>For one thing, all the shows suffered from an acute case of Netflix bloat. With the exception of the one-off crossover series, The Defenders, and the second season of the widely derided Iron Fist, every season was 13 episodes, with each episode clocking in at about an hour. There was simply no good reason for these stories to run 13-odd hours each.
>If the shows struggled with format, so too did they suffer over formula. Quite simply, they rarely did anything audacious or iconoclastic. Sure, there were little exceptions, like the daring explorations of rape and trauma in the first season of Jessica Jones, the occasional interrogation of police violence and black respectability politics in Luke Cage (it’s still amazing that a Marvel property had liberal use of the N-word in it), and the criticism of the War on Terror in the first season of The Punisher. But even in those cases, the general emphasis was more often on boilerplate superhero-fiction tropes like the need for friendship, the question of whether killing is ever okay, and the insistence that one should never give up in the face of even the most impossible odds.
>Netflix has become one of the primary destinations for serialized original content in the known universe. Disney has seen its Marvel brand become a license to print money. But the ever-wily Disney suits realized they had enough cachet to pull off their own entrant into the streaming game, the soon-to-launch Disney+. Marvel’s Netflix shows had proven that streaming super-people could work as a concept, but why should the House of Mouse tolerate sharing the gains of their IP with a rival streamer? Marvel Netflix was consigned to being the abandoned child from a marriage that fell apart. Future generations may find the very phrase “Marvel Netflix” to be an oxymoron, after the streaming wars really heat up.
>Netflix’s "Luke Cage" is centered on a black hero and a virtually all-black cast. But while "Black Panther" confronted racism head-on, "Luke Cage" mostly spends its second season avoiding the issue. As a result, the season feels deliberately aimless.
>The series, in short, decides to put aside concerns about law enforcement in order to focus for 13 episodes on that conservative shibboleth, black-on-black crime. Crime in most cities has been dropping for decades, but you couldn't tell that from "Luke Cage's" Harlem, which is a throwback not so much to the violence of the 1990s as to the prohibition-era 1920s. Ethnic gangs — Korean, Jamaican, Italian — bring military arsenals to turf battles, while Cage and the cops try desperately to reimpose order. Black people in Luke Cage suffer because of (hyperbolic, anachronistic) crime, not because of racism.
>Instead, the occasional expression of antiracism is presented as a diversion, or even as a dangerous temptation to anger. Cage’s most explicit denunciation of racism and prejudice comes in a discussion with his girlfriend, Claire (Rosario Dawson). Recounting the prejudice he faces as a black man leads Cage to an outburst of anger that in turn threatens their relationship. Antiracism in this case isn't a source of inspiration; instead, it undermines Cage’s character.
>It's in line with the second season of Netflix’s "Jessica Jones," in which a discussion of racial discrimination was sidelined in favor of a lament about the prejudice experienced by (white) people with superpowers. It's also in line with Netflix's "Iron Fist," which cast the remarkably underwhelming Finn Jones as billionaire Danny Rand, a white guy who became the greatest master of a mysterious Asian martial art, because white guys are always the best.
Joshua Torres
I agree with the sentiment that the Netflix had many flaws but fuck this guy for thinking a white guy can't became the greatest master of Asian martial arts. Maybe whites are just that good.
Jackson Roberts
It always gets me how these champions in the war against racism never see any problem with saying that only asian people are allowed to do traditional martial arts.
Dylan Baker
It's because Danny has baggage due to taking its cues from the old white savior trope.
Ryan Kelly
>By Noah Berlatsky every time
Levi Evans
Sjws are so hateful people.
Brody Lee
Daily reminder that Yea Forums wanted an asian Iron Fist
Jacob Reyes
>fuck this guy for thinking a white guy can't became the greatest master of Asian martial arts. We all know he is wrong, who cares.
except Danny literally leaves Kun-Lun and spends the majority of his time in NYC palling around with Luke, Misty and Colleen.
Oliver Miller
The one on the left literally shit his pants when he fought against a martial artist 30 years his senior. The one on the right is just a shitty actor people love to meme. Never mind the fact that both we massive assholes in real life.
