucking nerd

>I don't have any way to prove what I'm saying so you prove I'm wrong!
You still never elaborated on a single point nigger.

>people wasting time arguing with an Yea Forumsutist going full meltdown over not accepting anime are cartoons

Okay people, we have officially crossed the line from 'potentially has something to say but is bad at expressing it' into 'its obviously just pretending to be retarded as a trolling tactic'.

Stop engaging with him and move on. He knows he is wrong, he is just stringing you along.

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I did. Why are you lying?

Show me where I have melted down, and prove that anime and cartoons are the same.

You cannot demonstrate that I am trolling and you cannot demonstrate that I am wrong. All of your arguments have been terrible and I have shot them down.

your the exact same tard from yesterday screaming prove me you can diagnose autism, it ain't difficult to tell kid and the fact that others haven't noticed your ritualistic shitposting is sad. at this point the only solution is hope you get perma banned for shitting up the board for months with same same tired garbage.

Listing things isn't elaborating on them.

You accused me of having autism so the burden of proof was on you to prove it, and I had every right to demand you to prove it.

>kid
I'm far older than you.

>your ritualistic shitposting
I have done no such thing.

>at this point the only solution is hope you get perma banned for shitting up the board for months with same same tired garbage.
Permabanned for what? Refuting your false claims about anime? Defending myself when you attack me?

See

God, so much bullshit...

>Foreign sales have been growing every year and make up a very substantial portion of the industry's profits.
Tell me how true that'll be when JoJo gets cancelled, or when the last "Rebuild" movie is released.

>All animation take(s) shortcuts
No shit.

>and anime has the most complex stories and character designs
How long does this joke go on for?

>Anime is much shorter than "Japanese animation."
So you admit you're lazy and welcome Newspeak due to your laziness.

>I know what it is. What about it?
It's what I was talking about with "endless clones of the same character type," you fucking Alzheimer's patient.

>Not all jocks are the same, not all tomboys are the same
Then why are all tsuderes the same?

>Tell me how true that'll be when JoJo gets cancelled, or when the last "Rebuild" movie is released.
JoJo has been running continuously since 2012 with five seasons and 24 episodes minimum. Rebuild is entirely up to Anno. What's your point?

>No shit.
Then what was your point?

>How long does this joke go on for?
Where in American animation can you find storytelling and character design of the sample complexity?

>So you admit you're lazy and welcome Newspeak due to your laziness.
It's not newspeak. There's nothing wrong with it. We use shortened version of words all the time. Phones are telephones.

>It's what I was talking about with "endless clones of the same character type," you fucking Alzheimer's patient.
Tsundere is a meme that Westerners obsess over for no reason. It's just another character archetype among many others.

>Then why are all tsuderes the same?
They're not the same any more than anyone else is the same.

Heavily laden with imported Japanese toon prostitutes.

>This would lead to more faithful scripts being made from studios like Funimation

H E R C U L E

I imagine that the Americans would have imported Japanese "Actors/Actress'" from older, retired shows.

Japanese cartoons are the best.

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Do the cartoons in toontown always existed there, and they just get hired when a studio have a new idea for a cartoon? Or do they magically appear there when an artist draws a new character?

Perhaps there are more than one Toon Town in the world.

it's here

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And where exactly do you think he is?

Yes please.

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There are explicit references to the toons being drawn, so I would assume that they are made by an artist but once they manifest they are their own being.

Frankly, its a wonder they are not legally owned by the studio as property. There must have been some kind of toon rights movement to secure their freedom.

>In the world of Who Framed Roger Rabbit
It wouldn't exist. Too tame and vanilla.
Cool World on the other hand...kek

日本人 here. Japan has a very strict idea of what is Japanese and what is not. This is more about your emotional hang ups. Is animation. Is not the same. Not so hard?

Toon town little Tokyo when?

Stop making this thread, faggot. If you wanted SM porn, make a thread on Yea Forums.

>an actual interesting question
lol
Fuck off, OP. You will forever be an annoying faggot.

I posted Sailor Moon cause it was one of the defining 90s anime that got super popular over here in America you shit. It pertains to the question.

Did WFRR ever establish a conflict between the slapstick Formula Toons and the Hanna Barbera Sitcom lite Formula toons?

uhhh those didnt exist in times the movie is set in user....