>there will be no drawn panels >Toby wanted to make music for the upcoming flashes, but Hussie hired other guys instead >Karkat sacrifices himself to save Dave from an attack >Jade stops AltCalliope and Dirk by turning into a black hole and trapping herself and them together >the ending will be bittersweet
GOOD MOOOOOORNING Yea Forums! Just wanted to remind you that we're another day closer to Vriska (yes, THE Vriska Serket) becoming relevant again in the Homestuck epilogues! Make sure to save your tears for the upcoming upd8 when Vriska steals the spotlight!
>But she's in a doomed timeline! She will never matter again!
"No!"
Vriska is the Thief of Light, Light is the aspect of relevance. How do you expect her to fulfill her role and steal relevance when she's already relevant? Of course she's in a doomed timeline, and she stopped mattering. Fow now. But wait until her Thief of Light nature brings her back. It's only a matter of time.
If you think the Thief of Light stealing John's phone and Terezi contact, effectively stealing the only way the Candy timeline can still matter in regards to canon, is a coincidence, you're dead wrong. Her contacting Terezi is definitely going to have some impact on the Meat timeline, where Terezi is. Maybe she'll just talk her out of Dirk's control, maybe she'll go as far as dooming the Meat timeline. In any case, Vriska is clearly not done mattering.
However, feel free to continue your denial. Your tears of disappointment will be all the more sweeter! ::::)
Of course she is coming back. But I wonder if the falseflagging is worth it? >dooming meat timeline She is gonna doom the whole candy timeline. Cute, but irrelevant npc stuck in an awful universe.
>no drawn panels >flashes Someyhing dosen't add up
Christopher Lee
People keep raving about this thing but every time I give it a cursory glance it seems to be about 95% Homestuck but in babytalk (sorry I mean Homestuck SATIRE), and 5% "serious" story with art barely better than the deliberatley bad stuff, faux-Hussie writing several rungs below actual-Hussie writing, and such cool OCs as Purple Doc Scratch. I don't see the appeal.
Ethan Carter
It's mostly makin raving about it
Samuel Perez
People like it because it gives the same sense of mystery and plot relevations that Homestuck did.
No, fuck, that leaves a ton of unanswered questions. Act 7 by itself is terrible .
Christopher Campbell
I should've known Hussie hated Jade after he gave all her potential party boat intermission screentime to Dead Vriska.
Alexander Rogers
>johnrose >2019
David Jenkins
There's one thing and one thing only that would be an engaging continuation of the Homestuck series as it stands now.
A 71 second video of Andrew announcing that he has cancer.
Jeremiah White
Don't worry, he gave her all the screentime she needed in epilogue. Now she has a dick and is a bitch who only cares about her own happiness in one timeline, and a coma patient in the other
>Terezi reunites with John >She's finally able to say the words "I love you" to him, tears streaming down her face as she cries out all her anger, frustration, sadness, fear, and happiness in a wave of catharsis >But she finds the words aren't enough to express her feelings >She considers having sex with him again there but that isn't enough either >Only the request "Will you marry me?" can suffice for her
Jonathan Adams
>no one will ever draw loli roxy domming adult john you ever want to learn how to draw just for porn?
Ayden Collins
>roxy >domming
Kayden Perry
The Lalondes are switches, okay. Besides, John's too vanilla. He didn't even like it that much when Terezi backhanded him.
Levi Cruz
>Lalondes are switches just keep telling yourself that, it might make it slightly less fake someday but probably not
>He didn't even like it that much when Terezi backhanded him. cause backhanding isn't typically an expression of affection while all the other stuff can be. dude was still madly in love with terezi afterwards despite all the ambiguous blackrom stuff.
Caleb Gomez
It's not that strange of an idea
Josiah Green
Actually posting a picture isn't a strange idea either
I know he's really into Terezi. He's still probably pretty vanilla sex-wise though.
Joshua Foster
well duh, he was afraid that he wouldn't be able to reciprocate terezi's black feelings for him, but he still couldn't stop himself from loving her anyway and even if he didn't die i don't think it would've been an issue
Colton Ward
How did Karkat + kiwis become a thing?
Grayson Watson
rtfc
Andrew Campbell
>jane and jade are hetero women who make everyone around them miserable and are abandoned by everyone they love >dave and jake are bisexual men who are miserable when married to women and are only happy when with men >rose is a lesbian and is never miserable >roxy as a trans man is completely happy but roxy as a cis woman is only happy when she's divorced her husband >john is a heterosexual man who ends up broken and sad when he marries a woman and ends up dead when he fucks an alien >dirk tries to have a woman and is vilified by everyone
i feel like this shit has ended five times already none of these tacked on endings have any weight bc they feel like someone repeatedly saying AND ANOTHER THING and coming back after an argument
Benjamin Wilson
It makes compete and total sense. For 3 years she lived with and maybe dated an alien whose species doesn't have the concept of gender, or good and evil, or a culture that isn't based around weird candy shit. You think that wouldn't change someone? Calliope is a corrupting influence on people and narratives.
William Ramirez
homestuck hasnt really ended because in a way it can't, like a bad childhood.
Eli Peterson
>jane and jade are hetero women who make everyone around them miserable and are abandoned by everyone they love Forcing your way into a relationship never goes well >dave and jake are bisexual men who are miserable when married to women and are only happy when with men Dave needed closure and there were multiple timelines where he spent happy lives with Jade. Also, see above. >rose is a lesbian and is never miserable Only when all evil influencers are cut out from her life. She was pretty miserable in Meat, and could only find happiness in a world she was blind in. >roxy as a trans man is completely happy but roxy as a cis woman is only happy when she's divorced her husband Roxy reached self-actualization in one timeline but silenced herself in another due to poor communication. She was still happy with her life regardless. >john is a heterosexual man who ends up broken and sad when he marries a woman and ends up dead when he fucks an alien Because he got into a whirlwind marriage with a girl he barely knew and couldn't relate his issues to. He died after fucking the alien because he was mortally wounded from combat before and needed medical attention. >dirk tries to have a woman and is vilified by everyone Aforementioned woman is his daughter.