Zachary Miller
1) There was no reason the seasons should be 13 hour long. 6 episodes should have been the right number. 2) The shrinking budget was noticeable. 3) Shows were being rushed like Iron Fist. 4) The cohesiveness of the narrative was wasted. Who was that guy Stick approached? We have no idea now. Why did the Hand go from this ninja organization to just an evil business? Why did they make such a huge deal of Luke Cage going back to prison and have him just leave it in 30 seconds in the Defenders? It was just melodramatic bullshit with weak payoff over and over again!
Colton Powell
They wasted a good villian on a shitty actor
Gabriel Gomez
>6 episodes should have been the right number. just like last season of GoT
Jordan Sanchez
the shows and people working on it (outside of Daredevil) seemed utterly ashamed of the source material
>“I was so against it,I revisit the feeling I had, that first initial look at the character, trying to figure out the research and the character, who this is guy this, and I’m like, ‘I don’t want any part of this.’ I couldn’t think of anything that I didn’t want to do more. I didn’t want to do anything physical, a role where it relied on power and all the stuff like that. And also, I didn’t know how the character would be written, I didn’t know what this character was going to be like. It just seemed limiting. I just thought, ‘What could I do with this?’ I hadn’t seen any material yet. The idea of the character made me cringe.”
>“Everybody has an idea of how the character is going to be, and I’m like, this is how I’m going to do it and this is it, take it or leave it. I’m not saying that’s what I said, but I felt like if they were to try and push me in a certain way, that I would’ve walked away from it. There was only one way that I thought this character should be portrayed that I wasn’t going to compromise on.”
The shows are no different than the Fox X-Men movies.
>If a mad man stalking Jones sounds a little too much like season one, don’t worry, the similarities are mostly cosmetic. Unlike David Tennant’s Kilgrave, Sallinger turns this into a fight against “Social Justice Warrior Women” who are using their superpowers to harass helpless men, a new and different take on how women cannot win in the public eye.
based foolkiller
Chase Russell
Yeah and then Luke Cage dabbed
Cameron Williams
The Marvel Netflix shows were flawed. But I enjoyed all of them. Those shows were the main reasons why I bought Netflix gift cards (I don't have a "real" sub).
Landon Perez
>>whiny unthreatening spoiled asshole Sounds like David Tennant alright.
Nathaniel Nguyen
Based Yea Forums, Danny should have been asian, everyone knows it.
Good Omens worked in 6 episodes. Having Jessica Jones capture and lose Kilgrave 3 times was flat out tedious.
Alexander Adams
GOod Omens is trash, Alias is a masterpiece.
Owen Flores
Daredevil is the only show worth watching Change my mind
Jose Gutierrez
Someone bring me a car door, quick.
Liam James
His only escape that relied on his intelligence was his first one and even then, Jessica and Patsy told Nuke to fuck off when he offered his Special Forces teammate to be a driver because of course a TV show diva is a better driver than an experienced veteran. All the other escapes relied on other characters being idiots than Kilgrave's intelligence. God, that show is so frustrating to even think about.
Lincoln Bennett
>Alias is a masterpiece
nothing by Bendis is a masterpiece
Oliver Reed
>The one on the right is just a shitty actor people love to meme lol 1968, he avenged his defeat to Delgado and by doing so won the Professional Middleweight Karate champion title, which he held for six consecutive years In 1969, he won Karate's triple crown for the most tournament wins of the year, and the Fighter of the Year award by Black Belt magazine.
Meh All 3 seasons of Daredevil were good to great and made me read the dd comic books. JJ 1 was good. JJ2 had decent character drama. IF2 introduced Typhoid Mary and was decent.
I don't wanna make it console wars but Marvel Netflix was very well paced compared to DC CW.
Mason Gonzalez
Cont And Seagal was the first foreigner to operate an aikido dojo in Japan. What will be next? shit on Van Damme that was part of the Belgium Karate Team .....
Gavin Reed
>black people in luke cage don't suffer from racism >white people experiencing prejudice because of super powers is useless, white people should do more to understand how racism affects minorities what the fuck am I reading?
Ethan Moore
Weimar era garbage.
Luke Evans
That’s worse than cw stuff
Ayden Gomez
This is the problem with the shows and mcu movies they seemed afraid to embrace comics. They go halfway at best
I don't think the MCU is afraid to embrace comics, they are just aware that there is a LOT of stuff in comics that's either totally irrelevant to the story they are trying to tell, or is just so weird and based on decades of self-reference that there isn't time to catch general audiences up on it and make it make sense.
