What exactly is Lex asking of the general population here?
He encourages the population to reject Justice and embrace Doom, but what does that mean exactly? Is he asking you to just be a selfish prick who cheats on your wife and shoplifts and slacks off at your workplace? Or is he hoping to inspire some Ted Bundy type mass murderers?
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I feel like the population of DC’s earth at large should be rolling their eyes and turning off their screens as soon as Lex popped up at this point.
He wants to destroy the entire idea of being a decent person. No kindness, no cooperation, just total self-serving violence at the expense of everyone around you. All this because he's convinced the world can't be saved and wants to prevent the heroes from being able to prove him wrong.
While I don't think total anarchy is unrealistic in a situation such as this, what is Lex's end goal in telling the population to go apeshit since the universe is ending? Is he just trying to fuck with the Justice League again?
And wouldn't most people hearing this guy talk about this think "Oh that's crazy, the Justice League will figure it out like they did the last 20 times our world almost ended though."
Lex just resubscribed for Final Fantasy XIV Shadowbringers and is really excited about being the Warrior of Darkness.
The idea is not bad per se, but a speech from Luthor cannot be enough to make everyone evil, even in the face of the end of the world.
He's gonna pissed when he realizes WoD is as much of an altruistic doormat as in the last 3 games. And that Solus is fulla beans.
The most recent thing the general public would remember about Lex Luthor is that he was recently a member of the Justice League. So maybe his words would carry a bit of weight? He's usually pretty good at keeping his criminal activities hidden from the public eye.
But I have to wonder if it's doesn't rob him of credibility to be standing side-by-side with a group of villains? The public would be well aware of who Grodd, Cheetah and Sinestro are -they would be considered dangerous terrorists. Lex has made a point to keep his image clean -these guys haven't. And Brainiac himself would be widely known as an alien threat who has almost destroyed the world on multiple occasions.
It's great that they just saved the world from Mr. Mxy, but would Lex have any credibility at all standing side by side with these publicly hated figures? If he hadn't been betrayed by Joker and Black Manta, they'd have been there too.
His goal is to prevent the Justice League from saving the day because he's gone full retard thinking the world is doomed and doesn't want to leave any room to be proven wrong. His ego is so massive he doesn't even want to be wrong about things that would literally kill him to be right about.
Is Mera part of the JL or is she still the guest that won't go away
I don't know what he means in this exact speech, but he tends to relate "being a villan" with a mixture of Ayn Rand and Nietzsche's philosophy
So painfully lame...
"You must all be villains!"
"What does that even mean, Mr. Luthor?"
"It means I'm paying you all a million dollars and some superpowers to go out in the streets and shout: Lex Luthor has won the argument with Superman"
>What exactly is Lex asking of the general population here?
to become libertarians and pursue self-interest rather than collectivism.
Holy shit, based Lex
There are different levels of evil though. I'd imagine even Lex would be pretty disgusted by someone like Victor Zsasz who kills indiscriminately. Actually, all the characters in the Legion of Doom would be disgusted by Zsasz, barring Brainiac who simply wouldn't give a shit.
So while Lex seems to be encouraging people to be amoral and selfish, I doubt he'd want everyone to become serial killers, after all what would that accomplish? That begs the question, where does one draw the line, when encouraged to "be evil"? Someone like Deathstroke might be an evil person, but he still holds himself to his own personal standards and lives by the morals HE thinks are important -fulfilling a contract, for example. Penguin might be a criminal, but he still thinks it's important to conduct himself like a gentleman and act with class and manners.
Asking people to "be evil" is pretty ambiguous request to being with, even before you get into the idea that everyone will have their own personal interpretations to what they consider to be evil.
Cooperation is how we evolved as a species though. One dude can't solo kill a mammoth. If you're not willing to cooperate with others and work together, that mammoth doesn't get killed and your family doesn't get fed. Shit, Lex himself in this picture is working with a group of other people.
I think it's more of a message for selfishness, not actual "evil" persay, but the things that the society would consider evil, he is asking for people to act on egoist desire and leave aside the altruistic nature that the heroes have demonstrated, atleast that's how I've chosen to interpret it.
Ayn Rand lacked the philosophical maturity to go the places Lex is going, for one, she wouldn't support of the anarchist system being established, she also would've kept lexcorp alive.
Realistically, this isn't going to work, since it's the DC Earth we speak of, this shit is every day for them, another headline for Jimmy to chase, another menace to stop and sell issues, still good words.
Cooperation ≠ Dependency.
Luthor used to talk about that with Superman, i don't know if they've rewritten his Nietzschian values, but it still works for him to do this.
you know the whole thing that World Forger was trying to prevent was the eagle or whatever judges the universes to not destroy the universe for being unjust, Perpetua was trying to make an army to fight this judgement,Lex is just making the army for Perpetua now.