Blake Jenkins
Yeah this is the third "ending" we've gotten. But this one at least wrapped up a lot of questions people had.
Logan Robinson
>Forcing your way into a relationship never goes well If Dave and Karkat weren't such fucking losers and actually did anything it wouldn't be a problem. But their whole relationship is nothing but a toxic go-nowhere dump.
Leo Johnson
They keep trying different things, which keep failing, which result in Hussie retconning things and trying again.
Sebastian Lopez
>there were multiple timelines where he spent happy lives with Jade Firstly I'm talking about in the context of the epilogue but secondly what the fuck are you on about jade and dave have broken up in every timeline they were together in
>She was pretty miserable in Meat That was because of her god tier powers fucking with her head, not because of her relationship which is what I've been talking about for literally all of these characters >Aforementioned woman is his daughter. Oh right, the bizarre human anathema of incest, I forgot. Except that calling her his daughter is pretty flimsy since it's on a purely genetic basis, they're the exact same age and have had no relation with each other even by ecto proxy.
Gavin Brooks
It also shoehorned in an entirely unnecessary sequel hook for a sequel that will never ever come because Hussie is sick of Homestuck.
Samuel Allen
>Oh right, the bizarre human anathema of incest, I forgot.
we know it's you karkat
Michael Nelson
>what the fuck are you on about jade and dave have broken up in every timeline they were together in Not true. When he becomes his ultimate self there's a scene where he sees timelines where he has a happy life with Karkat, a happy life with Jade, a happy life in a threesome, etc. Basically the Dave we see is literally the most pathetic Dave, and thus the only one stupid enough to accept becoming his ultimate self.
Brandon Murphy
Yeah it ended on a completely unnecessary cliffhanger. But I'm thankful that it had the dignity to wrap up a lot of loose ends as well. One step forward one step back
Caleb Moore
>but secondly what the fuck are you on about jade and dave have broken up in every timeline they were together in >>Dave’s eyes widen, his mouth opens as if to scream, but he doesn’t make a sound. Infinite experience flows through his consciousness, an unimpeded torrent of raw potentiality. He sees everything. The roads not taken, the lives not lived, the thoughts, desires, fears all unacted upon. The Doomed Daves, the Davesprites, the Davepetas, life with Jade, life with Karkat, life with both, life with neither.
>That was because of her god tier powers fucking with her head, And because Dirk was fucking with her head, leading her down that path. An evil influencer. >Except that calling her his daughter is pretty flimsy since it's on a purely genetic basis, they're the exact same age and have had no relation with each other even by ecto proxy. None of the other humans think this way and are pretty grossed out by incestual relationships, even if just by ecto proxy. Dave and Roxy are still dumb regardless.
Colton Walker
So do mods only delete homestuck threads when they’re in a bad mood, or what?
Also the key to enjoy homestuck is to have zero expectations of any future content.
John Brown
it's literally one mod with disdain for a certain ship
Carson Price
it's just he was in the timeline where calliope gave jade a penis
David Myers
I like to think Dirk "persuading" them was a metaphor that you literally have to narratively force Davekat to happen
Sorry, I forgot about the singular offhanded line where it was mentioned. I take it all back, there isn't an agenda against heterosexuality in the epilogue.
Leo Miller
Aformentioned woman is ALSO lesbian and already happily married. And Dirk was also blatantly manipulating her and taking advantage of her psychologically weakened state to reach his own goals.
Jacob Adams
Oh I wasn't denying that, just saying that there's a timeline out there where Jade actually gets what she deserves, it's just that we don't see it because Hussie is a hack.
>I take it all back, there isn't an agenda against heterosexuality in the epilogue. Is that what your post was about? Or did you forget that Dirk still fucked with Jake's mind because he's an asshole? And once again, relationships with no communication are doomed to fail regardless of orientation.
Aiden Williams
You know, I like Homestuck, but the writing of the epilogues made me realize something. There's a difference between a character's creator writing the character, and someone who likes a character being paid to write about said character. Dave, for instance. I'm sure everyone recalls the twitter post about that one fanfic writer or whatever being happy they're getting paid to write "real dave strider dialogue," but that's just it. It read like someone who really liked Dave, rather than Hussie writing Dave, not even going into the stereotypically fanfic-y way the entire romance debacle was written. Not even that they want Dave to be happy, just that it felt like someone who probably likes Dave a lot, rather than Hussie. Everything about the epilogues felt this way to me, with the exception of Jake, Jane, and Gamzee. It feels weird to have slightly (more than zero) higher hopes for a game with no proof it even exists.
>we learn John's height >but not Jade's breast size Fucking whack
Julian Martin
That's been my problem with all of HS's recent content lately. That's why I just want Hussie to move on and work on something new. He's tired of Homestuck and can't even write or draw anything for it anymore so why does he still pretend to care
Jack Smith
at least we know once and for all that roxy has "modest cleavage"
i'm guessing jade's above average but not huge because she has jane's genes but not jane's extra pounds
Austin Thompson
and no mention of kanaya's shoe size either
Eli Johnson
>implying Jane's titties aren't all genetics and Jade takes several seconds to fully move when she moves
Robert Gomez
Jade has space powers, weight is not a concern of hers
Grayson Gutierrez
jade is also cursed with jake genes though
Ryan Watson
>Great Rack >Great Ass >A dog dick, now, I guess?
Levi Roberts
So she's muscular and has a great ass too? Man Dave really IS retarded
This thread makes me wish we had an entire board dedicated to Homestuck. Why won't jannies allow it?
Josiah Martin
What, you want /homosuck/? Because that's how you get /homosuck/, user. 'Sides, there's both /aco/ and /y/ threads to go on!
