"M-Muh honor"

My "limited" view is the only view that makes sense, fuck Zuko and fuck Iroh. Traitors get the bullet

>I shouldn't tell the police about the kidnapped children my dad has chained to the radiator in the basement because that makes me a c-c-c-cuck!

It was clear from the start that this was a bait thread but good job, you got my reply

This

>Iroh the fucking traitor and weakling knowing anything about Honor
Laffin. He literally admits that he's a submissive humblefag that fully content with fucking over his heritage because lil bro Ozai was a bwig meanie

you expect a kid to figure shit out so quickly after how fucked up his upbringing is?

Imagine being so cucked by your government that you think honor and patriotic nationalism are the same thing.

Family sticks together you, no matter what. Zuko has displayed nothing but cowardice since he was born

>I shouldn't help my country during wartime because they are the bad guys
Then why does the USA still exists?

It is in this case. It's wartime and Zuko betrays his nation, the same nation thar birthed him. He dishonored his nation by letting himself become a puppet fire lord. He dishonored his nation when he let the colonies go. And the fact is, when you dishonor your nation, your literal birth place, your FUCKING HOME, yoi dishonor yourself. Fuck traitors

Sozin was right. The Fire Nation was the most advanced nation and he went to Roku, his childhood friend, to get help spreading culture peacefully. Roku then decided that he is the king of everything and COMMANDED his own Fire Lord to stand down.

When Sozin made a colony in the middle of nowhere, Roku destroyed it because for no apparent reason the Earth Kingdom gets to own the land forever despite never doing anything with it.

Roku was a treasonous shit and deserved his death. If he weren't such a shitty Avatar, citizen, friend, and human being then Sozin wouldn't have gone crazy and preemptively genocided the Air Nomads.

Your definition of honor sounds like the very definition of a cuck. Are you aware of that? Try to think hard about it, even tho you won't.
>H-h-he should've just sucked off Daddy's cock
>t. honorfag

This thread is what happens when an user is too much of a brainlet even for /pol/

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>cartoon has more simplified moral and political concepts than reel lyfe
I SAID YEP, WHAT A CONCEPT

>doing whatever your family says no matter what just because they're related
who da cuck now lol

He didn't figure anything out though. The longer the series went on the more cucked and braindead he got. He go to emotional and retarded

>Helpimg your nation prosper and grow is cucked!!!
Yikes, you braindead fans are cracy stupid aren't you?

Zuko, as he is thinking about his own selfish BS instead of doing what's best for his home
Nation>self

>Iroh and Zuko are too weak to beat Ozai and Azula and get into power ever
>they become friends with the good guys and help them overthrow the fire nation leadership "for the greater good"
Really makes you think.

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t. Ozai

Striving for an over-stretched empire doomed to collapse was short sighted lol

>Doomed to collapse
Oh please, after the avatar dies everything automatically fixes itself
>War ends, peace is restored
>History books are rewritten, Fire nation good, other nations bad
>anti-phoenix forces labeled terrorists, all killed
>new Avatar that is reborn is immidietaly captured as Ozai controls the world, Avatar is locked up, but kept alive
It won't be easy but eventually it stabilizes

>Fire nation says they are sharing their technology and civilization with the world as their goal
>Proceeds to commit genocide, enslave, and be all around dick to the rest of the world
>Fast foward a century an idiot is born that actually believes the propaganda and thinks the Fire Nation isn't following through with its stated goal
Zuko is honoring his Ancestors original wish even if the wish is a lie. So he was honoring his ancestors
The problem here is that Sozin chose a stupid Cassus Belli he didn't follow through on and that anyone with a brain could poke holes through. His true believer actually believed the lie and uses that to justify his actions.

The fire nation was about to dishonor themselves by crowning a female firelord, my boy zuko had none of that shit

Based

Azula is unironically more of a man than Zuko'll ever be

It all goes down to Zuko being retarded Azula understood what sozin wanted completely, so did Ozai

Their only mistake was she should have been called a Fire Lady or similar.

Also
>Who is Izumi

how much does netflix pay you to shill here?

you already made more than 5 atla threads that never go somewhere

I'm starting to believe he isn't shitposting but actually believes what hes saying.

Pretty much, this is why you have to have good Cassus Belli.
>Genocide Air Benders
>Rewrite history as punitive expedition for suspected treachery on the firenation
>Conquer Earth Bender
>We have heard the cries and pleas of those suffering under the corruption of the King, we march to instill order and root out corruption.
>Water Benders
>Who gives a shit they're in the poles only thing there is fishes.
>Water Benders have been encroaching our waters, we've warned them for the last time
Simple solutions to easy problems. Why the hell you you make it bringing technology people can call you out on it and prove you're a lying sack of shit.

