Is there a worse avatar than kyoshi?

I haven’t kept up with the comics, but did they make her a lesbian too?

Sozin hadn't started the war yet and Avatars don't have clairvoyance unless they're riding high on swamp gas.

Bisexual
Which makes her keeping a personal cohort of athletic teenage girls a little suspect

She undid basically all of Wan's work and the world is paying the price for it.

She really didn't do much directly.
Only reason she beat Amon was because the gig was up as soon as his make-up came off.
Unalaq was only beaten by deus ex jinora, only after her incompetence got every prior avatar erased from the wheel of reincarnation (and lets not overlook that it was as much Unalaq who's to thank/blame for the portals getting opened)
She completely failed against the Lotus in every way, did fuck all to help hold the EK together afterwards.

Her most impactful accomplishments are really not meritorious

>The largest feet of any Avatar

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You must mean "is there a best avatar than Kyoshi", right? And the answer to that question is no.

As for the worst avatar, it's obviously Korra. She's the ultimate Mary Sue.

better*, not best, obviously; sorry, I'm tired

>Ignored Chin the Conqueror and his bloody campaign
>Only intervened when it become personally inconvenient to her
>Killed him after he’d conquered most of the EK, thus creating a power vacuum which lead to a peasant’s uprising
>Put down the peasant revolt and reinstalled the previous Earth King who had already proved a weak leader which lead to the crisis in the first place
>Installed the Dai Li to ruthlessly enforce her law, turning Ba Sing Se into an oppressive police state
Kyoshi is unironically a terrible Avatar

>forgetting that after she installed the Dai Li she left created an island for herself and her people away from the EK

Korra is like the inverse of a Mary Sue, all she does is fuck up and she's straight retarded. She's not even good at bending, she gets clowned by basically everyone else in the series.

Name one Avatar that did more harm to future generations of Avatars than Korra.

Kyoshi herself. But a lot of Avatars were pretty bad at their job.

fire bending doesn't just create fire, it creates thrust. every firebender is a walking rocket engine.

In terms of utility air bending > earth bending > fire bending > water bending
In terms of combat earth bending = fire bending > air bending > water bending

Air and earth are both op as fuck.

Chin The Conquer literally did nothing wrong.

Pissing off the one person who could hand him and his army their ass was pretty retarded.
Especially given that she clearly gave zero shits about what he was doing until it impacted her

That would be hard enough even if she wasn't resonsible for erasing the existence of every avatar before her and thus the centuries of acculmulated wisdom they're meant to draw on.

I would like to see the next Avatar after Korra.

Water >>> Earth >>>>>>>>> Air >>>> Fire

>air bending is the best, fire is the worst
>all nations conquered by fire benders, air nomads literally annihilated by them
Dumb savages

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This.
Not any bias against her either. It takes a special kind of shitty to break the avatar cycle itself.

The next Avatar is going to have the problem of having the spirit of chaos growing from inside him thanks to Korra.
Every generation of avatars after her is going to be a coin toss on whatever the most powerful Bender in the world is going to be good or evil.

pederasty is historically accurate

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Yep

>I would like to see the next Avatar after Korra.
Does that mean the setting would be based around the early 2000s, since Korra's setting already had cars and machinery and shit.

Don’t forget the spirit world got merged so koh the face stealer and other eldritch horrors are crawling around everywhere

She was at least competent.
Korra did a lot of bad things out of incompetence or simple bad judgment.

She was a good Avatar but a bad person. Her actions led to further cementing the Earth Kingdom's social structure more so than it was before while making it incapable of decisive action, as the Dai Li were fundamentally interested in maintaining the Status Quo. Shin the Conqueror and Kuvira both showed that once that ball get's rolling it becomes very difficult to stop.

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FPBP

What do you expect from a watercuck? Korra was also a chump

more like 1950s
you could do an outerspace bit, i guess.

>Don’t forget the spirit world got merged so koh the face stealer and other eldritch horrors are crawling around everywhere
Which they could already freely do as Wan Shi Tong moved his library from the Earth Kingdom back to the Spirit World without any help from a celestial event.

I thought she didn't break the cycle, just so goddamn shitty she's not in the cycle.

But we now every spirit can go as they please and fuck people up. Like they did back when humans could only live in top of turtles.

Imagine being the next Avatar, and all you have to call to for help is fucking Korra and her ghost starts berating you for being straight.

Jesus, how come Korra was such a retroactive bad character for the original series.

A better question, was there any Avatar other than Aang that wasn't a complete fuck up in any way?

I honestly think Aang was the only bastard that actually did his job as Avatar without fucking up royally in any way.

Why does Yea Forums keep berating her for NOT being straight?

>Go suck a dick
>Hey screw you Korra I might have messed up but it's not like-
>No I mean literally drop everything you're doing, and have oral sex with another man, young Avatar

Because fags are gay

user: the last strawbender

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>be next Avatar
>earthbender roots, having trouble with airbending
>have airbending Master Jinora teach you the ropes
>still having some troubles
>Jinora passingly mentions the previous avatar had problems learning Airbending too, but managed to master it.
>remember from ancient scrolls they forced you to read that you can meditate and contact the previous avatars.
>wonder why she never brought it up
>wonder why she doesn't consider doing it
>immediately start meditating while Jinora isn't paying attention, trying to figure out what to do
>you successfully call the previous avatar, Korra to you from the other side
>"Oh cool I-"
>you notice master Jinora is startled and looking back and forth between you and the previous Avatar
>"I am avatar Korra, young-"
>she stares at you
>master Jinora keeps waving her flattened, horizontal palm under her head at you from behind Avatar Korra
>"-which pronoun do you wish to be referred to as?"
>you catch a glimpse of master Jinora astral projecting the fuck out of there

I would legitimately watch 4 seasons of a male avatar trying to unfuck the world while Korra constantly tries to stop him by taking over using the Avatar state.

