Where did DC started to go wrong, Yea Forums?

As soon as they cancelled Super Sons

>Angels of god
>What are I?
Could be wrong, my spanish is rusty as fuck.

How do you quantify it? Answer me that, faggot. Tell me how you measure willpower.

I say this in absolute honesty, when Didio pushed Dixon out as editor of Batman. Yea Forums has been traditionally anti-Dixon but in the decades since everything 'crazy asshole bigot' Dixon accused Didio of being has been proven true. Rucka's best work was started under Dixon and slowly soured under Didio, Morrison was recruited by Dixon and not Didio, Dixon would stand up to Harass instead of sucking his dick.
I don't know about the relationship (if any) between Johns and Dixon but alot of the nepotism and sensationalism that's blighted DC can be traced back to one power struggle, Didio's one hit wonder with the original 52.

King. Please stop

Having Light rape someone isn't an inherently bad idea, but it was really weird how they treated him like his new supervillain theme was the power of rape. That's all he would talk about in every subsequent appearance. I think that's how people like those writers actually believe rapist psychology works, when really I doubt rapists actually think about what they're doing much at all let alone go around telling everyone how much they appreciate rape as some bizarre philosophical topic or something.

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>My theoretical comic company, which, for the theoretical purposes of my theoretical memoir, I’ll call Gilgongo! Comix, was tired of being “pushed around” in the sales wars and in the court of fanboy opinion (such as it was). So with all the red-nosed gumption and determination of Ralphie from “A Christmas Story” Gilgongo! Comix decided to go badass.
>They needed a rape. Because there’s nothing quite so badass as rape, lets face it. And the victim couldn’t been from the usual suspects: “The Black Raven” (done that already plus ovaries ripped out), “Bondage Queen” (wasn’t she raped like every issue–at least mentally?), “Demon-Girl” (she was already paralyzed from the last pseudo-raping and that provided all sorts of logistical nightmares for the artist).
>No, they had to find the most innocent, virginal, good-natured “nice” character they could find and ravage her not once but twice.
>Theoretically, this character’s name was Vicki Victim.
>A whole groundbreaking limited series would be built around Vicki Victim’s rape and murder. […]
>[This was] the crucial syzygy that began the chain of events that ended my career. That particular incident had to do with your dead friend and mine, Vicki Victim.
>It started with my associate editor running gleefully into our boss’s office, several boards of art in his hand.
>“The rape pages are in!”

>How do you quantify it?
>Tell me how you measure willpower.
Brain computer interfaces have existed for a pretty long time now, user. You can literally measure and quantify the will to make an object move.

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CoIE

Is this Tom King trolling Geoff Johns?

He is actually asking what the angel is...
which is even more reatarded.
The translation is something like "Angel of god what ... what are you "me?" This is clearly not written by a native speaker and would be better not have t here.

>Hal Jordan an heroes
>the gift
Agreed

It's very easy to point to the bad things and not the good things.

Like, it's obvious now that nu52 was a misstep, but at the time it seemed like a necessary evil (comic sales slump, Morrison near the end of Batman, Marvel dominating).

Who would have thought that the post-Final Crisis DCU would be the "good oldays".

Announcing Bendis was joining. After that it was like everything started to set ablaze. The BatCat Wedding was a Ponzi scheme (not to mention they revealed the twist to NYTimes before the comic came out). Dick was Ric’d. And so on and so on.

Now granted, much of it was technically planned it advance.

But it literally felt like Bendis joining DC was because someoneliterally altered or reset all of reality. Like someone went back in time and caused a butterfly effect or flashpoint and it ended with Bendis at DC and everything getting fucked.

On minute DC is based and seems to care about fans and learned their ways. Next minute they undo everything they set up and go back to their old edgy ways.

Hypercrisis?

>Having Light rape someone isn't an inherently bad idea, but it was really weird how they treated him like his new supervillain theme was the power of rape.

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Nigga, Rebirth was always a Ponzi Scheme where only one guy, the Patsy, believed in it.

Right here. This should have clued everyone there was no hope back.

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That's because superhero comics have the maturity of a twelve year old. Give them an adult concept, and they'll treat it like they just learned a naughty word.

>Dr. Manhatten has altered this reality to kill DC as revenge for Doomsday Clock

Buddy, it was obvious then. Talent walk offs, editorial chaos, firing new talent, books with no audience, shitty redesigns, plot lines that went nowhere, etc. It was a complete clusterfuck and everyone knew it.

The main problem is that DC's leadership is absolutely incompetent. They're so behind on the trends that they tried to bank on the Occupy movement YEARS after it ended. It's absurd.

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I remember when this used to be posted in god-tier comic book moment threads all the time but now the hivemind won't say King ever wrote anything well.

