Why didn't Hank pursue anything after high school...

This is the man who bought five cars at sticker price.

I guess I never noticed. I know what you're talking about though. Hank was comfortable with being the assistant manager at Strickland.

It's especially annoying when early in the series (i think episode three) there's a flashback scene where kid hank says he wants to work in propane. I hate flashbacks. Always retconning established stuff

They OWN A HOUSE! That's solidly middle class.

It's late to say but I'm bothered how much of loser Hank seems to be. He can't even become a manager after 20 years of working at Strickland.

All I hope for is that Buck leaves Strickland Propane to him in his will when he finally dies of a heart attack. And then you have to hope Mega-lo mart doesn't find success selling propane again or it'll be for nothing.

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why wouldnt he pay sticker price its what the car is worth

Land in Texas is cheap as fuck.

Can confirm.

I don't think Hank ever planned on going to college, but I also don't think he actually intended to sell jeans forever.

He was young and all; it's possible he just viewed working there as a temporary thing until some better opportunity was open to him, and then Strickland came along and presented that better opportunity, and selling propane ended up becoming his passion. I don't doubt Hank did a good job as a jeans salesman because giving a fuck about his job is his character, but I also don't think he would've been quite as weird and obsessive about it as he is with propane.

Also if we want to take as essential to the King of the Hill Lore, maybe for whatever reason Hank ALWAYS wanted to sell propane but just somehow never had the opportunity until meeting Buck personally.

Even that seemed to be a retcon on Hank's intelligence. In the end of the episode where his old truck was destroyed, he told Bobby to pretend not to like the new truck, implying he knew he could get a better deal than sticker price. Hank's a salesman himself so he should know how this stuff goes.

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Car salesmen mark their products up to swindle impulse buyers/people not savvy enough to haggle.

Found the Californian

$6k an acre rural east texas. $500 - 2k an acre bumfuck rural west texas. 3 bedroom house in dallas ghetto $90k120k, plus $10k plus annual property taxes. is that cheap nationwide, excluding the california wildcard?

He was promoted to manager for about 3 seconds before he he told Buck he loved him.

Why did KotH have such bad continuity? When did he sell tractors if he went straight from jeans to propane and propane accessories?

Actually middle-class is traditionally defined as owning property. Owning your own house wasn't the standard until relatively recently.

maybe he did it in highschool

>When did he sell tractors
Huh? He did? I only remember Ted Wassanasong guessing that and he was wrong.

>select all images with tractors

"To be fair you USED to sell tractors."
"Yeah, but Ted didn't know that."

So if Buck never came along Hank whould be another Al Bundy.

Even socially he has no ambition. His friends are his high school buddies, and he just kind of gives up any attempt to expand his life. Not that the status quo (or voice actor) would've let someone like Hal stay in his life at all.

The twist: they're propane powered tractors, making them a very expensive propane accessory.

Ohhh right.

yeah basically if you dont own your own house plus land and not living in a clusterfuck big city then that isnt good and seen as poor

They have a house with a yard and garage. That's more than half of america

Back then college was an optional thing if you wanted a sustainable livelihood for the family unit.

>When I grow up, I want to sell propane and propane accessories, if my grades are good enough!

we all remember childhood memories differently as adults

I think it's less about ambition and more about him being more or less satisfied with where he is in life. Not like every person needs to be the center of the social circle (hell if I recall there were a few episodes where Hank was trying to escape it) in order to say they're made.

>I hate flashbacks. Always retconning established stuff
They didn't need flashbacks to retcon things
The later seasons blatantly disregarded the first four.

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You think hank studies any Japanese to talk to his brother

I've heard the theory floated that Hank was also high functioning autistic. It's not canonically verified of course, the show was written before anyone knew what that was, but he does seems a match for most of the typical hallmarks.
>black and white morality,
>obsessive niche interests
>monotone speaking style
>reluctance to make changes
>love for rituals and routines
>extreme discomfort when made the center of attention

Oh and as points out, he never particularly wanted be a manager. Having to manage other people can be hell on Earth for autists. Their happiness is working quietly on their own.

his dream was to be a football star
after losing that he didn't really know what to do

>The later seasons blatantly disregarded the first four.
they also disregard the character arcs many people went through
Cotton dies hating Peggy, his son and the Japanese (They don't even remember GH)
Luanne not only marries a hick but also goes back to cutting hair
John Redcorn forgets he's friends with Dale now and tries to fuck Nancy the moment she offers due to some hair BS, they also add in that he wants to be a musician for some reason

the only characters who didn't revert were Kahn and Bill

If college is for a sustainable livelihood, and it's optional; what the fuck is the alternative to a sustainable livelihood? An unstable livelihood where your kids might starve?

