Who was in the wrong here?

The people who watch this garbage and post about it

Its a local drawfag
He should honestly dump his stuff into the Yea Forums booru for safe keeping

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>t. Mad because they know Hal would lose to Ben at his most powerful

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>Makes threads complaining about the results of a pretend fanfic battle for over a month now
>Calls anyone else mad

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Give Ben Ascalon, Skurd, and the Biomitrix and you'd have to give Hal stuff like a Black Lantern Ring (complete with Nekron), Parallax, a Mother Box so he could go God of Light, Ion, and the Spectre

Imagine defending Death Battle Oof Yikes!

i don't need to see ultra ben
but hal winning by time traveling is kind of bullshit

DB

God, power level fags are insufferable

Cope, zoomers

Weak bait
Almost as weak as Ben

>God of Light
I’m still baffled how much more powerful that was compared to literally every other god in the story, including Darkseid who OWNED that Mother Box

How broken was it?

>(complete with Nekron), Parallax,

Outside help.

So why is Skurd ok for Ben to use but those two aren't for Hal?

Can't believe Rooster Teeth animated an episode for them where Wiess looses.
I guess they aren't that biased after all.

Is this seriously going to be Yea Forums's Link vs Cloud in where we have one Death Battle thread a week just to bitch about it? Superman vs Goku doesn't count because that somehow applied to all demographics

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Oh he is out too

Nah, they're just playing damage control

Post thematically appropriate DC Death Battles, you want to see

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I have come to hate Ben 10 after watching the shitstain that is Omniverse. I regret watching, it broke my nostalgia goggles.

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Because despite what some benfags say, Omniverse is shit.
Only the original series was kinda entertaining, the rest is just crap.

Undeveloped character in a series still young

V.s. anime character around for years with hell of a time frame to power creep.

>RWBY
>still young
It's been around for 6/7 fucking years user. Plus they had no issues shilling for Yang for her fight despite having far less canon material

Nekron works more like Jiraiya and Bayonetta's summons since he's bound to Hal when he has the ring

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So Yea Forums
Green Lantern Power Ring (ties directly to your real life willpower) or Omnitrix (original model)?

I’m a GL fan, but Omnitrix. No way in hell do I have more willpower than Green Arrow and he can barely make constructs

I will compare it to Jimmy Olsen signal. Since, nekron have try go into DC universe in his own way without using black lantern ring.

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B10 faggots for ruining what would optimally be a cute big brother/lil brother kind of scenario. Because their power faggotry just HAS to mirror DBZ's.

I love how that issue of Justice League more or less ended the Goku vs Superman debate. Watching the Gokufags seethe in that thread was pretty great too.

Options: sage

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Was Supes amped?

Nope

No. People tried to argue that he was when he got filled back to normal and flying through other suns (to navigate himself back), but other anons were quick to point out that at the speed Supes was going, he wouldn’t have been able to absorb any solar radiation. He also didn’t look the way he does when he’s supercharged by sunlight.

*normally does

That would be cute

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Zoomers still haven't coped since the 2016 election results. This will continue for years.

Does he have an answer to this?

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Cute

Half of the "outrage" isn't even real. Every couple of days someone restarts this "discussion" probably just to see the reaction.

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Honestly, I think Hal was in the wrong. He saw the Omnitrix, and identified it as a dangerous artifact, which implies that he knows of the Omnitrix, but fails to confirm any kind of intel on the thing. If he did, he might know that Ben's got the okay from the device's creator Azmuth to use it.

Of course then we'd have no fight, but still... Hal jumped the fucking gun, and now the Plumbers would be breathing down the necks of the Council on Oa.

This. We've had enough threads complaining about it.

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He's about as strong as The Thing relatively speaking

which The Thing?
Green Lantern is one of the only things that works on The Thing (alien bioform)

He meant Acroyear
When the Fantastic Four entered the Microverse, it was commented numerous times that Acroyear and The Thing's strength matched
He can also fly but I'm still reading Micronauts so I don't know if Acroyear has anymore notable feats

I don't get why they didn't use Teenage Ben. I'm not really a GL fan can he really do all the stuff they listed and when will Death Battle pay for good animation.

Because the exact version of Ben didn't matter since NO version could beat Hal

It could've been adult Ben and it wouldn't have made a difference in terms of raw abilities

They used Kid Ben because he had sprites already
Teen Ben didn't and they already spent their time making custom Alien X sprites

True, but he didn't even have the thing for an hour. You could probably get the hang of it eventually and even without making constructs it's still an insanely powerful alien super computer.

What happened in that vol?

Could he still fly or have enhanced durability?

Superman flew from the edge of the universe to Earth and one shotted the Forger of Worlds and destroyed his anvil at the same time.

Recreated Oa, ressed all the dead lanterns, went back in time, existed everywhere light existed (so omnipresent, omniscient). It was pretty great.

OS, AF, UA, OV
Watch the whole of each series.
AF/UA aren't nearly as good as the others but they're worth watching

Haven't watched the reboot yet, hear it's decent

It's not good until the final 3 episodes of season 1

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Hey guys remember the Rainbow Dash vs Starscream fight?

>Starscream.
>Ever winning.

Just remember user. A black girl hacked into the central power battery. Hal stand no chance.

Not thematic.

Take the lantern pill. Morrison has a good run out right now. Read it.

Thematic

Acroyear was punching space ships. He could legit beat it to death.

She also hacked the Source which makes her the most powerful hacker in all of fiction.
Respect Teen Lantern.

Yeah and Ben’s still gonna lose against Hal because he can’t beat willpower

>Post Gokuck faces when Superman tells Goku to look at him

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I can't wait for her to be culled in the next Cry for Justice-tier event

>Implying she wouldn't also beat Ben.
Why is Ben 10 so weak?

Yes superfags here are acting like big blue didn’t go several suns where one was enough to amp to bring him at full power

>hacked the Source
Please tell me this isn't what it sounds like.

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Not long ago he smashed through infinite mass in his way and flew an infinite distance while doing so and he wasn't amped at all.

I can't believe there are people that actually think Goku or whatever flavor of the month anime protag is can beat him. Ludicrous.

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>People keep pretending OV didn't suck hard

It's hard to tell exactly because it's Bendis writing but it sounds as if Bendis thinks Lantern energy is part of the Source because Teen Lantern mentions hacking The Source behind it, with capitals.