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Everybody knows it you dummy. Willpower means the power to keep going on no matter what. A man's level of willpower is determined by whether or not they are going to stop at varying levels of adversity.

At it's very basis, the word, "will" itself means continuing. This can be seen in someone who's suicidal and is asked the question of, "Do they have the will to live?" Which means, do they want to continue living?

Tom King, the concept of will and willpower is not that hard. It's not like we're trying to figure out the meaning of life, which is one the most abstract questions out there.

When Johns stepped down to be a regular writer and focus on movies, letting Didio and Lee do whatever the fuck they want.

>Didio's one hit wonder with the original 52
Ironic, since Didio hated 52 vehemently.

That comic poked fun about everything wrong with the modern DC.

1/4.

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I remember when people used to be wrong on Yea Forums too. In fact you still see people being wrong on Yea Forums every once in a while. Very interesting phenomenon, nobody's sure why it happens.

This is pretty much the entire Trinity dynamic to a T ever since the publication of Kingdom Come and specially Infinite Crisis.

2/4.

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When they hired Bendis.

3/4.

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Great stuffs.

4/4.

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That's what he's said since then but at the time using 52 to offer talent the opportunity to 'tell THEIR stories' with c and d list heroes was what allowed him to recruit and pad his resumé. Gotham Central and gay Renee as the Question by Rucka was a direct result of Didio being able to bank on issues he could hand out for 52 and gave him the leeway for Batwoman among others.
It's the same model he followed for the nu52 and post-rebirth only without any 'break out hits' to justify giving long title runs to his friends.

>Didio's one hit wonder with the original 52.

The way you put it puts a new clarity to a lot of his decisions. He isn't smart enough to have his own ideas, so he steals them from everyone else. Doomsday was huge? Put him in every book. Knightfall sold well? Repeat it, twice. Marvel is doing a new event? Copy it. 52 was good? Have 52 EVERYWHERE.

He's the fucking Micheal Eisner of comic books.

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>batman with big hulk gloves

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Reminder that this comic predicted the existence of Damian Wayne.

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>I say this in absolute honesty, when Didio pushed Dixon out as editor of Batman.

But Dixon was never an editor at DC. He was always a writer. And he wasn't pushed out by Didio, but rather by Mike Marts the editor on the Batbooks because he refused to do more crossovers with the other Batbooks during the looming Battle for the Cowl/Dickbats era.

>Morrison was recruited by Dixon and not Didio, Dixon would stand up to Harass instead of sucking his dick.

That's wrong. Morrison was recruited by Pete Tomasi to be on the batbooks because he worked with Morrison on the JLA title together (as assistant editor). Dixon had nothing to do with Morrison. In fact Morrison's ideas such as ousting Tim for Damien was certainly not something that Dixon would have wanted and probably played a role in him ragequitting.

New 52 ended up just being a temporal solution which culminated in Rebirth, which pretty much made all of Post-Crisis canon again minus a few details, even things they refused to recognize back in 2016 like all the Crisis, The New Teen Titans, Martian Manhunter as a founding member of the JL, the JSA or the Legion are canon now.

BEAST WARS. MOTHERFUCKING BEAST WARS. That should have clued you all motherfuckers in.

>That's what he's said since

No that's what Mark Waid had said. Didio has never said he hated it. But Didio's assholery during the publication of 52 was pretty clear that he disliked it because the writers didn't want to tie the weekly series into the One Year Later event as originally planned. So for example Didio spoiled the ending of 52 weeks beforehand in his column, vetoed the various multiverse books Rucka/Morrison/Johns/Waid wanted in order to continue their story and then going over their heads and rewriting one of their issues and apparently changing what happened to Ralph Dibny. Oh and driving the editor of 52 into the arms of Marvel midway into the project. So yes he was not a fan of 52.

>which pretty much made all of Post-Crisis canon again minus a few details
LOL! Get the fuck out of here. Nothing from the post-CoIE is canon again. What we have is a disfigured, mangled version of it that's ugly and disgusting to look at. Are you fucking crazy?

The man is a symptom of a greater disease, the suits always want a sure thing but you can never be sure in an industry that relies on innovation. Comicbooks have always prospered by 'throwing everything against the wall and seeing what sticks' but that's counterintuitive to a business person who's been trained their entire life to pursue efficiency. So what's the best way to 'trim the fat' or 'streamline our production?' You just copy an already successful formula.
Editor's have always had to juggle control of the talents eccentricities with selling the idea to corporate, the moment you have a yes man you've skewered the balance and everything goes to shit. It's happened in comics, it's happend in news, it's happened in videogames and movies. I keep waiting on this supposed rebirth of content produced grass roots free of the current industry but kickstarter just doesn't seem to get the job done.