>Her devotion to her duty as the Avatar ushered in prolonged period of peace, as no threats of war occurred for an entire generation after her death.
>Despite being raised by the Air Nomads and understanding their respect for all life, Yangchen put pacifism aside to fulfill her duties, believing that the goal of protecting the world and human emotions justified the means. She was consequently willing to deal with criminals if this prevented bloodshed. Although the Air Nomads tought separation from the physical realm, she believed that the Avatar can never do this because their sole duty is to the world.

yang chen was based.

Aang, Korra would have been better if she relearned every element instead of getting her bending back.

>Has the ability to restore all the past lives in the spirit world
>lol no I don’t want to
What the fuck is her problem.

How is aang worse?

Korra, hands down. No prior avatar fucked up and broke the avatar state. Now it's just a useless power-up and the only person to give advice to the next avatar is korra, the worst avatar.

>Although the Air Nomads tought separation from the physical
why did they accept homosexuality then?

>even with the power up she lost to kuvira
What an absolute joke of an avatar

same reason they made tasty fruit pies instead of eating bread for every meal

Technically Korra is the best Avatar, you know, since she destroyed all the others.

>the only person to give advice to the next avatar is korra, the worst avatar.
This is the biggest yikes. it didn't matter who the first avatar was because the avatar state had thousands of years of experience built in. Now that's gone for thousands of years because dumbfuck korra didn't use it.

almost as if the writers were just saying things without thinking about them...

korra might live 200+ years like kyoshi at least. plenty of time to become not a dumbass

Pretty much this. I believe that the scenario created by Korra is among the most fucked up ever and the life of the new avatar would be anything but easy.

/thread

it just means they place little importance in worldly possessions and devote much of their time to the spirits, user. denying yourself pleasure for no real reason has never been in character for them.

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Imagine if the next avatar died a baby. The next avatar would have Korra and a baby to call on for guidance.
Imagine the baby taking over during an avatar state.

I'll destroy the avatar line again and have it start with me

And some firebenders are electricity generators.
It's pretty powerful.
If lightning itself could be bent more easily, like how lightning itself went from elite move to something fairly normal over time then magnetism could be bent.

The next time Avatar State triggers, Korra has the current avatar undergo a sex change and hormone treatment.

So what you're saying is Unalaq is the best Avatar?

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I think avatar Bei-Bi might be the wiser one of the two to follow from.

He also died at a very young age of like 30 so it's theorized he either died of sickness, died in battle (unlikely since it was peace times) or he killed himself due to his failure.

On a narrative level, a declared hostility between the new Avatar and Korra would be fun to watch. Even if Korra is no longer a retarded and maybe Off screen has begun to unfuck the world competently at the beginning it would take a lot of effort to earn the respect of the new Avatar . It would be fun and interesting even as an attempt to rehabilitate Korra in the eyes of the viewer.

But nope. I think the saga is pretty dead.

Fire has an enormous destructive power but Air and Earth appear more well rounded, perhaps thanks to the inventiveness of some characters.

when korra dies there should be 2 avatars; chaos and order that split the 4 elements randomly and gotta work together

>it's theorized he either died of sickness, died in battle (unlikely since it was peace times) or he killed himself due to his failure.
He died getting lost in the Spirit World after Koh stole his fiance’s face

She accomplished the most harm to the world and the people living in it.

>annihilated air nomads while having ten times the number of men
ftfy and wasn't their leader found surrounded by corpses?

all all seriousness, i wonder how young the youngest avatar died.

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Competent at what
Completely fucking up politics when she finally take action, if she even take any, and creating problems every time she does so that end up messing with Aang two generation after

Is everyone just forgetting that bumi could pseudo teleport by falling into the earth

kyoshi didnt murder the avatar cycle soooooooo...

>wasn’t their leader found dead
Yep just like every other aircuck

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with bloodbending, healing, and freezing, and a connection to the moon, they made waterbending too OP

Fire can't beat water objectively. They only were able to conquer the water tribes because they had weapons/ships and a huge amount of troops. Air also were peaceful nomads not really trained in fighting but fire can at least take that one on.

Bloodbending is even more rare than lightning bending and before korra could only be done on a full moon

water is 70% of the planet so that makes sense at least
water tribe maritime empire could be a cool concept.

Except in that case it makes sense.

>fire can’t beat water objectively
>fire nation objectively beat water in canon
It took the avatar getting boosted by avatar state and moon god powers to stop the fire nation fleet at their weakest, fire is objectively the strongest in combat, not to mention the fire nation easily outpaces all others in tech

>fire is the strongest because the fire nation navy shits on everything
really makes you think huh, well you're probably finding hard to think because you're currently being deprived of oxygen courtesy of air bending.

Weird how air nation doesn’t exist anymore when they are so much stronger than fire benders, almost as if air bending is weak

came here to say this

She was monstrously powerful and basically every time she acted she did it by killing. Even Korra would have avoided a lot of problems if it was immediately strong enough to obliterate every enemy Still, I don't think that kyoshi was a good Avatar, but if one looks at the story, Avatars that have worked well are three at best.

Aang, Wan and Yang.
And then we have to understand what the role of an Avatar really is, because blocking any potential conflict means freezing the world in a status quo which may not even be right.

Apart from Aang, that we know he have worked well because we have seen his whole journey, we do not know how complicated the life of the other Avatars has been. Wan certainly did not face the same difficulties as Aang, but neither did the same difficulties as Korra.

kyoshi have lived long, but have her ever faced someone on the same level as Zaheer, Ozai or Amon?

I wish Netflix rebooted Korra with a live action remake instead of the original series just for the slight chance of fixing it's problems and having writers who actually an idea where they want to go with the show.

>Netflix live action reboot
>fixing things

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man, i never realized how interesting the lore for this series is. really works well with my interest in asian history too.

series of unfortunate events wasn't a bad elaboration on the source except that school shit

I find weird that Roku, Kyoshi, Yangchen and Aang are venerated as deities, with statues around the world, cults and shit but all avatars prior them are forgotten.
Its because they did a shitty job and nothing memorable in their lifetimes? or maybe they are replaced from popular culture as new avatars raise.

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Isn’t there a temple with statues of like every single avatar since forever? My guess is just the amount of time that’s passed combined with the crazy shit those avatars did

Yangchen was the best at her job. She stopped a bunch of shit before it even happened and defeated an kaiju-sized spirit.

