What's the difference between god and metahuman supposed to be anyway ?

How ?

What even makes the New Gods gods? Orion needs his harness to access the astro-force. Mr. Miracle needs a mother box or his circuitry to do most of his escape artistry. Seems like most of them have mild super-strength and then some kind of technology.

Whats the difference between "Mutates", Mutants, Inhumans, and Eternals?
not just by concept by narratively
cause they always seem similar

Gods tend to be immortal and sometimes auto-resurrect themselves.

Arent all the other New Gods on New Genesis and Apokolips just ordinary non-powered regular old humans anyway. That just so happen to be called Gods because reasons.

Attached: 46465488.jpg (712x541, 101K)

I'm not to sure but God's generally can't die. They seem to always be reborn.

Ordinary aliens that stole power from the dying Old Gods according to canon.

In most universes there's a gap in power, but in the DC universe a lot of metahumans are bottom tier gods.

Attached: dc universe in a nutshell.jpg (640x358, 32K)

Kryptonians are genetically engineered to a insane fucking degree that they all come out perfect specimens with perfect hair, perfect waistlines, perfect memory etc.

J'onn is just a totally random martian that happens to be alive today. Shayera is a Thanagarian police officer with combat training. Plus she has a Nth metal harness, only Wingmen get those. In the silver age she was engineered to be capable of hanging out in outer space for about ten minutes, something the average non-Wingman Thanagarian does not have. Neither are paragons of their spscies.

Don't be an idiot, no two piece of fiction use the same rules for what a 'god' is. If someone didn't read new gods it's a legit question. Animated appearances of the characters don't make it very apparent.

Natural powers do not make a god. Gods are something entirely different. They are eternal and inevitable, irresistible and unmovable. They are the beginning and the end, the alpha and the omega. They are something above powers. A good example of this is when Superman gives Darkseid the world of cardboard speech great speech btw. After all of that Darkseid bitchslaps him into next week.

Well, that's how it is traditionally anyway. Not all writers are going to follow tradition.

Well humans in that they are no different from a regular Earth human. Just as squishy and frail with no actual superior abilities or strength whatsoever.

Yea most of their stuff is technology based. Even Darkseid back in the day was tech based and dependent on element-X for his powers. Lightray got his powers from an accident like half the superheros out there.

Superman seems to be physically superior to most gods he encounters. He just has trouble if they have some other more magical type powers they can use to fuck with him.

Think of it like this:

A metahuman with fire powers can make a single flame at a time and chuck it at someone.

A god of fire can control the size, shape, and heat of every flame on Earth.

It's just supposed to frame them as figures of power and mystery.
They will eventually be at the mercy fo the Black Racer, just like everyone else.

Seeing how Superman regularly brawls with the "fucking gods"? Yes

There's a reason Superman has been thought of as a good in many incarnations and his dozens of powers and long life span and coming back from the dead definitely gives him that appearance. But I'd still say he's not quite on the level of other gods. Don't judge a god purely on power but rather what they can accomplish. Superman can do a lot. Gods can do a lot more. Even high level magical beings and demons can boast being able to do more.

Attached: superman saves connor 1.jpg (3975x3056, 2.59M)

Let's confuse thing even more, what about Kryptonian God's? Wasn't their sun god a villain in a story that killed Superbro that later gave us pre Flashpoint Superman into the main universe?

There's no hard line. God is what people call a race of seemingly impossibly more powerful consciousness(es).

>what's the difference between god and metahuman? One is a god and the other is a metahuman, DUH!

Gods are living personifications of an element or idea. They're inherently supernatural beings.

Superman is a biological creature.

a god is a god and metahuman is like a mutant

On a small scale you can say Superman is a god but his impact is limited in that he does 90% of his work on Earth and has only done so for under 40 years. Meanwhile you have those older than time that will exist long after Earth is gone doing what they usually do. So Superman has yet to prove he can even be on that level unless you want to include any alternate universes or times where he temporarily achieves a power that rivals or surpasses a god.

Attached: superman saves connor 2.jpg (1988x3000, 767K)

Wasn't it explained that the first pass of the God wave created the gods, second bounce metahumans, 3rd regular humans?

They are supposed to be the single most technologically advanced species ever. And their stuff looks like magic of the gods when it's billions of years old technology that lets them play with the universe.

Only, it never looks like that when you see it. Kryptonian and Oan stuff almost always looks like it's way more advanced and capable of a lot more. Coluan should by all rights be more advanced too since they are the smartest smart guys ever but always fall short. and even Earth is capable of making people more powerful on an individual basis with what's around from all the evil scientists and villainous organizations.

Captain Atom, Brother Eye, Amazo, Monarch, Captain Comet, all seem ridiculously fucking powerful compared to all New Gods short of Highfather and Darkseid.

In the end it's all about scale and lasting effect. Gods are infinite in this aspect in many ways. Although we have seen gods humbled by heroes and villains, it's usually a temporary thing and they bounce back. Even from death. And while comic characters tend to do that as well, it's nothing like the capabilities of a god in that department.