That's why I said "pretty much". Right now everything from Post-Crisis can be canon if the writer wants. See Heroes In Crisis which had a lot of this.

Which only ammount to empty references that makes everyone scratch their heads going "Wait, how could this be canon again?" or hot new takes on classic comic story-lines and ships like a new version of Judas Contract that is pointless and stupid or teenaged Raven dating black Kid Flash.

Did you know Dan Didio also produced Beast Machines? It... actually explains a lot about why that series failed as a sequel. He explicitly told the writers to ignore Beast Wars because it was "too continuity-heavy" and let the animators ignore Hasbro designs to do their own take on the characters.

>But Dixon was never an editor at DC. He was always a writer
He was head of Batman after O'Neill
>And he wasn't pushed out by Didio, but rather by Mike Marts the editor on the Batbooks because he refused to do more crossovers with the other Batbooks during the looming Battle for the Cowl/Dickbats era
Dixon was out way before Morrison's run on Batman. I'm talking about the original JSA run.
>That's wrong. Morrison was recruited by Pete Tomasi to be on the batbooks because he worked with Morrison on the JLA title together (as assistant editor)
>Dixon had nothing to do with Morrison
Yeah the mistake here is that the actual infighting was done before 2006. Dixon was on the way out while NML was still getting published and you can chart his fall with the publication of Gotham Central. Morrison was offered Batman after Dixon was gone and when I said 'Morrison soured under Didio' I'm specifically referencing the end of his Batman run. I loved Dickbats as much as anybody but Batman Inc. and The Death and Return of Bruce Wayne were hit and miss at best.

God, I would give everything to see this animated

He also encoraged the writers to go super edgy and dark with their stories.

>He was head of Batman after O'Neill

No he was not. Bob Schreck was the head of the Batbooks after O'Neill (got fired). Dixon during that time period with Mark Waid left DC for Crossgen (an indie comic book company funded by a bunch of Wallstreet types).

>Dixon was out way before Morrison's run on Batman.

And he came back again during Morrison's tail end to write Robin and Batman&theOutsiders only to learn Tim was no longer Robin and that he had to incorporate many of the changes to the status quo that Morrison made. So he quit.

I love Booster Gold's expression. He's just like "gettin real sick of your shit Hal"

>But Didio's assholery during the publication of 52 was pretty clear that he disliked it because the writers didn't want to tie the weekly series into the One Year Later event as originally planned
As I understand the story (and I'll never really know, none of us will because this is pieced together from what Waid, Morrison, Dixon and Didio have argued over in interviews and articles during the past 15 years) Didio was brought in because he sold this idea of 52 being an opportunity to highlight younger talent and DC's B and C list stable of characters to the suits upstairs. That was the official plan, to make more money off of a bigger roster than just the trinity but the big names didn't want to have these arcs they'd planned and stories they'd been telling interrupted by a huge top-down initiative from corporate by some new asshat they barely knew.
The whole thing erupts when Dixon (and this was a story I got from him at wizardcon in 2009) gets into a screaming match with Didio over what he called 'gimmick characters' like Batwoman suddenly being shoehorned into runs (which is what started the homophobia rumours) and Dixon later ends up being lampooned in Gotham Central in a tirade by Two-Face being butthurt over Renee Montoya being queer. Morrison and Waid don't want to toe the line and now Didio is ass blasted that he's not being given the control he was promised when he got the job.
Does any of this sound like the shitshow around the nu52?

Can you quantify the will to do an action you're afraid of doing? No? Then fuck off.

>He was head of Batman after O'Neill

What the hell are you talking about, maybe he was head writer or something but he was never an editor.

Also speaking of which, anyone remember Alan Grant complaining about the editors that were overseeing No Man's Land?

>Where did DC started to go wrong, Yea Forums?

People will say when Didio took over. I'd say that's close, but I think that had he stepped down in the 00's people would debate his time running DC.

Alan Horn modifying the Vertigo contracts is definitely one point where DC went wrong.
Paul Levitz stepping down was another. I want to know what every person who was complaining about how heavy handed Levitz was back in the early 00's, thinks about DC now.
WB taking more active role in decisions about DC might be another.
New 52 was necessary due to how low comic sales were as a whole in 2010, but they lost that goodwill over the course of three years. People mindlessly defend New 52 while overlooking how bad it got later with things like Future's End, where it felt like readers stopped caring.
Doing Before Watchmen also probably hurt their standing in the eyes of creators and some fans, though on the other hand it brought out the vilest fans that pretended they had any kind of moral highground just because they believed they were defending Moore against DC.
Rebirth did seem like a recovery but since Johns wasn't taking an active role in guiding things and Doomsday Clock kept getting delayed, things fell apart, and moreso after he lost power.

