Hades

Was Hercules really that bad?

In comparison to the others he was a saint.
Worst thing he ever did was kidnap his waifu, and even then some versions of the myth she went willingly because her mom was a overbearing protective mother.

Kingdom hearts hades always lives to fight another day.

FEEL THE HEAT

Hades was based. While Hera was busy being a vindictive bitch murdering the women that Zeus cucked her with, nigga just plain didn't give any fucks. He was mostly chill and apathetic

>imagine having your gods be such giant assholes, whores, cunts and faggots, that proto-Satan is the most likable one.

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>Gods are cunts
>Reunite the God of Rivers with his daughter who was kidnapped and hidden by Zeus just to get a fancy fountain for his crib
>Trick Thanatos and effectively end all conflicts in the known world by having no one die, only for Ares to get mad and put an end to it
>Trick the Gods AGAIN and manage to get out of the underworld to chill on Earth as a ghost
>Is punished for all eternity because he dared humble a punch of uptight Olympian pricks
Sisyphus did nothing wrong

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>Making the woman the big bad?

Come on man, what year do you think this is. I’m surprised people haven’t made Medusa out to be the tragic heroine yet. Her actual story really does make her out to be a victim more than a monster.

a lot of the trouble comes from using 'abduction' to translate a greek word for an old 'rite of passage' tradition that was about the legal transition of a women from her father's household to her husband's
the root of the tradition was having to demonstrate your worthiness as a husband by taking your bride from her father's house without him stopping you, either through cunning or combat (and allegedly that was how the Spartans did it long into the classical period) but for most 'civilized' Greeks and their neighbors it was just a matter of getting the father's blessing, spoken of in archaic terms that no longer applied literally.
That is to say, Hades/Pluto 'abducted' Perspephone with the consent of both her and her father. Her mother was the only one who objected, and they managed to negotiate an arrangement were for half the year Persephone was part of her mother's household, legally and physically. Which ultimately meant that for half of every year Perspehone was free to get a divorce no questions asked if she ever wanted one.
There's some contextual evidence that the whole myth is based on actual prehistoric marriage negotiations between kingdoms that was preserved through oral tradition and adapted into mythology, between a kingdom that got its wealth through mining and a kingdom that got its wealth through agriculture.

>if they changed the real villain to Hera
>a woman a villain in 2019
not going ot happen. If anything Herc is going to be hades's son. with Hera

One of Hercules' labors was taming Cerberus. Herc just went down to the underworld and asked Hades if he could borrow Cerberus for a few hours. And Hades let him!

Because you don't write stories shitting on the god of the underworld unless you have a death wish

"The gloomy Hades enriches himself with our sighs and our tears."

- The Iliad

Not really. Osiris, Ereshkigal, Hel, Yama, Supay and many others are neutral or good.

No, he isn't potrayed as a douchebag in myths but the actual worshippers despised him to no end, so you can infer he's a monster off screen.

There's one I keep seeing about how Aphrodite was acrually helping Medusa by turing into a monster so she will never get raped again. Also they made Perseus out to be a villain because you know why.

I thought that was more they really hated death

Looking at it from another perspective, since Hades was strictly professional and generally dispassionate, you could also say that he was the most inhuman out of all the divine beings...

>god of the underworld? so he's Satan!
And that's where the thought process ends.

I mean people get sad when other people die, is it his fault?

>f I remember Greek mythology correctly, though, Hades seemed to be the best behaved (by comparison) among the gods.

He is. While most of the gods are going around raping people, turning them into bizarre shit, nuking cities and causing natural disasters, the worst thing Hades does is kidnap Persephone and then convince her to become his wife. The rest of the time he's just doing his job.

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because faggots thinks hades is the equivalent to the devil in greek mythology

He'll work himself to death.

He's sort of a dick, taking souls is kind of shitty if you like having a soul.

He's one of the best Disney characters though, that explosive anger and deadpan responses are just perfect.

I believe him and his brothers drew lots to see who ruled where. Zeus, being the prick he is, cheated and won Olympus, Hades and Poseidon were left with the underworld and the sea, respectively.

No it's actually one of my favorite films from the rennasance era.

He’s got a great singing voice.

youtu.be/36YX7o_WxK4

>I’m surprised people haven’t made Medusa out to be the tragic heroine yet.
They have, several times in fact. Fate is one of the biggest anime properties at this point, and it's very first work (Fate/Stay Night visual novel) covers Medusa pretty well. The final movie in the Heaven's Feel trilogy is coming out pretty soon and will likely cover the rest of her backstory, but they go pretty deep into how bad her relationship with her sisters was and how tragic and sad she is.

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He had a shitty job so the other mythical figures looked down on him. Art imitating life.

Hades along with the likes of Hephaestus were really chill compared to the other gods. Hades mostly kept to himself and did his job, only fucking up people who deliberately tried to fuck him over first. He also seems pretty open to negotiations and his deals seems pretty straightforward without trying to dick you over

Yeah but most people don't know that. Osiris is the only household name you posted, and most folks don't know anything about him beyond the bird head.

Any specific references for this sort of shit? I'd be interested in reading tl;dr versions of the sort of deals Hades would negotiate over, what he'd settle for, ect.