Attached: superman saves connor 3.jpg (1988x3056, 1.3M)

No, the god wave only gives birth to Gods. A god way gave us the God's of our mythologies, until they all died in a big battle that gave birth to the New Gods.

I think it's more like
>A Metahuman is a physically normal human with the ability to create and shoot fire
>A God is an immortal being that stops aging around 30, is capable of surviving in space, can go months without eating, drinking or sleeping, can lift 10-50 tons, and can also create and shoot fire

So in DC there is no real difference, just however the writers feel?

Yes, the bounce back of the god wave hit Earth a second time and created the capacity for superpowers in humans.

See

Gods come from the dreaming.
Metahumans is just an umbrella term used to refer to superhumans, even if those superhumans have different reasons for their superpowers.

Think it was the second hit caused the ability to use magic and the third created the ability to be metahumans

So God's are below Dream of the endless?

No idiot, metahumans are mortal and Gods are divine. Their divine nature comes from a higher reality.

Yea, going by the Vertigo version of them. They were created by the belief of mortals. So they are creatures birthed from the dreaming and then moved on to their own realms.

Yeah, as explicitly said in The Sandman.

I always assumed Jack Kirby was effectively saying that these were the Gods (mythological figures) or today: comic book heroes. That's why despite the stories including intrigue surrounding bloodlines and warlords you have most of these characters gaining power through pseudo-science and technological means, rather than birth-rite. Contrast that with his work with the asgardians in Thor, who have many similarities to the New Gods, but more closely the mythological beings of old.

Kind of but not in the way you said it. More like individual writers wanting them to be something huge and powerful, and others not being able to think big at all and portraying them as much more than space men with fancier ray guns.

Morrison wants them to be fantastic huge universal cosmic abstracts that for some reason no one can explain, like to take the form of costumed people on two planets in the 3rd dimension with varying levels of power depending on who much they invest in their physical shells.

Other writers are huge fans of the "Aliens so advanced that they appear to be gods in the eyes of Earthmen" so they write all powers as something one of their motherboxes accomplish. and make everything technology based, and portray them as fallible regular humans in space.

Writer bullshit, mostly.

Remember that time that killing Darkseid fucked up the entire mutliverse, because he was a god? The same story that kills off, like, 3 other gods for shock value along the way and none of THEIR deaths so much as make a stiff breeze?

Trying to pretend that they bothered to come up with actual rules and distinctions for any of this is a fallacy. The New Gods as a cast were not even supposed to survive their original story, they were intended to all die in their version of the end times.

There was a time when a guardian dying would tear a hole in all of reality and fuck everything up. Since then they have all collectively died a few dozen times. As well as the Controllers.

Bullshit is right. The Fourth World characters probably wouldn't be constantly trying to kill one another if that was a constant risk.

Darkseid's death fucked the entire multiverse because he had become something of a parasite to it, not because he was a god.

Even before that story Orion and the Spectre has killed Darkseid and nothing like this ever happened.

Final Crisis was not like before

It does look like they have more trouble trying to keep the New Gods on top of the cosmic food chain when they appear in other books. Like random GLs are capable of flying through stars and black holes, and can move planets around with east, But when Orion or Barda show up they have to look better somehow. And things like weird 50s scifi astro scooters and surf boards have to be portrayed as superior.

This is why Motherboxes are just plain magic now. They have to be shows as better than every AI Krypton, Luthor, and Brainiac have ever made before.

Because they're gods. Are you retarded?

What level is your reading comprehension? 3rd, maybe 4th grade? Darkseid had the anti life equation and was imprinting his will on the multiverse that's why it got fucked.

I think only Marvel made a real solid distinction, and that was dropped by the end of the 60s.

Now a god there is just a semi magical being that lives about 10K years, is around class 50 strength on average, has a high capability of using magic if they bother to learn it, and come from an other dimension around a planet that is ruled by a skyfather.

>he hears nearly everything
>including the rape
>he really gets off on that

>They are eternal and inevitable, irresistible and unmovable. They are the beginning and the end, the alpha and the omega. They are something above powers
That's really only started being a thing after the Christian God became big, most other gods were not of the above, they were more powerful but none were omnipotent until the Judeo Christian god

1. Powerful beings that where worshiped and called gods but being worshiped or called a god is simply a title. Thor from Marvel as an example.

2. Enough people start to believe in a being and their worship manifests as an actual being. This is how gods like the Olympians in the DC setting got their power.

3. Living embodiments of concept like war or dreams, not dependent on direct worship because most sentient creatures believe in these concepts. Examples, New gods and the endless.

Gods are distinguished by two traits 1. Immortality, a god by definition cannot die, and 2. they must be able to alter the living state of other mortal beings, killing is easy, bringing them back is hard. Throughout all of mythology these two traits are common between gods.
Metahumans are just super powered that can still die

New Gods (and other gods I'd assume) come from a different plane of reality and not just aliens from a different planet in the physical universe.
(too be fair: writers usually just have them as aliens from a different planet)

The new gods are not living ideas, get that morrison trash out of here.