Lincoln Hill
or just a regular general on /trash/ at least
Levi Butler
>hear that piggy said she was responsible for candy 18 & 32 >check what happens >it's the cuck jake (+ canon dog dick jade) page and the gamvris foot indulgence page
jesus christ
William Davis
She's been trying to push that shit for years. Anyone who supports dogdick Jade is officially on piggy's train.
Jaxon Howard
i'd like it too, but it would be the slowest board on the whole site
Nicholas Robinson
Literally nobody would go there, a /hs/ board dedicated to it would be more attractive to people who want to talk about it and would also avoid Homestuck posting on other boards
Chase Bennett
Maybe, but I doubt so. I've seen quite a lot of Homestuck posters on Yea Forums alone. Not to mention here. It's just that we don't have a place where everyone can go at once.
Asher Reyes
Just one thread every once in a while is fine by me. Satisfies the homestuck itch.
Cameron Russell
>hating buff amazonian Jade that can crush a puny strider penis like nothing but still acts like a happy puppy girl half her size
Doesn't really for me though... Homestuck is vast and having threads dedicated to specific aspects of it would be cool. It just kinda sucks that you pretty much have to use reddit if you want to talk about Homestuck without it being a pain.
Carter Jackson
Are there any other ipgd hallmarks in the epilogue besides knot Jade?
Brody Wilson
Shitty writing and humor
Jacob Sanders
shitty humor and writing have been part of homestuck from the beginning
Asher Reyes
I don't know, my brain never glazed over things the way it did in the epilogue. ipgd's humor is just kind of out of style. It comes off as tryhard garbage.
i get what you mean. hussie's sense of humor can be meanspirited but he usually reserves that for the characters he dislikes or has grown to dislike. the epilogues on the other hand were mean about everything and everyone which feels a lot more ipgdesque.
William Martin
It's more that she's trying to be that aloof ironic tumblr sense of humor that actually comes off far more invested and angry at you.
Ryan Long
>he dislikes or has grown to dislike What the fucking shit did Karkat ever do to him?
>Bittersweet There's nothing bittersweet about homestuck, literally the only thing that could redeem this garbage fire franchise is the release of Sburb as an actual fucking video game and Hussie will never have the money to do it.
Nothing, it's just that 2015-16 Hussie stopped caring about everything that wasn't the Striders & Vriska. Karkat's potential was so very wasted that he couldn't be bothered to do the work necessary to salvage his arc.
Jayden Parker
It's supposed to keep in line with Rose's prophetic story about how twelve young, well-meaning wizards are corrupted by sheer knowledge and go insane as a result. Twelve people passed through the gate at the end, and so now are cursed with their insight.
Robert Stewart
good point. she puts too much effort in to sound indifferent.
the family never ends epilogue was more than 40,000 words of blistering anger aimed at the people following the fic for more than a year. at least for hussie punishing the reader is part of his job, piggy wrote a novella for free out of sheer spite.
Thomas Lee
Yeah, that sounds about right. She'll go onto these threads and go "davekat is canon lol davekat is canon lol" over and over as if it's anything else but her being passive-aggressive. I don't get why people ever liked her, because she was ALWAYS like that.
Isaac Wilson
still clinging to watsonian readings over doylist ones huh
Cooper Edwards
I liked the epilogue.
Jack Long
( X ) doubt
Charles Wood
It's in my nature. Out of universe answers are boring as shit, anyone can say "Hussie is a hack ghostwritten all characters are ruined garbageheap etc etc". Rarely do people discuss content. Content is what I care about.
Jason Davis
based
Ayden Davis
>davekat collapses and meat dave ends up with jade, btfoing fujoshits forever
Joshua Reyes
Homestuck should have really ended with Cascade
Samuel Nelson
He didn't dislike it, he wasn't sure how he felt
Nolan Cruz
I'm convinced that Hussie is just doing this to punish the fanbase at this point.
As far as I'm concerned it did, everything after the game trailer got released may as well have been fanfiction.
Jace Davis
Is Hussie an MGTOW?
Luis Powell
But doesn't Jade still have a penile
Luke Allen
youtu.be/lb76XWttOnI Be honest, if you didn't know would you have donated money? Unless you did, in which case sorry you lost your money.
Ayden Nelson
Well the extradiegetic readings are the true ones so
Camden Parker
>as Alt-Calliope dies, Jade's penis recedes back into her puffy vagina
Matthew Anderson
Yes but that's so fucking dull. If I wanted to hear endless responses of "it's shit" and meta-shitposting about authors creators and shift blame I'd browse Yea Forums, or go back and read more epilogue reactions on Tumblr. Internal consistency is rare, precious, and fleeting, and also rarely discussed in comparison. That's one of the things I liked Homestuck for.
Jacob Wright
Homestuck gets a lot of undeserved hate, including from people in the fandom. I actually enjoyed the totality of the comic, including the Epilogues, and Hiveswap/Friendsim. I mean sure nothing's perfect and I personally prefer the classic Homestuck format (panels with occasinally flashes) but the rest is still good. It's expanding the Homestuck cosmology, which in itself is fascinating. The comic gets the backslash from not only the bad reputation of its community but also people in the fandom that can't stand a mechanic or something that was introduced/only care about the characters and their relationships and get mad when shit happens to their characters. Really a waste desu. Homestuck deserves to be way more appreciated than it currently is.
friendly reminder that grandpa harley bottomed for charlie chaplin
Christopher Perry
I was hoping someone would reference that glorious video. Doc Scratch knew when to quit and never look back.
Hunter Young
So did Grandma English though
Kayden Evans
same user
there are a lot of things i dislike about homestuck and the way it turned out but on balance i don't regret reading it
Henry Williams
All I want is for something to hurt Hussie the way Homestuck hurt me.
Kayden Long
the odd gentlemen already did that
David Garcia
I hope Vriska and Terezi meet up again. Vriska may not deserve it, but Terezi does.
Josiah Baker
I was around then and I didn't donate money. Get fucked shitters
Levi Stewart
He's forever stuck as the Homestuck guy and will never be able to move on.