Depends on the myth. In others, Zeus claims it and bitchslaps Poseidon for suggesting he not get the sky, because Zeus is plainly the strongest. Hades meanwhile settles for the underworld while realizing that all the wealth of the earth is therefore his. So Poseidon is left to be a raging dickbag in the ocean, which has neither the wealth beneath the earth or the majesty of the heavens.

It's a great film.

It just has absolutely nothing to do with the myth it's very loosely based on ("Hercules" is the Latinization of his Greek name, after all). Both are still good. Greek myth is a load of fun to read. You should if you haven't already.

[spoilers]Spoilers: half of the godly issues and points of conflict in Greek myth arise when Zeus decides to fuck something with a hole. He decides to do that A LOT.

Technically Hades is a stickler for rules. As long as you don't break them, he will bend them for you.

Hephaestus does have those whole rape attempts though, and the cuckoldry. Like when he catches Ares and Aphrodite (although in other myths he's married to Charis, and Ares is married to Aphrodite) in his bed he calls all the other gods to witness it, and they instead laugh and all agree that they'd happily swap places with Ares to fuck Aphrodite. Which led to Hephaestus going off and attempting to rape Athena. Then accidentally raping/impregnating Gaia as a result.

IT LOOKS LIKE VEGAS!

Zeus stops sticking his dick in things after he sires Heracles though. Dick stays in pants after that.

It's why the sea is often portrayed to be spiteful and capricious in many myths, because its living embodiment was STILL salty about losing out on being the Sky Father.

Yeah but dolphin pussy. So who is the real winner?

>tfw God of Fire and Smithing
>tfw the Chad God of War is cucking you again

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>salty
That was deliberate, wasn't it.

Zeus for having the best children. Poseidon is monstrous, all his children are monstrous. He got the worst part of the deal.

I thought Poseidon was angry because he was the oldest male, but was overshadowed by Zeus who both became king and got first pick of a realm to rule.

Hades is the oldest kid

Hades was the eldest (although technically because Zeus was never eaten and the rest were re-born from Cronos' mouth when he vomited them up, Zeus is both oldest and youngest). Poseidon is textbook raging middle child syndrome.

Hi, Auron.

that story where a man goes to the underworld for his wife but Hades tells him not to look back or else she's his forever, dumbass looks back near the entrance/exit and loses it all

>Whitewashes Aphrodite to make her love Hephaestus
>Poseidon’s son rapes Ares daughter and Ares kills him but Poseidon is portrayed as cool

Is that you, Unshaved Mouse?

Because James Woods is a conservashit drumpf supporter.

That would be the story of orpheus. The guy´s wife died from a poisenous bite, he travelled to the underworld to rescue her and made beautiful songs to show his sorrow, so Hades sayd yes. All he had to do was to go back to the land of the living, knowing that his wife would follow him, but could not leave if he glimpsed at her... which he did, without even being tricked into it. So wife stayed dead, but even then orpheus got to live for a while more.

The last labour of Hercules was also mentioned, where Hercules was tasked with getting Cerberus and Hades says it´s fine so long as he doesn´t harm him with weapons, (even though one of the reasons for his labours is because he hit Hades with an arrow), and lets Hercules leave unharmed when he uses his lion skin outfit to subdue Cerberus.

When it came to Asclepius, he was fine when the the healer brought back people from the dead often - he only demanded for Zeus to punish him when he started charging pricely sums for it, because he was making a mockery of death.

It´s arguable if he was responsible for Sisiphous´s punishment (carrying a boulder over and over again), since in one version it was basically so he had nothing to do with it. In the other sisyphus trapped Hades himself, so Hades killed off one of his followers who would be willing to die for him for every day he was not set free. Sisyphus only relented when it was his wife on the chopping block, and thus he was punished. This version almost makes the punishment reasonable.

The only guy that REALLY pissed him off was Peirithous, who together with his friend Theseus walked right in his home to kidnap his wife. So when the pair sat down on a rock/chair to rest, it grabbed them. Theseus was rescued by Hercules and allowed to leave, but Peirithous was forced to stay there for all eternity.

>Thebes designed to look like NYC
>Called "The Big Olive"

Why do people keep thinking it's Vegas? It's not!

Not the original. Her being fucked over unfairly is a Roman invention, Ovid's specifically.

See: youtu.be/V2_XThp3dxM

It kinda depends on how you view it. For us looking at the myths objectively he seems nice since he doesn't do as many bad (from our view) things. But the greeks certainly were afraid of as he was ruler of the Underworld, and gaining his attention would be to prematurely invite death. There's also another reason why he doesn't do all that petty revenge stuff; everyone dies. So no matter what you'll eventually stand before him, and if you pissed him off your ass is toast for eternity.

Western christian society finds the concept of the underworld to be something evil and dark, because they relate it to hell.
As far as I know the underworld in greek mythology is impartial and not feared, as opposed to the modern fear of death

meant for

The ugly bastard impregnated Zeus mom?!

Yeah, the greeks' conception of the underworld has Hades in charge of heaven, hell and purgatory (to make the direct comparison to christianity), so out of all the gods they REALLY want him to be fair and impartial. But they did fear him, so much they started to call him pluton to avoid speaking his name...