God I hate Bendis.

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>He was amped
After the first star he was stated as going so fast light would take months to catch up to him.
And he was likely accelerating.
Cope cope cope Gokuck.

This. Whenever Superman pulls of a crazy infinity level stunt they scream OUTLIER! OUTLIER! and Superman just. keeps. doing them.

Pre-Swan Death Battle knew enough to give Superman the win. That's how effident the gape is between them.

Which wasn't even the real Earth right? Wasn't it also a fake universe made in a dimension that specifically was made to trap and drain Super man's power like with the Dark Mulitverses Towers?

>NOOOO VS BATTLE WIKI SAID HE WAS SOLAR SYSTEM LEVEL AT BEST THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING THEY SAID SUPERMAN WAS WEAK WHY IS THIS HAPPENING

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It was a model universe created by the guy that made ALL the universes on his anvil as a prototype that he was going to copy+past all over the multiverse.

What he trapped him in with no suns was the 6th dimension which had no stars but Batman amped with a Son Box moved a few suns there so Superman could break through back into Universe-Forger, fly to Earth-Forger, and BTFO Forger.

>light would take months to catch up to him
False. Light would take hours. Sound would take months. And that is after going through all the suns.

Light would take the same amount of time to cross the distance no matter how fast Superman went, this means nothing, you absolute brainlets.

That was what was said while he was flying through the first few suns on his way to Earth along with him being faster than physics and imagination.

Nope nope nope
Cope cope cope

That was through all the suns. There is no indication that he went through more after that as we see from when Lois saw him. She didn't see him shot through a star. COPE DOG COPE.

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So that fucking ends it then, the World builder is meant to be on par with the monitors with a retcon device and Supes punched him out, THEN convinced him to join the JL.

The only debate left to take about in this fight is that Goku has precog sense when people are going to use time stop on him, manga version has the Hakai that can destroy almost everything it touches, his latest movie which is considered canon has the implication that his fight as Gogeta shattered the dimensions briefly. I mean, how the fuck are you going to argue now that Supes isn't top dog in this brawl? (I'm not counting Ultra Instinct since Supes has his own version of it and judging from the ToP, that form at best would only last between 2 to 8 minutes)

>>>/dbs/

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This. Anyone using it as either a positive or negative feat is retarded. There's almost no actual information we can get from the scene other than "Superman went really fast".

>supeman traveled X distance at a speed of "faster than he has ever moved before, beyond physics and imagination. Redrawing what is possible".
>light would take X hours to cross this X distance
>X is at least 0.5x the length of the universe, depending on how far Earth is from the edge. +however far the distance was in the 6th dimension

We don't the distance or how fast Superman actually crossed the distance.

Fuck off, all of you.

UI is a nothing burger. It just makes him faster. It doesn't give auto/infinite dodge. Source: people still hit him.

>She didn't' see him shoot through a star

How far apart do you think stars are?

But we do know that the hours won't be more than all the hours in a month because if so they would use months for hourse and years for sound. Get dunked.

Far enough that light can traverse in seconds as she need to have seen Clark.

Oh cool, nice work man. That actually allows us to work out....uh nothing.

Fucking kill yourself please.

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>hurr durr bEn iz teh stronkest, Olium eX win all tiem

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>Assuming that the super-weapon spacestation that BTFO Apokalips can't process FTL

Given that its also described as "Beyond physics and imagination rewriting what is possible" I don't think we're supposed to put a number to it. He traveled from the edge of the universe to Earth in the time it took Batman to make a rousing speech.

How fast is that? Fast enough. Certainly faster than Goku as if Clark wasn't that fast already.

But that part isn't calculable while the hours and months is. The writer themselves wrote it. You either accept this or we can have all writer statements be false right now. All of it. Even from previous comics. You want that. Also, going FTL is beyond physics. And Goku is faster than time.

They actually aren't calculable as they're both X hours and Y months.

>Post crisis Superman has never time traveled
AHAHAHAH LOOK AT THIS FAGGOT AHAHAH!

>He powered out of a ki-based time stop
Ohhhh so impressive.
Fucking Jon Kent powered out of an ACTUAL timestop.

And imagination? Rewriting what is possible in the same universe with a guy that uses a hammer and anvil to create multiverses?

Cope cope cope
Nope nope nope

>But that part isn't calculable while the hours and months is.
I already told you that doesn't matter because we know neither the distance nor the time superman took to cross. Only somewhat knowing PART of the distance allows us to calc nothing. I thought you dbz tards were supposed to be good at this mathematics stuff, it's all you ever cry about.

>And Goku is faster than time.
>this meme again
Now i know you're just trolling.

They actually are. An user did the calculation during storytime. Reminder that the hours cannot go beyond the number of hours in one month. After that everything else was super easy.

>t-time travel
What the fuck are you on about?

>it was ki time stop. it doesn't count
It was real time stop. Goku just moved faster than actual time. Yes, faster than time.

Don't be pathetic.

And Jon Kent is stronger than time, deal with that, bitch

>Hours cannot go beyond the number of hours in a month
Why?
Why would you say that?
About the same statement that said what was being possible was being rewritten?

What kind of autistic mess are you?

>An user did the calculation during storytime.
That user (you probably) was a fucking idiot who calculated nothing but the possible distances. Again, this allows us to work out nothing at all.

Goku didin't move faster than time, if you're referring to the timeskip. All he did was move fast enough to catch up to Hits speed. Stop being a brainlet. Did you even watch the show?

Going faster than light is rewriting what we know of right now. Even in our imagination we can't think of ways to move FTL. We just think of ways to use a shortcut with wormholes.

But we know the statement. Hours for light. Months for sound. The fucking writer wrote that. WRITER.

I cannot believe how much superfags have to cope just so their favourite boy scout won't look pathetic.

>But we know the statement. Hours for light. Months for sound. The fucking writer wrote that. WRITER.

AGAIN THAT MEANS NOTHING. IT DOESN'T TELL US HOW FAST SUPERMAN WENT. IT TELLS US A RANGE OF TIMES FOR LONG LIGHT WOULD TAKE TO CROSS THE DISTANCE.

There is no possible way to calculate ANYTHING relating to Superman in this instance. Seriously, please tell me what you are talking about. None of us are denying the light statement, you absolute fucking mouth breather.