Jace Morgan
I hate shippers
Adrian Flores
I didn't donate because I fucking knew the game's development would derail and damage the comic, but I absolutely could not fathom the scale on which this would occur. Anyone who donated has the comic's blood on their hands.
John Carter
does she really need it, or even want it? she made peace with leaving vriska behind and moving on ahead does she really need to go back to that old situation yet again?
Carter Gonzalez
Yeah, just tell Vriska that she moved on, despite Vriska telling her how much she loves her deep down.
Why are you insecure that Vriska will ruin Johnrezi?
Jackson Brown
I get what piggy was trying to do, it was just insanely OTT. Dave cheating on Jade with Terezi made sense. Dave assaulting Rose didn't. Dave being a shit dad to Roxanne/Annie made sense. Dave piping Feferi knowing full well she's his biological daughter did not.
Yeah, yeah, Alpha Dave is a shit person but eventually it was him being SIGNIFICANTLY worse than Bro was despite having a much easier life than he did.
Justin Harris
im just spitballing situations makes no sense in the context of the epilogue for terezi to seek vriska out other way around sure
James Morris
Yeah, Vriska will seek her out instead after doing fucked up shit and ruining the Candy universe even harder.
John is Terezi's moiral, Vriska can still be her matesprit.
Andrew Mitchell
rails don't pail
Cooper Perry
rails dont pail terezi and john had sex ergo
Cameron Brooks
>list of couples that had sex: >John and Terezi >John and Roxy >Jade and Dave >Jane and Jake, Jane and gamzee >Rose and kanaya >Vriska and Gamzee >Jake and everyone
Elijah Brooks
I think John/Terezi is an "above the quadrants" kind of romance
Adrian Bell
It's fucking reddit crap Ignore it at all costs Fuck you makin
Juan Cox
quick report your classpect [/spoiler]mfw rogue of blood
It sure seems that way, yeah. She doesn't seem to get that Dave's flavour of shittiness involves being distant and apathetic, not pointedly cruel. So being a bad father and an uncaring husband works but being a sex offender who fucks his own daughter is just pointlessly edgelord.
well you arent wrong, john and terezi can be considered moirails too thats what happens when youre in a relationship that communicates and supports each other to balance each other out, like said troll romance by itself seems fairly juvenile
>rose >never miserable She had an alcohol addiction as a fucking 16 year old and in the epilogue it's basically thrown in your face that she turned into a pillhead
Ayden Jones
Thankfully no.
Ryder Mitchell
I wish we saw more game sessions with more different class/aspect dualities. The Mind, Rage and Doom aspects are severely underexploited. Same goes for Mage and, to a lesser extent, Bard.
Sebastian Wilson
Well yeah, but Alpha Dave wouldn't be at all.
Nicholas Nguyen
>dave is a sex offender who fucks is own daughter i didnt get that far in candy or meat, can someone link me to the chapter this happens? i wont believe that shit until i see it for myself
Austin Jackson
Nah, ~~s~~he's just being ~~her~~himself That reminds me, why was Calliope so terrified by Alt-Calliope?
Oh no, this is from the epilogue of the incest epic ipgd wrote, Family Never Ends.
Xavier Reed
That's for IPGD's story, "Family Never Ends"
Connor White
>we're pissed when hussie goes out of his way to drop character arcs and discard relationships without building up new ones shit he got us guys
Xavier Sanders
oh its piggy presents needless edge: the fic. gotcha
Dominic Powell
based thief of time bro
Nathaniel Adams
yeah yeah i know
Blake Murphy
Just like the epilogues
Ayden Brown
Wait a fucking second, was she that writer who wrote that story where Dave is a cunt to everyone who tried to help him with him crawling back to his brother who lives in some god-forsaken corner of the USA at the end of the story?!
Brody Lewis
>but Hussie hired other guys instead Of course he fucking would.
Isaiah Gonzalez
The thing is, before the epilogue the fic was half edgy, half genuinely funny.
Bentley Jenkins
Nah
John Hall
Yep. V=Ctset=ipgd=embarassingfanfiction. The ending of Homestuck was partly written by someone responsible for unleashing Jake/futa!Aranea coprophagia fic onto the world.
Landon Johnson
I don't even care about anything anymore, I'm just in this for the occasional happy family fanart
Jonathan Sullivan
that fanfic was an abomination upon this world, and the fact there're people who enjoy and even praise it as some deep and thought provoking piece shows how far Homestuck has fallen.
Remember, it's okay when a faggot does it.
Jace Fisher
we didn't even get a Damara purification fanfic...
Wait, so "piggy" is the person who wrote Marvus and Lanque in the Friendsims? It all makes sense now.
Justin Wright
I heard Lanque was a horny fuckboy but what was the deal with Marvus?
Christian Brooks
I refuse to aknowledge that as canon.
Logan Ortiz
where was this stated?
Daniel Campbell
Lanque is a trans dude who's also a piece of shit so glad upset tumblr.
Marvus is the diaper/armpit fetish clown.
Noah Taylor
He also has a route where reality starts to come apart
Jason Cooper
>[Roxy] tugs him against her side and rests her head on his shoulder. She’s a bit taller than him in her nice shoes, so it’s kind of awkward. >homestuck.com/epilogues/candy/7
Not Karkat-tier, but still on the short side.
Jordan Gray
>trans dude This isn't stated in his route, how was it confirmed?
Caleb Martin
barely, assuming Roxy is above average height in heels
Landon Scott
Friendsim dev/writer twitter, after some tumblr fuss about "he/him lesbians" and a lot of people getting pissy he wasn't just a very formal butch lesbian. Or did that come after? I've largely blocked it out after enough time.
Why did Hussie bother building up so much great chemistry between Terezi and Dave only to spread his cheeks and defecate on it and have them barely speak to eachother again once they meet up?
Because he read Homestuck and saw, correctly, how garbage bringing her back was?
Thomas Thomas
She was never "removed". Vriska is very resourceful so killing her off so she's dropped into dream bubble space with infinite time to fuck around to find or infodump people on the Macguffin was likely Hussie's plan all along. Homestuck is a far more cohesive and sensible read when you're not waiting for updates and reading it all at once.