Also I don't remember where he mention why it's called the legion of doom but just from a simple google search for Doom's etymology "Originally in a neutral sense, a decision determining fate or fortune, irrevocable destiny." he is causing doom in this way
How exactly is "being a villain" going to help people save themselves if the universe is dying?
>The most recent thing the general public would remember about Lex Luthor is that he was recently a member of the Justice League
Also the fact that he's a former President of the United States.
It's not.
It's about saving their ego.
It's about giving in to the selfish desire, as to save oneself by dying a free man.
Is that even canon anymore? I can't keep up nowadays.
>The Justice League broke the protective wall at the edge of the Multiverse
Why is it that everyone in this run keeps blaming the JL for that while conveniently neglecting to mention the fact that it was the only way to save the Multiverse from getting swallowed up by the Dark Multiverse? It's especially weird because Snyder wrote that too.
He saw a future governed by no morality where humanity had become the race ruling over the stars and that's what inspired his view. So, yes, he thinks that everyone becoming assholes will push humanity forward.
why doesn't Sinestro have his old look? where is his corps?
That's not really surprising from Luthor at least.
This doesn't make any sense, how could a society of selfish assholes possibly cooperate and become an empire? They'd kill each other.
I think the distinction can be made between common criminal and supervillain. I think Luthor is encouraging the latter. Basically instead of killing and stealing, you build a robot or enslave demons to kill and steal for you. Go big, be the guy stepping on people in a giant homemade mecha instead of the guy being stepped on by said mecha
Sinestro now uses the Ultraviolet Power Ring, powered by the negative impulses that most people try to keep hidden.
America is doing pretty good
Did an editor die to make this horrid shit get to print?
No longer canon.
Why is Sinestro even going along with this? He wants order, how is convincing everyone to be an evil selfish asshole something that goes with his ideals?
It's retarded. Quality villain writing should never have the villain going around saying how villainous they are. Cringy and hamfisted. Could at least have him be like Ozy where he's orchestrating horrible crimes against humanity in secret for the sake of averting an even worse problem. Going on TV and making a speech about how being bad is good is just incredibly garbage writing.
Source?
>a mixture of Ayn Rand and Nietzsche's philosophy
That's really vague though, since both of them laid down a general philosophy without preaching specific actions like the schemes Lex obsesses over.
Private defense agencies.
The way I read it, he's mostly saying
>don't do what the Justice League says!
>they'll call you a villain just for disagreeing them
>therefore you shouldn't condemn me and my cohorts for being considered villains, because we're in the same boat as you!
It's not so much about making the people do destructive things, it's more about foiling the Justice League and also attempting to save his own face by softening what "villain" means.
Justice League have doomed Earth time and itme again to pain and suffering because they have to be the "heroes" who swoop in and "save the day" everywhere, even if it's not in their own galaxy.
They piss everyone in existence by trying to be the "defenders of the world" but they really just want to swing their big dicks around. Fuck you if you aren't from their world though, unless something personally threatening to them happens to you, you can die.
Sound like a certain country you know?
Conflict tends to bring out impressive achievements. It's not the most happiness for the most people, but it's a good motivator to make people strive to do better than their neighbor.
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Makes sense in an amoral way.
It was retconned that he had been searching for the invisible spectrum ring all along, even before his original yellow ring.
That's how every widely-respected power with lots of allies works throughout history.
Burgers honestly think their sins are the only ones that matter.
>Sound like a certain country you know?
Andorra!
CURSE YOU ANDORRA!
>forgetting being president of the united states, king of Lexor and yo-yo dieter.
Snyder's Justice league.
So basically Snyder is just making Lex into Libra from Final crisis where he's preaching the virtues of Evil.
>president of the united states
It's questionable at best if that's even canon anymore. I think there have been a couple of minor references to his presidency recently, but given the current timeline, when could he have possibly been President? There was no reference to him being President at all in the New 52 or during his time with the Justice League. Shit, even in Snyder's current run in the pages posted in this thread Lex is saying shit like "you may know me as the world's smartest man, inventor, scientist, former member of the Justice League" etc. But there is no mention of him being a former President. Surely that would be the first thing he'd mention?
>king of Lexor
Doubtful that's been canon for a long time, and even if it was the people of Earth wouldn't know about it.
>yo-yo dieter
Kek. I think the canon around character's physical appearance can be a bit fuzzy and we are expected to look past it to a certain degree. Amanda Waller looked like a supermodel in the New 52, and was then returned to her more iconic lardass figure only relatively recently. Ted Kord was a teenager in his brief appearance in Forever Evil, but now he's middle aged somehow.
