Either Batman dies alone, or he married Selina or Talia. Both are criminals, but Talia is a murderer while Selina is an burglar. So there's either going to be some reforming on their part or moral compromising on Batman's part. But realistically, they're the only women in Gotham on his level.
Ivy, Vicki, Zee, Canary, Harley, and even Babs are just casual flirtations at most, and fanfiction tier romance at best. None come close to Bruce when compared to Talia or Selina. No woman understands him the way they do.
And Wondy? Yeah she's a friend. But not much more. Sex with her would kill him, which is the least weird part of their parting, with her being hundreds of years older than him.
>Inb4 muh Tom King. REEEEEEEE We all know Yea Forums doesn't actually read comics, so it's a bit much expecting people here to remember runs older than 2 or 3 years. But the preoccupation with King's shitty writing doesn't prove much either way. It just shows that it can be done badly.
Maybe he doesn't need someone to understand him as Batman, but as a MAN, period.
Pic related. When Vicki came back in the early 90s before Knightfall, Bruce had a head-over-heels schoolboy crush for her, thought about revealing his identity, but withdrew from her instead which caused her to cuck him for a black which was one of the things that led to Bruce's mental exhaustion in Knightfall.
They could have done something interesting with the dynamic of her knowing Bruce's identity if they didn't abandon it so quickly. I just think Vicki and Bruce could be cozy together.
But, I like Talia too and think she is probably his one true love over Catwoman. I'd take Julie Madison, Rachel Caspian, Marcia Monroe, basically anyone over Selina at this point.
>And Wondy? Yeah she's a friend. But not much more. Sex with her would kill him, which is the least weird part of their parting, with her being hundreds of years older than him. The dynamic is interesting, there are countless parelels between them, and Batman being mortal makes it perfect. Steve Trevor's a mortal too, after all.
Angel Fisher
That take on Vicki isn't bad. But there comes a point where many of these characters are just Susan Maguire types.
Sure, you can write a good love story between Bruce and basically anyone if you're good enough writer, but the problem is that that lady could literally be *anyone.* You're not really relying on pre existing narrative to so that tho. You're jousting making it up on the spot.
Bruce doesn’t need marriage. Since he already has bid family, there’s no way he dies alone even if he doesn’t marry.
Nathan Anderson
Selina is the best if she could stop stealing and reform herself. But BatCat romance never focus on her reforming, so ending up alone might be best for Bruce. Marriage is not necessary for him after all.
Oliver Moore
It's a romance that only exists to make Catwoman a relevant character. It does Batman no favors.
Tell me one single thing good the Batcat romance does for Batman character and mythos.
Luis Hall
Tell that to Green Arrow and Black Canary, or several other couples made up of characters from different franshises.
Nolan Reed
>It does Batman no favors. Makes him not gay. Without selina Fujoshits would reign supreme.
Gavin Gutierrez
Batman fucking any other women makes him not gay. Either way, that was Kathy Kane, aka Batwoman, role.
Julian Jenkins
Even now, fujos are majority of fandom. They just make male characters bi if they have girlfriends or even partners. Look at Superman, he has Lois and Jon, but fujos just ignore Lois and making him bi to ship him with Bruce or any other men.
Isaac Parker
What about a third option? What if Bendis creates a valiant (black) female investigator who steals Bruce Wayne's heart through her incredible pluck and intelligence and unparalleled ingenuity? She puts a beat-down on both of her rivals and proves that even Batman cannot match her investigative genius, and he falls madly in love with her???
Catwoman's entire appeal is being a villain who is likable and not really evil but is too untamed to ever switch sides. She and Batman are doomed to be forever incompatible and that's what makes their interactions good.
Talia is at her best when she starts off as a good-ish person who suffers some fucked up fate that showcases how far gone her father is morally and mentally and how this affects the people he used to care about. This can take the form of her shedding her good nature like a cocoon to emerge as a fully realized evil criminal mastermind like her dad, or simply getting killed by him. Her episode in Batman Beyond was one of her best appearances and a perfect example of how to use her in a story. Her story hooks do have the potential to get a bit morbid and grimdark when used to their fullest potential, so she should be used sparingly.
Domesticating either of these characters by putting them in a lasting relationship with Batman would neutralize the elements that make them work.
Zachary Cruz
Both character's appeal are cheesecake to create the illusion that Batman comics aren't subversively gay comics.
The only real problem is that they make Batman's attempts to "rehabilitate" his hardcore villains look rather stupid, since he can't even succeed with an anti-hero and an anti-villain who are both actually favorably inclined towards him.
Next thing you're going to say something fucking crazy like "How about no more wards/sidekicks".
Dylan Ward
Selina is Cancer.
Kayden Wood
>Either Batman dies alone
Leo Bailey
Honestly I think Bruce settling down as an adventurer with a robin taking his place sounds cool, either with a cop or a journalist. I think, even more than Supes, a action journalist would be perfect for him.
Luke King
King is making Andrea canon. Prepare for the love triangle!