Nathan Ortiz
It was called Lasciate Ogne Speranza.
Robert Barnes
Because Dave hadn't sorted himself out and refused to help or intervene when she got herself in trouble with Gamzee, then John's meddling ended up having her refuse to latch onto Karkat or Dave, then Vriska monopolized her time on the meteor. Then afterwards Terezi was concerned with shielding her empty heart.
They were friends and liked each other on a surface level, but not really any more than that.
Luke Williams
I hate that I'm horny for Bro strider. I want him to chop me up and sell my body parts on Craigslist.
Jose Russell
Vriska didn't plan to die. She railroaded herself there by being a vainglorious cocky bitch and failing to see the consequences of her actions, as she always does.
Asher Barnes
Plus she's a size queen, and Dave's got a halfsword.
Liam Miller
>Imagine if it was the story that Homestuck was a trial run for, in the same way that PS was a trial run for Homestuck It is now obvious that he was bluffing when he alluded to such a concept. Well, more like assuming his future would be exponentially brighter than it turned out to be.
Eli Morales
No shit retard, but the plot turned out that way because the plot/hussie demanded it happen that way. There's no "bringing back" a character that was never removed from the plot.
Wyatt Campbell
Fair enough
Jaxon Sullivan
The genetic part is the problem, dipnuts. Just because your peepaw is also your brother and uncle doesn't mean it's normal or healthy for everyone to breed babies have seven toes and two fingers
Carter Parker
or dog ears
Dominic Myers
What the actual fuck has Hussie been doing with his time? Every time a new project comes out with his name on it, it turns out he barely did anything >Hiveswap Act 1 is supposed to be written by Hussie >nope he really mostly just directed it >new SBAHJ book by hussie >the art was mostly done by KC Green (who sucks at it in a wrong way but Hussie likes for some reason) >the dialog/story was mostly by dril, who made a good effort, but as an outside really over-interpreted Hella Jeff into a Bugs Bunny-esque trickster bent on torturing Sweet Bro >Homestuck Epilogue >Hussie wrote about 5/80 or so pages, gave vague outline for rest >Hiveswap Act 2 and beyond has shown no evidence of actually existing Has he really just spent nearly all of his time fucking his girlfriend who's barely half his age?
Blake Parker
Attending kpop concerts
Gabriel Moore
There was actually a Kickstarter update for hiveswap act 2 so that's on the way but otherwise, yeah. He's not doing anything except obsessing over BTS.
Juan Foster
I don't understand why the ending is such a miserable far removed thing from the entire story that's been about friendship and bonds. Ultimately it just shows everyone involved is miserable and deeply pained. There's realism and there's just being cruel needlessly to your story.
Like why are they punishing their protagonists in the post script. I don't understand the point of making everyone in pain, alone,frustrated, or a piece of shit. Like someone explain it to me.
Dominic Cook
>really over-interpreted Hella Jeff into a Bugs Bunny-esque trickster bent on torturing Sweet Bro Like Bro and Dave?
Jeremiah Martin
Because Hussie and his ilk think cynicism and angst and talking about how nothing every works out and everyone is miserable is good.
But it's honestly fucking generic. It's boring. Just because Hussie's a failure doesn't mean everything else has to be. I'm not moved or inspired or feel anything for grimdark shit anymore. Anyone can write it.
Because you can't have more story without more conflict. Asking for more story is like saying you want the characters to exist in turmoil again.
Zachary Campbell
It's DEEP. don't you see? He made a miserable slog of an epilogue on PURPOSE.
yeah, hussie just hates his audience now. that's it.
Luke Campbell
You can have an epilogue and not have it be full of endless suffering, it can just be a look at where everyone is in life as an adult.
Not every epilogue is just 'and then things got worse'
Easton White
We didn't want more story. We wanted things to be wrapped up. That's the entire point of an epilogue.
Christopher Ramirez
Shit, really? Like recently? What kind of half-assed excuse did they give?
I had the opportunity to give to the kickstarter back in the day, but didn't. Back then I regretted not doing so, but nowadays I'm increasingly glad I didn't. No way a pack of Midnight Crew playing cards was worth like $40 or whatever. And by the time they were available individually I'd lost any interest in giving Hussie any money for anything that wasn't Sburb- or SBAHJ-related. Anyone else have a similar story.
That's actually a bit insightful, so there's no way Hussie thought of it. Although it does lean heavily on the emphasis on Bro being Abusive to Dave, so maybe he did actually come up with it. But it still feels to me like a coincidence.
David Hill
But they exited 'canon'. The whole ending was the kids leaving the story. You can't have an epilogue without them being dragged back into 'canon'. Besides, it's just one of many possible outcomes; it's called "dubiously canon" and separate from the Homestuck narrative for a reason. I literally don't see why everyone's throwing such a tantrum.
Adam Bennett
Page is the worst class and Blood is the worst aspect
Funnily enough the people who were all over the epilogue have mostly moved on. It doesn't even have the staying power of actual homestuck where you could get hundreds of pieces of fanart out of a couple of pesterlogs. If anything it's driven people away.
Alexander Gomez
Have you seen the end of Lord of the Rings, where Frodo is too far gone from his experiences in the War of the Ring to enjoy his former leisurely lifestyle in the Shire? That's the sort of thing happening with the heroes. They were given a world that worships them and nothing to strive for, so they cling to whatever they desired most and long for what they lost.
Also, Dirk's Ultimate Self includes all his soul shards across all realities, meaning Doc Scratch, Lord English, Equius, Bro, Gamzee, and Caliborn are all a part of him now. He became a heel to give the story a reason to continue, so that the reactive heroes might still have metaphorical life left to live. In Dirk's eyes, once a story is over all the characters within it die for good, and he wants to live forever.
