X-MEN ARE ACTUALLY UNDERRATED. Started reading some old x-men comics and stuff and was surprised to see how little there is "muh minority rights" there. Like, you get Nightcrawler in Cockrum's mini swashbuckling. Starjammers, X-Men visiting Cyttorak dimension, fighting interdimensional demons, aliens and Dracula. Pic related, it's Oblivion. I didn't know that he was introduced in Iceman as the main antagonist. As a matter of fact the X-men and x-books are full of stuff like that. Not only that, they really played well with the rest of marvel universe. I mean, you get characters like Moses Magnum and Warhawk, who are associated with other franchises, but who also had a nice stint with the X-Men. Why most people only equate them with the "muh minority rights"?
X-MEN ARE ACTUALLY UNDERRATED...
>Why most people only equate them with the "muh minority rights"?
Because that's how they've been portrayed ever since the first movie in the year 2000 (Goddamn time flies). That being said, that seems to be the only real twist to differentiate the X-Men from the modern (or rather Post-Modern) portrayal of all Superheroes as fundamentally human (emotionally) with god-like power (power fantasy).
Yeah, but at the same time, we lose a whole block of unexplored area taht x-men also covered. Keep in mind that they are mutants, which means that at the core they are a sci-fi heroes. Sure, there certainly should be a humanist aspect, but imagine my surprise where I read all of these old stories and see Iceman exploring space, other dimensions, some fantasy lands. It's like the last thing to expect to find in books that are famous for being about politics
Yeah, the movies really fucked up the brand with their bullshit. The X-Men were primarily a Sci-Fi book starring a sort of paramilitary band of Ubermensch. You had everything from PMCs, to Time Travel and Vampires. Anything you could’ve wanted, you could find in the X-Books. But nope, now it’s gotta all about “Muh nogs”. Let’s hope Based Hickman changes this.
the rumors are he's going full planet of the apes with them
Claremont introduced the racial symbolism in the early 80s and the gay rights angle appeared in the 90s
and Kirby/Lee already had an angry mob attacking Beast as far as X-Men #8. It's not about symbolism, but rather, an exploitation of one angle. What I was surprised, which I didn't stress out enough, is how different the x-books were from what I was expecting
that's what we've been trying to tell you user
and again, nobody listened
It's weird how often the X-Men deal with magic and super natural shit but none of the dozens of teams have really dealth with more cosmic level stuff considering they're really offshoots of the eternals
Stan Lee said he created them as mutants because he was to lazy to think of the way they got their powers. He then just went with the discrimination angle as it materialized, but that’s not at all the main theme of the franchise.
It is a shame that things evolved from “we’re going to use our powers to save normal people because it’s the right thing to do and it will show people that mutants aren’t something to be feared” to “Magneto was right let’s segregate!”
X-Men have always been crazy sci-fi adventures, that why the 90s cartoon was so popular, there some human drama and racism but the sexiness of the characters that sold everything.
thank you for your insight, clicheansweranon
it's even a shame that it changed from people who were reluctant heroes and treated their powers as burden into supremacist assholes
it's almost like the actual stories are more complex and entertaining than the stupid memes Yea Forums parrots
Memes? That Yea Forums parrots?
>It's weird how often the X-Men deal with magic and super natural shit
there was a lot of mystical stuff in the 80s Claremont run, Ilyana becoming a wizard in a paralelo dimension, the Inferno crossover,.. but this was common in comics back them, the Teen Titans had Raven who half-demon.
It’s like they became metaphor for Zionism and Jewish exceptionalism in America.
weren't they always? I mean "these puny homo sapiens, no match for us, homo superior"
Yeah, but doesn't that also fit NeoNazis and pretty much ANY other Supremacist Organization? Pretty much anyone can self-insert into the X-Men, from a black tranny to George Rockwell.
>zionism is equal to neonazism
hmmmm..... and even bigger HMMMMMM
Shouldn’t you be marching with your tiki torch? Just screw off with your bullshit. Every major foundational X-Men writer except Thomas was Jewish, so if you hate them so much why are you even here? Go read another medium.
There isn’t any real “neonazi” organization or country with political power while Zionism is the most well funded and organized supremacist movement with direct influence over the economy, media and politics.
literally nothing wrong with pointing out jewish hypocrisy
true, but their core philosophy is the same
That was always the villains' line, never Xavier's kids.
about that...
Oh, you can't read, cool.
Even on that page, Xavier's tone is much softer than 'we're so much better than puny inferior humans'. I don't see why you're trying to apply aggressive supremacist rhetoric to the early X-Men when that attitude applied more to Magneto.
Be glib as you please, but the X-Men books I read always had them being fairly humble about their relationship with normal people and their responsibility as super powered individuals.
you don't get it, the mutants will replace humans
Israel would set up literal death camps for Palestinians if they could
Didn't they already?