>Where did DC started to go wrong, Yea Forums?

Way before you think, it certantly didn't started to go wrong recently.

>New 52 was necessary due to how low comic sales were as a whole in 2010, but they lost that goodwill over the course of three years.
They lost the goodwill a lot sooner. The reboot really wasn't necessary. You can see it when the best books ended up being specifically the ones that were already in production for the Brighetest Day relaunch, but were held up to coincide with the reboot. The ones done specifically after the reboot had become a thing were all hastly put together by editors with mishmatched writers and artists that had no heart for the project nor any intention of sticking it in for an overbearing editorial. Not to mention that the biggest sales came mostly from gimmicky stuffs like the special month issues like the #0 issues, Villain issues, and so on. Everything else especifically tied to the reboot was met with criticism and resistence. Specially editorially pushed ideas like SMWW.

The problem was that a lot of criticism overlapped. All the genuine criticisms were getting submerged by Comics Alliance Woke-Criticism (CA isn't the only one that was guilty of this) and things escalated.

>a medium for children has a child-like mentality

I'm shocked

Metal. It was the definite start

>Can you quantify the will to do an action you're afraid of doing?
Yes.
>No?
What? I said yes. You fuck off.

More like a preteen mentality, which is somehow worse.

>Does any of this sound like the shitshow around the nu52?
Ahhh, the good ol' days. When shitshows like this happened every other day. It really felt like every 3-4 days there'd be another creator shit talking DC editorial or some big controversy due to shitty editorial or editorial being shitty in general.

Amazing the whole place didn't burn down considering how incompetent they were.

Rebirth.

>Where did DC started to go wrong, Yea Forums?
When they had the opportunity to do KFC crossovers, but they didn't make every single one of their comics a KFC crossover.

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When they lost their best talent to Jemas and Queseda in early 2000s.

>were

What, who? Did I miss good early 2000s Marvel?

They drove away all the British invasion writers and then even guys like Giffen.

>"The rape pages are in!"
How the fuck haven't the idiots running DC been sued out of existance? I think only Berzaga got kicked out and only after being given a whole office area where women were not allowed in.

Plus remember that DC hired a buncha 90s Marvel rejects like Harras and Lobdell.

You realize that is just referencing the same 1987 Son Of The Demon graphic novel that Morrison shoved back into continuity with Damien, right?

Remember he said that Countdown is 52 done right.

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Even when the New52 was ahppening and I complained about it here every day, I did not think a DC reboot was a bad idea... in theory. The execution was just so poorly thought out and rushed. Plus much of the talent was leftovers from 90s Marvel. They had Rob Liefeld on a couple books for fuck's sake.

jesus. who is black reven supposed to be?

Why did they fire O'Neil anyway? Too traditional with Batman?

Amazing that the people that ran that New52 shitshow, and some ones before, are STILL pretty much in charge.

I literally predicted this when his Batman run started and wasn't "all that."

Writing Batman is a curse, because if you do one thing wrong every single DC fan (or actually Batman fan, but that's the same thing) will turn against you forever and will retroactively swear you've never done anything right and they've always hated you, regardless of how much they praised you before.

It's tragically predictable.

Black Canary. The edge's been real for a while, even before Identity Crisis.

What, good on them. The british invasion fucked comics over. Not like it made a difference...
I'll admit Giffen was a gift for Cosmic Marvel, though, and Ellis at least did Nextwave.

Pretty sure Heroes in Crisis alone would do the trick.

I'm not saying HoC is good, but pretending it's the cause of the hate is ridiculous. It was hated from the start because King became a leper after "ruining" Batman.

>Ra's keeps falling into the pit and coming bqck.
I forgot how great this series was. Maybe because I know it shows how bad regular DC books got.

Pretty sure it was hated from the premise and for being announced as a "spiritual sequel to Identity Crisis". I mean, you expected people going "YAY, more of that shit!"?

>f you do one thing wrong
Oh fuck off. Tom King did not just do "one thing wrong." And I don't care how many times you King shills bring up some retarded panel from Omega Men or whatever other slightly less shit comics he wrote in the past and point out some other retards on Yea Forums liked it. He was always bad and they were always wrong about him not being bad.

O'Neill's "friendly neighborhood vigilante" Batman wasn't edgy enough. You can chart a direct plummet from him to Dixon to Snyder to King (with a small hypercrisis bump by Morrison in between) into grimderp. King's "suicidal PTSD narcissist" Batman is the end result of a thirty year trend.

Attention starved Hal fags aren't Yea Forums and Yea Forums isn't a hivemind. Otherwise you'd hate King.

And the dude is terrible. There's nothing even good about that page other than the fact that you like it and shaners art.

Kimg a shitty writer. You can safely dismiss any of his works based on the his name alone.