Having Ultron be the creation of Hank Pym before Hank was even introduced as a character was never going to work, so they went a different direction and no one aside from comic book nerds cared.
Thanos being in love with the personification of death was never going to fly. Audiences wouldn't buy it. Instead they changed his motivation to achieve the same ends, and wrote a villain that's become a household name in the same was Darth Vader was for Star Wars.
The MCU is far from perfect, but overall their changes have been for the better, or at least for the more successful.
Jackson Diaz
>but overall their changes have been for the better hang yourself, you retarded casual scum.
Jason Garcia
Ike being a little bitch, Feige dabbing on him
Alexander Flores
> It all began centuries ago with the creation of the collective unconscious.
shield is shit as well. Feige's marvel studio shows will be the only good ones made because thdy have budget.
Thomas Roberts
There is a reason, user, why the MCU has succeeded where comic book movies traditionally failed for years. Get your head out of the sand and face facts. You can't argue with success.
Angel Lewis
They should’ve followed the “villain of the episode” format the DC shows used.
Gavin Martin
this is bait
Blake Wood
>The cohesiveness of the narrative was wasted. Who was that guy Stick approached? We have no idea now. Why did the Hand go from this ninja organization to just an evil business? Why did they make such a huge deal of Luke Cage going back to prison and have him just leave it in 30 seconds in the Defenders?
It still baffles my mind that they wanted to do a street universe and big crossover, yet DIDN'T HAVE THE WRITERS OF EACH SHOW TALK TO EACH OTHER
Nathan Wood
Unless they're recurring, most of those will almost certainly be forgotten. You'll wonder why they were even there.
I speak for many other shows that use this format btw.
David Miller
Yeah, how DARE they not 1:1 adapt Civil War in a universe where there are maybe twenty heroes.
Retard.
Angel Gonzalez
it's because marvel tv =/= marvel studios simple as that
feige is the god, and ike is the bitch. we got a rushed danny because he wanted to rush inhumans. and everything suffered. loeb isn't a big problem as Yea Forums makes him out to be, he is ike's yes man, so the blame will always rest with ike
it sucks because cox is a perfect daredevil as is LEMMEASKUSUMTHIN is a great frank and they would effortlessly slip into the MCU. they've done movies and are better actors than the other 3
Ryan Myers
Only if they tie into the big bad of the season in some way.
Like, for Daredevil S1 - you could easily picture Fisk hiring a couple of 'professionals' to take on the vigilante running around.
Noah Bailey
How's JJ S3?
Daniel Foster
Just as boring as the rest of the series.
Justin Cook
Feige wimped out on adapting one of Iron Man’s best stories because it was too dark, it took them until Dr. Strange to not be afraid of embracing magic, and Thor Ragnarok was basically a mockery of Thor comics.
Poor one note villains with nonsensical motivations ruined the mcu for me. Over reliance on jokes and pop culture references instead of characterization. Notice how every character talks like Spider-Man quipping back and forth?
Marvel comics have nuanced villains and that was mcu biggest failing. Jokes and hero team ups became more important than having good stories or villains. Disney found out they could still please audiences and make money without these elements so they did.
Financial Success doesn’t equate to a good product. After all nickelback is a successful band and mc donalds is a successful restaurant despite both being crap.
Jaxon Wood
This, they are ashamed of the best parts of marvel. Good villains, plots (apart from dumb events) and morally gray superheroes.
Making every flick a light hearted action comedy was a slap in the face.
Congratulations, you've found show crappier than Jessica Jones.
Ryan Miller
t.faggot
Wyatt Anderson
Financial success doesn't mean it's a bad product, see how that circular logic works? And using food analogies as your argument makes you look like a complete retard.
Leo Peterson
CWshitters sure are retarded.
Tyler Lewis
Why is she such a qt :3
David White
>Feige wimped out on adapting one of Iron Man’s best stories because it was too dark
No, that was due to a presidential veto by Obama.