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Yeah, Goku and Jiren is too. So what?

Because if it was more the writer would have used months and years. The writer didn't. Also try to guess. How many months would it take for sound to travel the same distance light travel in 2 hours? More than 1000 months.

No. Hit is immune to his own time stop. Goku just moved faster than time. Deal with it.

>Hit is immune to his own time stop
That is a) never stated and b) meaningless to what I said. Do you have a learning disorder?

>Rewriting what we know
DC's known about FTL speeds since Jay in the 40's. That's not rewriting what we know.

>THE WRITER WROTE IT
Scott Snyder said on twitter that you aren't supposed to pick a number for it. He went from the edge of the universe to Earth in time to save the day and BTFO Founder. That's all there is.

Be gentle with him. He's a Gokuck on suicide watch after Superman shattered his dreams with yet another Super-feat.

lmao imagine not understanding basic math

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This so fucking much.

jfc powerlevel fags are the fucking worst.

none of it fucking matters.

>hours won't be more than all the hours in a month because if so they would use months for hours and years for sound
Under what fucking rule?

Snyder could have wrote "afternoons for light, holidays for sound" and have given us just as much quantifiable information to work with.

If the points don't matter why keep score?

>superfags are this fucking dumb
Okay user. Lets go through this one by one. Light has speed. Speed that we can know right now just by googling. The speed will usually be in the form of m/s. So, we now know how far light can go in a second. What about an hour? Multiply it by 3600. That is the distance of what light travel in an hour. Remember what speed is? It is distance / time. There you go, the speed of something that would have light travel an hour to catch up. Now multiple that by the number of hours in a month and you can get the highest speed superman can travel. Superfags BTFO.

Because than he would have used months and years, decades and centuries to make Superman feel more impressive. But he didn't. BTFO again. Cope more dog.

I'm not touching that, you are so wrong I wouldn't even know where to begin.

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Explain what's wrong dumbass. Or do you actually not understand that? Ahahahahahaha. Are you american by any chance?

Stop taking this idiots bait.

>Because then he would have
Again, UNDER WHAT FUCKING RULE?

What are you, Scott Snyder's editor?

He was accelerating you fucking mong.

>It's said outright that Hit's abilities stop working if the opponent's powerlevel is higher than his
>Goku is faster than time guys!
Goku would get utterly owned if he had to fight a hax character without a stupid weakness like that.

If not why use hours and months? Why not decades? Why not centuries? Because he didn't think or that? Why didn't he think of that? Because it would have gone too far? He set a limit for Superman in his mind. Superman is slow. Deal with it.

>outright
Ahahahahahaha. Where user? Was it against Jiren? You know. The guy that was basically above everybody.

Is there anything worse than salty Ben10fags?

Superfags that can't accept reality.

Salty gokufags, they're still gonna be crying when the ben10fags have forgotten about the battle. They're the ones who keep starting all this shit. You really think there are many goku vs superman threads started by Supes fans? Barely any.

Still pretty close though, I think the benfags might be EVEN more ignorant of Hal than gokeks are of supes.

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Maybe because he likes how it sounds better than saying a gorillion aeons? Without hard numbers the feat is nebulous as fuck. He went from the edge of the universe to the Earth. You might as well try and figure out how much force he needed to break the anvil that Forger literally beats universes into shape on.

>He set a limit for Superman in his mind
Somehow I doubt he had a physical limit in mind when he wrote that he was faster than physics, imagination, and rewriting what was possible in his wake.

Because otherwise he would have given us a hard number.

Gokufags that can't accept reality.

Bencucks WERE more ignorant but as this thread proves NOTHING will ever equal the salt of DBZfags. Maybe One Punchfags. MAYBE. But even then it wouldn't surprise me if they moved on after Juggernaut or whoever hands Saitama his ass while Gokuks continue to seethe and play word games.

>halfags can't accept the fact that a black girl hacked a central power battery
>halfags can't accept the fact that hal killed himself when Booster Gold convince him to do it
COPE

>Superfags that can't accept reality.
>being a gokufag
I think I found someone worse.

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Faster than light is faster than physics. Imagination is slower as it is only as fast as the synapses in our brain.

>Faster than light is faster than physics.
Not in DC, ftl spaceships are very commonplace. Try again, fucboi.

They were travelling through hyperspace. Even star wars did that.

>Dyspo in his Lightspeed mode is so fast the Gods can't keep track of him
>Goku is slower than lightspeed

>he can't imagine something going faster than light
pathetic

Oh, really? Remind me which "They" you are referring to. Go on. Fuckwit. Hyperspace is not the only travel method used in DC.

Jesus Christ, now you're just straight up lying. Are you that Benfag from the last thread who unironically just made up lies based on his assumptions?

DC physics involves magic.

>Imagination is slower
Imagination is the 5th dimension. Its outright stated in the same arc the feat was from.

READ COMICS AND COPE MORE

Reminder that Goku can't lift 40 pounds.

This.
The Xenos were shocked that they couldn't pick up Dypso by slowing down the footage on their god pads showing that FTL movement is rather rare for DBZ.

Ultra Instinct Goku has infinite 4-dimensional strength, and Goku Blue is a little less than that.

Gogeta and Broly hit each other so fucking hard that they started fighting in hyperspace.

40 tons actually.
In the Super manga Super Saiyan Vegeta couldn't budge the 1000 ton Magetta.

>>Goku was dodging lightning as a fucking child
>everyone relevant by the Android's Saga was lightspeed, with Perfect Cell and SS2 Gohan MASSIVELY faster than light
>Dragon Ball Super has shit writing and wildly inconsistent scaling

Okay.

>Ultra Instinct Goku has infinite 4-dimensional strength, and Goku Blue is a little less than that.
I'll take 500 for "Shit that never happened", Alex

Toriyama is stupid about that stuff. Goku could lift Demon King Piccolo when he was kaiju size as a fucking young adult, and he must have been 100s of tons. A goddamn Super Saiyan could lift MILLIONS of tons.

In all these threads I've yet to see a single person argue against these two points sufficiently. I guess db characters are just slow and weak.

>everyone relevant by the Android's Saga was lightspeed
Never said on screen/panel. Your headcanon can eat my shit.

>Shook a world of infinite void by yelling
You just lost 500 dollars, faggot, now get the fuck off of my show.