Chase Russell
Hussie is a lot more insightful and intelligent than shipperfags tell you. I'm re-reading homestuck and nuts deep in act 6 and I'm adoring how everything falls together like a bunch of unrelated fucking garbage somehow looking like a roman statue once it's all finished being tossed on the ground. Shit that seemed irrelevant in the beginning turned out to be extremely important, multiple mobious double-reach-arounds and so on. One thing I don't appreciate however, is how everything seems to be pre-determined and everyone in the story just feels obligated to go through the motions because the universe already decided that's what would happen. It really takes any tension out of things.
Kevin Flores
The meat end has dirk say both that john's death signal's the end of the story AND that he (dirk) will die a just death.
Dirk's double ended the story.
Ryder Myers
Pages are only shit if you're a child who can't grow up. Blood sucks though yeah
Justin Sanders
This. It's also perfect in how it's constructed as if the detective pony book was a massive foreshadowing. It's extremely in character for Dirk to become some manipulative piece of shit once he has all those malevolent parts of him taking control.
In fact, there's so much pointing toward Dirk possibly becoming a villain that I'm surprised now that it didn't happen in the main story.
Because "it's all miserable" doesn't have any staying power. Hussie's pretentious, and the most pretentious part of the whole thing was that thinking he can get away with acting like the fun, trolling author when he's done a lot of actually godawful shit now and lost most of the faith people had in it.
That was Dirk's eventual plan, and both ends say that was the end of John as the protagonist and plot driver, but that doesn't necessarily mean the end of the story. It just means John won't be the viewpoint protagonist anymore. Likely that would be Terezi, who he passed down his Arcana role as "The Fool" to.
Aaron Cooper
I like the idea of Dirk turning heel after struggling with the fact that's got some weird predetermined natural tendencies toward being a manipulative ass and generally kinda evil, but I wish it was done in a way that didn't feel like a crap copout sequel fanfic novelization that's so probably noncanon that the site itself feels the need to call the epilogues "tales of dubious canonicity."
Easton Miller
but that's why it's boring. there was so much pointing towards him becoming a villain that he was the most predictable option. It's fucking boring.
Logan Bell
The fuck do you want? Vriska or fucking Karkat as the main villain? Don't make us laugh.
Thomas Peterson
>Karkat goes so hard on 'death to tyrants' he just decides to go full god-butcher
John Carter
Yeah, predestination really affects the intrigue of what'll happen to characters. Like in Act 5 Act 2, right off the bat we see John at the very end of the Act, so when he dies to go God Tier, the thought isn't "oh shit John is dead,", it's "oh dammit it's another doomed timeline," since they already pulled it in Act 4 (Then it happens again with less impact when Jack ganks him on the Battlefield, to the extent that Doc Scratch even mocks the reader about it). Additionally, the very next page, it happens with future Karkat and Terezi chiming in at the end of the memo, far enough down the timeline that they're certainly going to make it through the act.
I'll admit, this can be explained by the idea that main characters of a story should usually be expected to survive most of the way through, and it's a big subversion to kill them earlier, but still. And Homestuck (and Problem Sleuth, for that matter) always had that aspect of a puzzle, where you have a few pieces in place, and you're pretty sure what the big picture will generally look like, but the fun's in the journey, in the process of putting it together.
But overall, things can be shown as predestined, and even if you don't break causality and follow that fate, you have to be careful about what you show already happening.
Liam Bailey
Threadly reminder that Spades Slick did nothing wrong.
>"tales of dubious canonicity." I think this just was referencing the "Three Pillars of Canon" that the epilogues examine. Candy has no "Truth" and diminishing amounts of "Relevance" and "Essentiality", so stupid, insane shit can happen there as a result, like ghosts sticking around and ten years passing by in the blink of an eye.
Noah Rodriguez
iirc Equius had a passive ability that shielded the Magic Cue Ball from Doc Scratch's omniscience
Karkat's Blood supposedly manifested in him being bros for life with Jack. Aside from that pretty sure Eridan was great at using his powers to fuck everything up.
Jaxon Rodriguez
Also predictable and happened in Act 6
Logan Hall
>Jade has a tail in the epilogues >Doesn't have one and is specifically stated not to have on in the normal comic hmmmstve
Nolan Campbell
>being bros for life with Jack Jack allies with anyone powerful enough, see Caliborn's session
Alexander Richardson
She plugged her nose, shut her mouth, and blew to make her dog cock and tail pop out.
Chase Baker
This and the damn dog dick are the thing I hate the most in the epilogues. There's "developing over years" and then there's "blatantly making up wrong shit"
Jeremiah Cox
I'm glad they're there. They tell you you can fully ignore the epilogue because Hussie didn't care enough.
Hunter Wood
for some reason i always assumed she had a tail in the comic, it was just small enough to be kept hidden under her skirt
Gamzee passively fulfilled his role by fucking things up wherever he went, for whatever that's worth. And that one dead God Tier Feferi from a doomed timeline healed WV, but I'm assuming you're not counting them or any pre- or post-scratch version of the A1 trolls.
Isaiah King
bec was a big fluffy dog. jade would have a big fluffy tail.
Nah, because there IS stuff I like in the epilogue. Just not all of it.
James Hernandez
Shitty last minute ship that ruins the two best characters by stripping them of their best qualities and replacing it with a generic gay softboy fanfic tier story, and has godawful fans who are the worst possible mix of diehard fujo and violent homestuck bitch.
There's an epilogue? I gave up on Homeshit long ago after that forced animation crap along with commercial drug happy montage bullshit that Hussie tried to cram in our throats and said "Yep, we're done." Can't even bother to end the series with another one of his legendary dialogue vomit. No, he just up and gave up and wrapped it up nicely with a bow. Well guess what Hussie, shit is still shit even in a pretty package you fucking bastard I wasted years on your crap and a friend left me for being your fan I fucking hate you
IIRC, Lexxy basically co-designed God Tier Jade, and she wanted to give her a tail, and Hussie didn't want her to have one but gave his blessing to fanartists who wanted to give her one anyway.
