Why did his show bomb? I've heard different opinions in this matter

I’m not sure, but the guy in the pic enrages me.

I really enjoyed the first season, but was entirely put off by how far apart season 1 was to season 2. It was like 2 years and I eventually lost interest.

I guess it's more of a visual humor kind of series? The problem is that it's the same joke every time "haha bad thing happen, but what could bad thing this time be!?!?!?". Ultimately I stayed for the 2 supporting characters that time travel. They were much better developed than the 3 main characters.
You have unlucky kid with bad things happening all the time, perfect girl who plans around all the unlucky things, and token black guy who is new to town and questions everything that happens.
OR you have chill glasses dude who is too chill to pay attention and persnickety top hat gentleman bickering about time travel shenanigans.
One thing is just ENTIRELY more interesting.

Also the show piggybacked on P&F WAAAAAAY too hard. They had to use the same exact artstyle on top of forcing multiple recurring characters into the show to gain traction. And that INCLUDES Weird Al being the voice of the MC. Way too much "You like X and Y right? Then that means you're going to watch Z!"

Disney wanted more P&F, Dan and Swampy refused, so the network ordered Milo, so they would not leave, then Disney forced them to put Doof on the show, they did not renew the show so the crew could make the P&F movie for Disney+.

I have no evidence and no doubts.

>You literally can't get ratings if you never air the show

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We Bare Bears don't really have a "fandom" as much as Asians buying merch like crazy
That's what saves that show

>cue the grimdark fan comic about how he's aware of all the damage he causes but blocks it out just to keep from from going insane

Didn't it's "finally" get more views than star vs's

Didn't it like get better ratings than star vs's finally or something.

yep

- MML: 456,000/0.11K
- Star Vs: 334,000/0.09K

These two weren't the stars.

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Probably didn't appeal enough to the people who buy episodes off Itunes and shit.

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I think it's obvious that Disney always wanted more P&F when they finally announced Disney+ and the P&F Movie as a launch title, or whatever you call it.

Scheduling fuckery, and the show was so bored with itself, it quickly shifted focus from Milo to pistachio guys, and they to Doofenschmitz.
Pretty much the only good thing to come out of this whole mess was Melissa

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It fell victim of its own curse.

Melissa is overrated.

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What are you talking about? She is a sex incarnate!

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It never fucking aired consistently.

>We Bare Bears is a comedic episodic kind of show and it has a large fandom
No it fucking doesnt. Its mainly being kept alive due to the international market which isn't unique either since plenty of western shows with next to no fanfare domestically wind up staying alive due to its sucess in other countries (Ben 10 for example stopped making money after the first series and the reason why it didn't end with Omniverse was because it was a billion dollar franchise in India). NOBODY gives a shit about WBB except furries and asians.

Did that include streaming?

I know this sounds crazy, but I would feel angry when I see MML. It's just that much of its potential has been thrown away in a dumpster and have it burned to the ground.

They even put Phineas and Ferb in DTVA's promo pic instead of Milo Murphy's Law

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How recent is this? Because Gravity Falls also ended a while back, and Darkwing doesn't even air anymore.

Unless they're rebooting that and nobody told me.

Only gooks like We Bare Bears

They're rebooting it.

We didn't tell you.

this exists?

June 7

Son of a bitch!

Well, then, that settles it. Disney wanted P&F to be their Spongebob, right down to never letting it end.

Not enough Veronica, but in all seriousness it did fine initially then it got hit with a two year hiatus and lost what little momentum it had.

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They're screwing with you.
Sorta.

DW has no announced reboot but the new Ducktales highly imply the possibility of one.

ara ara

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More reason to stay away from PnF. Before you know it, the franchise will rot.

Murphy's Law: Everything that could go wrong did go wrong. It was doomed from the start.

>Phineas and Ferb
>Everything that can go right, will go right
>becomes the longest running and most successful Disney cartoon

I know a lot of people lost interest during the hiatus but didn't they have an MML marathon before the crossover's US premiere? How did people not notice the ads?

To be frank, a lot of people lost interest in PnF as the show goes on.

Because the marathon was on Disney XD.

Was he overhyped?

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The art is awful.

How is it compared to PnF? Is it worse?

Nah, it fulfilled its function, but it is rare that later everything related to the Doctor Zone would be limited to Sara.

the art style in MML is more realistic, the humans have normal shaped heads and regular proportions. it’s not bad, it’s just not as visually interesting as PnF and feels sorta soulless sometimes

And random merch.

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Did they ever do anything with that teacher that everyone thought was a vampire, or was it just a joke that never wet anywhere?

Completely dropped the joke in S2.

Only to be replaced by the Recurring Racoon.

Mr. Drako barely appears in S2.

Darn, he had a lot of potential.