You don't need a college degree to pursue a career in sales.

I don't think you read that post correctly

The show plays everything straight so I don't blame you for not realizing this, but Hank is a cartoon character, and so his traits are slightly exaggerated. He's a straight-laced, conservative Texan. Outside of a few traits that were focused on mostly in later seasons, he's pretty normal, just a little exaggerated.

>only characters who didn't revert were Kahn and Bill
bro are you serious
One of the last three episodes is all about Kahn and Hank becoming best friends forever because he stops taking his antidepressants and builds a robo-grill.

That's hell on Earth for anyone. Other people are terrible at everything

At most I could see Hank calling him once or twice a year. It feels like it would be too much of a change from his usual lifestyle to be a regular thing.

I may be an autist, but I just see it separate timelines that have there own lore and not every episode is to be considered cannon with each other. I think me and my ex got in pinned down to 4 separate earths to separate them into.

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>best friends forever
i think that's extrapolating too much from them not hating each other at the end of the last episode aired

My headcanon for reconciling these two is the one on the right is Peggy's birth mother, and the one on the left is the one that took her in when she ran away from home and came to Texas.

I could be wrong, but the way I remember it is Khan and Hank finding mutual grounds to have an overall positive relationship for the future, like how Bobby learning to cook steak does the same for him and Hank in the same season.

Hank doesn't even know what happened to GH
Hank loves his family but has never really been one to really care about his extended family
I mean Luanne was more of a pest to him

GH was gonna be fine. Didi got remarried to a wealthy professional wrestler. Probably would've ended up less fucked up than Hank since now he wouldn't have Cotton raising him.

Remember when Luanne had a promising mechanic-genius aspect to her and was kind of smart despite being white-trashy in certain ways? Yeah, she just became a full on bimbo later on.

I think it was mostly because they wanted a one-off Tom Petty cameo to become the norm, so that's why Lucky was in the series at all.

Honestly, it could've broken alot of stereotypes and done some better character studies, but stuck to it's serialized sitcom status quo.

Like how Bill kind of got better and had a girlfriend but then suddenly didn't. Or maybe there was some progress made with Dale.. but yeah.. it sucks.

Even settled with a kind of crappy, Bobby is some meat-genius and grilling prodigy that suddenly made Hank and Bobby finally bond. Even though Bobby showed alot of cooking promise in the past but it was kind of shunned.

I always thought he told Bobby that because he was going to begrudgingly buy the truck since he didn't exactly have a lot of options at the time and it was proven to be reliable.

Honestly I think Bobby got hit harder than Luanne.
He used to be a ladies man and kind of popular because of how funny he was. He used to be a C student because he didn't do his homework. He was shaping up to be kind of like Cotton without all the stuff that makes Cotton unpleasant to deal with.
In the later seasons he was this complete loser that got ditched by all his friends and became a genuine baby retard instead of just being an underachiever.

IDK about becoming Cotton - Cotton was a shitty person with serious anger and emotional issues and probably PTSD. He was kind of funny for the lulz, but it was an underlying darkness about his character that wasn't really fun or inspirational.

Bobby was - despite his parents, pretty outgoing and capable in certain areas, he had a good sense of self-esteem and actual talent but it usually got stifled by his rigid upbringing.

Yeah he became dumber as the seasons went on (especially Joseph) - the hopelessly going from tween romance to tween romance was pretty lame too.It'd be cooler to see him slowly change his parent's opinions on things.

They seem decently middle class, but they live in a cheap area and have a double income.

I always thought it was weird that Hank never even went to the local community college. To learn some kind of trade at least, like electrician or plumber.

Reminds me of some banter he had with Khuan, where Khaun is rubbing in his job and Hank talks about being an assistant is already a high position. Khaun just leaves saying "okay. I'll let you think about that one."