Jaxson King
Carol pls
Those were the golden days of Yea Forums
John Gray
Finn "Unemployed" Jones will never get a main cast gig in the industry ever again.
kek, what a bitch
Jayden Powell
That's the thing though. Danny isn't even the undisputed master. Shang Chi is. Danny just has magic fists, but Shang Chi outclasses him in every fighting style.
James White
Who cares? It's dead and it was shit. Long live Disney Plus.
Jayden Flores
No he doesn't, he wasn't Kun-Lun's saviour, he was a guy who rejected immortality for REVENGE. Then fought ninjas and terrorists.
shang chi, a normal humans, puts danny in his place every time they have fought. face it, asians are the masters at martial arts
Lucas Miller
Nice ad hominem but food and music industry are both businesses that create disposable consumable product that are designed to make a profit and further the brand. Let’s not pretend a comic book movie created by mega Corporation Disney is somehow different or high art immune to analysis or criticism.
Landon Perry
>asians are the masters at martial arts stereotyping is racism
Lucas Johnson
im fine with that. im native american and i can be pretty damn racist against white people at times
James Hall
Eh the show line up seems terrible. Let’s give side characters a tv story years after they have been introduced and wasted in movies, too late should have released this stuff before end game
Noah Williams
Wasn't bloat that killed them. It was them all trying to be gritty barely visible grounded takes on RIDICULOUSLY ungrounded characters. Daredevil may fight street crime but he's as acrobatic as Spider-man. Instead you get shitty Batman. Iron Fist can't fight & doesn't even have a costume. Luke Cage is just nigger man & Jessica Jones only exists to get blacked.
Stop trying to make superheroes serious by removing all the fantastical.
Alexander Torres
What are your thoughts on Native American legend getting anally deflowered by African American kangs?
Iron fist, inhumans, agent of shield comes to mind as being worse before supergirl
Ryder Myers
t. Marjorie "I only fuck white guys" Liu I can't take anything an Oriental with a Christian first name says seriously any more, and neither should you.
Logan Nguyen
dudes like 1/16th native. hes the literal definition of a mutt. but also, hes not from my tribe, so i dont give a shit either way
Dominic Walker
>108228664 I want I NEED Uberfraulein to use my untermensch face as a toilet.
Juan Peterson
So do I ;_;
Mason Hughes
This is my one problem with marvel they seem embarrassed of the source material so everyone is a jokester who makes fun of the movie or show they are in
Mason Anderson
This except for Purple Man, I thought he was cool.
Carter Rodriguez
>Thanos being in love with the personification of death was never going to fly That's the DCeaftist attitude if I ever heard one.
I still have no fucking idea how anyone could hire Scott Buck after he made Dexter a laughingstock for everyone. Like, it's not just angry Yea Forums anons who hated the show. Even people on IMDB were making fun of the show at the time.
Justin Lee
I thought he was pretty shit, but okay.
Levi Collins
Oh look vulture stole an entire article from yesterday's thread.
Lazy bitch.
Oliver Brooks
I am amazed Punisher S2 was so good, it didn't even feel like 13 episodes. After the sleepy pace of S1, I did not expect much good from that crew. IF YOU ARE A BOSS OF CRIME, LUKE, THEN YOU ARE A CRIME BOSS!
Blake Wilson
>I am amazed Punisher S2 was so good Is this bait? Because it was shittier than S1.
Robert Harris
Yeah bizarre choice
James Collins
The run time criticism rings true. Most of these shows could have been told in about 8 episodes
Dominic Myers
that show is literally on netflix
William Anderson
The only explanation I can come up with is that they wanted the shows to suck on purpose (and even that doesn't add up since Inhumans were Ike's darlings). Like, I can't imagine any intelligent exec who would see how near-universally reviled season 8 of Dexter was and think "yep, this is the guy we want to run a brand new show in our highly successful franchise".
What? S1 had an alright pilot and the final few eps where he actually goes punishing, but like 9 out of 13 episodes were boring, two guys sitting in the base talking, useless Madani and co plot, Punisher going to Micro's family for dinner, Micro drunk and shows Punisher his ass. It was dull, there was only one not-so-good secret CIA bullshit story (oh, and some "white veteran guy is dangerous" filler). S2 had action in every episode, Punisher getting into fights with each and every criminal (instead of hunting one CIA man), better villains than the one CIA man. At worst, the girl was annoying, but at least I never felt like I completely wasted my time watching the episode, which constantly happened with S1.