At least there's Elliot.

Dr. Zone is literally trash

That's disappointing. they could have done something like he's actually a werewolf and all the vampire stuff is to throw off hunters.

I know it's supposed to imply a more serious tone but the colors look dull, especially in the Pistachion timeline.

This.

Then season 3 can be about vampires and werewolves.

They have also made jokes about how robots will dominate the world. That or vampires.

Melissa also talked about how she wants to rule the universe.

She will be the new villain.
Well, we already know who will not outlive the third season.

It was Disney's highest rated cartoon until the scheduling shenanigans and channel shift happened; Gravity Falls only passed it after the latter kicked in.

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It's a bleak world.

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That did come up often enough that it would be weird not to do something with it. It would probably be something like they get sent to a timeline where Melissa a tyrant or something, or would that be too similar to that thing PnF did with actually evil Doofenshmirtz.

Why are they obsessed with joking about world/universe domination?

Let's be real, they made a lot of jokes that would've been interesting plot ideas like Drako's vampiric activities, inter-dimensional travel, and Melissa as a tyrant.

Jokes disguised as foreshadowing, I suppose. They are things that could be develop in the future and if not, they stay in that, a joke.

Yeah, not my cup of tea. But thanks for letting me know that they don't put plot in everything not out of incompetence.

Yes, it will not be to everyone's taste.
For example, in another show, Adventure Time, in an early episode of season 2, it is mentioned that one of the Ice King penguins is one of the most evil beings in Ooo, obviously this is a joke, but many seasons later, it is revealed that in reality he is an evil being.

>That was only season 2
The number of good seasons that show had is vastly lower than I remember.

That's the opposite of MML then. Adventure Time would put foreshadowing in every joke, while in MML they don't.

"Foreshadowing disguised as jokes."

I like those, but it MML they don't make every joke a foreshadow. That seems to be intentional, which is OK but not my cup of tea.

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They’re rebooting it, expect announcement at D23

Milo is kind of a boring uninteresting protagonist. He seems more like a gag character that only appears in the background for single jokes. not someone that needs to be fleshed out in any way.

And he looks like a stereotypical geek in the design

I can see him as a recurring character Phineas and Ferb meets to help with his problems if PnF gets a reboot.

He seems more like the weird kid in class that the main characters would make a joke about on occasion. They say something about how unlucky he is, he gets hurt then cut back to the main characters again.

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Show would've worked a lot better if it was about the pistachio dads desu.
Have Milo be the B plot that constantly messes with their missions, also time travelling means they get more possible plots for new episodes too? I'm still dissapointed the show ended up throwing so much potential away

And Sara in Season 2 is limited by her interest in Dr. Zone.

It was shit. Everyone was just so blase about everything that nothing felt like it mattered because one of his shit friends would just be all "uggh, typical." Weird Al didn't sing any song and those two recurring side characters selling nuts or whatever the fuck weren't funny.

Dr Who sucks
Dr Who fans suck
Dr Who references to pander to these fans suck

It was basically just Phineas and Ferb, which had already gone past its expiration date, except with mostly background/crowd shot tier characters.

>That's how something as poorly-rated as Star Vs got 4 seasons
I'm willing to bet that despite its equally terrible ratings in the later seasons, Star Vs had more merchandising revenue. The magic-filled concept naturally lends itself to apparel and stationary.

One of the first things that struck me about Milo Murphy was that all of its characters could have passed for background characters from Phineas and Ferb. The design is completely white bread and nondescript, and is at the top of a long list of obvious-in-hindsight miscalculations.

>Milo was just a boring and bland character compared to Phineas and Ferb
Phineas and Ferb were one-dimensional as fuck.

Phineas and Ferb were defined by their creativity and ambition, not by the depth of their personality. All of the real heavy lifting in that department was by Candace, Isabella, Doofenschmirtz, et al.

Milo had nothing, and his friends were just as flat.

>Weird Al didn't sing any song
He sang "Rooting for the Enemy" and "Love Toboggan".

Isn't Milo defined by his optimism?

It should.

It might also have something to do with streaming and online purchases as well.

4. Disney fucked with it's airing so much that one 11 minute episode got banned in the entire EMEA region for featuring a massive presence of crossdressing even when many other cartoons have got away with cross-dressing in Europe (SpongeBob SquarePants, Braceface, Tak and the Power of Juju, Ed, Edd n' Eddy, The Mighty B!, Back at the Barnyard, Catscratch, House of Mouse, The Fairly OddParents, SheZow, etc.) and several European countries don't give a shit about crossdressing or homosexuality (The Netherlands, Sweden, etc.) and have legalized homosexuality (France, Germany, Spain, etc.)

and I allegedly heard of that episode getting removed from KimCartoon

Yea but its not very well done. I mean there is no foil to his optimism, he just is.