But again, Hank doesn't need that much too be happy said

Those are some of the best real estate prices in the entire country.

>shows longest running joke is about how one of the MCs is getting cucked
And you're surprised this show has shit writing?

Hanks is the kind of guy who probably did trade certificate programs in his spare time. Heck he did it in a episode to get a mold testing certificate.

With Cotton being the head of the house, I can't imagine "If at first you don't succeed try, try again" being the family mantra.

living in a nice apartment in an expensive city is not seen as poor, what are you talking about.
if you're poor you're seen as poor, home ownership doesn't automatically make you seem rich just as not owning one doesn't automatically make you seem poor.

A lot of the criticisms and extrapolations of the characters here come from the last few seasons, where the writers were running out of ideas. Stuff like Peggys mom being retconned shouldnt really be harshly examined as part of the overall KOTH lore

pic related was supposed to be the series finale

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>John Redcorn: I'm the one that deserves the ass kicking, I slept with his best friends wife, for 13 years.
>Dale: Yeah Bill's wife was a tramp, who cares

How did that damn twig boy get invited to Luannes wedding

or the Chicagoan

Dale knew. He must have. He just didn't care.

I honestly really hated Bill and how pathetic he was. Like, he didn't even try most of the time.

Time to post this again.

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Bill was always a bit of a manchild. I remember in the firefighter episode, during his flashback, he had a really baby like appearance. He strikes me as the kind of person who thought that there was a path in life that if he followed, he'd have a happy life.

However, that path led him nowhere and it destroyed him.

In the firefighter episode, Bill mentally saw himself as fatter and balder than he actually was in real life. I always liked that little detail.

user you cant just drop something like that and blueball us.
Is there a good timeline? Which ones does the ending take place in? The people(me) want to know!

I recognize everyone but the guy with a beard.

lmao, the part about lenin and the housing crisis really sells it

In a season 2 episode Bobby was mad at his parents because they thought he needed a babysitter. In season 8 he was begging them to give him a babysitter and he called them home in a panic after he'd crawled into their bed because he was scared by a monster movie on TV.

>Even settled with a kind of crappy, Bobby is some meat-genius and grilling prodigy that suddenly made Hank and Bobby finally bond.
That always bothered me. Sure, it's believable for Bobby to have that skill. But it seems like something that should have came up way earlier instead of the series finale.

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I feel like Bobby's cooking had come up multiple times. Remember the Thanksgiving episode where Hank liked Bobby's cooking more than hers, so she threw Bobby's turkey in the trash?

Man I hate that scene. They cameo pretty much every single side character but it's wasted on Luanne's wedding.

There's a couple lines of dialogue here and there that reveal he had an abusive childhood where his dad locked him in a chicken hutch and made him wear dresses. He was a ticking time bomb and no one recognized it when he was the hunky high school football star.

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I think he was a character in the husky modeling episode. Maybe Bobby's agent or something; I don't really remember but I'm pretty sure the guy in the image is him.

I just bought a 3 bedroom for 350, so that sounds good and cheap to me.

Ticking time bomb implies he's gonna go insane and go on a killing spree. He just descended into a dark place and didn't do anything about it.

kinda surprised seeing as Hank is pretty handy. He could have picked up a trade really.

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He did steal a tank that one time.

Speaking of which, lets say he was caught by the army. How fucked would Bill be?

did hank get paid more than the other employees?? he seemed to basically be the manager. Hank had too much respect for Buck to really start his own business even though he would have easily stolen all of buck's costumers

Bill's entire life was based on how other people perceived him.
He was cool when everyone thought he was cool
but when someone thought he was a loser he became a loser
he only could get his final touchdown because really believed in him

It was the mid 00s iirc so just a demotion and lot of CQ. You don't understand how desperate for bodies we were at the time.

>Hank wasn't a very driven person.
I'd say he wasn't ambitious; he was very passionate and motivated about propane and propane accessories.

>Part of the reason he idolizes Buck so much is he gave him a purpose for the first time since he had to quit playing.
That and his daddy issues.

I thought this was in the late 90s? Would that make a difference?

The entire show is about people who are complacent and content; they're not meant to grow, they're meant to exist and perpetuate the cycle for the next generation.

That's the depressing reality of life; your dreams just fall to the wayside as your needs take over. They're fortunate that they were able to find happiness and meaning in their mundane little existences.

