Fellas what went wrong

Defenders were pathetic, Luke S1 and Punisher S1 were snorefests. Didn't want Jessica. I can say that at least Luke, Punisher and Iron Fist all improved in the second season. Although it's funny how Pilgrim and Bushmaster murdered lots of people, but were just let go by Punisher and Luke Cage's friends after they listened to their tragic stories. Abloobloo
But that awful ending of Luke Cage, seriously?
>"If you are a boss of crime, Luke, you are a crime boss!"

They started making shows other than Daredevil.
And Bullseye.

Firts of all other than DD 1 and 3 the scripts are a piece of shit, Punisher was really bad, Iron Fist, Luke Cage and Jessica Jones should be just Heroes for Hire, Defenders was really bad too

Corporate dick-waving. Besides that, mediocre shows. Only Daredevil earned their keep. DD S2 completely cockteased everyone with a potentially great Punisher show, then that fell completely flat. I'll carry that anger forever.

Daredevil is the only show that legitimately surprised me. I expected Marvel's Arrow and got something greater.
Jessica Jones is the show that hurts the most because it had the most potential to be great (less focus on action, more focus on psychological, good acting cast, etc) but in the end it turned out to be fucking shit..
Luke Cage is pretty middling and boring.
Iron Fist is, well. Be honest, only stupid and inexperienced expected good things from a show run by Scott Buck.
Defenders was shit.
Punisher was some of the most boring shit ever rivaled only by Jessica Jones.

Leftflix happend

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>Didn't appeal to me, though I'm sure it served its audience
What did he mean by this?

>> Not letting Elektra be sexy or at least look half way like the character.
The series could have used more cheesecake (especially when every single dude has several topless scenes).
But that has nothing to do with the Elektra problem. The issue is that they made her some crazy murder/action addicted woman instead of a stoic assassin.

They got a guy who didn't know martial arts and wasn't athletic to play one of the best martial artists in Marvel. There was one good fight in the whole thing and it was entirely because of his opponent.
Also they turned Davos into a manlet.

The only watchable content was Daredevil, Luke Cage S2, Jessica Jones S1 and the fight scenes of The Punisher.

Daredevil was mostly awesome, except second part of S2. In fact, everything involving Elektra and the Hand (IF S1, Defenders) was shit.
Luke Cage was mostly great too. S2 was pure kino. Only bad part are the last episodes of S1.
Jessica Jones S1 was good, but too long. S2 was one of the worst pieces of shit I'v seen. I'm midway in S3, and it's actually good so far.
Iron Fist S1 was a disaster, S2 was way better, but still meh.
Punisher is... well, boring. I still didn't manage to finish S2 because I don't give a shit about Madani, and even less about Russo and his shrink.

>blaming it on the actor not being a martial arts master
>not on the studio for not putting a mask on him and hiring a fucking stunt double

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I did say "they got", implying it was on them. Also, excessive doubling sucks just as much in fight scenes.

All of DDs fights are a double user. Thats a pretty big standard in hollywood if your actor isnt Tom Cruise of Keanu Reeves.

>> Completely & utterly failing with Iron Fist S1 which deflated hype for Defenders.
>> Not letting Elektra be sexy or at least look half way like the character.

this can be applied to Luke Cage and Iron Fist as well. Miscast actors aside, both were written in totally different ways than their comic counterparts.

Why was Danny so whiny and incompetent? Why was Luke so boring and corny?

>Every single show was stretched as fuck with episodes that felt like nothing was happening

they also miscalculated their audiences. No one but women care about Jessica Jones, but the male characters shouldve been more badass and have more fight scenes.

>>Luke cage
>Didn't appeal to me, though I'm sure it served its audience

It didn't tho. Black people online hated the show for being corny and the mixed political messages.

>Jessica Jones should be just Heroes for Hire

HELL NO

as a fan of Luke and Danny from the comics, fuck Jessica Jones

>They never should have tried to fit so many disparate characters together when they knew full well they wouldn't match.

it's not that the characters are disparate, but they had no fucking plan on how to bring them together.

