I finally saw this movie tonight.
They were making a big deal about not disturbing the timeline, but then they caused major messups to it. Not just Cap. Merca staying back in time to completely change Peggy Carter's timeline. Stark destroyed Thanos and his whole army; did the first snap even happen with them gone? Or did Stark just send them all back to their original time with their memories wiped away?
And what happened to Gamorra? Did Stark make her disintegrate, too?
>t. brainlet
its like you've never read a comic before. Branching timelines. multiple universes. Basic marvel cosmology.
Hulk explained they can't change the past because they weren't technically going to their past; when you travel to the past that becomes your present yadayada. I can understand your confusion considering the Avengers did things like make Hulk act stupid and smash some stuff, and usually when you see behaviour like this in time travel shit it's so they don't change the past, but really I'm pretty sure they only did stuff like that so they don't create needless trouble by standing out too much. Obviously something like Loki fucking off or Thor taking Mjolnir would dramatically change events otherwise.
>Tony, Cap and BW actor's wanted leave
>Gamora actress wanted still
>A lot of the dead characters wanted to appear in the movie
-shit we mess up in IW, what do we do?
-I know, we use the trip in time, first let's say it's very important and we can not alter anything so they do not say we chose the easy way, and then we put jokes and kill iron man so that nobody questions anything for fear of be booed
-God, man you are a genius
if they made strange and tony fight side by side I would have enjoyed it more, there are many inconsistencies and shits like that (I think that Carol's fans try to explain how Carol traveled through space with the powers of the tesseratt, but I do not know, then that answer creates more questions, like all the inconsistencies that the movie left)
is a product for the masses, just put good special effects, a villain with a motivation that looks deep but is very simple in reality, and still a good movie to see (not to think much)
btw fortnite endgame mode it's the best thing that the movie leave (I hope there is a horde mode in the Square Enix game)
Needed that normie dollar because they knew the movie would suck overall and piss off the crowd that will bother to rewatch it. Remember how they were all "Don't spoil the endgame"? If a movie can be ruined by spoilers, it was never any good to begin with.
You're a retard. The point of not spoiling is to let somebody experience it themselves instead of being told. If you get told that Iron Man dies then you'll just be waiting for him to die instead of being surprised when it happens.
Bullshit. Takes away nothing because people have been speculating this for over a year. It was a shit movie.
Fpbp
You have autism then. Do you really think the normal person would be wasting his time speculating all year? That still doesn't argue against my point of having somebody explore it themselves is a different experience that being told the outcome. Can't you understand why people would rather watch a replay of a competitive game rather than get told the result?
>"Don't spoil the endgame"? If a movie can be ruined by spoilers, it was never any good to begin with.
I disagree, sometimes a plot twist is necessary to surprise the viewer and if it has logic it can change the expectations that you have up to that moment
Unfortunately, this is not the case
You're not reading right and we're both saying the same thing. I said they wanted normie dollar, so they hyped the meme that you can't spoil the movie. That's it. Anyone who cared beyond one watch was probably a fan and won't have cared about spoilers because they either speculated or read the leaks. The movie was front-loaded at the box office: Normies won't rewatch. Fans too pissed by low quality dab memes and character assassinations to rewatch. Marvel earns both dollars anyway.
It's really easy to understand.
They split up timelines and ignored the fact that they were doing it. Captain dickhead is too stupid to get that and didn't see the problem with fucking around and ruining timelines.
So the original timeline right up until he decides to jerk off with his wife was there, the moment he fucked around, it altered it.
Basically what bald lady said is correct: remove the gems, you fuck around with my time - place them back in the right spot and no fucking around. Except the original timeline is now completely split after Captain dickhead travelled in time and fucked around so we don't know what the original timeline is.
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>Captain dickhead travelled in time and fucked around so we don't know what the original timeline is.
He was putting back the stones they borrowed. He put them back, stayed in one and quantum travelled with his device and Pym particle back to the present MCU timeline. How hard is that to understand? Nothing he did in the past in the MCU Prime has any bearing on the present and nothing he did in alternate timelines affected this, since they still stayed "won". Were you asleep during the movie or are you that stupid?
Yes and the timeline he's in now is now split from the original.
The original one is unaltered but the new one is now altered as it should not have an old captain dickhead
I get that you're probably under the impression that because he put the gem back it means whatever happens is okay but it's not
>and quantum travelled with his device and Pym particle back to the present MCU timeline
The problem is that bit. It contradicts the rules the movie uses, and the "solution" was for the writers to just say he got back a different way.
>you're probably under the impression that because he put the gem back it means whatever happens is okay but it's not
Then your problem isn't with "Captain Dickhead", it's with Scott who suggested time travel to steal the stones and alter the flow of time.
Where did they say he came back in a different way? What interview?
my biggest gripe is that endgame sacrifices plot and spectacle for fanservice which wouldn't be so bad if IW, which had all three perfectly balanced, wasn't the movie right before it
>it's not the fault of te guy who broke the rules but the fault of the guy who explained the rules
Okay.
They all broke the rules, sperglord.
So we've gone from "Captain America split the timeline" to "it wasn't his fault, it was someone else's for explaining what not to do" and now "well they're all kinda at fault because they didn't stop dickhead man"
Your insults are getting tiring - you now aware that you've been wrong with your arguments - come up with a logical one as I'm done wasting my (kek) time (get it, it's ap un) on you
>Where did they say he came back in a different way?
ew.com
>So, has Cap been living in the past this whole time — or did he go and live in another dimension?
>The directors say it’s the latter.
>“If Cap were to go back into the past and live there, he would create a branched reality,” Joe explained. “The question then becomes, how is he back in this reality to give the shield away?”
They then go on to imply there's a potential story in this alternate timeline that explains everything.
Doesn't take away his device and Pym particles. He also swiped a few extra from Pym in the 70s.
The only one who has a problem with split timelines is you. Would you rather they didn't and leave the world as it was after IW? Steve haters are so tired. Come up with something new.
>haters
Not a word - someone else can respond to you since you've just decided to troll now and call peopel names instead of trying to dsipute arguments.
Anyone else want to explain why Captain dickhead messing with timelines is okay and doesn't alter timelines?
>Doesn't take away his device and Pym particles
The device doesn't allow him to return to the original timeline, except through the quantum vortex, as far as we know. Given that the director says it's an open question how he got back, he didn't use it.
I'm guessing he tracked down the Ancient One or Strange (depending on the year) after Peggy died and convinced them to find a way to put him back to rebalance the timelines or something.
They didn't need the platform to jump to a certain place, since they could pinpoint exact location with the wrist watch thing. The Russos were going for dramatic effect.
Say he's not using the device or asking the wizards for help, it means Steve stayed in this timeline's past and never branched anything new to be with Peggy. If he upset anything like thawing himself out or rescuing Bucky earlier, he'd set them up to lose to Thanos. While it'd make anti-branchers happy, it also means Cap sat on his hands because he couldn't upset anything that happened in MCU Prime. Otherwise, he'd be a bigger villain than Thanos even though he was doing good.
>They didn't need the platform to jump to a certain place
It's not about places, they need it to jump to the original timeline. Once they're through the vortex, they can jump to arbitrary times and places in a different timeline, but only one place in their original one.
We have no idea if he sat on his hands the whole time in the other timeline either, since it wouldn't have any effect on what we saw. He might've put something in motion to stop Thanos early before he left that timeline.