To be fair, Hal is canonically the dumbest.

I thought willpower is about being fearless.

They keep on showing that willpower is about being fearless. If it is about "continiuing", then why is there powerlevel between all green lanterns?

)He doesn't know King already recanonized the original version of The Judas Contract because he needed to say some racist bullshit.

At this exact moment

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These were fuckin great

>TFW this was the last great JLA AND Avengers story.
>TFW both Marvel & DC went to shit after this.

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>I keep waiting on this supposed rebirth of content produced grass roots free of the current industry but kickstarter just doesn't seem to get the job done.

That was kind of upended with the economic collapse of 08.

Convergence. Remember that one?

Hal is a retard.

He has the IQ of a guacamole.

It's a prayer, he mispelled "mi"

That's not will. That's electrical impulses.

If will were only electrical impulses (in comics)humans would be absolute garbage lanterns. A literal toaster would be millions of times stronger than Hal.

>There's nothing even good about that page other than the fact that you like it and shaners art.
I never said I liked it or that I'm a Hal fan (or a King fan for that matter, I've only read Mr. Miracle and the issue pic related is from), just that Yea Forums as a community got their panties wet over it.. Tell me what's bad about the page since there's nothing good.

This is why it's always weird to me that Didio is deified by some. I chalk it up to company wars shit because I can't imagine looking at his track record and going "Yeah, this guy's alright."

By not sending King to mandatory therapy. Also, they should keep Bendis away from him, he seems to be a very bad influence on CIA's recent work.

Never mind that panel,
Since this one's worse.

God help us all if King gets a Lantern book again

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Did John and Guy get one?

>If comics were like reality they wouldn't make sense
Yeah, exactly. It's still will. When you move your arm you're willing it to move. When a paralyzed person uses a brain computer interface to will in the same way it receives, measures, and responds to that will in order to make an artificial arm (or whatever else is hooked up to it) to move.

What THE FUCK

it's a parody

I'm gonna point to the original Hush storyline. It was DC's first proper "blockbuster" of the 2000s and ushered in the era of storytelling which led to Identity Crisis (Didio himself once said this.)

I was just praising this last night while telling my buddy that even Superman lifted the hammer but then he couldn't.

Guys que can mean that. He's saying: Angel of God... That... That is me.

>That comic poked fun about everything wrong with the modern DC
The "modern DC" 10 years ago

I'd like to know that as well

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It was great but at the same time that final issue really was depressing on account of how much it was an accurate indictment against then-modern DC

He retired.
You're correct about Batman, but the fact remains was that O'Neil retired from the Group Editor position in 2001, so that was when he stopped overseeing the Bat-books.

I'm pretty sure Detective Comics #1000 is his indictment against any of the dark takes on Batman in the 00's and 10's, including the Snyder version.

Not a native speaker at all, but sounds like
"Angel of God
Who's my custodian, enlighten me, guard me, reign me in and rule over me."

>Everyone jacks off about Hush
>Nobody remembers Ed Brubaker's "Dead Reckoning" ,which is superior in every way

It also paved the way for Lee to become co-publisher along with Didio.

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Ask the sentient math equation who's a GL

You're quoting me something completely different. Even in that instance que means "that"

...

>Dead Reckoning
Yes, this is clearly the pinnacle of quality writing right here.
>Hush
Though to be fair, you're at least right that Hush is also crap.

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Bump

there is some spanish spoken country that use "angel of god" instead of "Mother of god"?

What...what are you "me"? what the fuck is trying to say with "me"?

Flashpoint.

This actually makes sense. It actually fits with Light's portrayal on Ostrander's run of Suicide Squad.

dumber than Guy, really?

A reboot or ultimate line isn't a bad idea. But they botched it badly. If you compare post crisis 1987 DC to New52 you can see how badly they screwed up. All of the good titles that came out of New52 could have happened without it.

My ideal for DC would be to launch an entire line retreading 80s stories (Like Symbiote Spider-Man)

is that what the teen titan scene is based on where he messes with raven?

...

Dude I'm native speaker and that make even less sense,"that is me" is in no way translation for "Que eres me". he might have wanted to use "aquel onions yo" which is less broken.
If that even is what he wanted to say... IN the end that is at best broken Spanish that has not place being there.

He was joker gassed in alt universe

I think Guy was there, he said something along the lines of "why wasn't I first?".

What's the context here?

...

Fortitude. Grit. Persistence.

user it’s more like 15 years ago

When he came back.

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The latinamerican catholics had many prayers asking for guidance and protection to his "guardian angel". Here is a list of them: devocionario.com/varias/angeles_1.html
King is just misspelling one of them. Changing the "mi" (possessive pronoun) with a "me" (reflexive pronouns).