This

Minh even said it. Sad that someone with so much discipline has absolutely no ambition

At first, Bill was disgusted by the thought that had quickly flitted through his meager brain. He easily pushed it out to make way for the barren loneliness, self-loathing, obsession with Lenore, and general emptiness that were his mind's usual stock and trade. Nevertheless, the thought returned, rarely at first, but soon with increasing frequency. It was hard for him to remember time anymore, beyond whether it was morning, noon, or night. Now what he knew was a sick and disgusting thought crawled through and overpowered his feeble psyche for all three.
Quietly, remembering his basic training for the Army, Bill stalked through the Hills' lawn and slid their back patio door open. He lifted his arms above his head and turned sideways, and as he entered, the peak of his large stomach grazed the edge of the door. His fat buttocks brushed against the doorframe. As he walked in the dark through the kitchen and living room that he had insinuated himself into so many times before, but now took as his own, he briefly, in his low way, realized that his stink was noticeable in this clean home. He had not smelled himself in his own, dirty hovel. He did not think it would wake the Hills and get in the way of what he planned to do, at least not this early on. So he squatted to untie his is filthy boots, which covered fungus-infested feet, and stepped out of them. As he rubbed the top layer of the foot infection into the Hills' long, clean, shag carpet, he smiled. It felt good, but he was also thinking of the time that a charlatan had convinced Hank that the house had a mold problem. It was not a cruel smile, but a nostalgic one. Old Hank had been so worried about a little mold. Bill shook his head slightly. He lumbered, breathing heavily but very quietly, toward Bobby's room.

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If he was court martialed, I can imagine that the powers that be would finally recognize that Bill was mentally unsound ( which he did try and seek treatment for in the mental hospital episode) and give him the treatment he needs.

Though what was the point in giving him placebo's if the army wasn't telling him the point of the experiment?

King of the Hill is more grounded in reality than other shows. The characters are more consistently written and not going to change their ways

People with discipline naturally have no ambition. Ambition are for people who want to climb the social ladder, and step on others beneath them like Khan

Bobby, for a brief break in Bill's fevered imaginations a human being again, ceased his death struggle. Now Bill could do as he wished with the piglet. Bill realized that he had ejaculated a copious amount of semen into his pants at some point during the strangulation of the piglet. He had not noticed when it happened. It did not matter. There was more where that came from. He slowly unbuttoned the piglet's nightshirt, and slid off its pajama pants. It had not been wearing underwear. Again, Bill giggled quietly under his breath.
His anger grew again, hotter and darker this time, as he thrust into the piglet's fat little body. He further twisted the bent-backward arm and both heard and felt the tendons snap. With his other hand he punched the back of the piglet's head twice, and then pressed its face into the pillow as hard as he could, continuing to wrench the arm, now only connected by loose flesh, around.

That's how people with depression and other mental issues act. They're not going to magically overcome their problems.

Except Hank was a much better dad than Cotton, and while it was disappointing to see Luanne just end up a hairdresser married to a toothless slip and fall redneck twice her age, she lives in a non-mobile home, isn't an alcoholic and has never been to jail, which is a big step up from her parents.

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I never said they were terrible people or had miserable lives, I said they were content with their lot in life.

I mean Bobby's path is to abandon his socially maligned dreams for a more acceptable career. That he likes it and is a prodigy is of no matter, in the end he stills conforms and is rewarded by his father for it. There's nothing wrong with that, it just is - Hank doesn't push his son to be President or CEO of a corporation, he just wants him to be happy and socially respectable.

Passion means fuck all compared to ambition. Unless you don't want much like Hank.

Two things
1. Hank was going to join the military, but he got 4H'd due to his narrow urethra. They were considered he would have trouble relieving himself in combat.
2. Hank, while originally planned to be 42-44 years old in the series, was only 34 in the series. FOX told Judge to bring his age down.

Meaning, no, Hank's plan wasn't to be a petty jeans merchant, we was going to be a soldier.
Then he worked selling jeans at around 18-21 years old. Then Buck gave him a job. Then Bobby was born.
Bobby is 12-14 years old in the series.
Hank was working at Strickland Propane before Bobby was born.
Since Hank is 34-36 years old in the series, it means Hank started working at Strickland Propane when he was 20-23.
So its no big deal if Hank spent his first few adult years selling jeans with just a High School Education, especially since Hank would have graduated in the late 70's to mid 80's, a time where you didn't need a college degree to work most places.