Felt like a big pander to that side of the fandom, especially so late in the story with no time to build it up. The three years was already hard on character development, being mostly tell instead of show, and then the retcon compressing it even further just made it feel tacked on. The epilogue tries to build it up a bit, and honestly makes it work better than the main story did, which isn't really much of an accomplishment.
Parker Martin
Because it would be "sexist and homophobic" if Hussie and Viz Media didn't cater to Tumblr I get that they can relate to each other (Dave not wanting to be a hero vs Karkat believing he can't be a leader) and glad they get along, but the nu-fanbase holding the ship hostage is bullshit
It makes it work by sidelining and basically rewriting a bunch of characters with flimsy excuses.
Joshua Thomas
Detective Pony Dirk is so much more fun to read than Meat Dirk.
Brayden Torres
>Dirk and Calliope both basically know nothing about any characters that aren't Roxy, Jane, Jake, or Dave >Hussie hires ghostwriters to write the story which is effectively narrated by these characters It's either the worst coincidence ever or some sort of commentary. Down the line, he'll claim it's the latter. We'll never know.
Sebastian Williams
Hussie is always an after the fact guy.
Easton Cook
Alright, so why would he ally with Karkat?
Dylan Lee
Dave learning to be a hero on his own terms and accepting it as a positive part of him > Hussie's views on toxic masculinity
Logan Myers
>implying Hussie will kill off Davekat Why? It's like Hussie's biggest cashcow and Karkat's eternal damnation worse than Vriska's L8L
It's what happens when you go from jovially fucking around for another's amusement to puppeteering the universe to a "better future" and preventing it from dying via irrelevancy or something meta like that. I figured it was done like that on purpose, that's why everyone's forced into situations they don't like and doing shit they normally wouldn't. John is the only one who noticed or cared because he had that homestuck juju thing and his windy powers are hinted at being more than just wind. Vriska also takes to her descendant about how John seems "terrifyingly powerful" in his own way, and probably could have developed the same narration altering powers as Dirk/Calliope.
Wyatt Cook
>Hussie >Cashcow ?
Jeremiah Moore
>cashcow Lol he can't even pay his musicians. Jade's more of a cashcow from selling cosplay merch of her than that shit.
Amen What Dave needs isn't someone to force him to be a hero, but rather need to find something that'll get him off his ass Something that will make him go "okay thats fucking it!" and engage Hero Mode on his own terms
Almost nobody had any personal stakes in Homestuck, sadly. Everyone was told that everything is pre-determined and the universe(s) would conspire to make shit happen the way they're SUPPOSED to and any attempt to deviate would lead to a doomed timeline.
Yeah, Dirk killing Karkat and/or Jade would definitely spark something It'd be the perfect way for Dirk to rile up Dave and make him want to slice his head off
>implied that without being able to have kids, Dave isn't really able to love Jade That seems pretty sexist.
Matthew Clark
No, Jade just really desires kids because that's part of her classpect as a witch of space but she can't have them because she has a doggy cock instead and no vagina.
Hudson Brown
>feels her worth is tied to her ability to have kids Still seems pretty sexist
Noah Lopez
I think you're sexist for thinking women shouldn't be allowed to have babies fucked into them by a long juicy dick.
William Turner
Such is the fate of Space heroes, who are inherently drawn to fertility and motherhood. It's almost a female-exclusive aspect by how strong the link between the two is.
Carter Hill
It's sexist for Hussie to deprive her of that choice just to have a flimsy excuse to make Davekat seem more legitimate.
With how flagrantly horny Jane and Jake are, and how not-horny John is, does that mean Jade has not only the space-libido, but also the entirety of the crocker-english libido as well?
Parker Peterson
John just suppresses it.
Nathan Phillips
She has all of the slut genes and John has none of them. Poor girl is probably shooting her dog goo everywhere daily.
Brayden Hughes
Now that she's married she is a loyal wife, she only shoots her goo into Dave's cookies.
>Epilogue gets a sequel. >John gets revived and unleashes all of his lust upon Dirk's asshole at once in a 10-page violent sex epic that leaves Dirk a retarded mess in a pool of sperm.
The narrative demands it, and "the narrative" is just another word for Dirk's ass, as he loves getting it fucked.
Anthony Carter
Can someone link the pages that mention Jade’s dog cock? I couldn’t get through the epilogue.
Sebastian Clark
I'm pretty sure I wrote this
Lucas Martin
>John gets revived and unleashes all of his lust upon Rose's asshole at once in a 10-page violent sex epic that leaves Rose a retarded mess in a pool of sperm.
>I'm interested in something but I don't want to read it. I fucking hate you types of people so goddamn much.
Chase Williams
Commissioner Gordon, is that you?
Luis Davis
>Karkat gets thrown into magma after being stabbed by Gamzee >Aranea gets thrown into a fiery pit that is probably magma after getting her neck broken >both of them are never mentioned again
Wow, can't believe Karkat is as evil as fucking Aranea.
page of rage, life is a nightmare and everyone hates me :Y
Alexander Rodriguez
God, I miss 2011
Zachary Richardson
his hips weren't nearly as a big as Aranea though
Christian Moore
Aranea comes back once in the epilogues, before John decks her and takes the Ring of Life from her, killing her again. She's so evil that her death is an afterthought to retrieving the ring.
I got Doom on the official aspect test and I always resented it, but it's hard to argue with, I suppose. At least I'm a Prince.
Grayson Turner
>John is dead >Roxy was ruined >Dave was ruined >Jade is a futa >Dirk is evil >Rose hasn't been a good character since she started fucking Kanaya >Karkat hasn't been a good character since he started fucking Gamzee What's left to even care about?
Terezi Also Dirk is at least interesting in his evil
Daniel Perez
Hell, the official aspect test gives me Rage every time, but I'm not a really angry guy, nor do I care about fakeness or anarchy. It doesn't really fit.
Aaron Gutierrez
Homestuck has never had good porn.