Kyoshi literally created an entire island so no matter what, she's going to be remembered forever.

The fire nation probably lied about Roku stand in the war as propaganda. They probably said that he supported the fire nation (since he never stopped them). So, as the last fire nation avatar, he was recognized as the one true avatar or some shit.

Aang did his job...100 years to late.

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Yep, but thats the avatar temple. It doesn't it matter if you were the suckiest avatar ever, theres going to be a statue of you there.

Roku is also remembered because he was the avatar directly before aang and before aang was discovered the last one as well

Yeah but he's not only remembered, he was a gold statue in the avatar temple. A huge gold statue that doens't look like you can simply replace with another when a new avatar comes out.

perhaps those avatars had statues and temples, but they rotted away with time. or i can imagine fire nation would have an interest in discouraging or wrecking them.

No, it's broken. The Raava within Korra was extracted and slain, and with it the spirits of the previous Avatars. A new Raava was borne later, making Korra the first of the second cycle, but the previous spirits are dead forever now.

>A huge gold statue that doens't look like you can simply replace with another when a new avatar comes out.
maybe they can reshape the metal over months with firebending and special tongs.

not dead, just cut off. toph is a reincarnation of a guy roku knew and she had no connection to the avatar.

They probably wanted to use the "reconnection" plot another season or a comic.

Almost like having vastly more soldiers and a massive technological advantage can make up for a lot of things.

>fire can at least take that one on
They purposefully waited for Sozin's Comet

Earthbending > all
>build fortifications at a moment's notice
>lob giant boulders at people (good luck deflecting that)

>comet makes firebenders OP
>eclipse covering the sun removes firebending
>full moon makes waterbenders hax
what other natural events might change bending

>Korra
>constantly faces benders comparable to, or stronger than, Ozai
>brings an entire nation back from the brink
>had to develop on the job because her dad and co. fucked up her development period by keeping her locked up
>responds to every situation she comes across

>meanwhile Roku
>gets an extremely easy life no known threats since he came after Kyoshi
>sees Sozin has no intention of listening to him, goes ahead with colonies and is obviously unhinged...lets him off with a slap on the wrist
>dies to a volcano like a TOTAL scrub, S1 Aang was stopping volcanos casually, could have easily just left with his flying dragon. His death plunged the world into a hundred years of darkness and he rightfully blames himself.
>has the GALL to lecture Jeong-Jeong about responsibility

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i want korra and roku to have interaction now.

you think earthquakes make earthbenders weaker

Korra got trained from birth by master benders and on top of that she jobbed to every master bender she faced

I want kyoshi to step on me with her massive earthbender feet

It's exactly the point I wanted to emphasize. Some Avatars had an easy life, compared to all the shit that Aang and Korra had to handle.

Most avatars don't reach avatar status until around Aang's age. Korra was an anomaly as she tapped into the other elements WAY earlier than she should've been able to. With that being said it stands to reason if a child dies before they awaken their avatar abilities it is basically as if they didn't die as avatars at all.

Even if you don't bite that head canon, Aang was the youngest when he was believed dead at 12.

an earthquake is a release of energy into the earth, so perhaps it makes them stronger but less able to control their bending?

>if a child dies before they awaken their avatar abilities it is basically as if they didn't die as avatars at all.
that's an interesting take. although the test for avatars was to pick out the correct set of toys, so maybe it is done young.

god, i want to rewatch this but i have work. i might rewatch this. it's giving me the old excitement.

By the time Vaatu is strong enough to be a match with Raava the Avatar will be completely and utterly outclassed by technology.

>although the test for avatars was to pick out the correct set of toys, so maybe it is done young.
That is for finding the avatar among air nomads. Every nation had their own test for finding the avatar.

>evil avatar in avatar state is doing their evil laugh spiel on a raised platform in front of a whole city, completely sure of their superiority
>gets popped in the head by a sniper's bullet
>everyone continues going about their day
Shame snipers didn't exist in TLoK.

do we know that? do we know of any other "test" a nation does to determine who is the Avatar? oddly with Roku the Fire Sages just came up to him one day, when he was in his mid-late teens, and told him he's the Avatar so I guess the presumption is they had a vision or some such?

what about the archers in the frog eating episode

Best Avatar was Air Bender Yangchen
>Yangchen was the Air Nomad Avatar succeeding a Fire Nation Avatar and preceding Avatar Kuruk. After mastering all the elements in her youth, she was eager to make a difference in the world despite her inexperience. A respected figure, she was hailed for her wisdom, determination and power. Although the Air Nomads were perceived to be pacifistic people, Yangchen was feared for her fierce willingness in doing whatever was required to perform her duties as the Avatar - maintain balance and peace throughout the world. Due to her devotion, no threats of war occurred for an entire generation after her death.

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>Korra went full Griffith and didn't even get a castle out of it
Oh I am laffin

My brother.

Ignoring that vaatu isn’t the only hostile spirit out there, kaiju avatar seemed pretty much immune to all conventional attacks, so unless you want to drop a nuke or something on a major city I’d say it’s still a threat. Plus avatar state being able to make hurricanes and split continents would still be a force to be reckoned with in modern day

Did Yangchen conspire with Koh in the Spirit World to lure and kill Kuruk?

Dude she almost died to that fucking giant robot. And kaiju avatar isnt something she can do willy nilly. The avatar is obsolete the minute guns and missiles are invented.

