Was Flash right?

>half-shirt
>short shorts
So Flash was a repressed homosexual who channeled his sexual frustration into anger rather than admit that he was a fag?

And had an alcoholic dad

I literally just read this panel in Web of Spider-Man 11 and thought it was worth posting. No agenda here user.

What you’ve never lounges around your house in a half t and some cut offs? You’re missing out bruh

>Did Parker deserve his childhood bullying?
Peter is an eternally cursed, self-righteous prick. In a way, he deserved all the bullying and his constant suffering. The only way out for him is to commit suicide.

For having somewhat healthy relationship with his mother(-figure) who he had to take care of in return?

Oh, totally.

Peter had a chip on his shoulder and Flash liked to throw his weight around. They could have easily talked it out, but you know, teenagers.

That was actually considered manly back in the day. Very hetero.

Look at this insecure incel and laugh

It wasn't manly thing, it was just what people used to wear back in day.

Flash was a massive dick, but 60's Pete was a vindictive, self-righteous bitch. They were both assuming too much about the situation and had shitty external pressures, which is what makes the fact of them growing up and becoming buddies work so well. Honestly, stuff like this goes far to show how tapped out Pete is nowadays in terms of potential character flaws and arcs.

Dilate.

Spider-Man will never be as good again as it was in the 80s. But then, the same can be said for any long running comic.

Even back in the day it was obviious that Flash wasn't meant to be a complete asshole since he was one of the few dudes who stuck up for Spider-man

Did Flash just break up with Peter?

This was a great scene, and pretty accurately describes their relationship in the 70s, where they stopped hating each other, but weren't actually friends.

The problem is, they had in fact been shown going to the movies/ball games with each other, helping each other move and so on. Very recently in fact at this point in time. Still, in this case, I think the sentiment trumps continuity.

he didn't deserve it. but flash isn't totally wrong

There was some good stuff (though buried under all the events) in the 90s and early 2000s (again, if you look past all the events and shit like the Spider Totem), but yeah. It is pretty sad to think of how at one point, Spider-Man had been one of the few characters to stay consistently good since his creation.

The real question is why Flash's outfit is so gay.

Was Aunt May originally supposed to be Peter's great aunt? Most 20 year olds don't have a 70 year old aunt/uncle

PENIS PARKER

Flash is literally mad that Peter didn’t do anything

Yes, Peter Parker was a fucking weirdo raised by his non-nuclear family who didn't know a waltz from a cha-cha.
When Peter grows the fuck up and stops acting like such a sperg, he suddenly gets along a lot better with people.
Remember, being super selfish is the entire reason Uncle Ben got killed.

Flash and buddies often did invite Peter, both before and after Ben's death and Peter often overstated May's medical needs. He just was kind of a moody, uncool, stick-in-the-mud. Flash was right.

Except he was like that before his uncle died

And as far as I know he never told them his uncle died and that he needed a job to support his aunt

Peter was an asshole ad a teenager

Yeah but not knowing the difference between a waltz and a cha-cha is not being super selfish. Being a sperg isn't being selfish.

Good scene but this is the 90s and they had a lot of good moments together.
They ARE friends. He's letting it all out because of the drugs and thr frustrations of Pete not being a super present guy for obvious reasond.

No but he makes a good point all the same.
Loads of people who weren't "popular" in school grow up to be entitled, stuck-up pricks because they think they're a plucky underdog for having poor social skills.

>Hang out and be friends with me or I'll bully you. Also you have to support my bullying of other people who don't hang out with me or are my friends.

How about fuck you

Peter was a dick but he didn't deserve to get bullied.

Shut the fuck up Peter.

Parker sperging out was a character flaw, the myth that people being picked on in school and not fitting in means that they're innocent angels and the world is just needlessly cruel to them is just that - a myth.
Parker got his power fantasy and immediately set off being a massive selfish asshole because he wanted to spite people, and it got his uncle killed, and even after that he continued to hide his powers and endanger and put aside everyone close to him for years. That's on him.

Flash was definitely a bully towards Peter, who's own attitude in those Ditko issues can be handwaved by the fact that Peter had a REALLY shitty life (dead parents, a beloved uncle murdered because Peter's arrogance, a widowed aunt/legal guardian who is in her 80s and with major health issues that require medication/surgery, not to mention Peter being a poor fag living on whatever meager pension May has and having to sell super-hero paparrazi photos to bring in money just to pay the bills and May's medical costs. You'd be bitter and kind of a dick to your asshole classmates (who already hate you) too if you had to endure all that by the age of 16.

Also, Flash has the issue that while Stan Lee had Flash get humbled/taught a lesson via flunking out of college and doing a stint in Vietnam (which led to the cliched "high school bully joins the military and suddenly gets bullied HARD and gets the bully beaten out of him" face turn), other writers kept wanting to turn Flash evil again so they can give Peter a nemesis on the civilian side.

Not to mention the conflicting issue of the writers trying to give Flash a freudian excuse for being such a piece of shit in the early years. And all of them outright clashing. One hand, you had one set of writers establishing the idea that Flash had an over-achieving intellectual father who openly told Flash he would never love him, because he was a jock and constantly grounded/punished Flash in abusive ways for being a poor student. Then you have the later writers create a completely different father for Flash, one who was a worthless drunk who abused Flash because his life sucked and wanted nothing more than to tear his son down so he wouldn't have to deal with a son who was better than him.

It wasn't completely gay for a man to wear short shorts and cutoff shirts until the late 80s, early 90s.

no and flash is a fucking idiot that handled the situation poorly
Pete went through a lot of shit with his uncle dying, Guilt and financial difficulties on top of the spider-man crap he had to go through with people actively trying to kill him and JJJ slander it's no wonder he gave people the cold shoulder but maybe if Pete tried to talk this shit out instead of bottling it in he would be in a better place at least mentally
You can be supportive and not bully a person

Yeah, tell the school bully the closest thing you had to a father died recently. That'll go over well.