Adam Jenkins
Usually get Mind or Hope on Aspect which makes sense I suppose. Dunno about class. Seer Knight or Heir probably
I fear if I learned to draw I'd just draw nothing but porn
Oliver Sanchez
>guaranteed to get a gf Lucky bastard
Aaron Jackson
that is literally the exact opposite of correct
Nathan Murphy
You're so dumb you make Hiveswap backers look like people who make smart financial decisions.
Ryder Gomez
Write epilogue pumpkin
Easton Collins
What pumpkin?
Jordan Jackson
The third cherub who is the guardian of that region of space and unrelated to our two normal comes in, hijacks the story while pointing out how both the other ones are shoddily written attempts at angsty deep literature, and instead one-by-one forces all eight kids to attend therapy sessions.
Also Dave mating presses Jade so hard it cause a volcano to erupt somewhere.
Austin Rogers
It's too bad Rose sullied the name of the profession. All these kids are too tough or cool to get therapy, though some need it bad.
Sebastian Walker
That's why you need an outside agent to force them into it, and away from the influence of two asshole siblings who won't stop treating them as their game pieces.
I just want Hussie to make things again. I always had this hope that he just needed time to heal, but it seems like he's never going to make something ever again. He'll just "supervise" and waste away, his talents never being used to escape Homestuck as his magnum opus.
>tfw Karkat won't take Davekat so seriously, he demands to be god tier like Dave, yell at Jade for even standing near Dave and trying to dress up like Dave
Isaiah Jackson
>and it was the worst thing to ever happen to it and him. >and him
Pretty sure his father's death is the worst thing to happen to him.
Parker Lewis
Well yeah but his father dying happened in the middle of him trying and failing to turn Homestuck into a brand which made it hit even harder.
God I wish Nepeta was alive. Shit was 300% better when best girl was doing her thing.
Josiah Anderson
Man what the fuck happened with Homestuck. How did it get this bad? Who's fault is this?
Nathaniel Nguyen
Davepetasprite was the best thing to happen to this damn comic, and I didn't wait three years for them to have a proper ending just so you could start complaining.
John Scott
Hey man can I tell you something? Just real quick, real fast, our little secret right? You listening? Fuck you.
Noah Richardson
The only reason you don't like Davepetasprite is because they make you feel insecure about your sexuality.
Lucas Powell
The only reason I don't like Davepetasprite is because Nepeta is the best girl, and deserved better than getting beaten to death offscreen by some gay clown and being forgotten.
Wyatt Baker
That is entirely accurate, and the primary reason as to why Gamzee was a mistake.
However, Davepetasprite is still amazing.
Gavin Torres
I very much agree and don't agree, with what you said there. Man this sucks
Ian Powell
Nepeta killed Lord English
Jaxon Cruz
vapid cunt
Michael Hernandez
Write a paragraph synopsis on your feelings on Davepetasprite and whether they were a return to form after the Nepeta-less apocalypse which took place for the majority of the comic.
Nepeta was like 25% responsible for the death of Lord English. That's something.
Angel Sanders
Davepeta was the most amazing method of ruining multiple characters I've ever seen. Instead of trying to conclude Davesprite's arc of coming to terms with his own identity of not being the Alpha Dave, Huss decided to kill off his character and create a new one that was similar but worse and who had all their problems solved just by existing because they're perfect and great : )
Meanwhile Nepeta is barely a factor in the sprite and didn't even need to come back.
Terezi is nigh-unreadable, but at least it isn't cringy.
Tavros, on the other hand...
Nathan Wood
The solution to overcoming your identity issues is by literally fusing together with another person? And by complete accident? Magically having all your problems solved is absolute shit writing user.
>interesting and dynamic character It's literally just Dave but a bit more hyper.
terezi's is only unreadable if you didn't spend a lot of time on the internet in the aughts, anyone who did could interpret leetspeak far more obnoxious than anything terezi uses effortlessly
Christopher Cook
This will never be a thing. Stop pretending. Get help.
same can be said for most of the quirks imo actually helped me get pretty damn good at reading in my teen years now when i go back to read homestuck its effortless and i love it
I grew up reading MegaTokyo I still read it, how the hell is it still updating so leetspeak is easy to read. The most frustrating to read at times is Karkat's, because his giant grey text blocks tend to blend together.
Owen Bell
>When you're illiterate so you literally cannot understand capital letters
Keep dreaming dude. Johnvris is so dysfunctional that it's not even in the noncanon universe.
>When you're illiterate so you literally cannot understand capital letters I can read it, it's just like reading a dictionary or a textbook, my eyes glaze over.
Oh, FUCK THIS. For fuck's sake, the site is- oh, sorry, WAS called mspaintadventures. what is the FUCKING point of just writing a bullshit novel and not DRAWING anything.
Not necessarily she kept bugging rose to knock her up
Hudson Lewis
You know for all the epilogues faults seeing rose genuinely happy for once in candy and thanking John for letting her enjoy her life got me. Maybe it's because I had just finished meat where she was brainwashed into a sexbot but rose getting a happy ending in one timelineb made me more neutral on the epilogues
Carson Moore
>no drawn panels >flashes Hmm? When is it coming out 1025?
Unironically the first 10 pages would be him just talking to himself
Grayson Ramirez
It would be absolute kino if the story ends with John forcibly retaking narrative control, reducing Dirk to a shrieking wreck as he gets hammered to death by both the ultimate Hammer and the Narrative, rendered impotent by John's and Terezi's absolute control over the Canon.
Colton Hernandez
and it would be the best thing ever, jailbreak is short enough someone should have done the rest for giggles and shits. im sure someone must have done this for problem sleuth.
It's true, but Caliborn is more than capable of standing on his own. Heck, he could be the last Cherub after having genocided his own species, making it so there's no relevant cherubs aside from him.
Look, I read all of Homestuck. I made my peace that the epilogue isn’t for me and if I continued to read it, I would only be subjecting myself to something I couldn’t stand. But I can still be curious how “jade has dog dick” is brought up in a narrative work of fiction.