You could've have pulled of a Marvel Knights type of thing properly, but it's clear they were improvising things and rushing things without an endgame in sight.

Also Daredevil works more as a solo act who occasionally teams up with others, Luke and Danny on H4H, and no one cares about Jessica Jones (been a non-entity for years and has one good story and no staying power beyond that).

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you couldn't have pulled Iron Fist on TV in the first place. There was no way they wouldve done the Immortal Iron Fist run stuff justice in a future season.

Danny is not a dark, angsty character. Turning him into one fell utterly flat.

>Danny is not a dark, angsty character.
Someone should have told Kaare Andrews.

Have you read the Frank Miller stories about Matt and Elektra meeting in college? Her being a sociopathic adrenaline junkie is spot-on.

Nothing. If it wasn't for Disney wanting to do their own streaming service, they'd still be doing new seasons of these shows.

Hooray to Disney for killing this garbage then.

>still a better show than any of the Netflix shit
Only Daredevil comes close.

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Marvel eliminating anything that isn't them.

Iron Fist and Luke should have half of season each
Second season should be called 'Heroes for Hire" [spolier]or don't exist at all, only good thing about iron fist was based Ward[/spoiler]
There should be more interaction between heroes, rather then short cameos and fucking claire everywhere

>Didn't appeal to me, though I'm sure it served its audience

Watch at least the first six episodes.

Defenders was watchable only for Sigourney Weaver.

I think he meant Negroes, user.

based Fiege. Maybe one day we can see Iron Fist on the big screen done right.

The Man Without Fear depicts Elektra as being brilliant yet mentally ill with an extreme sadistic streak. Also it's been years since I read it, but doesn't Elektra: Assassin paint her as having pretty severe issues as well?

I keep seeing everyone say Heroes for Hire, but that wouldn't have worked on a low budget show like Netflix. You would need budgets for different cases and actual threats to Luke and Danny.

also Heroes for Hire seems like a MCU movie type property. Full of fun, action and quippy banter, not brooding and angst about how life sucks.

>The Man Without Fear depicts Elektra as being brilliant yet mentally ill with an extreme sadistic streak
And it's probably the most consistently criticized part of the story and is generally dropped in to non-canon status along with prostitute Selina from Batman: Year One.

Ad-lib storytelling was pretty much it. Using the Hand as a glue to have all heroes come together just doesn't work for various reasons. No one historically except Daredevil have any stake at Hand's shenanigans, they felt so desperate they fucking rewrote Iron Fist as "sworn enemy of da hand". So, while they were ad-libing Hand as something Jessica, Luke and Danny would have to deal with it greatly and I do mean GREATLY diminished impact it had on Daredevil in his own fucking story. Same with Punisher, he really didn't have any business to be in S2, having Daredevil, Elektra and Hand without Bullseye is like having Daredevil, Elektra and Bullseye without Hand (Daredevil 2003). And with Punisher it doesn't stop there as they fucked him up so badly they needed 2 seasons of his own fucking show to revert him to the state of S2 Daredevil, literally only time people cared about him.

I still think cancelling all of it was too much and Netflix will lose out on cancelling Daredevil. He was only one with the right to survive, I would've been cool if he went on for at least 2 more seasons and I even wouldn't have unsubscribed. Ideally I would've loved to see season 3 of Punisher where Frank actually does, you know, the punishing, guest-starring Daredevil too, for it to come full circle.

God, actually, I am not fucking done with Punisher, Frank's treatment in his own fucking show is so fucking shit, in S2 there's this scene where him and his Ellie use photo studio of some pedo filmmaker (cause that makes sense, it's not like Frank is friends with a journalist he can safely trust to or something), probably same pedo filmmaker that used to sell his movies to the pedo shill Frank killed in S2 of Daredevil, but he doesn't kill the filmmaker?! He burns down his studio and they fucking had to make sure Frank spares pedo filmmaker. Fucking, no, Frank should've burned him alive, fuck this shit ass show, fucking punishing "corrupt government officials EXCLUSIVELY".