Supersonic turn-your-torso-into-red-mist bullets > faggot ass spiked twigs

I was talking about evil avatar kaiju form, and that giant robot was so retardedly advanced it would be a threat to anyone. Korra might have been weak as shit but previous avatars could cause insane natural disasters that could fuck over a modern army easily

Guns would have been invented at this point but the Avatar-verse is completely sidestepping that development. Without weaponry that's massively faster than any human could react to, the Avatar State will forever be one of the most dangerous entities on the planet. The Colossus is pretty unique; outfitted with platinum armor and spirit weapons, I doubt the world will see something like that again and even if it does the Avatar will probably just handle it again.

no she had made a deal with another powerfull spirit called Old Iron
>General Old Iron is a giant humanoid spirit who protected Lady Tienhai during the era of Raava. After his friend passed away centuries later, he went on a rampage against the people that caused Tienhai's death though relented after having struck a deal with Avatar Yangchen. In 102 AG, Old Iron rose again and threatened to destroy the city when the land had been defiled by humans and his old armor being stolen. After being vanquished by Avatar Aang, he permanently left the shore surrounding the Earth Kingdom city, frustrating with the idea that humans only sought to dominate

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>Wan flashback shows spirits fucked up humans all the time for shits and giggles
>Korra decides that, after seeing all of that,the best course of action is to merge the two worlds
What the FUCK was her problem?

>The avatar is obsolete the minute guns and missiles are invented.

It's not at a bad premise for a new saga, not at all. However, an Avatar at his full potential in Full "Magneto mode" in a wolrd full of technological thing and metal remains pretty much at the top of the food chain.

Korra was extremely weak in the fourth season, but Aang or Kyoshi would probably have taken it down that robot quite easily.

>comparing the protagonists of a shark-jumped-series against a mentor type character that had to fail to set up the arc of his series protagonist

are you high?

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she is retarded and became even more stupid after getting hit in the head too many times + the mercury poisoning

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You don’t even need to look at wans past when you have fuckers like koh around.

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We are discussing about the various Avatars have achieved. It's fucking obvious that anything before Aang exists "narrative" just to justify the protagonist's challenges.

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oh right silly me, obviously Roku shouldn't count in a "who's the worst Avatar" discussion

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Im just saying that characters are there to tell a story, they have their role to play and that will shape what they have done, can do and will do.

To compare a protagonist and a non protagonist, even in universe is not fair because one is less important to that universe by definition

Europeans when?

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Based

Aang's moral dilemma bullshit. Sorry baldy, you stopped being an airfag the second you became Avatar, your own conscience and sense of morality no longer applies.

fpbp

Aangs arc is fucked because he has not one but two examples of what should be moments of consequence being undone because of plot.

>If you leave now you will never be able to go into the avatar state again!
>Lol jk never mind getting hit by a rock unlocked your god powers anyway sorry
>I don’t know what to do! My upbringing and morals won’t allow me to kill but the fire lord is seemingly so evil he will never change his ways or stop his ambitions, it looks like I’m going to have to develop or change in some way to work this issue out
>Nah never mind fuck that here you magically out of no where have the ability to remove his super powers problem solved! Turn off that pesky character development.

>If you leave now you will never be able to go into the avatar state again!
who knew a star wars plotpoint doesn't work outside of star wars

Star Wars didn’t invent and doesn’t own any plot points user.

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it's obviously inspired by the scene in the 2nd star wars movie, though.

And fun fact, all this bullshit is what led to the EK being weak enough to be invaded y Sozin in the first place

Kiyoshi a shit.

Actually pretty much every avatar aside from Aang and Yangchen failed miserably in some way or another.

The very IDEA of the Avatar cycle is just Wan respawnung after he keeps fuckimg it up.

there's literally no good end for any avatar. every action and inaction has consequences.

It has that thing in common but the situations aren’t exactly 1-1 in terms of what how they worked out or what was probably supposed to happen. Luke didn’t just get his powers from a total ass pull when he needed to in the confrontation. He had to go on with the consequences of abandoning his training prematurely.

>Mfw I realize AppaxMomo was the original Skitty on Wailord Action

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>And fun fact, all this bullshit is what led to the EK being weak enough to be invaded y Sozin in the first place
I guess Kyoshi wasn't entirely useless after all if she allowed based Fire Nation to make technology not made entirely of sticks, canvas and spit.

booter-freak's comics were my jam back in the day

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>Nah never mind fuck that here you magically out of no where have the ability to remove his super powers problem solved! Turn off that pesky character development.

I give you that. it was embarrassing.

I think I'd have even just preferred the whole "Hero shows mercy but villain gets his own dick ass killed" shtick. Leave the question dangling if he was right or not.

Slowpoke me, they are pretty good.

fpbp and /thread

God it pissed me off when a spirit is shown mutilating (and killing? don't remember) a dude for shits and giggles and no one gives a fuck. Wasn't the spirit who did Wan's buddy or am I misremembering?

a lot of fanartists came out with some really fun stuff back then. like that 400 page zhao comic someone did.

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Some spirits threw Tenzin and co. into that fog to suffer forever because they were a mild annoyance. Spirits are completely fucked up.

>400 page Zhao comic
Redpill me nigguh

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deviantart.com/noselfcontrol/art/Water-Tribe-001-69837313
i remember it being pretty good, but i read it a long time ago.

>Is there a worse avatar than kyoshi?

Korra got beat up by a bum off the street, and not to mention literally ruined the avatar cycle.

Korra did nothing of note, and if you like her you should be embarrassed.

The artist was actually a storyboarder on ATLA Book 1 and she husbando’d Zhao something fierce. I think she drew the “Zhao’s seal of approval” thing too

kek

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Which Avatar would be the best in bed?

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hmm, kuruk liked to fuck, but kyoshi had 100 years in which to practise

Yangchen definitely, she was perfect at everything, which includes taking dick, plus she was a member of the air tribe who are canon sex freaks

>she probably knew how to do everything in the Kama Sutra
>she was probably into Erotic asphyxiation and did the shit that Zaheer did that to her many lovers

aint nobody gonna say it but you right user, you right

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>To compare a protagonist and a non protagonist, even in universe is not fair because one is less important to that universe by definition
But is that necessarily true? There are stories where the most powerful or the most interesting or the most influential characters have already had their impact on the world / setting. A protagonist doesnt necessarily have to be more important to the universe as a whole, just maybe more important at a very specific moment in that universe's timeline.

Not sure if this is the best example but if i am correct here it will work fine, Frodo wasnt the most important person in the history of Middle Earth, but at the moment his story takes place you could say much of the world revolved around him. However that doesnt mean his actions were felt more than some of the characters who came before him and shaped the lore of the universe. This also applies to side characters and such. A protagonist doesnt need to be the most important or even necessarily have to have the most to do, some other character in the background could be off doing just as or even more important things.