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Well this conversation was a few years back, but you have 4 distinctive timelines
Earth 1 is pretty much season 1 to about about season 2's end, right before the megalomart explosion. this is the one where bobby was born sometime in the mid 80's and the show takes place in the about 97-98
Earth 2 Is from the megolomart explosion onward to the Japanese episode, thus allowing the timeline to have slid to around 99-2001allowing for the cooniexbobby arc, Joseph going though puberty, the peggy plane accident, good hank arc, and the Nancy redcorn affairs ending to happen, all ending with cotton meeting his Japanese son, earth 1 events may happen here as well but somethings may be thought of differently with shifting ages of characters.
Earth 3 is where I would say peggys mom is changed to her Montana counter part in the later seasons. bobby is now born from about 90-onwards and pretty much the events of the show up until lucky is introduced. as stated, other earth events may have happened and could, just with some revisons to characters ages and traits.
Earth 4 is pretty much anything 2005- to end of series. and pretty much anything To weird to have happened in the other 3 timelines. I use to have alot more details and reasons, but I haven't really thought of this in a while.

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Early KOTH episodes should never be taken at face value, there was clearly a lot of experimenting with its content and a lot of stuff just didn't stick, like Luanne being a talented mechanic, or Eustace and his son being occasional antagonist characters.

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Sure, but he's still "driven". You can be driven without being ambitious. For all we know, he is ambitious about expanding propane: he's probably not skilled at wheeling and dealing, and the focus of the show isn't about Strickland Propane or his quest to grow the business so it rarely comes up.

Hank is consistently shown with his middle class suburban lifestyle and passionate about the American Dream. He like blue collar work and doesn't like the white collar lifestyle. To him, White Collar Workers are just adults with the mentality of teenagers who never outgrew it.

And american culture hasn't moved past the 1950s, with modern culture being "wrong".

Modern Culture itself isn't wrong. It's just that the people who inhabit Modern Culture like the bankers, techies, and educators, are either delusional or can't make it in the industry they claim to specialize in.

Most of the liberals in King of the Hill act like Wily Loman from Death of the Salesman

There is no "white collar lifestyle" if Hank had the ambition to start his own propane company or replace Buck as manager then he'd be the white collar worker doing what he loves.

Two things
1. Hank was going to join the military, but he got 4F'd due to his narrow urethra. They were concerned he would have trouble relieving himself in combat.
2. Hank, while originally planned to be 42-44 years old in the series, was only 34 when the series started. FOX told Judge to bring his age down.

Meaning, no, Hank's plan wasn't to be a petty jeans merchant, he was going to be a soldier.
Then he worked selling jeans. Then Buck gave him a job. Then Bobby was born.
Bobby is 12-14 years old in the series.
Hank was working at Strickland Propane before Bobby was born.
Since Hank is 34-36 years old in the series, it means Hank started working at Strickland Propane when he was 20-24.
So its no big deal if Hank spent his first few adult years selling jeans with just a High School Education, especially since Hank would have graduated in the late 70's to mid 80's, a time where you didn't need a college degree to work most places.

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Yeah, but that kind of contradicts story-telling 101, characters should change.

Im not saying Hank becomes a liberal hippie type (although they did tease with that a bit in that co-op store episode) - I'm just saying, Hank maybe opens up his own store after years and isn't such a stick in the mud to his child's amibitions.

Shit like that.

Luanne could've easily married a well educated worldly person, possibly from another country and easily gotten a different job via college degree - yet still lived in the same neighborhood she does in the end, have a kid prematurely ect..

Hank was meant to be around 50 years old, like Mr.Anderson from Beavis and Butthead.

Blind study on behalf of the researchers. They would be the ones who wouldn't know the placebo so their research isn't affected by the bias.

>episode about Khan accepting his mom dating Bill gets a happy ending for everyone
>she's doesn't make a reappearance but is mentioned several times in following episodes
>after that season she's never mentioned again

I hate status quo adherence.

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Hank sees Buck as a father figure and respects the guy too much to replace him.