Christian Bennett
Iron Fist S1 could've been a good enough show if it didn't feature Iron Fist.
David Green
Yeah, Infinity War and Winter Soldier were such big laff riots.
Robert Ortiz
Trish was annoying as hell, but she also did nothing wrong.
Ayden Wilson
Well, yes. They tried to be dramatic but only managed to be hilariously cringy.
Oliver Robinson
I never considered how much better The Punisher would have been if they never stopped to ask"is killing wrong". Fuck.
Honestly replacing Danny with “any Asian” would be far more racist than leaving him alone. Just like casting the ancient one as a white woman was far less racist than casting any Asian actor
Carter Nelson
Everyone I’ve ever met is still angry at dexster
Jaxson Gomez
2/22 movies isn’t a good argument. Both of those movies each have a dozen plus cringed jokes regardless
Nathaniel Brooks
Lol, spotted the Snyderfag.
Isaiah Moore
Should have been a hapa probably
Gabriel Martinez
Didn’t like Snyder movies only dc movies recently any good are aquaman wonder Woman Shazam.
MOs, suicide squad, bvs, jl all blew dick
Christian Nguyen
That's not surprising. Final season was mind-numbingly boring trash with an extremely unsatisfying ending. Oh, and fuck them for wasting a cool antagonist played by Ray Stevenson in s7. Still mad about that too
Austin Scott
lol this dumbass thinks the reason they failed was bc they focused on the comics too much and didnt touch enough on audacious and iconoclastic public issues.
these people are so stupid its incredible
Kevin Watson
Where did "our shows must have serious social issues" even come from? Jessica Jones? I know people say Daredevil focused on gentrification but it felt so organic that it was almost unnoticeable. Other shows wear their social issues with the subtlety of an A-bomb.
Jackson Morris
They were planning to follow the comics since Ant Man was due to premiere earlier. Edgar Wright delays caused the changes
Jordan Adams
Is that picture real? Jesus, that face is creepy.
Kevin Taylor
They said it in the second sentence. It was too damn long. Every season of every show they produced felt like they were padding for time. Stranger Things felt much better paced, and they had fewer episodes and each episode ran for as long as it needed to, some for 40 minutes, others for over an hour. If they did 8 episodes, or possibly less, the episodes could've been jam-packed with action and twists and turns instead of slowly drip-fed to the audience.
Brody Martin
we had vastly different experiences. I felt like every episode after 5 was wasting my time with just re-hashing "Oh is it ok for frank to frank people? I don't know, i'm conflicted on frank." and then frank just franking people anyway as he realizes it's who he is. Repeat every episode from 5-13
Ryan Nelson
Fuck off, most people here just wanted them to introduce Shang-Chi not make Danny Asian
Jeremiah Wilson
What the hell are you talking about? ALL Daredevil villains were GOAT (Yes, even Nobu) as were Kilgrave, Cottonmouth, Mariah and Shades. There were many great ones as well
Carson Rivera
>Kilgrave >great I will never understand why people think this. He was awful just like the show he was in.
Zachary Torres
Making Iron Fist asian is more racist than making him white... So i believe you.
Thomas Johnson
When you just need content and you need it cheap, call Scott 'Save-a' Buck. He'll get it done
Luke Murphy
>Noah Berlatsky Is there some law of the universe that Jews can't stop bitching about issues that don't concern them?
Nathan Perry
"Judo" Gene LeBell is no joke, son. Conquered the Japanese judo scene in a pink gi.
Josiah Evans
Dexter always sucked, the last season just made it suck more.
Nathan Sanders
>But while "Black Panther" confronted racism head-on, "Luke Cage" mostly spends its second season avoiding the issue. I've seen a lot of racism adressed in Luke Cage S2. But it wasn't white on black racism, so I guess that to the eyes of the idiot who wrote that, it doesnt' exist.
Dylan Perry
You named all those shitty Luke Cage villains and left out Bushmaster, who was arguably the only good one.
Hudson Myers
I was hoping Iron Fist would have crazy Kung-Fu action like Man with the Iron Fists 1, but it wound up being a plodding mess like Man with the Iron Fists 2.