Yea Forums is just genuinely that obsessed with the franchise, even if it takes only two forms, threads about the girls and enormous bitchfests

>WAHHH!!!! WAHHHH!!! STOP MAKING AVATAR THREADS THAT AREN'T ABOUT HOW MUCH AZULA AND ZUKO SHOULD FUCK OR HOW AWFUL THE COMICS ARE WAHHHH!!! STOP MAKING UNIQUE THREADS WITH UNPOPULAR OPINIONS

Okay I was with you until that last part. Complaining-about-Avatar/Korra-threads aren't exactly what I'd denote as fresh and unique topics

>STOP MAKING UNIQUE
>UNIQUE
You have been making this same thread for a couple days now. Even made a 1-1 copy when the first one got ignored.

I'm aware, which is funny as a thread about Azula and Zuko fucking and A anti-comic thread was up with 100s of replies. I will obviously try again. Now stop worrying about my threads you fucking retard

Is this guy actualy retarded or is he just baiting?

So you're spamming these threads out of anger due to Avatar threads clogging the catalog for a month or so. Is that it?

cease bumparooni

Yikes...!
Have sex, you seething incel.

I'm "spamming" these threads because the current Avatar threads are god awful and suck.
>this guy has an opinion unlike my own? Is this guy serious?
Go fuck yourself
Not an argument you coping piece of trash, dilate

>fire nation
>commits genocide and enslaves people across the globe and even kill each other
>tried to fuck the world beyond repair by killing the moon
>Azula and Ozai apologists trying their best to avoid this information that makes them look retarded when vilifying Zuko

He was in the middle of his redemption arc, got scared, abandoned it, then finally got back to it and finished it.

Hahaha you actualy so retarded you can't understand cartoon for children

Don’t forget ozai is an honorless cuck who had his wife poison his father for him like a coward and azula broke the rules of agni kai and attacked a spectator when it was clear she was going to be defeated. Zuko has far more honor than the previous leaders of the fire nation

His "redemption" arc was already in place though. Him embarassing Ozai at the meeting, him cowering like a dog at the agni kai, him being a weak piece of shit was all supposed to be redeemed when he captured the Avatar. Instead he betrays his people, his nation and his family. "BUT HEHE XD THAT'S THE POINT, REAL REDEMPTION CAME LATER XDD" NOO!!, SHUT THE FUCK UP. HE DIDN'T REDEEM SHIT, HE FUCKED HIS NATION UP AND SPAT ON HIS FAMILY. Puppet firelord Zuko

You're so retarded you can't understand that blindly following retarded fags like bryce and his gay lover is moronic and insulting. There's a reason this series sucks ass. I'm not defending the writing here

>because the current Avatar threads are god awful and suck.
Yes they do suck since one half is made by outragebaiting retards and the other is made by 2 or 3 autist from /aco/ that didn't get we were just shipping and sharing porn. But the thing is you're also part of the first half since you are using the same tactics as them and unapologetically admiting that you will keep on "Trying again", so I don't get how you think you are in any position to call anyone a retard, retard.

Zuko wouldn't know what honor was if it slapped him in his face

I'm the Hero that will save Avatar on Yea Forums unironically. I will kill shipping fags and incest fags. I will redeem this shitty awful series

>I'm an autist and I will keep on spamming the catalog.
Ok.

Seethe harder faggot, your days are numbered

You don't discover who you are without breaking some expectations.

Have you ever read the real history of the Sengoku period in Japan? The very period our and Japan's ideas of honorable Samurai came from?

They kept betraying each other constantly.

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Akshually, the idea of the samurai as a honor-obsessed warrior ready too commit sudoku over litterally anything came from the Edo period.
Without wars, there was no reason for a warrior caste to exist with so many privileges. So, they began acting as paragons of culture and honor. It's being forced to justify their place in society during centuries of peace that made the samurai what they were in the 19th century.

He did,
His shit crazy family members were gonna run the nation into the ground.
But I assume your too dense to get this
>cuz famwy aways wite!

His father burned half his face for saying killing your own troops is stupid. Fuck them they're nutjobs that wanted to burn down most of the known world for no reason, going along with that isn't honorable. In the end he stuck with Iroh his true family.

fpbp

>His family were gonna run his nation to the ground
LOL, the only people who actively tried to destroy the Fire nation in that family were zuko abd iroh. Ozai and Azula were cracy but obviously had the best in mind for the Fire nation, to think otherwise is stupid, think a bit.

We all know Iroh was a terrible person who wanted his 14 year old niece dead

No. Sever the umbilical cord.