The Hand was the main antagonist of 3 different seasons and I still have no idea what their plan even was.

Danny's problems are bigger problems in Netflix than that. There is a lot of room in Iron Fist's mythology for angst. His very origin is about vengeance, how it ruins people and how to grow past it. Netflix's Iron Fist is fucking derping around for 12 episodes looking for his character arc until Chinese grandma spoonfeeds it to him. It's almost Rian Johnson-esque in how infuriating it is to watch Iron Fist if you have read Iron Fist comics. Danny realizes what he came for by episode like 12, whereas in the comics we knew what he was after in literally first fucking issue of his Marvel Premiere introduction.

Yeah, better stay that way

They wanted to dig up immortal dragon bones of Not Shou-Lao from beneath New York so that Sigourney Weaver can revive Newt I guess.

>I still have no idea what their plan even was.

Oh dear god.

You should only read this if you want to groan. Ready?

The Hand is led by five ancients, including Madame Gao and Sigourney Weaver's character, outcasts from Shao-Lom, which is the city where Iron Fist was trained. They want to return there for whatever reason, but in the meantime they survive the centuries by consuming... get this... the bones of dragons. Ground-up dragon bone. It's actually an old Chinese trope, of course, so valid in that sense. But they're in a hurry now, because they're out of the stuff and their leader - Sigourney - is dying from cancer. So they desperately want to get at a cache of the stuff, and it turns out that, get this, there's a dragon graveyard deep under Manhattan. THAT was the point all along.

Wanted to get dragon bones under New York to become even more immortal or something.

Literally the only thing the Defenders needed to do to avoid this from occuring was for Danny to not punch the door to dragon bone land with his iron fist powers. Elektra literally explains to Danny, while he's at the door, that she just needs him to punch it with his Iron Fist powers to open it, so of course Danny decides to get in a fight with her while using his iron fist powers. No points for guessing what happened next.

Don't forget very odd unexplained plot point that they couldn't access dem bones without Danny punching the wall for... whatever reason.

I kind of liked Turk's journey, I wish they did some sort of last scene with Daredevil in S3 where Daredevil hopes to get some sort of lead on Kingpin, but nah man, Turk has gone full legit.

Being Frank's bait is at least not as bad as how Rosario Dawson left this dumpster fire.

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Well, THAT I can just about accept. Like a magical seal was placed on the tomb that could only be broken by power like what sealed it in the first place.

That's actually a little bit clever.

She isn't big enough and didn't deserve her own series to me, she could be a decent secondary in Heroes for Hire, maybe with one chapter or 2

I don't understand how a down on his luck black man managed to get released from prison so soon.

I don't think I will ever understand why people like Jessica Jones.

Too many episodes and too little content to actually fill it with. I'm now on my third try of Jessica Jones S3 and I just can't get into it because I don't give a flying fuck about Trish, Malcolm and Jeri and their subplots.

But user, don't you care about the generic serial killer #15756432

>Daredevil s1 was great
>Jessica Jones s1 was a 50/50 split between good and bad episodes, but it ended on the worst episode of the season
>Daredevil s2 was shit outside of the Punisher parts
>Luke Cage s1 had a solid first half and a shit second half
>Iron Fist s1 was rushed as fuck, but Ward was great
>Defenders suffered because of the 4 poor seasons that preceded it
>The Punisher s1 was mostly good, but it should've swapped the last two episodes
>Jessica Jones s2 was mediocre at best and boring at worst
>Luke Cage s2 had a cool villain and a boring MC
>Iron Fist s2 was a marginal improvement on season 1
>Daredevil s3 was great
>Punisher s2 was cool when it focused on Mennonite/The Pilgrim and shit when it focused on Jigsaw
>Jessica Jones s3 was directionless and dull, just threading the same still water as earlier seasons
Outside of The Defenders all seasons suffer severely from having a Marvel-mandated 13 episode minimum length, leading to a lot of unnecessary padding.

The only good Jessica Jones episode is the very first one. That's the only episode where Kilgrave seems even remotely threatening.