I honestly wish they just brought him back in jla avengers, it would’ve been amazing if the book ended with Wally finding Barry in the marvel universe

>Tell me how you measure willpower.
It's measured by your ability to overcome fear, and Hal has experienced fear the least out of all the other lanterns( I think once or twice), making him the strongest one.

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>Enough willpower to overcome hardset rules of the ring
>But not enough to overcome Joker gas.

>It's measured by your ability to overcome fear
No, that's a secondary requirement for wielding the ring.

And you could have it all
My empire of dirt
I will let you down
I will make you hurt

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>experienced fear the least out of all the other lanterns
I get what you're saying but this is wrongly phrased. GLs have just as much fear as anyone else, they overcome it, which isn't the same thing as having less.

>secondary requirement

Not him, but all the ring says where he picks someone is "you have the ability to overcome great fear" that's it. Don't know why you should say it is a secondary thing when you literally pulled it out of your ass.

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Add Green Lantern Rebirth and I think we're done.

That's the most important aspect for their recruitment, since their main enemy uses fear as a weapon, but actually using the ring requires three things
>Willpower
>Imagination
>The ability to overcome fear
Enough of any one of these will make the ring work, but you'll take to it more naturally with all three.

>>Imagination
No way in hell Hal woulda been chosen.

I hate the
>What if superman got tired of saving the world?
bits, almost as much as I hate the
>What if superman was evil?
bits

Who is he raping?

He wasn't, Hal was given his ring.

Tom King needs to stop projecting his dad onto every male character he writes.

More supervillains should rape. Am I really supposed to believe an evil man with powers isn't raping womem left and right?
Rape should be the the number 1 occupational hazard for super heroines in those outfits.

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I actually work at a research lab that does BCI stuff, and I can attest that willpower can be quantified as beta/(alpha+theta). What is difficult/impossible is quantifying imagination, which is why we'll never have a proper BCI powered Green Lantern game

You know how paedophiles in prison get a rougher time than most? I feel like a more respectable supervillain would have put Light's head on a pike before too long.

DC is so fucking stupid

In the recent HJ+GLC run, during a fight, Guy made a hardlight car so he could slam someone's head in the door repeatedly. He's the smartest GL ever as far as I'm concerned.

Respectable supervillain? What villain would care if someone was a rapist. Its impossible to believe they haven't all raped.

>What villain would care if someone was a rapist
Two-Face, half the time. Mr. Freeze. The Riddler. Most villains that have been on the Suicide Squad.

Most villains are just in it to show off or for the money. They'd look down on a rapist like everyone else looks down on them.

I still haven't been given an answer as to why that page has apparently shitty writing. And actually pisses me off as a Superman fan.

Taskmaster would 100% not rape someone and would think rapists supervillains are weird freaks.

tbf dumb shit like that happens all the time in alternate universes. the problem is that king would totally write that into a canon GL story if he could get away with it

I hate King with the fury of a thousand suns, but that page is pretty fucking cool. Shame it's an exception and not the rule.

>What villain would care if someone was a rapist
Pretty much any of the females. And any Supervillain that is in a committed relationship, like Punch and Jewlee.

Lex Luthor has raped and many villains work for him

I'm only finding porn with that search, who did he rape?

>any of the females
Female villains are the biggest rapists of all. Nightwing has been raped like 4 times

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Fuck off, DiDio. Regular criminals kill rapists and pedos in jail all the time.
Besides, pretty sure Flash's rogues have a code of conduct, too.

Women can't rape. Silly user. If a man has an erection it's consensual.

Sinestro would kill anyone who raped Soranik.

Actually, immediately after this, Booster Gold laughed and said, "That...was...AWESOME!!"

That's a whole fucking lie

The hell is wrong with Green Lantern Rebirth?

Parallax retcon.

Barry and Hal coming back are the true end of Post-Crisis continuity. The third generation heroes that had been built up over the past ~20 years would now fall one by one. Keep in mind that Crisis on Infinite Earths didn't restore Jay Garrick and Alan Scott to their positions as the flagship of their franchise. It didn't de-age Dick Grayson do he could continue being Robin.

Bringing back Hal and Barry is the beginning of the end of a relay race of character continuities that began in the 60's when the silver age heroes started up. There was a time when each generation of readers had "their" version of certain characters and honestly I think that was a core component of DC comics up until the 00's when this all started to fall apart.

The difference to me is that bringing Hal back didn't really matter much because people kept debating about whether it was a good or bad thing they did to his storyline (and they still kept Kyle), but bringing Barry back, making his backstory tragic, AND causing the reboot is the real end of Post-Crisis.

Didn't the yellow lantern corps gang rape one of the red laterns

I believe that was the faction that joined Mongul. I still think Sinestro would kill anyone who raped Soranik specifically, even if he can abide members of his army being rapists.

