What does Yea Forums think about The Ultimate universe ? I'm barely halfway through...

what does Yea Forums think about The Ultimate universe ? I'm barely halfway through , finished the clone saga and to be honest I hate every single character by now except Moon Knight.

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Republican Marvel Universe

I'm glad it's dead.

It's dead and nobody misses it.

At least AFAIK.

I liked Ultimates 1 and 2. Otherwise... nah.

Judging by the era it's in the Ultimate Universe is more pro-Imperialism and somewhat fascist and edgy. The event "Ultimatum" straight up killed the Ultimate Universe completely and lost a number of goodwill because the writers are trying too hard

Hickman's Ultimatum run is brilliant because not only we have a Captain America who is President, but also shows the effect of how a pro-Imperialist America can produce the worst kind of enemies. Even among your on allies. Which that version of Reed Richards became. And to change that would mean abandon the Imperialist route and actually start engaging

Also, we got Miles Morales. But honestly there are a number of things that have failed the Ultimate Universe completely, and nothing they can do will bring it back

Bendis is gone so it's good. If the Ultimate Universe intents to com back then it needs a truly creative writer that knows his shit. Also, a Ult. Peter Parker X Ult. Jessica Drew romance

Wasn't Bendis the guy who pulled all those random edgy stuff out of nowhere in first place ? If thats him then Im happy that he is gone.
I dont know about Parker x Drew though , I mean MJ was always the best in my opinion but in the Ultimate Universe MJ was really just a bitch, so why not.
(Still weird though when you think about Peter fucking himself)

Think Millar was the one who had the Blob eat Wasp

AND SHE DID VOMIT
VOMIT ON HIS COCK
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that was loeb

I never got why people were so upset about that. She was clearly already dead, killed by the tsunami, and a lot of other people died as well.

I also rarely hear anyone follow up with "He also had Pym bite Blob's head off like he was Ozzy going at a bat".

didn't care

> the Ultimate Universe is more pro-Imperialism
The ENTIRE point of Ultimates 2 is that Shield's imperialism is bad and that's why the Ultimates left Shield between 2 & 3 you dumb fuck.
> Hickman's Ultimatum run is brilliant because not only we have a Captain America who is President, but also shows the effect of how a pro-Imperialist America can produce the worst kind of enemies. Even among your on allies. Which that version of Reed Richards became.
President Cap came AFTER Hickman's run and Reed went bad before Hickman's run in the Ultimate Doomsday trilogy which had nothing to do with America's "imperialism". Him going bad wasn't explained beyond Sue leaving him and his ramblings about "the systematic raping of science".
Fuck the hell off.

> Wasn't Bendis the guy who pulled all those random edgy stuff out of nowhere in first place ?
Not at all there was very little edgy in Ultimate Spider-Man.
It was Millar with Hank Pym being abusive to Janet and Hulk being a GENUINE rampaging monster who kills tons of people.
Then Leob is the one who went full edge.

At least he didnt went full Ozzy and smeared his shit on the wall

So the best Marvel Universe? Fucking sweet
>As much as people like to bitch the MCU would not exist if it wasn't for Ultimates Vol. 1 & 2.
>It also had the best version of Tony Stark up until that point (and I'm willing to say beyond). Current Stark is just Downey Jr.

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It was out of character for the Blob, who had a face turn and went good in USM (if I remember correctly)

It was out of nowhere, shock for shock's sake.

The whole point of the Ultimate Universe was to get invested in the characters all over again and to move away from SHOCKING deaths which were going full force in the MCU (not that Ultimate didn't have its own share of deaths.)

There was a glimmer of hope that somehow someone could unfuck what was going on after Loeb finished the dump he was talking with Ultimates 3 and Ultimatum. Blob eating the Wasp in a full page spread was the death of that hope -- nah, they're throwing away everything in an effort to shock us.

The... MCU?

I started reading the Ultimate Universe to actually understand the 616 Universe more since I had no idea where to start. Correct me if I am wrong but will I miss on anything major after the Ultimate Universe / Secret Wars ?

Are you okay? RDJ and Ult Tony are literally the exact same. 616 Tony is a sad freak while 1610 and MCU Tony are party chads

The MCU came 8 years after Ultimate dude,=

You're reading an alternate universe to better understand the main 616 universe? Am I getting that right?

>Promiscuous burglar chick with something of an adrenaline fetish.
>Finds out her fling's underage, despite him being mature enough to fool her behind a mask
>Her reaction is vomiting.
Yeeeah, overreaction much? It's a fucking teen.

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Noticed that I havent made myself clear my bad. I was asking about after the Ultimate Universe happens will I understand the 616 since (as much as I heard) they merge.

No, you won't be up to date with 616 if you only read Ultimate and Secret Wars 2015. The only thing that happened after SW 2015 was Miles Morales being thrown into the 616 continuity.

Nope. The only element from the Ultimate Universe that survives is Miles Morales, the Maker and EXTREMELY nominally some of the Ultimates.

*616 Tony is alive and kicking. MCU Tony is dead. And 1616 Tony might as well be.

Is there a good starting point for the 616 Universe except reading from the beginning. Just like New 52 for DC for example.

>Just like New 52 for DC for example.
Why would you do that?

How old was Pete any way? Like the story ran for several years but comic book time and all. I know Ultimates 1 took place in 2003

Started as a good idea that eventually just turned into a dumping ground for edgy stories that the editors knew wouldn't fly in the mainline universe.

Wasn't just Miles, one of Wolverine's kids and evil Reed Richards made it over too. Probably some others I don't remember too.

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Everyone’s grumpy except for Spider-Man and the Fantastic 4. I liked when Wolverine betrayed Cyclops, I didn’t like how unapologetically rude Storm was, and I didn’t like how Beast left the X-Men & joined another team only to be assassinated within 2 issues

High School sophomore-Junior

I always forget about the Maker.

Peter always gets bit at 15 so either 15 or 16, still young enough to nope the fuck out and distance yourself immediately but vomiting at the revelation just seems to be trying way too hard, it's not like he's a literal child at that point.

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fucking this kid was brought over?
why I don't even think he was popular

I get miles, I kindaget maker (though I thought he was killed by molecule man) how the fuck did this guy survive?

Ults Tony will be missed. I think he’s technically alive and bumming around space somewhere with a bunch of other Ults survivors. Or something, who knows.

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It's so weird, I imagined him being older by then. Compared to 616 the U-Verse had a scary number of events happening close to one another. Like no time to breathe it seemed

They wanted a teen Wolverine to go with the teen O5 so they could recreate their favorite X-Men love triangle. Then he became a not-Venom and vanished.

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Surprised she didn't just kick him in the balls and tell him to call her when he turns 18.