>why people like Jessica Jones.
it's a character made to fems and gays

Vagina.

For me, I've tolerated S1 because of a bit of a novelty. You have to get into the mindset of 2015, at the time the only capeshit series with actual superpowers were goofy Flashy in shitty Arrowverse (by that time Arrow lost everyone with its third season and Flash's second season was trash), and Agents of Shield which no one watched before it got good and was far better Inhumans show than Inhumans.

Daredevil has superpowers, but it's mostly acrobatics and his main opponent is just incredibly thicc dude.

Jessica Jones had super powered character as a protagonist against another super powered character played by David Tennant. And it doubled down by adding Luke Cage. Back then I was ready for any SJW bullshit TV series can throw at me, we are seeing fucking Jessica Jones and Luke Cage on screen as she tackles Purple Man, and it's not tongue in cheek, it clearly wants to be taken seriously with MA rating.

The serial killer is probably the most interesting part of S3 for me, because the rest is just that bad.

In IF S1, why did they have a bunch of scenes of Meachum showing enhanced strength after his resurrection and then not have an actual fight with him at the end? What purpose did that serve?

Thing is, I wanted to like Jessica Jones. People at the time just couldn't shut up how good it is and how terrifying Tennant was so I was pretty hyped. Sadly absolutely nothing on the show clicked with me whatsoever.

What purpose served setting up Ukrainian crime boss on Dexter as some Max Payne-tier badass and then kill him off like a bitch? Scott Buck cannot into satisfying conclusions.

Well, did you watch it in 2015? I think that context will be incredibly lost on people who are pretty fucking used to capeshit that isn't afraid to do Doom Patrol on TV.

The hand were the most dull cliche fucking enemies on the face of the earth. I enjoyed dds1 where there was a mix of different type of gangs but after the punisher part of s2 it just felt like every conflict became "oh here's a bunch of ninjas to fight"

I meant fans of Luke cage. The only run of his I liked was the one shot by gendy tarkovsky

But he created Elektra.

Yes, frankly I watched it after Hannibal and True Detective S1 so my standards of what I want from my "dark and gritty" shows were pretty high regardless if it's capeshit or not.

Iron Fist is their Thor yet his not a Hemsworth

They could've at least made him more interesting than just another discount Hannibal Lecter.

Iron Fist felt like 3 different writers that couldn't agree with how the character should be, so they each wrote him differently. Luke Cage also dropped as soon as Cottonmouth died, S2 felt like they swapped writers with Iron Fist, every episode he was teaming up with someone he was trying to kill in the previous episode.

Honestly though all of the shows were mostly carried by their villains.

Daredevil was nice most part of the time.
Punisher was...fine, he didn't need another origin story with the first season, but the second season was nice.

Iron Fist, Danny is a cunt and considering its all about martial arts it has some shitty martial arts.

Luke cage, plain boring

Jessica Jones, this is even more boring than LC. First season was kind of saved by purple man.

Everyone has the same flaw though, they drag during way too many episodes then rush towards a conclusion then they end one or two episodes before the end of the season wich means they drag during one or two more episodes before it ends.

Okay, riddle me this. How the fuck do other shows don't feel so boring and dragged out with pretty much the same amount of episodes?
At this point the issue is not "too many episodes" but "shit and unsatisfying writing"

They didn't have a strong idea of what they really wanted (as seen with lazy writing and aimless plots, a clear symptom that some of these shows were just busywork instead of actually fulfilling any narrative purpose) and then compounding that with doing things on the cheap. Which is especially insulting given that both Marvel and Netflix have plenty of money and they are working with a brand thats arguably the most successful in the world right now, so there just isn't any excuse for them to be pinching pennies.

They might have been able to squeak by even with the above, but what really killed them was the Hand and everything related to it. None of these shows EVER figured out how to make the Hand, magical ninjas with resurrection mojo, cool and interesting . Or at least threatening. The Hand were always the most boring part of whatever show they were involved in, and the inclusion of the Hand in a show is DIRECTLY PROPORTIONAL to how much that show sucked overall (Daredevil S2 was good during the punisher arc, immediately drops in quality when it becomes about Elektra and the hand. Iron Fist and Defenders are entirely about the hand, and are the worst shows in the lineup by a large margin).