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Retard, his father burned him for interrupting a meeting where senior generals were in, the arrogance of a 13 year old boy, prince or not, to completely disregard a general like that shamed Ozai greatly, zuko had to be punished. Also, weakening and distracting troops with shields has always been a viable strategy. They are too far in to just quit the war, quitting would make everything the fire nation has fought for pointless all these years, all the fire nation soldiers woul have died for nothing.

Meat shields*

Senior Generals arent exempt from criticisms, the plans were stupid as a prince he had every right to criticize.
>They are too far in to just quit the war, quitting would make everything the fire nation has fought for pointless all these years, all the fire nation soldiers woul have died for nothing.
Thats what truces are for, you can't just send people into a meat grinder constantly. Sometimes you have to step back and recover your manpower before trying again.

>Akshually, the idea of the samurai as a honor-obsessed warrior ready too commit sudoku over litterally anything came from the Edo period.

I've also heard a lot of the time there were loopholes around the whole ritual suicide thing. I've heard that if you were part of the losing team in a battle, the rival shogun would just say "hey, your current lord has failed you, come work for me instead".

>"hey, your current lord has failed you, come work for me instead".
Thats true. Samurai's can use a whole bunch of shit to justify betrayal.

>The literal 13 year old prince, having no prrvious experience had right to storm into the meeting and sperg out autistically, before his Father, the fucking firelord, has time to speak. Zuko had no right

>Truces
No way, the public has been propagandized for years, too far in. Doubt the Earth kingdom would accept any peace treaties that aren't unconditional surrender either

If your strategy is so shit said prince notices, then you needed to be called out lol

Kids used to attend these meeting to point out flaws. Its not Zuko's fault their strategy was shit.

Irrelevant and childish t b h. Doesn't matter what the plan is,(and the plan isn't as bad as you think it is either) you can't just disrespect your generals like that, especially infront of your father, it makes Ozai look weak. I want to point out again that Zuko is like 13 and a virgin at war meetings, you can't just barge in like that.

It is Zuko's fault for being a disrespectful little shit that speaks before Ozai can even say anything

Fuck what the public thinks, if you can't contral the public you have no right to be king.
>Doubt the Earth kingdom would accept any peace treaties that aren't unconditional surrender either
Considering their kingdom was under siege and full of corrupt politicians im certain all that was needed was a few palms being greased

>Betrays his sister
what matters is that they made up in the end

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Ozai beating his kid in front of his generals and populace makes him look weak. A king cowed by his generals is inept
> Zuko is like 13
So? how do you think people learn. If you didnt question your teachers you're a dumb sheep.

>Zuko is prince of the fire nation! He must do everything to better the fire nation or he’s a cuck!
>wtf!!! Why is Zuko shitting on this wasteful ill conceived plan!? What a cuck!
>VIRGIN KEK KEK VIRGIN KEK KEK KEK

What Zuko should have done is wait til the meeting was over, then confide with his father or perhaps a general and with the upmost respect, point out the flaw and ask if he's missing something. While doing this, emphasis his youth and lack of experience.

>Fuck what the public thinks
*Civil war intensifies*
>Considering their kingdom was under siege and full of corrupt politicians im certain all that was needed was a few palms being greased
I doubt it, think of it this way, the Fire nation has full out assaulted the earthkingdom for decades, they eventually fail and ask for a truce. Do you realise how fucking weak the fire nation looks here? They will be mogged in any peace terms and their own people will be against any decision they make

No, in this case it doesn't. In war meetings, Ozai's general go before his son, that's just how it is. The only way Ozai is looking weak is how Zuko, his son, talks with the generals. Zuko speaks as if he's an equal to the generals, or even superior. Wether this is true or not doesn't matter, it makes Zuko look like a bratty piece of shit and had Ozai done nothing, he would lose the respect od his generals and look weak for letting his Son sperg out before him.

Alexander the great begs to differ.

Marginally better but still a bad decision. What he should have done is be silent in and after the meeting, slowly learning each and every general's views and opinions. He should visit every meeting from there onwards yet wait until he has actual battle experience to talk and argue. He should also always let Ozai speak first

They got WiFi in the cells Ozai?

>*Civil war intensifies*
Good if a king lets a situation deteriorate that far he deserves to be replaced.
> they eventually fail and ask for a truce. Do you realise how fucking weak the fire nation looks here? They will be mogged in any peace terms and their own people will be against any decision they make
You make it sound like its a bad thing, lots of wars are won after a truce is made. Especially because the the enemies thought the truce made them weaker instead of stronger.