Christian Butler
Not him but >Bushmaster >villain
Grayson Lewis
Are any of these shows worth watching or at least throwing on for background noise while I play some games
Samuel Diaz
Only Daredevil and maybe Luke Cage (haven't watched that) The rest are shite.
Adam Smith
Why is he the only quotable villain? As in >him vex me Is a legit cool line. Other villains don't have that. They have at best lines that could be mocked and parodied like Fisk.
Sebastian Watson
He wasn't even full villain status and he outdid everything Moriah and cottonmouth did. >"Vengeance is the Lord's!" >"Then he can have it back when I'm finished with it"
Ayden Green
>There was simply no good reason for these stories to run 13-odd hours each. Yes there was. There was no good reason Iron Fist S2 was only 10 episodes.
Connor Gray
Oh yeah then he goes back to kun-poon, spearheads a revolt against yellow hood guy, puts yellow hood guys daughter in charge, and eventually causes a prison break releasing thousands of literal demons and political prisoners plus the OG Iron Fist. All of whom despise the inhabitants of KuPo for their imprisonment, the same citizens who were largely ignorant of these politically motivated incarcerations; Then fucks off back to being an earth billionare after absolutely wrecking the stability of a foreign country. Yep, Danny and Fat Cobra are GOAT.
Nolan Perez
That's what we were all hoping for user. Atleast we got s1 DD's Iron Fist mask plus the ninja baddies. Just larp that NetFlist didn't happen.
Nathan Ramirez
Daredevil season 3 was a masterpiece
Caleb Russell
>so Yea Forums what went wrong with marflix?
Everything
Bad cast, Iron Fist was a joke Daredevil, the actor does not know how to fight then they make up an excuse that Stick has not trained him completely Special effects do not exist Heroes or actors refuse to use comics suits Bad stories, the easiest would be to adapt comics arcs It is a succession of bad decisions
Hunter Brooks
One of the best things about daredevil comics was to read his thoughts and how he used his sharp-witted skills. on Netflix it only acts and at no time do we have the notion of how it uses the powers
Charles Richardson
LUke Cage was the series that broke me. Great music, some fun villians, but so FUCKING dull.
I can do bad (I finished watching Iron Fist because it was kind of amazingly bad), but I can't do dull. Dull makes me question what I'm doing with my life.
Joseph Peterson
Turned the show off when I saw that
Hudson Green
I feel you user. S2 should've been like 8 episodes max. The story just didnt gel as good as S1
Luke Parker
Based
Joseph Butler
Lol, spotted the retard.
Charles Smith
You have bad, bad taste.
Jason Howard
>But while "Black Panther" confronted racism head-on ...did it?
Nicholas Moore
That second point is seriously retarded. Most people remember the hallway fight scene from Daredevil over any of its examples of AUDACIOUS or ICONOCLASTIC actions.
Jeremiah Thompson
>shang chi, a normal humans, puts danny in his place every time they have fought
give an example of this
Jackson Stewart
the greatest villain was shitty writers who cared more about pushing a social agenda than good story
Dominic Cox
MCU movies are different from these shows. These shows are literal trash. If they were made by Fox, everyone would hate them.
Carter Martinez
still more native than Pocahantos Warren
Blake Harris
>I still have no fucking idea how anyone could hire Scott Buck after he made Dexter a laughingstock for everyone.
he was hired to rush out and pump out scripts because they needed to meet the production deadline for Defenders
Kevin Clark
the problem every live action Punisher runs into is they try to make him the fucking good guy and someone to look up to when he should be a scary fucking bad guy who just happens to only go after other bad guys
Cameron Gomez
>retarded reviewer wants more political horseshit in cape stories The Marvel Netflix series did so poorly because besides Daredevil, none of them wanted to own up to being superhero media. Less political bullshit, more cool ideas from the comics. This is why CW is kicking Netflix's ass, and I fucking hate the CW shows.