Marvel Netflix/Defenders would have been better off with literally any other overarching threat to build up to that was not the Hand.

I'd say the biggest flaw (no it wasn't being non-canon to the MCU, only fucking autists give a fuck about something NOT being connected to a bigger world) was that each season was just a few eps too long which threw off pacing.
How they didn't fix that when it was ALWAYS the biggest complaint, I don't know

If by mixed political messages you mean "niggas gotta work, niggas gotta be there for their kids, niggas gotta stop killing other niggas, niggas gotta take responsibility" rather than more "fuck wypipo" like some wanted, then yeah.

>when a parody of your organization is more threatening and interesting than an incarnation of your organization
I've said it once, I will say it again. It's fucking hilarious how most serious incarnations of TMNT do the "powerful mafia-like organization of ninja assassins" better than Netflix capeshit.

Season 1 is still one of the best comic-related shows ever made. Season 2 is kinda eh, but it has its moments.

Season 2 is carried greatly by Farouk.
Why as a villain he doesn't get respect he deserves I have no idea.

>How they didn't fix that when it was ALWAYS the biggest complaint, I don't know
They tried doing that and Marvel complained, and it's partly what led to the falling out as the later seasons rolled in.

Cottonmouth was so much better than everyone else it was distracting.

boring and corny seems pretty spot on for luke desu ne

Did anyone in The Hand really have a strong personality?

The leadership mostly seemed stoic and had a monotonous way of speaking.

Netflix was perfectly aware of Marvels demands for season length, yet they couldn't write a single season to properly fill that predetermined series length. If it was only one-or-two seasons that suffered from this I'd blame Marvel, but when we're talking about the same problem across 13 seasons then it's entirely on Netflix for continuing on producing scripts that can't fill their timeslot.

And Diamondback was so much worse than everyone else it was distracting.

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I liked all of them.

I thought Yea Forums should have got behind it simply because it was co related.

Co had never been so pandered too by modern media.. the last decade have seen so many adaptations that it should have been amazing.

..the only thing I can think of is how sanic is getting redone because of hedgehog fans..

But our own ineptitude has led to all Yea Forums things getting canned.

Dont forget THE TICK or the thing.

The worst offender was iron fist but I kinda liked it..

The entire plot line just about teased a costume lol.

Hopefully the endeavour made enough money to warrent a future recall.

Also because they are Netflix maybe they will slow burn back into relevance or coolness.

Preacher was cool and so was Happy.

Maybe not Yea Forums related but yes might aswell know.

>All that unnecessary redditspacing

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>Fisk
Why do people make fun of him for being "autistic", but let Kilgrave slide when he's an even bigger sperglord?

It makes it easier to read than wall of text. And it's not like you have a scroll limit.

..

But seriously the end of iron fist was cool.

..Kinda reminded me of The Phantom.

I held off on watching cage for a few seasons and even ended up enjoying that immensely.

I think with a bit of PR and advertising they could still become popular to the casual.

Because he's more confident in his speaking than Fisk is I'm guessing. Fisk seems to mumble and stutter through his speech at times while talking really quiet.

He also had his "rage out" moments.

>what went wrong
-Complete disdain for their comic book roots to the point of open hostility in some cases.
-decompressed stories
-Punisher's family wasn't a random crime

>what went right?
-most of Daredevil
-most of the casting across the board
-Madame Gao

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>Daredevil S2 was good during the punisher arc, immediately drops in quality when it becomes about Elektra and the hand

Daredevil ALWAYS sucks when Elektra shows up.

the bad guys big evil plan was gentrification over and over again

same thing that went wrong with comics
sjws and feminist turning comics from fun entertainment into woke, liberal propaganda about how terrible white men are

People are sleeping on Luke Cage like the second season wasnt the only thing to rival Daredevil's good spots

too many "i'm a loner" types

Matt and Jessica are loners?

