I remember when I was leaving the theater after seeing Wreck-It Ralph with my brother, and we were both going "That was great! Just too bad they didn't do more gags with real video game characters. Maybe they'll cast a wider net if there's ever a sequel!"
And then instead of more gaming humor in the sequel, it was Disney shilling Disney, mixed with jokes about twitter and youtube.
Anyone else disappointed that the whole "video game characters hanging out when off-the-clock" aspect was dropped?
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Why did they make "buzztube" anyway? The real YouTube appears when they enter to the internet and literally everyone even kids knows that they can make money on that site,they where trying to hide the attention to that?
Cheap cash rake. Uninspired. Same mistakes Lego2 made.
My guess is that even though they DID get permission from Youtube, they didn't want to base the whole plot on something that another company owned, just in case the other company went "actually we're not cool with this."
Character Assasination : The Movie
The only thing that keeps this movie from falling into obscurity is the fact that it's a sequel to a really good movie.
This should end straight to dvd.
Also I hate how Vaneloppe goes Turbo.
? Explain
Lego 2 had soul. RBTI is just Disney jerking over all their audience.
They had buzztube operate in a very simplistic “hearts= money” way so that Ralph could earn thousands of dollars in a few hours and use it to buy the part off ebay for the sake of the plot l. I would guess that they realized everyone already knows youtube doesn’t work that way.
Also it would mean that if their Yesss character became very popular and merchandisable, it’d be a big problem if her backstory was inherently tied to youtube and they had to pay them every time they used her.
Kinda makes me realize that their other original characters in the film like Knowsmore and Shank are based on existing things they probably could’ve gotten rights to, but they chose to make up their own thing. Seems like an intentional rule they’ve set for original characters.
>wreck it ralph 2 thread
Didn't even think of it that way, but yeah.
it's okay when girl does it, user.
I wonder if any of the people who worked on it felt shame when they saw that their internet humor was barely a step above the things in Emoji Movie?
The only good thing about the movie
>We didn't feel like getting permission to use ANY game characters that weren't in the first movie, so here's a made up one
Boooooooo.
this babyface model looks ridiculous on strong independent woman
I don't even remember her name.
>the big new video game is just another racing game
Imagine if the sequel was a silly romp through online multiplayer games. Although I guess having CS:GO would be too bloody for Disney's sakes.
The sequel might as well have been titled "Exectutives Wreck Ralph". It would have been a more accurate description of why the movie exists in the first place.
There was literally no reason to return to the Ralph universe, no material to resolve or expand upon. There was nothing else to be said. It was all taken care of in the first movie, and it ended perfectly. The only way a sequel could occur is if some plot contrivance were created, something to create a conflict. But they already wrote a story where a game gets broken, and that was the first movie's plot. So the only other alternative would be for a character to WANT to create a problem. But again, the fist movie already covered that with the main villain.
Simple answer: give it the Rian Johnson treatment.
Man I really wanted them to try getting some of the smaller cash items before going to slaughter race.
>No CS or TF2 hat and knife autism
>No ruining the lives of Venezuelan gold farmers in runescape
>Not getting some rare skimpy clothes from a Korean/Japanese MMO but mistaking it for something else like a slingshot or a handkerchief since it's so small
Words cannot describe how disappointed I was to learn that the "Wreck-It Ralph discovers the Internet!" movie was more about fucking ebay and fucking youtube memes than it was about online games.
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK.
Every shot of the internet "cityscape" reminds me of pic related. What did Disney mean by this?
Honestly, just recently rewatched Wreck-It Ralph and it really felt like a love-letter to gaming in general and Arcades in particular.
Ralph Breaks the internet was not a labor of love.
After Frozen 2 who do you think will be the better Airbender, Anna or Pocahontas?
No wonder Rich Moore left Disney.
Very worrying that he won't be around to help with Zootopia 2. They apparently needed him around to go "guys, if the city is too racist then people are going to want to watch it burn, not get saved."
Wreck-It Ralph was made for fans of video games. Ralph Breaks the Internet was made for fans of Facebook Minion Memes.
Maybe they were self-aware enough to realize, oh shit, the tech-worshipping advertisement they'd been assigned to animate is proof we're living in the Megacorp dystopia of Blade Runner. Our robots are just shittier.
Wreck it Ralph 2 should’ve been about ROMs, emulation, and whether game piracy of old games is good or bad if they were going to tackle the internet.
Honestly I was looking forward to finding out if there were other versions of Ralph, Vanelope, Turbo, etc.