Flash is rigth, Peter's attitude is the root cause of many of his problems.
But he did not deserve to be bullied.

God, Spider-Man still amazes me. He's such an unorthodox idea for a character, he gets superpowers and his first idea is to use them for money. It's not until his own ego catches up with him that he becomes a hero.
Lee and Ditko took such a huge fucking chance and it payed off.

Tbf he gave just as good as he got though

>jjj slandering
I resent that. if it's in print it's libel

That's why I'll never stop laughing at people who say Peter is too whitebread or old school. Spider-Man was the biggest deconstruction of what a superhero should be at the time, and in many ways, still is one of the best. Everyone else's answer to deconstructing superheroes since then has been to make them psychotic, evil or comically ineffective. But here was this throw-away character who did something more subtle than that all the way back in 1962, and instead of being some obscure experiment, he became one of the most recognizable fictional characters ever.

I'm not saying superheroes peaked with Spider-Man or that Lee & Ditko ASM was the be-all-end-all of comics or something (it's not even my favorite 60s Marvel series), but it is kinda sad how taken for granted he is despite being so popular.

Kind of reminds me of those kids who said "we werent shocked when the kid shot up the school" and were basically like "no we dont wish we were nicer, fuck that kid"

>wow this character started off a bit selfish
Nothing new spideyfags

That's what it seems like.
Which just makes the whole symbiote acting like psycho jilted lover even funnier.

>how dare this character do something that was considered new and risky in its time
nice reading comprehension retard

>One hand, you had one set of writers establishing the idea that Flash had an over-achieving intellectual father who openly told Flash he would never love him, because he was a jock and constantly grounded/punished Flash in abusive ways for being a poor student. Then you have the later writers create a completely different father for Flash, one who was a worthless drunk who abused Flash because his life sucked and wanted nothing more than to tear his son down so he wouldn't have to deal with a son who was better than him.
With the sliding timeline we can have a Flash with two dads.

I’ve never heard of the first example, what issues would that have been in?

flash was right

Pete was kind of an asshat during the Ditko era. There was an issue where he baited Johnny Storm for no reason.

Yeah it was something simple but it made sense for him to be selfish and for him to try and gain fame and money with his powers. It kind of humanized him a bit, especially with what came after.

Peter should be a bit of a jerk.

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you feel sorry for Peter at first but then you realize how much of a fucking asshole he was and you understand that Flash was right
And he wasn't a mean asshole bully either, he just talked shit and he showed compassion for Peter from time to time but Peter decided to still be a dick
So of course he deserved it, the only people who disagree are braindead spider fags who self insert themselves as Parker

It’s like they were both in the wrong for the right reasons. Spectacular probably got there relationship the best out of any incarnation

No. Flash is talking about stuff Pete did after becoming Spider-Man which did genuinely make him seem like a twat many a time but 'taking him down a peg' for even that stuff is something only a genuine bully would think of. Also, that doesn't act as an excuse for how he was treated during his pre-Spider-Man era when he wasn't yet running off and acting holier than thou.

Based Flash tryied to purge the Ditko out of Pete. Also, VVirgin and Chad edit WHEN

Do we have one for ladderbro?

Flash has a point here. People who don't hang out or socialize with other people (for whatever reason, shyness, not liking socializing etc.) come off as arrogant and hateful towards everyone around them.

He's not entirely wrong, but he's not in the right either. I know all parties involved were teenagers at the time, but shitting on someone extra hard after getting rebuffed isn't exactly the way to make friends. That "How do you think WE felt?" is just bucking their share of the blame.

difference is he stayed selfish even after he got his powers, unlike every other superhero at the time who immediately went trough a moral ultimate after getting their powers

Way to retcon your acts flash

Not yet

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Pretty sure a "Sorry dude, just pullin' your leg" in some occasions would have made a difference a couple times, but Flash wasn't enough of a Chad for that.

This honestly, I hate the modern renditions of Spiderman that makes him seem like an all around good boy, even before the spider bite. That Ditko bite that he had to him made him quite interesting, he was as much a dick to Flash as he was to him, save for the fact he was weaker. Hell even then Flash never actually physically bullied him, it was Peter who beat him up first.

Not only that but time and time again he'd try to be nice to Peter or invite him to hang out (albeit in a douchey manner) and Peter would just insult him, couple that with the few times Peter practically cucked Flash in front of him and you could understand where Flash was coming from.

Its more like them really being honest with each other, at best they were just acquaintances. Even when Flash let Peter stay over at his place they hardly interacted.

Well the implied stuff before he met Flash? No.
The stuff when he 1st met Flash? Not really.

After Flash tries to be nice to him sometimes, and he more or less steal Flash's girl's heart? Yeah Kinda.

>That's why I'll never stop laughing at people who say Peter is too whitebread or old school.

Thats because most new fags never read the original shit.

No, but Flash deserves what he's gonna get wearing that outfit.

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Flash reminds me of Roger.

>Parker sperging out was a character flaw, the myth that people being picked on in school and not fitting in means that they're innocent angels and the world is just needlessly cruel to them is just that - a myth.

From experience this is usually quite true, 80% of people don't mess with you unless you do something to them 1st.

Going off the old stuff Peter was just an introvert that would've shot up the school if he didn't get powers. So Flash and everyone lucked out.

What a slutty choice of apparel. I like it

I dunno, Pete did sass back even before he got his powers. That doesn’t seem to be something a school shooter did, like they’re quiet till they snapped it seems