What is King's fucking infatuation with suicide? When will he finally go through with his own?

Insane costumed supervilllains arent regular criminals.
Plus lots of them were betas before gaining powers. I feel like the first thing most super villains do upon gaining their power is rape someone.

I know one red lantern, I want to say Bleez, was repeatedly raped and mutilated by a Sinestro Corpsman. But part of her origin also involved killing that guy, so it's not like Sinestro could have punished him anyway.

>lol they're supervillains they should act super rapey
Spoken like a true rapist wishing for super powers to live out their fantasies.

Its really not a personal thing its just human nature. If you were evil and suddenly you had the power to rape anyone you wanted give me one reason why you wouldn't. You'd probably rape someone within a year at the most.

And steal Simon's only defining shtick?

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HiC was hated from the start for being yet another shitty event with a dumb premise headed by hacks. Anyone with half a brain and previous experience with those kind of events knew it would predictably be another dumpster fire, and look at it burn now!

The tide turned against King over time (Batman run getting stretched out, constantly pointing out how suicidal characters are, the Wedding that wasn't) but I think Heroes in Crisis was the tipping point because with the Batman stuff you could claim that it's just Batman fans.

>including the Snyder version.
Shit, I meant Zack Snyder, I keep forgeting that saying Snyder could mean either him or Scott.

It's not an event. The only real problem with it aside from existing are the characters that died and what happened to Wally that will be part of his character until someone or something retcons it. Too many people give the comic too much attention. It's like with Ric Grayson. Everyone knows that's going to be reversed and forgotten in a year or two.

>Villains murder countless people
>blow up planets and shit
>do all manner of tortures and poisonings to the people
But rape is just simply too evil. That's where a respectable villain draws the line.

It's as much an event as Identity Crisis was.

>The other reactions to this page
Holy shit, literally no one on Yea Forums reads comics these days.

user, Identity Crisis wasn't an event either. They're miniseries. Infinite Crisis was an event because it had ongoings tie into it and had minis and one shots. Same with Final Crisis. Same with Flashpoint. Same with Forever Evil. Same with Metal. Those were events. HiC and Identity Crisis are not events.

Do people seriously think anything that involves a lot of characters is an event these days? Even if they have nearly no qualifications to be called it?

user just because a book doesn't have tie-ins doesn't make it not an event. Contest of the Champions, Secret Wars and COIE didn't have tie-ins the way modern events do and they're still obviously events. Identity Crisis was the rebirth of events of at the big two.

What exactly was the issue that Dick left Babs for Kori?

I'm out of the DC loop since Bendis. Two question, did Bendis hurt or help sales? Also what is Year of the Villain I sometimes see pop up?

When they switched from pulp noir to capeshit

For Superman? Lower sales relative to where Rebirth was at, I think.

Naomi had low orders for the first issue but had some kind of interest so it's selling well for a lower-tier title.

The Leviathan event started, but the Superman special that was a prologue to it had low numbers.

There are so many miniseries that can be considered an event if you wanted to go by stuff like that. Crossovers and self contained stories that have repercussions in other titles are very commonplace. There are even mini events that happen for only a specific number of titles. The Venom crossovers are closer to actual events. You have the various Inhumans vs X-Men comics that are more like events. HiC isn't close to any of that. It's a miniseries, plain and simple.

>if you wanted to go by stuff like that
...you know that those books are considered the start of event comics, right? They are definitively the things to go by. And, yes, those mini-events are still events. We as comic fans live in an era of an overabundance of events and that doesn't change the fact that they're events, some are just bigger than others. In terms of marketing I wouldn't say HiC is a mini-event either.

>The british invasion fucked comics over.
This. Thank God Geoff Johns is saving the medium from those awful Brits. Watchmen is shit and
JSA is the peak of comics.

This sequence would be perfect if it was a drunk Guy.

You need to have actual distinctions between events and miniseries. Is Rage of Ultron an event? Is Spider-Man: Family Business an event? Is Green Lantern Rebirth an event? Are Marvel's Legacy one shots considered an event? Is the current Freedom Fighters an event? Because you have a broad idea of what an event is. You can make a case for stuff like the Venom and Carnage being events, even though the interactions with ongoings are minimal in some cases as their tie ins were just minis.

>I'll admit Giffen was a gift for Cosmic Marvel, though

Giffen isn't British, you stupid casual

The comment he was replying to was >They drove away all the British invasion writers and then even guys like Giffen.
>and then even guys like Giffen
>guys like Giffen
>Giffen

What a dick

Marketing and affect on the universe are the distinctions and both HiC and Identity Crisis fit the bill. We wouldn't be in this period of constant events if IC and (arguably) Avengers Disassambled didn't set the dominoes off.