I mean they tried to a little with the crossing guard but that faded out.

That sucks. It should've been with Bradley. Wasn't he going to be the "lucky one" but is pessimistic?

This. He was basically a blander Phineas when they could have done something more interesting with how his luck affects him emotionally.

>Milo could've been afraid of himself and avoid people because he doesn't want to hurt them.
>Which explains why his only friend was Melissa.

Just imagine.

you know Disney has done fucked when they actually export Andi Mack, a show featuring gays, perfectly fine in EMEA, yet they ban one episode of this show in the entire EMEA for featuring crossdressing after years of getting away with it in other shows.

What if it's banned because it's thought to be transphobic?

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pretty sure that was why
They banned the Cow and Chicken episode "Buffalo Gals" outside of North and South America

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>Milo was just a boring and bland character compared to Phineas and Ferb
This is somewhat of an achievement considering how Phineas and Ferb were bland characters to begin with.
That's the problem with Disney shows though. All their leads are Mickey Mouse type good boys devoid of any personality. Even Phineas had to be Mickey Moused after the pilot.

This show didn't had Doofenschmirtz. He fucking carried Phineas and Ferb.

WBB panders to Tumblr

So cliché Mickey Mouse-esque character and cliché perfect girl, who also happens to be the cliché unphased person who reacts very similarly to the token character.

A recipe for a bland disaster.

>>This show didn't had Doofenschmirtz.

Unfortunately, it HAD Doof in S2 and is one of big problems.

mary sue

Didn't the ratings go down before Doof's involvement in MML?

Actually, most of the ratings of the second season are higher than those of the first. This is due to the change of channel, two episodes of the first season premiered on Disney Channel and had good numbers (for today's standards).

Yeah, I meant the Season 1's episode plummeted before Season 2, when Doof's more involved. But thanks for the explanation.

Yea but the show eclipsed them after about 4 episodes and focus was moved over to Candace havng to deal with them and then the Perry and Doofenshmirtz parts.

The P&F build something was mostly ignored background stuff while Candace tries to bust them or deal with their shit while trying to hang out with Jeremy or Stacy.

It was banned not because it was showing off a guy in drag, but because it came off as very transphobic and made a lot of remarks about it throughout the episode

Just make him a background character, not the main point of view character. His friends having to deal with an unlucky guy that causes disasters just by being around and they are the ones that have the backpacks full of stuff to prepare for it all and try to survive makes more of a story.

It was boring and the gimmick got annoying by episode two.

Dan always says that the show is more about Candace than Phineas and Ferb.

You can definitely see at the start they wanted things to be about phineas and ferb. They had all the focus, and different personalities. But the whole kids do something huge and amazing gets boring after a while. There is no conflict because they are not even making the attempt to hide their antics from their parents.

Based America for broadcasting the episode without giving a fuck.

>Be me
>waited till the mid-season finale for the plot to develop but it turned out mediocre.
>Then waited for another half-season to see if there's a better hidden plot
>Was starting to notice how boring the episodes are but waited for a surprise.
>The "surprise" in the Season 1 finale and Season 2 premiere was underwhelming
>Decided to leave the show after many considerations including how the show runs and the plot is boring.

they understood who was the real star.

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What if Elliot were the main character?

The theories surrounding him and Melissa didn't help.

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It was just one person who believed that those two were related.

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>the zone universe
What a peculiar name.

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Maybe, but is that fun to watch? It wasn't for me.

It's over? When did that happen?

May 18

A month ago.

Where is the source? Sites like Wikipedia and IMDB says it's still on

Just because it hasn't been renewed yet doesn,t mean its necessarily cancelled, it could get renewed later this year.

But they gotta work on The Phineas and Ferb Movie, which will be done by 2020.

And after that they may get a reboot. Just look at

The show ended its production and there has been no news of a renewal. It is in limbo.

twitter.com/DanPovenmire/status/1136367276830027777

>Sites like Wikipedia and IMDB says it's still on
I don't have the link handy, but there is an animation union blog that speculates on which productions are ending based on animators/storyboarders being let go. It is usually right, and it also predicted the ending of Phineas and Ferb, to the dismay of Dan and Swampy who angrily denied it on Twitter. But guess what, the blog was right.

>Just because it hasn't been renewed yet doesn,t mean its necessarily cancelled
This almost never happens because of how difficult it is to reassemble a creative team.

>And after that they may get a reboot
I welcome more movies, but I hope they don't reboot the show. In all honesty, the closing season of PnF was overwritten, tired, and not nearly as fun. Across the 2nd Dimension was great, and I'd rather they save their creative juices for tight 2-hour movies rather than trying to limp across 13 episodes and spreading their material thin.