Why did aang need to master the elements to beat ozai? Ozai is just a master fire Bender and aang already a master airbender

Something something Sozin's Comet.

That reminds me, how strong was sozin normally? Zuko and Azula didn’t seem to be boosted that much by the comet, but that fucker was taking on the avatar and flying around the place like a rocket

>Zuko and Azula didn’t seem to be boosted that much by the comet
yeah right, their flames were way huger than usual
Sozin's Comet gives a fuck ton boost no clue how powerful Ozai* is normally

I dont know if he was practicing under conditions to get a special boost or he has some hidden Royalty Bonus during Sozin's Comet that lets him get extra juice but while he did seem to be getting the most ridiculous benefit Azula and Zuko were still generating enormous clouds of fire during their Agni Kai.

>Zuko and Azula didn’t seem to be boosted that much by the comet
Right.

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Maybe I’m just remembering wrong because azula got clowned by a waterbender in like 2 seconds

Your right, I hadn’t seen it in a while

>I dont know if he was practicing under conditions to get a special boost or he has some hidden Royalty Bonus during Sozin's Comet that lets him get extra juice
nah that's just because Ozai's natural talent + Sozin's Comet = ridiculous firebending, he's basically a younger Iroh

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>Babytar takes over during an avatar state
>The sheer unadulterated emotional force of a disgruntled newborn child with the powers of a god

Terrifying desu

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/thread
Bitch fucking killed the avatar cycle with her incompetence. I'd hate to be the next in line for the title and only having fucking Whorra as a mentor.

If you do the opposite of whatever she tells you to do, you'll probably be fine

>The artist was actually a storyboarder on ATLA Book 1
So... the opposite of Zuke or whatever her name was who worked on Steven Universe?

She's got the most plot armor that's for sure.
Amon should've won because airbending does not work that way goddamit.

fpbp

She experienced Wans entire life and then thought it was a good idea to mix humans and spirits

From what I can see the comet's power boost only lasts a short time. This implies that the Fire Nation was able to mobilize at least 4 armies across the earth nation to simultaneously attack each of the air temples. First I don't believe that any nations at peace would allow another to move multiple armed forces through their land. Second this implies that the Air Nomads were defeated in under an hour, when we have seen the gang defend an air temple rather well with a bunch of non-benders back in season 1. Also at the time the blimps weren't invented, so the only method of attack the fire nation would have had is using their tanks to scale the mountains and be sitting ducks to the air benders.

kyoshi messed around with plate tectonics and created an island

A shame aang was a cuck and got a cop out instead of facing his problem head on

Katara was the creator's pet. She ruins a lot of things but ruining Zuko's climactic moment because she was standing around like a retard pisses me off the most

>The next avatar will only have Korra to get advice from
That's gonna suck

Seriously if it had just ended with zuko redirecting the lightning back at azula it would have been much better, Katara beating azula is already a huge stretch, Katara beating comet boosted Azula should have been impossible

Katara felt really shoehorned into that whole battle desu. Katara as far as I can remember had no real beef with Azula so why she had to be the one to defeat her and not Zuko is just do damn stupid and forced.

Didnt Azula kill her boyfriend / future husband?

Nah zuko survived the lightning

>water low tier
>gets powered up at night
>can pull out of thing air or plants so source isn't an issue
>plant manipulation
>blood bending
>healing
>ice manipulation
water is easily the most useful

>Katara was the creator's pet.
Without a doubt. Sokka and Tophs final big moments were fighting random foot soldiers meanwhile Katara of all people gets to fight and defeat a powered up Azula. They could have had her just be with Sokka and them but no they needed her to steal Zuko's moment.

Isn’t it difficult to pull enough water out of most environments to fight with? Katara has to carry water with her and in every fight most water benders have to draw on rivers or other natural sources. Also before korra bloodbending could only be used on a full moon and only like 2 people knew about it

They're literally all the same retard reincarnating and causing problems over and over again.

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>the worst Avatars are women

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The best avatars are also women

>korra is basically fanfiction
>aang isn't
i saved you having to write out all that shit. it doesn't matter what korra did or didn't do, even roku was more of an actual character than her, and in many ways was far more of a character than her due to the fact he was more complex than just:
>DEAL WITH IT

faggot the korra defender

why didnt aang just master fire bending, that way he can also benefit from the sozins comet

beat fire with fire right?

someone ships azula and zhao too

Imagine you're the next avatar and you access the avatar state for the first time, likely under stress or because you're close to death and the only thing you get is Korra. The first few avatars would have a handicap simply because she'd be recent enough to have a voice. Seriously, what's with her show making so many intense decisions and not fully expanding upon them?

I always believed that keeping the spirit portals open so the humans and spirits will have to co-exist was a foolish idea and the last season demonstrated why I was correct in my assessment. It allowed one of the most dangerous organizations to return from the brink of death, paved the way for humans to discover a new energy source they used to create a WMD, and fostered a conflict between spirits and humans that hasn't existed in literally centuries.

There was no reconciliation. One scene that is a testament to Korra's mistake of allowing the portals to exist is when Korra asked the spirits for help, the spirits reject. The sole intention Korra had for allowing the spirit portals to exist was to foster a camaraderie between humans and spirits that would have them work together to defend the new world they live in.

It didn't happen. The spirits bailed on Korra, despite the fact that the WMD was powered by spirit vines, a product of the spirits. Now humans and spirits despise each other just line Wan's time and seriously hamper the quality of life of the other just by inhabiting the same space. It's only a matter of time before the spirits and humans wage war on each other.

And it's all Korra's fault because she blindly allowed her feelings to control her actions without considering the consequences, neglecting to see how different cultures of two completely different species would usually end up fighting each other due to their differences.

God I love Korra's outfit.

... I... what? You're not telling me Korra spirit killed all the past avatars, right? Even uncle Iroh is "alive" in the spirit world, so wouldn't what shes done have been beyond murder in a sense, also does everyone that has ever died get to basically come back? I'm gonna be honest, I never watched Korra but I liked Aang, and wouldn't like such a shitty ending for him.