We saw the fate of those characters in one arcade. Is there another Arcade out there where Ralph turned bitter and truly evil? Is there a version of Turbo in some Singapore airport where he's the only game, and he's evolved into a great game?
If there's other versions of yourself out there, how do you deal with that?
Instead we got internet jokes that will age like milk in the sun.
Could have been saved if they did more interacting with other video game characters or something. But they decided to make it a lengthy version of a fututama episode we saw back in 2002. 2018 audiences were nt so into the whole
>Wow look at this whole internet here, sure is wacky, look references!
And 40 minutes in it turned into a Disney product placement movie instead of a Ralph movie. It just stops being a movie about Ralph all together so they can show off how disney owns things.
I thought it had to be changed because permanently tortured protagonist is hardly relatable, and someone was fixated on this for like two years.
I was 99% certain that the movie was going to be about how Ralph and Vanelope got lost in the huge huge internet and need to find a way to return home before the arcade opens and they are not in their games.
That was part of it, but after they did the showing of what they had to Pixar, according to interviews, the Pixar guys were saying that early-Zootopia was meant to be about Nick saving the city. But nobody watching wanted the city to be saved. Because the city sucked.
That would've been a better movie than Vanelope going Turbo and shilling for Disney.
It was dystopia, duh. They're doomed from beginning to end.
The low hanging fruit would be the MMOs and online shooter crowds. Then discovering why kids do not go to arcades any longer. Have Ralph land in a few Xbone and PS4s and see the weird settings kids have.
This.
And the overall moral of the story is, sometimes you have to give up the person you love most because you can't leave your shitty job and will be stuck there and in that small shitty town forever.
Did they get Mario like they said they would for the sequel?
The person you love most totally can ditch their shitty job though, even though that leaves other people unemployed and makes a huge mess for others to clean up.
There's "if you love them, let them go" and then there's this shitty nonsense.
They didn't because Illumination got the rights for him.
This picture is beautiful
Either way, it's the exact opposite of the moral from the first movie.
makes me want to see the previous movie even more
Pieced together from the scraps we've gotten, it was meant to end with the Gazelle concert (after she got saved) and a message of peace and harmony, with the city saved and a hopeful future.
And as that picture ( ) nicely illustrates, the Pixar staff that watched the animatics and shit were going "dude, no. 'The city is saved' isn't a happy ending when the city sucks so badly that people were being forced to wear torture devices."
I'm curious, but I'm willing to accept that the previous version probably was a trainwreck. I don't think you would've gotten the Pixar guys saying "this needs a redo-from-start" with the Disney guys actually agreeing to it if the movie had been working the way it was written.
Sometimes you have an idea of where you want to go and somehow end up walking a long distance in the wrong direction. Might see some interesting things along the way, but you're not getting closer to where you want to go.
>Ralph 2 wasnt about going on the internet and finding out that there are hundreds of other Ralphs and various videogame characters that have made their way to the internet from old arcades over the years, each with their own personalities form their own unique experiences in their arcades
>throw in some weird meta shit where they go to a VR cafe and interact with real people who dont know they are talking to sentient videogame characters
for decades, even!
which makes no sense.
Isn't the fact that the collars were dropped a major reason why Moore does not want to be a part of it anymore? He did not like his narrative being changed so much.
This was a real missed opportunity too. Ralph could have met other Ralphs who were still villains, or ones that liked their jobs and miss wrecking the building every day. And Main Ralph gets some perspective on his game and realizes what he has and what he could lose if he is not appreciative of his life.
Vanelope too, she could meet all the othr racers from unplugged games and come to the realization that she is actually lvery lucky and blessed to be in a game that kids still play and love.
Collars were Byron's idea, not Moore's.
No, Moore was brought in to FIX things and ditch the collars.
Howard came up with a nifty city where animals lived together and there was crazy shit like massive AC units and a rainforest district. Originally intended for the home city of a world-traveling James Bond-knockoff, but everyone loved the city but weren't crazy about the James Bond shit (especially since he had to leave the city). So then they just pitched plots until they hit "racism bad."
Pretty sure the reason he didn't kick up a stink over the collars being nixed is because he never had a strong attachment in the first place. It was just a plot idea that got thrown at the wall and stuck for a while before falling. He wanted his animal movie, that's what mattered.
Fuck
The giant hoard of Ralphs at the end could have been all the other unplugged homeless Ralphs that want to take over his game.