>A goddamn Super Saiyan could lift MILLIONS of tons.
Never shown once. SS4 struggled with a building and vegeta with god ki failed against 1000 tons.

>infinite world of literally nothing
Wow color me impressed!

Toriyama's a shit writer. He literally pulled 40 tons out of his ass because "it sounded heavy". Goku is way stronger than that.

Lightning is slow compared to light.
>Everyone in Android was lightspeed
Based on fucking what?

No he isn't. Clearly not because he struggled with 40 tons lmao. Stop denying reality.

Based on Frieza being light speed in Namek saga.

>He made the arena shake
>That means he can punch 60 megaverses

>SS4 is building level
lol I don't even have to respond to that honestly
>Vegeta
Shit writing.

>infinite world of literally nothing

It's space, you dumb fuck. INFINITE space. And he SHOOK IT.

And I thought I told you to get the fuck off my show? You're in jeopardy of having my foot lodged into your ass.

>Arguing against the writer so you can say Goku is stronger
Sad. Goku is just a wimp

based on?

since when

But Goku lifted more than that at the start of Super.

Nope, shit inconsistent writing. Teen Goku lifted 100 tons Piccolo. NEXT.

Guess he old

Based on the calculation that was done. You guys literally need to be part of the va community.

>low feats for goku don't count
>high feats for Superman don't count

Behold the galaxy brain of your average dbztard.

He made THE INFINITE VOID shake.

>It takes hours (not even a specific number, anywhere between 2 and infinity) for light to catch up to Superman
>LoL Superman is slow
>Goku is slower than Lightspeed
>I-It's just shit writing!

I meant vs community.

show us the fucking calculation then.

Toriyama fully admits he tries to keep it simple so kids can understand. Not fighting with him, it's just the way it is.

Who the fuck is talking about Supes you smega snorter?

>calculations
>scaling
We deal with actual feats here friend, things that REALLY happened. Gokek has weak feats and few at that, so he's shit. If we 'powerscaled' superman against some people he's beaten you'd probably have a stroke at how strong he could be.

Do you in your infinite wisdom to have dbzfans take account of everything that has happened to Superman in the most inconsistent medium to have ever been made? You REALLY want that?

youtube.com/watch?v=oD9UazyCxtM

You Goku speed downplayers can shut the fuck up now.

>Who the fuck is talking about Supes you smega snorter?
You and the ENTIRE REASON this conversation is happening, you troglodyte.

At least Ben is not a pedophile

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If we powerscaled back, we have Superman jobbing to some mook that isn't even building level.

She was 28!

>scaling

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I was responding to this bullshit about Dyspo being the only lightspeed character and about Goku's speed.
So uh, you know, eat my asshole.

>shot by laser

>Dypso only being lightspeee
Literally didn't watch the anime.

Yes, faggot. Scaling. How you find out how powerful characters are.

or you could, i dunno, read the story as it is.

Reread my post, you idiot.

>I was responding to this bullshit about Dyspo being the only lightspeed character
He is though and it being the most recent possible canon, it's the current standard.

There is literally NOTHING you can say against it. DBz characters are slow. Call it a retcon, call it bad writing. Whatever. It exists and you have to deal with it. Light speed was shitting on ToP tier characters.

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That's not that impressive. Won't a shockwave in an infinite void stretch out to infinity?

Batman beat superman
Batman could get killed by a bullet
Superman could get killed by a bullet

Chart Superman

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You mean vs battle wiki?
The guys that have Simon Belmont as Multiverse + and Superman at solar system level?

user those people are literally insane.

Which is what powerscaling is, stupid. You read the story, see what happens, and draw conclusions based on WHAT HAPPENS. RETARD.

Yes but you dbztards always ONLY scale off the highest feats, why would you not do that for Superman? Bias? Nah that couldn't POSSIBLY be it.

No? It'll fizzle out eventually. You would need infinite energy to cause a shockwave that wide.

Nope, bencucks are the worst.

>Salt the Programmer
Not giving this nigger clicks. What was his argument?

You're just mad because Simon is stronger than your weak ass favorite character

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Maybe he means /r/whowouldwin, which is somehow even more pathetic because they feed off the vs wiki.

You'll have to watch the video to find out, nigger.

>It would fizzle out
Not in a perfect void. Objects in motion user.

Scaling, nothing more. You'd think that DBZtards would have taken the hint that powerlevels don't matter and almost never have outside of like 3 episodes from the saiyan saga.

They aren't that bad because they atleast post scans and feats and know that Superman is more than planetary level.

no, powerscaling relies on inconsistent A>B>C logic that doesn't always hold up and is usually backed by fan speculation and math which isn't always supported by the canon.

That you know of

Well correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't scaling mean something like Character X is shown to run faster than light but got smoked in a race by Character Y so Character Y is faster than light?

Is that what Salt is arguing?

>Faster than imagination
>The Flash lives in the DC universe and after having reached his current top speed can imagine it.
>This means Superman>Flash's current top speed.

>he guys that have Simon Belmont as Multiverse +

Dracula is really, REALLY fucking strong, and Simon beat him.

>Superman at solar system level

That is his consistent showing, yes. They also have other versions that are massively stronger than that.

To be fair, we're talking about the same writer that completely forgot that best girl Launch existed and then asspulled the excuse when asked that he thought that people would confuse her for a saiyan so he wrote her out. Toriyama is a pretty shit writer known for heavy biases and inconsistencies that he'll try to cover with bullshit. Not saying it makes Goku stronger than superman, just something to remember.

They put goku > above superman and ben > hal. I give them no credit. If anything it's worse because they do indeed post scans and feats, but still somehow end up on the braindead choice regardless.

Hal would beat Goku easily

>inconsistent A>B>C logic

That isn't inconsistent, that's literally how things work unless there's hax and conditions to consider.

>fan speculation

That isn't power scaling, that's literally fan speculation.

>math which isn't always supported by the canon

If it isn't supported by the canon that it cannot be used to power scale.

This is very fucking simple, why is it so difficult for you to understand?

Basically, but it's scaling based off more scaling for about 80 iterations and decades of fluid canon...and not a single dbztard sees the problem with this.

Beat him off, maybe.

>consistent
What allows for something to be consistent? How many times must superman deal with an infinity before people accept it? I see at least 5 by my measure. Where does the line exist?