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Once again, fpbp.

>You're not telling me Korra spirit killed all the past avatars, right
Well, her Evil Uncle actually, in Book 2.

>And it's all Korra's fault because she blindly allowed her feelings to control her actions without considering the consequences, neglecting to see how different cultures of two completely different species would usually end up fighting each other due to their differences.
She asked Tenzin (Mr. Spiritual) and he was okay with it. Even Jinora said it was a good move.

its a miracle korra and her gang havent encountered inherently hostile spirits already

Wrong.

Korra, easily. No matter how bad all the previous avatars got, none of them fucked up so bad that they restarted the avatar cycle to square one.

I agree, but we must be honest with Korra. She was badly advised by people who, supposedly, should have been wiser than her. The age of Korra, with its industrial revolution, is an extremely cynical time that would have needed an Avatar like kyoshi someone brutally efficient and selfish enough not to be manipulated by the illusion of good intentions.

Aang too would have had problems in Korra's time, and Aang was protected by several plot armors and deus ex , allow him to remain faithful to his convictions.

Because there's no way he'd be able to make up for Ozai's decades of bending experience in under a year.

it doesnt really matter if aang had experience or not since theres the avatar state

avatar state + sozins comet = ozai btfo
also it would be pretty cool if aang gave ozai a scar too just like zukos, maybe permanently burn his hands and/or legs

>also it would be pretty cool if aang gave ozai a scar too just like zukos, maybe permanently burn his hands and/or legs
What are Air Nomad teachings?

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>missing thematics this hard
azula is katara's opposite. both are the daughter of leaders with a missing mother, both have a less talented older brother, both are mature and far gifted beyond their years because of their circumstances. katara wins because katara is kind and good and has loving family and azula is not. she is more of a sister to zuko than azula ever was.

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>katara wins because katara is kind and good and has loving family and azula is not.
And how does this justify her single handedly beating Azula a.k.a. one of the best fighters in the series? Because is not like any of the contrasts between Katara and Azula plays any role in their actual confrontation since it becomes a 1 vs 1.

She outplayed her.

Then what is the value of them being opposites if all comes to that? It would mean something if Zuko still played a supporting role on Katara taking Azula down, but as it is the meaning is void.

no killing? aangs just gonna disable his hands/feet a little and besides that is the least lethal thing he can do besides taking away his bending

its ethical and possible

Because it's "impactful" and "meaningful" primarily to the audience. Consider how little actual impact it has for korra that she can't access the past lives, which she used just about once in the span of 2 seasons. Reminder that avatar state isn't about past lives in korra.

They're gone for good user. Best case the past lives were freed from Raava to be reborn as new people. Worst case they just stopped existing entirely. Korra didn't actively kill them though, she got overwhelmed in a fight and her evil uncle killed them instead.

Also the only reason Iroh is still "alive" is because he bailed on the world when he got too old and entered the spirit world to live there instead.

What i find even more amusing is that even the spirits thinks she fucked up in the comics, but the airbenders like it so everyone else is wrong and nothing happens regarding the portals.

That’s true, however it’s never treated as such in the show. I don’t know how to describe the phenomenon in which a character is clearly a fuck-up but the story never acknowledges it, in fact even accommodates it despite previous world building.

Uniting the worlds was a good thing. The potential for a bad outcome does not require to a bad outcome.

>Uniting the worlds was a good thing.
What good did leaving the portals open achieve?

Avatar state is a last resort since if you are killed in it than the avatar cycle is broken forever

You mean Mr Spiritual whom had never interacted with a spirit in his life?

The very same. Also I said that Jinora said it was a benefit, and she's Jinora.

It returned the world to normal, now with humanity being wise enough to coexist with the spirits.

You wish...

>immediately use spirit vines to make wmds
Based wise humanity

On what grounds?

This but unironically.

>be earthbender
>can build a castle of your own for free, can encase people in stone spheres and hurl them into space
>be waterbender
>can manipulate people’s bodies, heal by jacking them off with water, some other shit
>be firebender
>can nuke a continent by pointing your hand down at a 45 degree angle
>be airbender
>can ride a scooter

We will never have a third saga with a new Earthbender Avatar kid in a Blade runner Sci-fi setting that exploits the energy of the spirits, which therefore are absolutely angry about that.

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>be earthbender
>can build a castle, you can rider a
flying rock like a surf, Gate of Babylonia budget, completely alter the landscape, Meteor fall, be Magneto alike.

Ok, you can nuke things with fire and play Thor, but Earth seems just seems more fun

Normal !/= better bu default. Besides that isn't the normal state as told by Vaatu who was the first to break down the barrier between world. So what actually happened was that Wan returned the world to normal, and Korra decided to undo his work on the word of her evil uncle.

That's really all that needs to be said. We can close the thread now.

I think the boost actually lasts quite long if you realize that on three different and far away locations people were fighting
Azula and Zuko quite to the west
Ozai and Aang in the middle of the globe
And Iroh in Ba Sing Se, a lot more to the east
If they can all get boosted simultanously, then the boost needs to last very long, as time zone wise these people are hours apart
It's BS anyway, because if a comet would get so close as to skim the atmosphere there is absolutely no possibility of that comet maintaining the same orbit and return a predictable 100 years later

>before korra bloodbending could only be used on a full moon
Even after only Yakone, Amon and Tarlok could do that
And they had the genes and the soul crushing training

Air benders were a peaceful people up against ten to one odds in a surprise attack. If they'd been more warlike they could've collapsed the lungs of every soldier that came stomping up to their temples for centuries until Aang woke up and got his shit together.

>tfw no retarded slave Korra

Could we agree that the best case for the show to actually showcase how powerful an avatar could be is to make the Avatar the villain of the series?

I mean, with an Avatar protagonist, the show will have to find a way to nerf/crutch the avatar for the main villain to stand a chance, or introduce a new nuisance like with what happened to Korra (imo 4 element bending should have stayed that way, no/less spirit/energy bending)

with an Avatar villain, they could showcase just how powerful one could be and have the Avatar go all out, this would make the protagonist 4 benders, one for each element and in a way could explore just how powerful each individual element could be.