Go back to sleep Gordon.

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You sure are edgy for a 13 year old.

Killing and torturing can serve a purpose, even have a decent excuse, destroying a planet can be pretty impersonal. Rape is too low and disgusting.

The first thing they do is robbing banks, usually. Once they have money getting tail is easy.

It's like I'm trying to explain things to millar.

Its naive to think super villains wouldn't rape. What makes them villains is that they use their power to take whatever they want. Are you telling me all these villains are just asexual as fuck? They don't see a helpless sexy super heroine in a ripped up spandex body suit and get a raging hate boner?
If they wanted to make their enemies suffer raping them seems like a pretty good way to do that. You can heal injuries but you can't be unraped.

Sounds like wishful thinking of yours to think a rapist villain wouldn't be killed on the spot even by its peers.

If you're native then you would know what I'm saying is right. Que can also be how. I don't know what part of Mexico you grew up that you don't know that

>dumb premise
The premise of Superheroes seeking therapy and dealing with stress isn't dumb. It was just really horribly handled in HiC.

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also they would obtain sexual blackmail over all super heroes when they capture them to use as leverage against the heroes and also to demoralize the public.

This.

There was absolutely no need for the murder plot. Somebody leaking the tapes and the heros freaking out, plus the villains reaction would have been awesome.

>Where did DC started to go wrong, Yea Forums?
When Johns tried to salvage Justice League.

When DC started to copy Marvel.

Why is grifter stood with the league in the bottom right? Never understood that

you seems to have a fantasy view of criminals. Sure there are some child rapist that do get killed in jail but not and. And definitely not all rapists are harmed by their "peers", what is more likely to happening prison is for them to be raped themselves.
Criminals aren't morally beacons of hope who just happen to have made a wrong step on life user.

>Criminals aren't morally beacons of hope who just happen to have made a wrong step on life user.
But not all of them are the lowest of the low. The fact a lot of them have mothers, sisters or daughters, for instance, gives them some perspective. When a penitentiary runs out of space, which ones do you think are the first they personally kill off?

>you seems to have a fantasy view of criminal
Lol. As a man raised by a methamphetamine enthusiast you're full of shit. Criminals are (surprisingly enough) a pretty conservative bunch. In prisons the rapists and pedophiles are on the bottom of the food chain available to be preyed upon by anybody. Then you get the white collar crime and grifters (who think they're so fucking smart) then the 'normal' thieves and druggies with the muscle (robbers and killers) at the top, because robbing somebody at gun point is honest (you've got skin in the game).
Prison culture defines criminality.

Rape can count as torture. If torture is excused, so is rape. Next.

All rape is torture, not all torture is rape. You tried.

>Where did DC started to go wrong, Yea Forums?
Tom King and Bendis.

If torture is okay, then all torture is okay, then rape, form of torture, is okay.

AKA flashpoint

>There was a time when each generation of readers had "their" version of certain characters and honestly I think that was a core component of DC comics up until the 00's when this all started to fall apart.

This. DC went on a decadent binge fulfilling the whims of their editorial and writing staff while ignoring the readership they already built up.

It left them in a bind when the old neckbeard money started to dry up and they found themselves unable to connect with modern audiences.

apparently Hulk is currently outselling Batman and Superman,

Oh so J’onn is back to being a founder? Did Synder retcon it?

>Oh so J’onn is back to being a founder?
He has to be. Cyborg is too young to have been a founding member outside of the New 52's 5 year timeline.

Generally supervillains are defined by one or more of the following motivations
>They're in it just for the sake of pulling off crimes. The money and power is nice, but the theatrics are the most important thing
>They have some kind of point to make
>They're "professionals", mercenaries or whatever
The "take over the world" or "society owes me" kind of villains are actually quite rare.
Most see something like rape as basic thuggery.
Luthor would rather charm or bribe some hapless woman than use force.
Joker would look at rape as the work of hacks.
Captain Cold would never get involved with rapists and would kill any rogue that tried it.

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You are a retard lol just because your daddy was a methhead doesn't make you an expert in criminal psychology. In fact anything your tweaker daddy told you was probably delusional meth lies. He probably raped some tweaked up whore himself.
Super villains are in it because they are evil and crazy. Many of them have raped in canon already. And the ones who havent rapes on screen have raped off it.
If you think these slaughterers of men are going to feel moral about rape you are a dumb dumb for real.
Lex Luthor kept a girl as his rape slave

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>Super villains are in it because they are evil and crazy.
Evil and crazy is very broad.

I think rape falls within the categories tbqhwy famalam

What ended up being of The Authority? at some point i had to look away.

Identity Crisis. Any time after that and people are being dishonest or are too new