Nowhere, I assume with the vswiki, because they're retarded.

Power scaling doesn't have anything to do with power levels.

Power levels haven't even been a thing since Frieza.

>That isn't inconsistent, that's literally how things work unless there's hax and conditions to consider.
>that isn't inconsistent, that's literally how things work except for these factors that make it inconsistent

>Acroyear was punching space ships. He could legit beat it to death.
It's a God. A God that murdered an entire pantheon of deities in its original form, and utterly obliterated the original God of Gods by prying its face open with two fingers.

Size doesn't matter.

>What allows for something to be consistent?

What is his consistent showing? How is he portrayed the most often? Literally the definition of "consistent".

Goku’s willpower is trash against Hal’s

I don't mean the numbers shown in the show, I mean the replacement the idiotic community has invented in attempt to convince themselves it's still possible. It's still a way of measuring power levels.

Goku is multiversal+
Ben wouldnt stand a chance as a mear universal+

>that make it inconsistent

...no. If a character has a hax then that needs to be taken into consideration. Are you just too fucking dumb to understand this? Can't just plug it into the A>B>C formula so you just throw it out, huh? That's sad. It must suck to live with a sub-saharan african IQ.

Goku is portrayed most often in base or maybe SS1. Yet you don't use that do you? You use blue or kaio ken or UI. His least portrayed showings.

Why do you not do that with Superman too?

What replacement? What are you talking about?

power scaling is the replacement you absolute mouth breather. Think for more than a second. Jesus fucking christ.

Reminder since the writer is the highest level of power in the fictional universe, and i'm strong enough to beat any superman writer that i could beat superman, I could also kick Toriyamas ass, so get fucked goku

Because Goku can transform into a Super Saiyan while Superman has different feats for his different iterations? There's a Superman that can't even fly, a Superman that can sneeze away a galaxy and a Superman that can traverse the 5th dimension. Goku, SS Goku and Goku Blue are all the same character

Understand?

Prove it

That doesn't replace power levels you dumb faggot. That doesn't even make any fucking sense. Power scaling is drawing conclusions from fights that happen between characters, it isn't a fucking number. And you're calling ME a mouth breather? What a fucking joke!

I'm not talking about the other iterations. I'm talking about canon, current superman. The one who has done the at least 5 infinite feats I mentioned before.

Also, he absorbed SSGod into his base, not that that really matters.

300 bench 500 squat, and boxing training, bring me to any writer to assault them, and i will

idiot

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Nice argument, retard. Concession accepted, now fuck off.

>Superman has different feats for his different iterations?
Not one single person brought up different versions of Superman. What the actual fuck are you talking about? it should be common logic which one we are talking about.

Pics or it doesn’t happen

>...no. If a character has a hax then that needs to be taken into consideration.
which dragon ball spics can't do because all they have is A>B>C logic. And again, A>B>C is not always reliable
>character A is shown to be faster than character B
>how much faster are they? i dunno but ill just say that goku is infinite speed now even though that was never stated or implied in canon
i still haven't seen anybody post that light speed frieza calc yet btw

Pics of me not doing it or it did happen

Sup, faggots? My name is Dark Schneider and I'm here to fuck up the weaklings known as Goku and Superman. I'll destroy them easily and with no difficulty, and I'll also be taking their wives as my own.

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Shut up, Dork Schneider!

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Dyspo is MASSIVELY faster than light. He was light speed in his "early days", and then he got fucking raped by God Goku.

>MASSIVELY
Said by no one.

Not if his fight autism is tied to his willpower. We're talking about the man that doomed multiple universes to fight strong people. Even after watching universes go pop he still only cared about fighting. Autism is a hell of a drug.

Why would they even mention it then lmao. How retarded!

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>Dark Schneider
He's only 3A at his max, putting him behind Simon Belmont

If he was lightspeed in his early days, that means he's faster now, dumb ass.

Is it low willpower that he can't resist the need to fight or high willpower to not care that it endangers his loved ones?

Due to the fact that Goku is an idiot and is shown to literally have never kissed chi-chi, I don't think he cares at all, thus doesn't have to willpower away his love (that he doesn't have) for them. Ergo, goku has absolute shit tier willpower no matter what.

yes but the question is how much. you can't calculate that because "massively" isn't a scientific unit of measurement.

Doesn't matter, he can destroy the eternal atoms of his enemies with a spell. They can't defend against that. And Simon is not killing DS, he has thousands of shields protecting him and can speed blitz the shit out of him. DS once threw "an infinite number of punches in an instant." Simon gets WRECKED by DS, and then his wife is fucked.

based on?

Simon Belmont can't even kill Dracula, Dark Schneider is EVEN MORE unkillable.

Based on the fact that he's going to get faster through training and experience, which is how he got so fast in the first place, dumb ass.

*Wipcrack*
*Destroys DS and the universe he is in*
He killed dracula twice

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ahh so nothing but baseless headcanon, gotcha

>catches the whip in his bare hands
"Pathetic!"
>rips out Simon's soul and crushes it, with incredible ease
"Utter trash! Ha ha ha ha!!!"

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>I'm too stupid to understand how basic things work

Ah, so you're retarded, gotcha.

destroying the universe doesn't kill DS. you need to kill him on 3 separate planes of existence simultaneously

Another life, and another wife.

No one can beat Hal in the willpower department

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>17

Meh, I'd do it.

Stop pretending when all he is, is another for the list

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This is getting boring! Aren't any of you going to pose a challenge? Will all of your wives be mine? Disgusting!

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And that’s why you don’t have a Green Lantern Ring

>dies of dracula aids

So all DS has to do is wait lol

Also, what in the fuck is this retarded scaling on his page? When in the fuck has Dracula ever displayed universal+ striking strength? The dude literally teleports around and stands still while shooting flaming bats at you.

Hey, schnookums. You busy this weekend?

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I'd rather have a blue one, anyway, because I hope I can get away with it.

Then again, if I had a ring I'd just go to Europe where it's legal.

>because I hope I can get away with it.

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bait

>came in expecting HEATfags and more arguing about the nature of omnipotence
>get Goku vs. Superman arguing
Why the fuck is this one specific match-up STILL being talked about

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So its just power levels without feats?

Have they ever considered the possibility that power levels don't progress arithmetically? If they did. farmer with shotgun has enough of a power level to blow up a continent.