Too many episodes. Only one character has any sense of feeling like a comic book. The worst one is making the Hand integral while making them look lame as fuck. Normal ninjas would always be better than assorted thugs.l

Only daredevil wasn’t ashamed of being a superhero show

Why are all castlefags just as annoying as doomfags?

That's one of things that presently surprised me, they tried to show flaws in black community instead of blame whitey boogaloo 2. The gangster family drama was really solid and the rivalry between the Stokes and Bushmaster's people was cool too.

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Neo-Punisher is absolutely fine, there's no way they can do full on cold-blooded serial murderer punisher without losing the plot or just making him goofy.
Daredevil S1 > Punisher S1 > Luke Cage S1 > Punisher S2 > Daredevil S2 > everything else, the rest aren't worth watching.
They seriously fucked up Iron Fist though

The Punisher would have to be quite a bit more episodic.

Both seasons of The Punisher added the nuance lacking in the comics, and took an angle that reflects our times.

Vince D'Onofrio as Kingpin is 11/10 though

Luke Cage is better when he's just a fairly normal if a bit goofy black buff guy thrown into incredibly over-the-top superhero shenanigans. Just seeing a superhero show that plays out like Do The Right Thing isn't very interesting.

DD s3 > DD s1 > SS s2 >>>>>>> Defenders >/= IF s1 >/= LC s2 > Punisher = JJ s1 = IF s2 > LC s1

Didn’t watch JJ s2 or 3 lol

I love your dedication to this bait everyone usually ignores.

>DD is good and everyone gets cocky
>only the first half of LC was good but everyone had to claim it was the best capeshit ever
>JJ is decent enough but everyone has to act like social relevance and muh womyn makes it amazing
>Iron Fist is lambasted by half Caucasian Asians for not changing the source material
>defenders comes out and everyone uses that to express the complaints they'd had that built up for two years of fellating mediocre television cause diversity.
Simple as.

Lol

>unironically shilling Reddit opinions.
DC are gods acting like men and Marvel are men acting like gods and all that right??

This except Iron Fist was actually terrible. The Defenders was just "alright" but if half the cast weren't dead weight it'd be much better.

>Didn’t watch JJ s2 or 3 lol
Good choice.
As much as I dislike Kilgrave, Gregory "rejected Dexter villain of the week" Salinger is much worse.

What? Maybe stop projecting your obsession with Reddit on everything you read.

Don't you mean 12 weeks?

Too ambitious. Look at the Arrowverse world building. Arrow did well so in S2 they set up the Flash. When that went well they set up Legends. Then brought in Supergirl. They didn’t suddenly shit out 6 superhero shows and just assume audiences would follow them. Should have just started with Daredevil, and work their way from there. And yes I am using the CW as a “what they should have done.” Cuz it’s still around, and marvel Netflix ain’t.

Everything was fine.... Luke Cage and Iron Fist were both lackluster, likely because they were literally designed in the comics as a buddy-cop duo, and were cast individually... also they cast someone who couldn't stage-fight as Iron fist and didn't have the balls to just put him in the mask so they could use as stunt double so they had a wuxia-inspired show with shitty fight scenes. Other than that Cage and Fist though, the whole things was genuinely good as a whole, it's just Disney wants to promote their own streaming service, but these shows had contracts with Netflix, so they were doomed due to suit contract nonsense.

You're supposed to have a substantial portion of the show being the backstory and motivations of the primary antagonist.
DareDevil did this perfectly.
Luck Cage came the closest to following that example.
Jessica should have had a lot more about The Purple Man early on and instead it all just seemed really ass-loaded.
Same goes for The Punisher, Rawlins just really didn't get enough characterization.
Iron-fist was the worst because the villain kept changing every few episodes and because of that none of them could be highly substantial.
The worst part about it was that Danny never really beat any of them, they either get done in by someone else or fuck off.

They should have quit when they were ahead.

So after DDs1?

Fisk is just more fun to parody.