Charles Hall
you know Netflix could have had something daring and challenging if they actually properly adapted the Punisher from the ennis run, a killer whos completely fixated on his mission, a story told trough the anatagonists and have frank act to points where people would have questioned the morality behind Frank and his mental health but no instead they did generic Jason Bourne esque shit Marvflix deserved to die
>Daredevil Cast and story were good all around. Nothing was wrong with the series except maybe Paige becoming Ben. Daredevil was really wonderful and you could tell all of them enjoyed the world and source material. >Luke Cage I thought S1 was really good until they offed Cottonmouth and brought in Diamondback. Show really fell off at that point. Became a chore to even watch. Started S2, but after the dab in the first episode, I was like "nah" and stopped. >Punisher S1 was good. It made sense and had an overall right tone for Frank. Sure, they played with the origin, but overall, as I said, it was good. S2 misses the point of Frank completely and at no point did it feel like I was watching anything related to The Punisher. >Iron Fist Man. The Meachums were more interesting than the titular hero. A show that should be centered around Kung-Fu action sure was missing Kung-Fu action (also, that obvious stunt double). Never bothered with S2 because of how bad S1 was. >Jessica Jones Idk. Didn't watch. Hate her in the comics. >The Defenders A few cool set pieces, but overall, carried by Daredevil and mostly forgettable.
Liam Rivera
They tried to do something like that with Jigsaw in Season 2 with him having those nightmares of Frank's vest, but meanwhile Frank's busy fucking around with that blonde hipster chick and Jigsaw's face is barely even that fucked up (actor probably didn't want to put on the serious make-up) so the whole idea fell through.
Benjamin Baker
Pilgrim having nothing to do with Jigsaw throughout the whole season kind of seemed jarring as well. What was the point of having one or the other if they're in the same season, but don't know the other exists?
We get presented with Pilgrim's backstory, but why? None of the main characters find out more about him other than he's trying to kill them, and he's got kids by the last episode.
I'd take Pilgrim over S2 Jigsaw by the way.
Adrian Smith
>With the success of the Shang-Chi movie people will use this as a further excuse to shit on Danny's name, and celebrate that the Asian is the best fighter. When Iron Fist fans have been saying this all along.
Jaxson Anderson
Ennis please.
Logan Watson
Honestly if they wanted to have 13 episodes, it really shouldn’t have been with a single plot. Maybe break it down into multiple stories that end up having a connection or that build to the finale. But 1 13 hour plot just becomes boring
Matthew Ward
>The Meachums were more interesting than the titular hero. The best fight scenes belong to Colleen too :^)
Jonathan Rodriguez
Or make sure your 13 hours of content isn't boring.
Alexander Price
it fucking hurts. Danny and Shang have been friends since the old Master of Kung Fu run and now people are just using this an excuse to shit on Iron Fist.
I hate Loeb, Buck and Netflix.
Dominic Howard
> I showed up to a superhero television show wanting to wallow in black urbanite suffering and all I got was some shitty action crime story starring a guy in a yellow T-shirt.
The tastemakers of our generation.
Zachary Ortiz
The writing was really off for Luke, Danny and Punisher (outside of DDS2).
Luke is supposed to be a brash, street-smart guy. They turned him into a boring, corny, preachy stiff.
Danny is supposed to be a laidback, zen, fish-out-of-water character. They turned him into a whiny, incompetent retard.
Frank is supposed to be a killing machine, not someone bogged down by muh PTSD and excusing pedos.
Kayden Long
Stoah-ks, Mariah stoahks
Aiden Perry
> just re-hashing "Oh is it ok for frank to frank people? I don't know, i'm conflicted on frank." and then frank just franking people anyway as he realizes it's who he is. That's every Punisher story, though.
Ryder Murphy
>I'm too lazy to perform a 2-second Google search >so I'll just assume you're wrong unless you spoonfeed me
Noah Williams
no you faggot retard. Im a big Marvel and Iron Fist guy, and have never seen an example of what you're talking about.
You sound like a casual who saw a panel out of context and just bullshitting.
Andrew Nelson
>no good reason for these stories to run 13-odd hours each.
And no good reason not to. I never understand people who rail against the number of episodes 26-13-10-6 rather than the story told in the number of episodes. There's ways to tell good stories at any episode count.
Some stories might be short by nature - and better for a movie or a 2-6 hour miniseries. Some stories might have more structured breaks. But superheroes? You have 50+ years of history to mine, and endless variations of teamups and villains. There is no good reason to not be able to fill any episode count with superhero stuff.
Maybe the writers are just terrible?
Camden Scott
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