The gods in Hollow Knight were about as "godly" as those in Dark Souls.

No, now we're talking about how Dark Schneider will take all of your lives and then your wives.

because it attracts the worst of Yea Forums and the worst of Yea Forums simultaneously

That Superman that couldn't fly was Kal-L who got bumped up to Kal-El levels in the seventies.

STupid, stupid casual.

>Dark Schneider
She looks pretty weak to me.

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God is just a title

The worst part of Goku vs Superman was the peptalk Goku got at the end from King Kai about how he'd be boring if he were like Superman.
Talk about being a sore loser.

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Yup.

Good luck

Your Superman is a piece oof shit character with no consistency whatsoever, always jobbing to "weaker" characters and being a little bitch about it. Shut the fuck up you stupid DCfag.

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Calm your shit, I just like Superman. Your little deconstruction didn't change my opinion at all.

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Said by Dyspo. Was already lightspeed when he was younger. And he can increase his speed by 1000 times. That's massively FTL.

Anyone who seriously downplays Dragon Ball's speed is retarded anyway. Piccolo blew up the fucking moon with a weak ass basic ki blast, extremely casually, IN SECONDS. That's an FTL feat. Master Roshi did the same with a Kamehameha in DB. Goku avoided a Solar Flare, a lightspeed blinding attack, by stealing Roshi's shades and putting them on before the light reached his face. RIDICULOUSLY fast.

Get the FUCK out of here with the downplaying, DBZ characters have been FTL since fucking Dragon Ball.

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Who was in the wrong here?

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Not the guy you're replying to, but if you think that image there means literally anything about him being beyond faster than light, you're reaching stupid far. Show me the example of hims saying it DIRECTLY is in reference to going beyond light speed and not just "he goes fast without buildup.

You can't because it doesn't exist outside of your head canon.

I don't even know what you're trying to ask me, did you take your medication? He's ALREADY faster than light, AND can increase his speed thousands of times. That makes him at least THOUSANDS OF TIMES FASTER THAN LIGHT. Go be a fucking retard somewhere else.

Lion a bitch. Can’t accept a tiger would beat him

Tigers are stronger than lions, period.

>but if you think that image there means literally anything about him being beyond faster than light

???

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>but if you think that image there means literally anything about him being beyond faster than light

Then he probably has a working brain? Did you watch the episode?

>thousands of times light speed
>this dude was clearly the fastest in the tournament, bar MAYBE UI goku
>it was so impressive that the angels and gods remarked about it. The top god even needing assistance to see him
>this is supposed to be impressive when Superman has flown quintillions of times light speed, Hal Jordan has gone in the quadrillions and even gone near the speed force. Wonder woman has flat out entered the speed force. The Flash has traveled at infinite velocities. Superman has traveled infinite distances in seconds. This is all current canon.

Remind me again why anyone thinks a dragon ball character stands a snowballs chance against Superman? Even Dyspo would be a statue comparatively.

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SS grade 2 Vegeta also blew up a neighboring star with his Final Flash in the Cell Saga. Massively FTL.

I don't care about DC, I'm only addressing faggot downplayers of DB speeds. Superman can suck an infinite number of dicks at speeds faster than the Big Crunch, casually, easily, with no difficulty at all, for all I care.

>Bill Cipher has fangirls much to the dismay of his creators
So how much salt would this match up cause?

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Have sex all of you (especially Ben fags)

>Superman can suck an infinite number of dicks at speeds faster than the Big Crunch, casually, easily, with no difficulty at all

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I've had sex. It's extremely overrated. I'd honestly rather fuck my hand or my fleshlight. Wish I could afford a sex doll, fuck women.

>t. never had sex with anyone

Isn't Bill 4D while Myxy's 5D?

Do you really think sex is that great? I mean, ok? I fucking don't. I have to do all the work and she fucking sucked at making me cum. Like, she LITERALLY couldn't make me cum! Come on! I ate her pussy and made her cum multiple times, but me? I guess it's just too fucking hard.

FUCK WOMEN. Fucking INGRATES. I eat your smelly snatch and you won't even suck my dick. Fuck you.

>she fucking sucked at making me cum.
Stop jerking off 3 times a day.

>t. still lying

> she LITERALLY couldn't make me cum!
You're supposed to fuck the women, idiot. You make yourself cum. Women are terrible at almost everything other than looking attractive and even then they're still crap at it, why would you ever think she'd be good at that lmao

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>t. manchild

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Any tiger could Ice any lion

Considering the Research Team members don't think Saitama is all powerful and one of them wants him to fight Krillin
No amount of memes will save him

Orcachad would dominate both

>taking Saitama seriously
I get he sucks at what he's best at, as comic relief, but that's not even a good excuse

In a neutral playing field (the air) the tiger could easily latch onto the orca while the orca would be unable to do anything to get it off letting the tiger slowly rip it up

Death Battle also said Toph beats Gaara, so...

...they were correct. So....

Sure they were user...

That was before the Research Team got promoted

Yeah, he’s pretty weak in that department

Green Arrow had the ring for a long time dude. Hal have it to him during their road trip

It probably has more to do with the motherbox (Darkseids own motherbox) being connected directly to the power battery and Hal being the wielder.

It's true, if gok become superman, he will bore out of his mind because all of his fighters will be weak to him.

Unless he keep on searching to kick God in the face.

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Nigga, what are you talking about? GL fags accept that Bendis fucks everything up. We don’t like it, but we deal with it. We move on and hope some other writer or editor fixes Bendis’ bullshit someday. Not that it matters; Bendis is the only guy using that character and no one seems to want to deal with Young Justice or the Teen Titans at all. She’s practically a non-entity. You bitches, on the other hand, have made dozens of threads about how butthurt you all are about Hal fucking up your precious shota faggot with an incest fetish. Fuck outta here, bitch.

>two super powered teenage girls with cosmic related powers
>not thematic
Kay

>tigerfags still seething
youtube.com/watch?v=D_PHs-kbypo

This. Teen Lantern is at the very least contained

>have made dozens of threads

It feels like halfags made these threads. And wanted to brag about hal Jordan beating Ben 10.

>Bigger
>Heavier
>Sharper claws
>All that is thrown away because muh mane

Oh come on, you blaming them for everything, Ben 10 fanboys are just that bitchy

That was in the beginning before research got promoted. During that time they had Chief lose to DOOM Guy and Wonder Woman lose to Rogue

What's the theme with the match involving The Knight?