Take it even further, murder games like Slaughter Race are filled with apathetic and detached homeless racers who do not care anymore or have no sense of self worth so they join a game that kills things routinely. Past Vanelopes tend to go there and get blown up, torched, or eaten after a while. Turns out all terrible internet based games are havens for homeless arcade characters
thank god he's not making Zootwopia
I'm so glad you will never see it. :^)
I think they should have kept the collar thing. It adds a very dark undertone to the whole thing thats great.
where i can find unedited version of this picture?
Awesome idea.
This is the best pitch for a better Ralph sequel I've seen on here so far. Sounds both hilarious and freaking scary at the same time. Imagine Ralph, Vanellope, Felix, and Calhoun getting lost in a sea of their own clones or not knowing who is who. The climax of that movie would be nuts.
Plot twist is that Shank is actually another Vanellope in disguise like Turbo was King Candy in the first film. She lost her version of the game and will do anything just to have her own home and friends, forcing other characters into liking her or being who she wants them to be. That makes Vanellope realize she is going Turbo by invading and makes her not want to become like her. She learns to appreciate the game and friends she has and understands Ralph better as her friend after seeing how bad it really is being on your own. They take down her and her clones so her and the wave of homeless characters don't take over the arcade to replace them.
I had thought something like
>Ralph finding out there's a spinoff videogame series where he is the hero and there's also an entire Wreck-It family who fights again this billionaire villain who wants to build a mart over their village.
>The Ralph of that game disappears and the other Wreck-Its go to arcade Ralph and ask him to be the replacement until they find out what happened.
>Ralph experiences first hand how does it feel being the hero/main character, what with being controlled by someone else, with Felix commenting "Not so easy, huh?"
>The antagonist here turns out to be the protagonist of a never released game because their development was interrupted in favour of the Wreck-It spinoff.
>The virus from RBTI scanned his hatred and produced a replica who went destroying every game where Ralph is in
>Ralph at first wants to run away because he realized he always makes it worse for everyone around him but ultimately decide to clear the mess
>Everything is solved in the end and Spinoff Ralph returns, and says that Original Ralph is welcome in his game whenever he wants
>They end up switching games and roles routinely
I wish I never read this because it’s such a creative and entertaining idea it will piss me off whenever I choose to rewatch this garbage sequel
I think it was along the lines of skank or something.
>real people who dont know they are talking to sentient videogame characters
They could even take a stab at ... certain people.
Vanellope: "Why do you want to see my feet? EEW!!"
it really shows how disappointing big name studio have become when Yea Forums could instantly provide a better alternative idea or sequel to anything they could make these days
>There was literally no reason to return to the Ralph universe, no material to resolve or expand upon. There was nothing else to be said.
I somewhat disagree here because there's quite a but you can work with in this universe. There were some concepts talked about not too long ago about how they were planning on using the Internet as a way to show off how successful Fix it Felix became as a franchise, with Ralph even getting his own spinoff where he's actually the hero. The problem is that this movie was blatant executive meddling taken to its logical extreme. They may as well wrote the script entirely.
It wasn't even that, WIR2 was made specifically for execs and investors to jerk off to.
"Felix and Calhoun will have important roles!" - a lying liar that lied.
>Oscar nomination for best animated film
>Golden Globe nomination for best animated film
>Annie nomination for best animated film
>Critics Choice nomination for best animated film
>etc
What the fuck. Couldn’t they’ve picked some 2D movie from Japan or Europe instead?
I just wanted fun with how online games work.
Ralph and Vanelope getting into an MMO.
Ralph and Vanelope stuck in a crappy mobile game.
Ralph and Vanelope thinking that was the worst fate, only to stumble into an ancient browser game - some nonsense like QWOP.
Who the fuck wanted to see a depiction of "the real lives of Ebay auctioneers"?
don't quote me on this, but i think there was some rewrites in development. I remember i was reading interviews for wreck it ralph and the director said he was making a sequel that was exploring online gaming and stuff like that.
We should be thankful it didn't actually win any of those.
What's more likely? The people who made WiR lost all their talent and became the biggest corporate shills this side of the guys on Emoji Movie OR they started out because they had some ideas in mind for a story using the internet, and Corporate Fucks rewrote it into a shadow of itself?
Thank God for Spiderverse.
This makes me want to see whatever they had planned before the meddling. Just a taste!
Moral of the first movie: Accept yourself for who you are, whether you're someone whose job is necessary but not glamorous, or someone that's a bit "glitchy." And be accepting of other people, even if they're weird or don't have the coolest jobs.