Irrelevant

Ozai sat his ass out of the wall he had even less right to speak then his son. Even his throne came to him because of a woman. His generals walked all over him because he was a dumbass

Do you understand how you sound right now? Why the fuck would a line willingly let itself die out? The sozin line will do whatever it can to survive and stay in power. If their decisions are popular with the people aswell, then who can complain? People outside the FN maybe, but their opinion doesn't matter

There is absolutely no way this "truce" will make the FN stronger kek

>"Here is the man who was making ready to cross from Europe to Asia, and who cannot even cross from one table to another without losing his balance."
>Alexander said this to his father who drunkenly stumbled onto to the ground.
Stupid deeds need to be pointed out lest you drag your entire nation down.

His generals didn't walk over him though, the respected him and Ozai respected them. In anyplace else Ozai would have been the leading partaker in conversation but at the war meeting his generals are obviously the main planners. Ozai being there was more semantics than anything else

>There is absolutely no way this "truce" will make the FN stronger kek
Can use that time to build more equipment, redraw supply lines, focus on taking out the water tribe first. There are a myriad of ways to make it work.
>he sozin line will do whatever it can to survive and stay in power.
Their's was a line of tyrants pretending they give a shit about what the people think is an outright lie.

*Macedonian empire splitting apart and being claimed by other empires*
Nothin personel. Also it's silly to compare Zuko with Alexander. The FN was amready winning the war at this point. This battle was not that important either. Zuko was mad because they would sacrifice some greens inorder to kill elite troops. This is cruel yet hardly stupid

>His generals didn't walk over him though, the respected him and Ozai respected them.
Name some times where respect was shown. It was clear Ozai had incompetent glory hounds who were putting themselves above the king.

Hello!! The Earth kingdom is allied to the Water tribes, no way would the Earth boys abandon the water tribes.

These "Glory hounds" were winning the war though.

They were fucking up royal. That shit with the moon would have consequences so disastrous the fire nation would have starved to death.

Name once they "disrespected" him. They were in a war meeting, obviously they will speak freely, they are fucking generals, seniors at that. A seething king mad at his general for talking war is stupid.

>Zhao is a senior general
Zhao was a moron

> The Earth kingdom is allied to the Water tribes, no way would the Earth boys abandon the water tribes.
Thats what truces are for. How do you think Hitler got so many land gains.

By not being at war and asking weak nations for land millitarily until they get tired of him and btfo him

great no argument you have there

Forcing him to beat his son

>By not being at war and asking weak nations for land
Exactly that would have helped out the fire nation immensely

Lol, Ozai wanted to fuck up his son, they "forced" shit

Read the rest, and the FN not being at war is impossible as the Earth kingdom will never let them go without unconditional surrender

>they get tired of him and btfo him
Who's they? Once the water tribes were taken care of, the Fire nation could put full focus onto the Earth Kingdom
>Earth kingdom will never let them go without unconditional surrender
On what grounds can they even demand that in a truce.

>zuko challenges a general
>General accepts
>Ozai: hey man let me beat up my own son in front of the kingdom and destroy my prestige
>General: sure go for it Dumbass

>had Ozai done nothing, he would lose the respect od his generals and look weak for letting his Son sperg out before him.

Ozai could have simply reprimanded him. Zuko was 13 and inexperienced, he was bound to make mistakes. You don't callenge your own son to a mortal combat in front of your generals and then send him to fuck off on a boat for years for speaking out of turn, how the fuck is this supposed to teach you how to be a warlord?

This is unironically the best answer so far.

You're confusing honor with glory and conquest. Using weak soldiers as a distraction might be strategically sound but it is dishonorable. Honor is not about doing the smart thing.

Maybe, but Ozai had already decided that Azula should inherit at that point. I'm sure that affected his decision making

see you don't embarass your family or yourself to that extent for some general.

Book 2 Varrick was fucking based, probably my favorite villain in the entire Avatar universe.

Why does she wear glasses if she's deaf?

He was pretending to be retarded, like you op

>Implying

cough

What even is the point, op? Are you so bored and devoid of interesting things in your life that you'd not only make this obvious bait thread, but religiously defend a point so retarded no one could believe in it?

He pretty much admitted to it earlier in the thread.

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>Zuko gets the OP avatar to do his dirty work
>honor

The only reason their plan sounded shit is to make Zuko look good. There is no way a 13 year old inexperienced kid can see the large picture. The act on it's own is not unrealistic. Young people do this all the time. Especially in politics. They see one problem and think they could make it disappear in a heartbeat but never ever thinking about why is it like that or what would be the consequences.

The show justifies his acts to make him sympathetic.

At which point was it specified that defeating Ozai was his job or obligation? It was always the avatar's duty to keep balance and Aang already had (unintentionally) sentenced the world to a 100 years war. It always was Aang's destiny to defeat the fire nation and show them that the world balance is not to be fucked with. Zuko did see stopping Azula from keeping the suffering going as his obligation, and challenged her to an honorable duel (in wich she dishoronably cheated).