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>menacing reggae music plays in the distance

daredevil was great when it wasn't doing hand bullshit, bullseye in s4 would have been fucking amazing
jj was carried by tennant, s2 was garbage and i've no interest in s3
cage was carried by cottonmouth and bushmaster. you could have cut luke out of s2 and had a much better show
iron fist was just bad in every way, but proved that ward's are always the best part of the mcu
punisher wasn't punisher, frank was better handled in dd s2

Why did they think making Jigsaw and Fisk giant crybabies was a good idea? All they did was constantly whine that life wasn't fair. Nobody wants to see that.

Also I never saw Iron Fist or Jessica Jones so I don't know how good or bad they were.

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Ha ha, wow. I was so happy that Claire stopped shitting up Luke Cage S2 with her lectures that I didn't even stop to think that it was her last appearence period.
But yeah, Turk had a fun arc. Though for some reason he was running guns in Iron Fist S2. Did that just take place before he went legit or something?

Madame Gao was kinda interesting, but she wasn't even in The Hand until they slapped her in there in Iron Fist, and then they ruined her completely by making her subserviant to Weaver's character in Defenders.

>Nothing wrong with Daredevil.
>Punisher S1 was alright, but S2 missed the character completely.
>Luke Cage dipped in quality when Diamondback showed up.
>JJ was uninteresting outside of Tennant.
>Iron Fist action was dreadful and had a stunt guy that clearly was not the lead.

CW doesn't cancel anything until at least 70% of the cast, including the lead, say "Okay, I've had enough. This show is dragging on way too long." They're not a fair comparison.
Legends of Tomorrow wouldn't have lasted 2 seasons anywhere else.

>I never saw Iron Fist or Jessica Jones so I don't know how good or bad they were.
they were fucking shit

Josahandry Lia

Dardevil was definitely the best of the bunch, only season 2 kind of stumbled. Jessica Jones was mostly good but the bloated episode count really made the main plot meander for no reason. Luke Cage started off strong but they killed off Cottonmouth way too early and Diamondback wasn't a good replacement. Iron Fist was just mediocre all around, focused way too much on the stupid business crap and not nearly enough on the kung fu. Danny's actor wasn't very good either and sucked at fighting. The Defenders was too clumsy as a crossover and everyone was tired of the Hand by that point. Bernthal killed it as the Punisher, the problem is that they focused way too much on the military/CIA conspiracy rather than actually have Frank kill criminals, not to mention the pointless retread on Frank's origin when they had already gone through it on Daredevil. Really, the main problem with all these shows is that the episode count was too long. They really should have trimmed the fat and have a tighter main plot rather than let it sort of fizzle out in the later third or so.

Don't forget
>Want to build up to a big crossover
>Don't have ANY of the crews communicate with each other AT ALL

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Kilgrave was normal, believable autistic. Kingpin was so autistic in everything he did it was consistently hilarious.

One of the best parts of season 3 is when Dex is about to kill himself, doesn't go through with it, then he gets a phone call.
He picks it up and Fisk immediately starts one of his stories with no preamble whatsoever.

Season 2's plot might be a bit sloppy but overall it probably had more great moments than the first season.
youtube.com/watch?v=hIIjCNFS5Wg

Objective list based on response outside of Yea Forums:

DD SE1 > DD SE3 > Luke Cage SE1 > Luke Cage SE2 > DD SE2 First half > Jessica Jones SE 1 > Punisher SE2 > Punisher SE1 >Jessica Jones SE 2 > DD SE2 Second Half > Defenders > Iron Fist SE2 > Iron Fist SE1

Just do what Punisher MAX did, make it episodic instead of serial.

>Splitting DDs2
>Not splitting LCs1
The second half of LCs1 was almost on the level of Iron Fist s1

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>The second half of LCs1 was almost on the level of Iron Fist s1
They were so bad it killed my enthusiasm for Defenders. Those two lead actors are no bueno.

>Punisher SE2
I somehow managed to make it through Iron Fist but I still haven't finished this damned thing. I just stopped when I realized I didn't actually care about any of the non-Frank characters.