LEX LUTHOR: YEAR OF THE VILLAIN #1
written by JASON LATOUR
art by BRYAN HITCH and ANDREW CURRIE
Apex Lex has made his offer to the villains of the DC Universe…but has the super-powered evil genius gotten what he truly desires? The most deadly predator in the Multiverse has set out to answer that question by seeking out his counterparts on other Earths. But will this meeting of the Luthors be the greatest team-up in all of creation…or end in a bloodbath?
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>president of the united states
Didn't he finish off his term with trying to drop a supermassive kryptonite meteor on the earth?
Great, more edgy Forever Evil 2.0 bullshit from Didio. I can hardly wait.
Lex recently fucked up Batman's body with the Totality and Batman had to spend time in a full body cast afterwards. I think they used Mr. Terrific tech to heal him.
So if Mr. Terrific tech and a full body cast can restore him, why is it an issue that in King's run Bane broke his back again? Couldn't they use the same cast and tech to heal him once more? Bane breaking him can't be more severe than getting his whole body shattered by Luthor.
Just like the Purple Healing Ray doesn't work on damage caused by gods, Mr. Terrific's tech doesn't work on injuries inflicted by Big Guys.
panel four, "o no, what now speedracer?"
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I wouldn't read too deeply into Luthor's "philosophy" or what his aim is supposed to be. Pretty much what's happening is
>I'm Scott Snyder, and I want to have all the heroes fight all the villains!
>I could use the Injustice Gang or the Secret Society, but I always thought "Legion of Doom" from the Superfriends cartoon sounded cool
>Hmm, I wonder what the villains' plot and motivation for teaming up should be…
>Hey, one team is called "Justice" and one team is called "Doom"… I'll try to arbitrarily and clumsily re-interpret the meaning of those words so that they are antonyms
>Uh, let's see… Justice is an ideal… it's about, uh, striving to impose order and morality on the world, and in order to do that, we have to better and perfect ourselves
>So, I guess I have to define "Doom" to be the opposite of that… uh, "Doom" is about not striving for a higher ideal, and just indulging in your selfish desires and being an asshole
>So, Lex wants everyone to be an asshole and become a supervillain
>Why? Uh, he had a vision that Earth becomes a space empire when everyone does this!
>I've done it again! Another deep, meaningful, epic story about a clash of ideals and ideologies and what it means to be human and shit. No wonder I'm DC's current superstar writer! Now lets watch all the heroes and villains punch each other!
>Is he asking you to just be a selfish prick who cheats on your wife and shoplifts and slacks off at your workplace?
He wants you to go full Rick Sanchez even though you lack the science god plot armour acumen to get away with being one
But they fixed dark warrior so it's fine.
So, did Scott Snyder reuse this plot point twice, in two comics that were release within a month of each other?
I haven’t read DC for a while, when the fuck did the source wall get destroyed?
It doesn't work.
Ultimately all recent conflicts reach a point where people feel they should stop.
That point wouldn't exist in Luthor's vision. It would go until the enemy is COMPLETELY obliterated and without nuclear armaments or viral/chemical warfare that takes a LOOOOONG time. Earth would become War World.
Why do you think it's reused instead of just being two references to the same event of Lex Luthor telling everyone to be a villain? I think Snyder's a shit writer but not because of that. It seems pretty consistent with how Lex apparently saw the future where his make everyone a villain idea made the world a better place and that other comic is where his same make everyone a villain idea destroyed the world. It introduces ambiguity on which direction his idea would actually take the current world and whether or not he really understands what he's doing.
>no warsuit
I don't like it.
>No warsuit
Because this simply isn't Lex Luthor.
It SHOULDN'T work but the writers will still force it to work anyway.
why does he want to copy superman so much. Is lex a huge superman fan and he is too highschool girl to admit it?
user, have you SEEN the entire movie and know what that character's done by this point? Seriously, he's probably the scummiest Noir villain that isn't a girl.
>This doesn't make any sense, how could a society of selfish assholes possibly cooperate and become an empire?
Ask Rome.
We can't because they were unsustainable.
Superman: 3,158
Lex Luthor: 0
What I want to know is why the fuck would anybody care/believe any of this shit? A normal person has no fucking clue what the wall even is. Or have any reason to believe such a thing existed and the JL broke it and Lex is telling them the truth about it.
>Hurr Durr comic books are so realistic nowadays
>This doesn't make sense. It doesn't happen in real life.
In the same way canon must be warped, and Batman's entire character be bent around the narrative necessity of not killing the Joker, so too must Lex be distorted in service of the narrative necessity of exalting Superman.