Imagine the strongest of each element battling an unstoppable avatar

sure, user.

I wonder, will people have to live on the back of Mecha-Turtles now that the spirits are back?

kek

Yangchen is arguably the best avatar ever, and kyoshi was op as shit

>empty platitudes

FPBP

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The debate isn’t about gender it’s about elements.
Basically;

Air Avatars >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Earth and Fire Avatars > Faeces > Water Avatars

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Wan would have kept the portal open if he thought humanity was ready. He fought and does to make humanity ready. Korra opening the portal and it NOT culminating in genocide was the successful completion of the cycle Wan started.

Based E;R shutting it all down in the first post!

This,

>That pic
>mfw the mods haven't noticed it yet

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I think you’re underestimating airbending a bit.
>literally pull air out of people’s lungs, crushing their torsos with the vacuum
>use the air to levitate shit around to yourself
>if you have anything like a kite or umbrella, you can fucking fly
>high pressure air jets
>totally nullify firebenders, because they won’t have any oxygen to ignite
There’s a reason why Aang’s old mentor was found surrounded by fire-nation corpses, even superpowered by Sozin’s comet.

I thought dying in the spirit world ends the avatar cycle?

Potentially every element allows you to do interesting things. The skill of the user and his imagination are what make the difference.

First post best post.

Kyoshi created earth bending gestapo, but that pales in comparison to opening up rifts into spirit realm and letting incorporeal beings lose in a world that can't defend itself against them.

Bloodbending is busted so a water bending avatar not afraid to get messy could probably do some extremely brutal shit

Before Korra fucked up the lore blood bending was at least exclusively limited to only being done under a full moon so it wasnt as huge of a technique that had something to balance it out. It was broken but it was very situational and could only be done by the best of benders.

See the issue with debates on elements is that everyone always forgets that the most busted techniques of each elements can only be used by master benders that are relatively rare. Only like five people have ever mastered bloodbending, and those airbending techniques are something only done by masters or turbo spergs like Zaheer who studied airbending their whole life. In one on one fights between your average bender fire has better offensive abilities.

you forgot 1

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>In one on one fights between your average bender fire has better offensive abilities.
Who knows. Earth and Waterbenders seemed to be pretty even with Fire on the bigger battles that weren't against named characters. It usually took technology or specific situations to break through for the firenation.

I doubt it would be any different for Airbenders, they might even be stronger since they seem to live their bending more than the other nations. Also worth noting that Aangs defenses were very effective against Zuko in book 1, a normal airbenders defenses might be good enough to make a fight with Firebenders very even.

Aang was a child protégée at airbending though. Also it’s worth noting while water benders get a power boost from the moon, fire benders get a boost during the day

he only a few years younger then iroh
iroh was around 60 in the serie
ozai was 46 - 47 during the serie

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what about radiation? would it be possible to bend radiation?

Depends on if the Avatar can
>Lava bend
>Explosion bend
>Fly

Ozai was right. The avatar is an obsolete relic of a bygone past. That's why korra couldn't keep up. The world no longer the avatar

his fire bending did also get a boost during the comet.
but he still preffered to use air against ozai. as he knew that with fire ozai out skilled him

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They do, but the only real breakthrough was due to technology and removing bending.

All i'm saying is that it's really hard to gauge the relative power of each element since the different advantages likely balance each other out pretty well.

I think there's a difference in "mastering" and element and then actually a master in that element. In Aang's case, he only ever completes his air and water training but even then it's not like he's a better waterbender than katara. During Roku's life you see he becomes good enough that he surpasses the masters he trains with so he's even stronger but Aang doesn't have the time to just get really good at one element

what would spaceflight be like in the avatar world?

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See this is what the whole series was about, elements balancing eachother. Really it’s more that the destructive powers of firebenders lend themselves incredibly well to a structured military and aggressive combat. If the earth kingdom was better governed it could be similar

By suspect clearly you mean BASED AS FUCK.

Exactly the same except instead of a rocket you would have 100 master firebenders

didn't korra's shit show make lava/magma fall under earth bending?

meanwhile the firebender avatar before yanchen lava bended multiple volcano's at the same time.

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i admit i'm suprised the pic i posted is still up yeah.
then again i've posted it several times over the years and not once did it get removed.

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Maybe that avatar WAS using earthbending?

>Ozai was right. The avatar is an obsolete relic of a bygone past.
Everyone needs a representative. The non-benders chose Amon. The Southern Water Tribe chose anti-Christ Unalaq. Zaheer believed that his cause was just and true, that the world was seeking this balance. And Kuvira put herself forth so the Earth Kingdom chose her.
Each of them was an Avatar.

They were all warmongers who wanted to recreate the world with them at the top. Even on Zaheer, the most decent of them, I still have some doubt.

Ozai would have brought world peace and prosperity if he wasn't stopped.

>Best case the past lives were freed from Raava to be reborn as new people
I thought they were the same people? Isn't the Avatar just Wan and Raava constantly reincarnating? Maybe what was destroyed was just the stored knowledge because usually when you reincarnate your past lives stop mattering

it was still fire bending then.

korra's shit show changed it to lava bending, because the writers had to trow bolin a bone to make him not apear useless and give him a special skill (as metal bending was mainsteam)

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that's a wrap folks

I don't really believe that even remotely. But anywas, all of them, Ozai, Zaheer, Chin, Kuvira in their head were convinced of being noble heroes who fight against a bad system for a juste cause, to become legend and the founding figure of a new status quo.

>it was still fire bending then.
No it wasn't, that doesn't make any sense lava is literally Earth aka way more density/volume? than just fire. Lavabending is one of the few good things to come out of Korra.

jin was best girl

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Only because best girl was born a man

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The alternative is to have another human being who manages to merge with a powerful spirit. This is the only way to potentially have two subjects capable of using multiple elements in the same age. That or split the soul of an Avatar into two twins, somehow.