Moral of the second movie: if you're bored with your life, go ahead and abandon your friends and responsibilities and go start over somewhere else.
The sequel is sent to a B or C team who lack the clout or personality to stop executives and lack the skills to adapt the doomed vision into something passable.
She doesnt.
Turbo actively sabotaged and took over another game.
Vanellope joining it as a playable character is no different than the homeless toons showing up in the bonus level
Her picture is slathered over the Sugar Rush cabinet. She might not cause damage to the games she's invading, but her "there's other characters to play in Sugar Rush, they'll be fine" argument doesn't hold water.
If you went to the arcade and Ryu was somehow no longer in Street Fighter II, you'd be less likely to play it. She's basically selfishly gambling with the lives of her coworkers.
And all of that plot is made even more ridiculous when the problem with the cabinet wasn't even that complex, it was just the fucking steering wheel, how hard is it to fix something like that?
If it was something like the internal stuff from the machine starting to fail for some reason then it'd be a bit more undestandable. Plus they could probably spin up some b-plot with felix trying to fix the glitches in the game instead of making him and the space marine woman just be part of a shitty gag.
What made me especially depressed is that this landed like a wet fish right after Incredibles 2 proved to be a massive disappointment.
I've learned to stop wishing for sequels. You might get the occasional Kung Fu Panda 2, but you're more likely to get something that makes a damn mess of the first movie's good ending.
I can't believe Rich Moore looked at the company that gave us fucking Minions and Sing and went "yes, that's my home now."
I mean fuck, I know Disney's rotting on the vine, but Illumination had better be giving him ALL of the creative power.
Got my fix until the new short comes out next spring.
wait, what's getting a short?
Zootopia, spring 2020.
...Dude, that doesn't say it'll be a Zootopia short, it says it'll be a short from someone that worked on Zootopia.
Kinda a big difference.
It's Sony
In-universe, it kinda raises troubling questions.
If it's okay for Vanelope to ditch her game because she's "bored," why shouldn't all the other characters in other games? Ralph was sick and tired of just always being the loser villain in the first movie, should he have just gone "Fuck it" and found another game to play in, abandoning everyone else and going "eh, they'll figure it out"? And if it's only okay for Vanelope because she's from a game with many racers, well fuck, that's kinda shitty karma for all the folks in games without enough characters to spare one.
>hopes dashed
Aww dammit. I read that totally in the wrong way. Thanks for the correction, you dream crusher .
While I loved the casual interaction of video game characters after-hours that was reminiscent of a good-old-days conversation of non-existent representatives of their era of gaming, I also find it very satisfying that those who begged for a sequel to Wreck it Ralph (which was a completely self-contained story) because it would help validate their hobby were met with something that had nothing to do with video games as they defined it whatsoever.
I'd call it schadenfreude, but I feel no shame whatsoever.
I have an advice for you.
i always liked the fan theory that there was a real king candy hiden in the code of sugar rush who turbo killed and wore his skin, hence why he has an announcer voice line.
those are pretty funny
Was WIR2 really a huge reason why Rich Moore left Disney?
on one hand, this would be great
on the other hand, its impact would be ruined by how many twist villains disnep keeps tossing out these days
we may never know
it's more likely he saw spiderverse and wanted in
Nah Lego movie 2 was good, I still liked the 1st one better but 2 wasnt just a cash grab. There was character development with a great story and theme behind it
Ok, can we talk about the fact that both THIS movie AND the first one had the exact same 2nd act "Oh wow Ralph you're actually a bad guy" and then he saves the day in the 3rd act plotline. Like almost beat for beat but with 100x less impact.
pixar and then disney pretends to be character driven, but in fact they are just the same plot.
The Choose Your Own Adventure book they released alongside the new movie had some of that. One of the paths has Vanellope stumble upon some vidya history site and encounters an incarnation of herself from an earlier title in the Sugar Rush franchise. Ends up having a "No place like home" realization while talking to herself.
He went to Sony, not Illumination
Look up some of the interviews from shortly after the first movie came out. The creators were very open about discussing ideas they were tossing around for sequels.
It also had a "route" where Ralph, instead of fucking with the Sugar Race track, invites his villain friends to "attack" Sugar Rush at night after-hours. Vanillope has fun warding off the bad guys and goes back to racing with newfound enthusiasm, averting the entire plot of the movie.
I think Byron Howard would rather direct the new original film instead of spending time on Zootopia sequel.
>user never saw google talks on zootopia
We CAN talk about it, but it's the least of the problems.
Sounds better than the movie we got.