DOOM Guy lose to Chief rather

My one controversial opinion on "Death Battle" is that Master Chief could beat Doom Guy, since most of Doom Guy's weapons only work on demons and not a dude who is built like a Jet who can hit like a tank. But I'd like to see a rematch since Eternal vs Infinite seems cool and my favorite Death Battles were the soldier/gun characters like Widow Maker vs Black Widow and Snake vs Sam

>most of Doom Guy's weapons only work on demons
Except no they don't. Most of Doomguy's weaponry are designed by and for humans.

Gods in Dark Souls are just mortals with powers. Gods in HK are legitimate Higher Beings with domains of their own and elaborate pantheons of cosmic significance.

Well I'm talking about Doom Guy's higher tier of weapons like the BFG or the Unmaker, works great on demons...not so well for a dude like Chief who can no sell a wraith blast (Which in canon and gameplay can kill a regular person by just being in the splash range)

>Most of Doom Guy's weapons only work on demons

No. They are weapons that work on anyone. He just happens to use them on Demons. He can also just straight up punch your head off

What are those two things on the leaf on the bottom left?

But that would mean conceding that Superman beats Goku. Gokufags can’t have that, now can they?

>Two teenage girls with space powers
If that's the best you got its really fucking weak for a theme. You might as well have them fight Teen Lantern or Mary Marvel.

That was pre-Swan DB

Link?

Dypso going FTL is clearly his super mode. It's why they hype him up as "capable of faster than light speeds". It's not his typical speed.

As for ki attacks being fast, yeah, they're basically lasers. Does that mean Mr. Spock is FTL because he carriers a phaser?

No one outside the tip-tops in DBZ move FTL. Some of their planet busting ki attacks can be FTL like the one Goku used to drop Cooler into the sun, but you'll notice they tend to parry and block those rather than dodge. Even purple AYY Superman had to take ki attacks on the chest rather than dodge them.

shadesblogs.blogspot.com/2019/06/death-battle-analysis-saitama-vs-krillin.html
>But the funny thing about this match that allures me is that most of the audience is going to think this is one-sided as all crap... and depending on the audience it could look like a stomp in either direction. But you know I'm a sucker for shattering misconceptions and pre-conceived notions, because I'm here to prove to you that this is the PERFECT match for both characters; in terms of both an even fight and themes. And yes, it is more than just "lol bald". These two are essentially on complete polar opposites of the spectrum in terms of anime tropes and storytelling, yet if these two switched places, both of their respective series would pretty much play out the same, and I find that most amusing considering how they're both viewed in their own series and the fandom, with Saitama being a memetic badass like 2005 Chuck Norris or that Shaggy meme from last year, and Krillin being viewed as a weakling.

He concluded that Krillin stomps

>Piccolo blowing up the moon is FTL
No its not. Moonlight takes about 1.3 seconds to reach Earth. Even if we accept that the ki blast reaches the moon in the time shown (there are cuts involved) its not FTL.

>Muh Solar Flare
Stealing Roshi's shades while Krillen dips his head isn't FTL.

>shadesblogs.blogspot.com/2019/06/death-battle-analysis-saitama-vs-krillin.html

But isn't this the blog?

g1dbteamblogs.blogspot.com/

What is shadesblogs?

Not the best matchup because it plays its hand just by announcing its happening. A better match up would be something like Juggernaut vs Saitama, someone normies see as "just a strong brick" going up against one-meme man.

Shade is a member of the Research team along with Swan and other people
g1dbteamblogs are people who aren't part of the team but can join if Ben-senpai notices them and offers them a position

Reasons why the salt will never be surpassed
1. Ben 10 is huge and is pretty much one of the biggest new IPs of the 2000s with it around the 4.5 million dollar range and a successful reboot
2. Alien X is seen as an instant win button especially after the popularity of Kuro's videos. Not bothering saving X for the climax may have raised eyebrows and having Hal pretty much break the reality wiping was probably seen as blasphemy.
3. Zoomers don't know shit about Hal. At best they grew up with John Stewart thanks to the DCAU or Guy Gardner thanks to Batman The Brave and the Bold
4. If Superman is Goku, Hal would probably be seen as Krillin to the unknowing public. They saw their god tier lose to a character they assumed would be Krillin level
5. Specifically on Yea Forums but this match up was Comics vs Cartoons and HEATfags like to gloat
6. Ending the match with scissors instead of an explosion because the people behind Death Battle wanted more creative finales
7. Ben not wanting the episode to be too long led to shit like why the 6 thoughts crap was invalid not being expressed clear enough

Krillen DOES but if you make him fight Saitama everyone is going to know right away he's going to win. It's better to bait out the salt with and bill it as an "unstoppable force meets unstoppable object" match.

Look at the thread. The salt from Ben 10 vs Dial 11 is already dying down while Gokuck tears KEEP STREAMING.

It was a good fight, and gave us some grade A salt, but its' still only second best to Superman vs Goku.

Since there a thread of Ben 10 vs Green Latern, i wanted to do a little drawing of Hal Jordan.

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Hey man, can you dump your stuff in the Yea Forums booru for easy access or do you have a blog?

Don't have a blog, but will dump my Green Latern/Ben10 stuff in the booru, don't worry. Also, if you have a request, let me know, but going to let you know that i am really slow.

Some user was autistic enough to calc the farmer with shotgun using powerevels. He ended up pointing out that if power levels were reliable, than the farmer would be strong enough to destroy the earth’s surface in a single attack.

This. It's clear power levels have diminishing returns or don't calc in a way so that the difference between 100 and 200 is as big a difference between 1000 and 2000.

And lore wise it makes since that they're unreliable after a certain point because Goku they were made for Saiyan Saga level mooks to keep tabs on people around their level and Goku alone threw their numbers out of wak.

link?

Bad news user, looks like i need a account to upload stuff, and registrations are closed...
Well, will try to archive it somewhere, sorry about that.

Its okay

I have his copypasta:
>Average power level of a planet buster is 18,000.
>Farmer with shotgun had a power level of 5.
>18,000/5 = 3,600 times weaker than a planet buster.
>It takes 2x10^32 joules to destroy the Earth.
>2x10^32/3,600 = 5.55x10^19 joules.
>That translates to 1.33x10^15 megatons of force.
>Enough energy to completely destroy the Earth’s surface in a single shot.