You're about everything but Bobby wasn't a ladies-man, he barely got girls on purpose

Bobby was always a good cooker

There was an episode that introduced Hank to the idea of modern music and boybands. Hank was so horrified by it that he forced Peggy and Bobby to go to a horse ranch to instill "proper" values into Bobby.

While I agree with that episode's message of "don't give kids too much freedom", it really does show just how badly out of touch Hank is with the world today.

>Hank wasn't a very driven person.
This is pretty much it. There's no reason, with Hank's skills and respect among the National Propane Association, should he be working as Buck's bitch boy.
It always annoyed me on how profitable selling Propane is in their town, Hank never owed it to his social circle who are also financially struggling to start his own business and hire his friends to work for him. He could've got himself a mansion like Buck then passed it on to his son.

>Hank never owed it to his social circle who are also financially struggling to start his own business and hire his friends to work for him.

recipe for disaster, right there.

Adding onto this. Honestly the entire show just made me think Hank just wanted to roleplay as a traditional american and nothing more. It's not something he was taught since both his parents are clinically insane, plus the dude was eager to kick some homeless guys out of their paper route just to start up some outdated paperboy tradition for his son. He just wants that comfy middle-class lifestyle where him and his buddies do nothing but drink all day and fix shit as time ages them.

Some people just don't want to go to school.

>and hire his friends to work for him.
i was up with you till there, did you not wwwatch the show? his friends are incompetent and 2 of them work shitty jobs because of this

Doesn't Hank like country and classic rock? I think Modern Music and Boybands are too artificial for his taste.

Hank is borderline autistic and the only reason people here like him is because he gets violent when confronted, so they get to project on this retarded aspie being "badass".

That's how people outside of the cities live. They're pretty strong on civil participation and American customs. Keep in mind that KOTH takes place in Texas, not in the Midwest or other places where sitcoms are based on.

It's been a while since I last watched, but was there ever an episode about a hardware store Hank was loyal to? If not I think a perfect resolution for Hank would be owning a hardware store. He wouldn't be competing with Buck; he'd be an independent business owner; he could make it a family business; and it would give him even more opportunities for construction projects. It would be traditionally American and blue collar enough to not be outside his comfort zone while also keeping him from having to clean up after Buck.

during the winter storm one when he's passed over for temporary management he leaves town and comes across a family owned hardware store

he's about to quit Strickland and open his own hardware store before customers start calling asking for help

I can only imagine how pathetic you are in real life

I knew the concept felt familiar, Hank still probably could have done that if he owned a store it's just customer assistance. But I understand status quo must be maintained.

99% of the time you never, EVER, mix friends with business.

Proven in the Firefighting episode

He did try to join the army I believe, but was rejected for his narrow urethra

>"Hey, Vsause! Micheal here."

yeah

Hank has a "work your way up from the bottom" philosophy with his career. He probably expected to become the store manager or something.

Yeah, I remember this. He actually failed penis inspection day.

ha

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Nobody in King of the Hill ever does that well. A running theme is kids being slightly better off than their parents. Not much, but little improvements. Bobby had a fine childhood, which was better than Hank's Which, despite being bad, was by all accounts better than the small glimpses of whatever nightmare situation Cotton had as a boy that we saw.

No, Mr. Anderson was supposed to have been revealed to be Hank's dad, but they decided to not connect the series and created Cotton instead.

>Joseph has the body of a young John Redcorn and Dale's good heart
>Connie has her mom's ruthlessness and is way more likable than her dad
>Luanne didn't end up in jail
Those King of the Hill kids really did turn out pretty well.

I was under the impression that the Mega-Lo-Mart had driven all the other retail businesses out of Arlen, Strickland and Thatherton only had business because the Mega-Lo-Mart didn't sell what they did.

He thought he could achieve something from starting the bottom. That's not how life works though, American dream is a lie and wasting your life with shit jobs is stupid.

lel

>would be

He did really like that one boy band 4 Score until they started taking off their clothes.

>Hank, while originally planned to be 42-44 years old in the series, was only 34 when the series started. FOX told Judge to bring his age down.
He really did seem a lot older in the first season.

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There was a hardware store he went to but stopped going to because they were supporting that kid with a broken leg who took Bill's touchdown record. He said that Sears sold him the best hammer in the world.