Not to mention that there's no substantial interest in the show. And before you talk about ratings, they don't matter that much anymore if they don't include streaming and episode purchases since they really help with the show's profit.

You mean Season 4? What about Season 3?

Anyway, just for you to know, a lot of the people involved with MML were from the PnF team when it's Season 3 and 4 (e.g. Joshua Pruett). I wonder if that says anything about the quality of the show.

>a lot of the people involved with MML were from the PnF team when it's Season 3 and 4 (e.g. Joshua Pruett)
I didn't know that. PnF seasons 1 and 2 were definitely my favorite, 3 was lukewarm but still had some great episodes, and 4 was a bore but I soldiered on because I love the characters.

I'm a big dialogue and pacing/rhythm person. I can't stand dialogue that has poor economy, and breathlessly rapid fire delivery with no respite for reaction and acting between characters. That's what season 4 became. It's as if the writers never read back what they wrote, and it's as painful was watching a middle school oral essay.

Personally, I think Joshua shone more in Milo than in PnF. Although he was involved in two major episodes of season 4: Night of the Living Pharmacists and Tales from the Resistance.

Martin Olson (S1)
Scott Peterson (S2)
Kyle Menke (S3)
Jim Bernstein (S3)
Dani Vetere (S4)
Joshua Pruett (S4)

I think his basic ideas are nice and wild (Pistachio monsters ruling the world? Cool! Doofenshmirtz multiplying uncontrollably? Also cool!), but I feel like his attempt at making a multi-episode story has failed for me. I don't like how he would put dialogue and non sequiturs that have nothing to do with the arc. He even made a negative continuity episode for a series that follow an arc and that's a big no-no for me.

What was different about pilot Phineas?

My critic would also apply to Scott Peterson as the Story Editor

The "pitch" Phineas was more satastic and he was aware of Isabella's crush with him and that bothered him.

>He even made a negative continuity episode for a series that follow an arc and that's a big no-no for me.
What episode?

Game Night

Not that poster, but pilot Phineas was definitely an asshole, and he was great. There is a taunting quality to his nonchalant dismissal of Candace. It was a laid-back arrogance that separated him from Ferb's stoicism.

He was cheeky (forging documents with crayons), was aware of Isabels crush, was aware of Candice trying to bust them, but didn't paid any heeds to either of them.

Was mostly a smartass towards Candace threatening to bust him.

How much would the show have changed if Phineas retained that characterization?

The show wouldn't be as fun since Phineas' creative and positive mind was one of the aspects of the show.

The relationship he would have had with Isabella would be more interesting, less dull.

Viewer would probably sympathize a lot more with Candace than Phineas if he was a smug asshole on top of always getting away with things. He might have evolved into another villain type character after a while of it.

What would Phineas think of Pitch-Phineas?

Well, you get Thaddeus and Thor.

It wasn't banned in Latin America or Australia from what I know
Jesus that's quite a touchy topic for kids shows (transphobia). The crew made fun of a crossdressing guy?

Phineas would have been the kind of asshole we secretly aspire to be. It okay to have antiheroes or arrogant heroes.

But I don't completely disagree with the flanderization. The show would have been funnier, but it wouldn't have the same longevity. At some point, we'd want Candace to win. Even once would spell the end of the show.

Yea if he was a dick then we'd end up rooting for Candace more. And that would feel off.

She's so hot bros, why does she have to have a penis?

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How do you know that?

Pretty obvious she's trans you bigot

Obvious in what way?

>retards sperging ITT about melissa being a mary sue
okay, but how? like give me examples of why she is one.

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There is something about her eyes ate drawn that makes her appalling. It looks like her face is 10% melted.

Meanwhile Candace is 2 years older than her

Well, they're halfway off her face.

And less curvier

She don't need any of that.

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Murphy ranks up there with MLAATR and Teen Titans. It's just not loud or sexy about it, and was canned before it could challenge Adventure Time.

They attempted to make him more sarcastic (like in Worked Day) and suave (like in the Substitute), but it really feels as if Milo's personality depends on the writers' whims.

too unrelatable (as in personalities, not the things that happen), forced p&b shit, references were fine until they outright plastered them into your mouth, desu they should've just made a series about the agents and the time traveling duo

>too unrelatable (as in personalities, not the things that happen)
This so much. Milo's too optimistic and has no character flaw.

>We Bare Bears is a comedic episodic kind of show and it has a large fandom

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Yeah, I was mistaken. I was supposed to say "large audience", my bad.

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Once again secondary characters were better than main.
I watch it for Dacota.

>Dacota

milomurphyslaw.fandom.com/wiki/Vinnie_Dakota

Dacota wouldve been a nice name for him since he's from the future.

And said person is making what's in

because she has a personality.