Grayson White
>makes their interactions good. Batman can be happy without wife. He already has family or team that bring him happiness. Pushing the theory that Batman can’t be happy without marriage is just ignorant and bad tactic to push BatCat.
Juan Cruz
We just have to wait. Eventually Selina will fade away like Harper Row after they keep pushing Selina and making people hate her like Harper.
Xavier Sullivan
Batman caring only for selina makes him even more unlikable than he already is. Congratulations Tom King.
Justin Hill
People already hate her. People already hate a lot of characters that DC, well King, is pushing as hard as possible.
Grayson Allen
user the only reason he's doing that is to prop up Selina more
I have a very slim hope that King's containment run will suck less. Shipping Bruce and Selina is obvs a priority for him, but one that never really fit with the larger scope of what a 100 ish Batman run should be. But if he's given a chance to do something he actually wants to focus on, potentially it sucks less bc he feels less like he has to justify the romance in the first place.
That's what happens when you push your body so much after a certain age.
Jaxson King
If we lived in a perfect world, Bruce marrying a rehabilitated/retired Catwoman would the ideal end. Talia is too far up the crazy scale to safely settle down with her, and there's always the possibility of her still holding loyalties to her father/ Ra's using her to take advantage of Bruce like what he did in Batman Beyond. Catwoman is both conceptually the easiest and most sensible choice for a Batman rogue to permanently reform and settle down with Bruce considering she's only a burglar and is way more grounded that Talia, actually being in love with Bruce with no manipulative strings attached.
Of course, King had to go and ruin what was probably going to be the most invigorating and natural advancement to the Batman mythos since Morrison's run, but whatever.
You're conventienly ignoring the fact that Selina has always been self-serving and unpredictable, constantly playing mind-games and back-stabbing Batman. Even if sometimes for a noble reason. Sure, most of it was to keep the ever present status quo from ever changing, but it's a thing.
Elijah Hughes
>actually being in love with Bruce with no manipulative strings attached. Forcing him to forget Gotham and retire so he can be her suga daddy and she can spend all his money counts as being manipulative strings attached.
Gabriel Brown
I mean, Selina's a solid 8 and Bruce's got like a hundred kids running around the streets kicking the shit out of criminals. Retiring and being her sugar daddy seems like a pretty sweet deal to me.
Austin White
>And Wondy? Yeah she's a friend. But not much more. Sex with her would kill him Bon Voyage, pelvis.
Aiden Diaz
But that's pretty much forcing Batman to change his ways and conform to a life that only suits her the best. And all just because Selina is fast approaching the wall and wants to secure a retirement by snatching a handsome and rich guy who can support the lavish style of life she came to enjoy living.
It feels selfish, self-serving, and manipulative. Perfect Selina. But still... kinda shitty deal for Batman, all things considered.
All that hinges on tho is whether or not she's really reformed. If she's not in the end, then it doesn't work. But if she really is, then she won't backstab anyone.
Landon Lopez
Is there any timeline where Bruce is happy with Zatanna?
Levi Gonzalez
His true love is Catwoman, but for one reason or another they don't work out. Batman grows old alone, unhappy, and obsessed with his crusade to the bitter end, Selina might not find a true love and settle down to have a bundle of kids or anything, but finds something happiness, regardless.
Objectively the best outcome.
Hunter Torres
>Selina might not find a true love and settle down to have a bundle of kids or anything, but finds something happiness, regardless. Selina marries Ted Grant.
The only bad trinity shipping is Superman/Wonder Woman, because both characters have no chemistry, no working dynamic, and the whole thing is based on very shallow and creepy concepts.
Batman/Wonder Woman is totally different and comparing both as if they were the same thing is some really stupid and forced attempt to discredit BMWW for whatever reason that has nothing to do with the pairing merits or quality.
And Batman and Superman chemistry is as good as Batman and Wonder Woman chemisty, is just that the formed is allowed to be pursuied and sometimes even pushed to exaustion, while the latter is purposely ignored. Probably because DC is afraid of Superman feeling like a third-wheel inside the trinity, when Superman is supposed to be the most important character in everything.
Julie Madison. She was the first, she should be the last.
Dominic Jones
> The only bad trinity shipping is Superman/Wonder Woman, because both characters have no chemistry, no working dynamic, and the whole thing is based on very shallow and creepy concepts. Dude what do you mean by no chemistry? And no work dynamics? Holy shit! Do you even read comics rather than the Bruce Timm cartoon which you clearly use as a basis on. SMWW had chemistry for years long before you and I read comics. I dislike trinity pairing and know this. I know you like BMWW and are pushing this but it's obvious you're adding all the things Superman is to Wonder Woman towards Batman. Overall Trinity pairings sucks but BMWW is worse than SMWW and that is bad too.
Jason Morris
Snyder turned Julie into a tattooed manga-reading thot unfortunately.
Cooper Scott
>That one retard that tries to push his non-existent bat/cass ship
Back to your pathetic life, shoo shoo
Owen Clark
We can always undo that, user. And the manga part is cute.