>I mean, with an Avatar protagonist, the show will have to find a way to nerf/crutch the avatar for the main villain to stand a chance
The truth is that what makes the Avatar OP is the fact that it's universe is heavily influenced by overidealized Wuxia fiction that calls for face to face battles.
In concept a projectile like an arrow,poison or just an attack from the back could take out the Avatar.

Chinese army could genocide the shaolin even if they had superpowers.

The most accomplished in fucking shit up and ruining lives, yes.

Doesn’t Korra technically have Raava and Vaatu inside her because they grow out of each other if the other is destroyed?

Has anyone written a story about this concept? You know, Fire Lord Zuko going on a political trip to Ba Sing Se and seeing Jin? I bet they have but I wouldn't know, plus searching for a specific plot is hard with only a tag system.

Probably. There’s like what, 200k avatar fanfics on FF.net alone.

Wouldn't it just be like half the plot of ff7 if done that way?
>planet's dying, Korra

Only around 45k, actually. Still sounds impressive but becomes significantly less so when you realise Harry Potter has long surpassed a million.

Mai deserves to suffer.

We don't know the conditions for lavabending AND bending is considered genetic now, so it's entirely plausible that Bolin had it because he was a mixed breed.

/thread

Kuvira was absolutely wasted. Why couldn't she be a powerful earthbender rivalling Bumi and Toph. Her barely losing against Toph rather than backing down immediately would have been so hype

fpbp

>seeing literal dumbasses rate airbending as "Lol u can ride a scooter :d"

yeah or suck the air straight out of people's lungs, as shown on the show.

Air and water are equally fucking broken in combat abilities. I guess fire is next since lightning is very strong, but magma is also pretty powerful.

wow Legend of Korra really tried it's best to ruin everything from Airbender. Glad I stopped watching after the 1st season

>and with it the spirits of the previous Avatars
They're literally all the same fucking person. Raava wasn't a trill symbiote; the memories aren't stored in the spirit. It facilitated and enabled the Avatar to speak to its prior incarnations.

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Secret Police are bullshit. Bring the hammer down or stay thy hand. A dog dies to agony if you cut its infected tail bit by bit, but it might yet live if you do it all at once.

Depends on how you view it. Its definitely Korra or Kyoshi from the ones we know.

With Korra it depends on how you view the whole world merge thing and its potential to get better since the whole cycle reset wasn't entirely her fault and more her crazy Uncle. She also had to deal with more bullshit overall ranging from an army of evil spirits and the ultra evil spirit kaiju, a bloodbending master and his faction of fighters who can shut you down, and a general with a giant fucking mecha.

Kiyoshi had to primarily deal with some manlet conqueror and didn't really do anything until it got to her personally. Then at that point she implemented shitty rules for BSS that would linger for hundreds of years, took her ball (land), and went home.

Difference there is that korra literally caused everything after amon, also kyoshi had the strength to back up her choices, while korra fucked up and had to be bailed out every time

He means Korra is best avatar by default of being the only one left.

Fair enough view though again the shit Korra had to deal with was far beyond the shit Kiyoshi had to take on. She kind of needed the help, especially after her Uncle absolutely fucked everything.

The only correct answer. She basically destroyed everything the avatar stood for

Wouldn't he also have Unalaq, however small, as the voice of vaatu?

I wouldn’t say kuvira was anymore impressive or powerful than chin was

Did Chin have a giant fucking mech made of platinum complete with giant laser?

Not only was the mecha only a problem because korra somehow lost an honor duel with an upjumped palace guard, but if she was as strong as kiyoshi she could drop that fucker into a canyon, something like that wouldn’t get up from tripping

Vaatu/Unalaq first destroyed every previous Avatar before he extinguished Raava, so yes, Korras incompetence basically left her as the sole one

The mech wasn't the only problem and it can attack from long range. Compared to Chin, Kuvira wasn't an idiot and generally knew how to approach obstacles. She'd most likely aim to nuke Kuvira from afar with the laser just like she did with Korra and her friends the first time, only failing because of plot armor.

She caused 3 out of 4 seasons of her own show.

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wrong pic by the way

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Nuke Kiyoshi*

Chin conquered a continent. His only mistake was at the end when he decided to try and call a bluff Kyoshi wasn't making.

Wasn't Kuvira doing the same thing just as efficiently if not moreso? Really the only reason she lost was plot induced. She had Korra cornered by her troops from what I recall and only surrendered because Korra saved her

Water bending is the best, retard.

>She had Korra cornered by her troops
Remember how four teens took on the Earth Kingdom's battalion at Ba Sing Se when Aang didn't even have the Avatar State?
The "win without throwing a punch" type of encounter is what Yea Forums was bitching about wanting from Korra because her antagonizing force relents then when it actually happens people like you change your tune.

jesus that pic is great.

Lmao. Is this real?
How can anyone defend terrorist spirits?

Objectively speaking it's the water dude who let his wife get Koh-napped. Korra fucked up a lot but at least actively got involved with stuff and tried to help shape it for the better.

How so? The guy didn't do anything as there wasn't really any big thing to deal with aside from general political stuff that didn't really require him. He didn't really cause any damage or anything. Koh was just being a cunt

He failed to take an active role in the world which is what the avatar is supposed to do.

That's gotta suck though. What if a guy or girl born as the Avatar doesn't want it? Are they not allowed free will?

>That's gotta suck though. What if a guy or girl born as the Avatar doesn't want it? Are they not allowed free will?
Their choice is how they go about interacting with the world. That was the whole point of Aang's journey, he wanted to run away from the Avatar role but eventually he simply lived with his fate on his own terms, by not killing Ozai.

Oh shut the fuck up Korra.

>Chin
>compare him with kuvira

oh, please. He wasn't even close to Kuvira's level, besides she had also technological resources.

Technically this Avatar thing of the balance of the world is rather ambiguous. On many occasions, the Avatar is shown as an extremely conservative force and from my point of view it is not necessarily positive.

Stopping Unalaq was absolutely necessary, but stopping Kuvira or even zaheer?
Despite their methods, especially in the second case, they have some points in their favor.