Power levels are bullshit.

Jiren was injured by Android 17 who has done nothing he couldn’t while park ranging as well for years, and Roshi fought him for a while in the manga. just putting that out there.

I mean again by that logic Superman just knocked the fuck down an infinite thing since Forger’s one dimension above Mxy, isn’t that strictly speaking better than shaking it?

According to that one RP reddit AMA Bill’s technically a 2D who somehow augmented himself into an undefined number of higher Ds, implied to be that gate thing he kept getting Stan Pines to build

Also worth noting that in the manga, Roshi was actually the first to achieve a semblance of Ultra Instinct.

Oh yes. See, as neither a DBfag nor a Superfag I feel DB’s at it’s best when it stops pretending powerlevels matter. Like everyone loved the episode where Roshi, in defiance of all expectations, managed to fight a lot of lowtiers who still got into the Tournament of Power and exit with his dignity intact. Like, compare that to Tienshinhan being so irrelevant Vegeta vocally didn’t give a shit he was out. Or Gohan. Like, everything about fucking Soi Goyhan over here from drunkenly shooting his wife to dropping exhausted screaming for daddy after Golden Frieza laser raped his bitch ass to needing ToP!Golden Frieza’s laser cage to catch Dypso AND needing to resort to the sacrifice play which I will never not interpret as Frieza’s scheme to fuck Gohan up one more time. Gohan alone disproves big powerlevels win everything in DB.

Its nice when the underdog low listers get a chance to shine. Like when Tien managed to fuck up 2nd form Cell for a good bit.

Shame Yamchad still hasn't gotten his due yet. Well closest he got was the filler interdimensional baseball game of the god's which was awesome at least.

Fucking Grow up.

She is a sissy. One of those mary sues that girls love so much.

>Who was in the wrong here?
Benfags, they're ignorant.

Nice!

Deathbattlefags, for caring.

loli!

I'd rather see Sakura Kinomoto vs. Zatanna

Sort of works as a battle of apprentice sorceresses. Better than feeding Wanda to her (her House of M power levels were due to her being possessed by a space demon. No seriously.)

Decided to do the image of the OP.

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And here it is without the background, now i will go to sleep, see ya guys.

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Damn this looks nice man, night!

>Oa and the gardians jobbed to parademons
Pathetic

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>doesn't realize that a whole bunch of the parademons are zombified New Gods
Pathetic

Great work m8, looks breddy gr8

No

The fuck do you mean no? It's literally the truth.

This thread has pretty much devolved into /dbs/ dogposting, only lacking the cutefags and piccolo dicks. Why isn't this abomination nuked yet?

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>get the fuck off my show
You're on Yea Forums you power level faggot

>implying the mods/jannies do anything other than skim the catalogue once every 12 hours or so
They'd never even open the fucking thread til someone reports it.

Thanks Doc. Its been awhile since my last dose.

Obligatory. Take your meds, gokufags

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Nah, Lanternfags would rather make an actual GL thread. In fact, now that I think about it...

He’s not faster than time he’s just stronger than Hit, Jiren proved that’s all it takes to beat his bullshit.

Yeah, I’ve noticed a bunch of them lately

I legitimately believe that had Yamcha been in Tien’s place, even if the episode went the exact same way, people would’ve been happy because a draw is more than he could’ve expected.

Goku dodging lightning is filler you never see his training in the manga.

Not to mention the spics

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Simon also has the Vampire Killer which is Dracula’s kryptonite.

Even before we knew the outcome, it was bencucks promoting it, and it's clear it's them again, whining but also trying to keep talking about Ben 10 whenever they can, since there hasn't been anything relevant to talk about when it comes to it for ages.

That got retconned.

Jiren made someone that made infinite space shake his bitch. Or did he make the infinite space shake himself. I don't remember but it is either one of those.

>infinite world of nothing
amazing. So all he shook was the tournament arena. 10/10. It's even called "void".

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This. Bencucks hyped the match because they thought they were going to get their dicks suck and that their boy was going to be the one to break the DC streak.

I do see why people hype shaking an infinite void. A shockwave in space is going to continue travelling until it hits something to slow it down. A shockwave in infinite nothing is going to travel for infinity.

>Bencucks hyped the match because they thought they were going to get their dicks suck and that their boy was going to be the one to break the DC streak.
Funnily enough, it was Ben who sucked Hal's fat dick in the end.

Keyword their is capable, which is likely in reference to his "Super Maximum, Lightspeed Mode".

This. If everyone can go FTL why is it considered Dypso's big thing to talk about?

So what's the DC streak at now? 6?

The BFG is just a nuke launcher, it works on anything.

Since Batman lost to Black Panther last season:

Dr. Fate kills Strange

Nightwing kills Daredevil

Darkseid kills Thanos

Aquaman kills Namor

Billy kills Carol

Hal kills Ben

So yes, the streak is at 6.

You forgot Raven killing the pony.
The streak is at 7.

>Hal's kill is lucky number seven
I wonder if the streak will hit 11 before it ends?

>If that's the best you got its really fucking weak for a theme.
What more of a fucking theme do you want? This is the same show that had Bane fight Venom because of their loose "venom" connection.

Bane vs Venom was not a fight to be emulated.

Even so, they had more than just "venom" in common. They were both burly 90's bad guys created to be physically superior to their heroes. It was a trend in the 90's that gave us losers like Protocide.

If you got to use Sailor Moon you could--

VS Goku. Girls show on Toonami vs Boys show on Toonami

VS Inza Fate/Mary Marvel--Two magical girls that come before her. Could also throw in Samantha from Bewitched or Genie but that's one hell of a curbstomp.

VS another magical girl. There's like a million of them.

That's hardly a better reason.
Fucking Carnage and Lucy had more of a reason to fight

>Goku
Fuck no.

>Inza Fate/Mary Marvel
It'd be more even that way, but Kara is more iconic

>Vs. Another magical girl
What'd be the fucking point of that? We see enough crossover with her and other magical girls.

What was it again?

You, OP. For spamming a fictional what-if scenario that tickled your butthole the wrong way

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Two psychotic mass murderers with messed up upbringings with long ranged appendages

Makes enough sense