Not sure who's more of a madman here, Liefeld for casually revealing plans for an intercompany crossover or Lee for still trying to pursue the extreme aesthetic.
That shit failed as far back as New 52, and the most acclaimed Wildstorm titles either have nothing to do with it, outright mock it, or have a kind of a "that was our youth, we're wiser now" outlook on it
Based Rob
Lee's not trying to pursue the extreme aesthetic you stupid DCuck retard
These DC crossovers have always been a desperate attempt to gain any kind of audience to stave off bankruptcy for a little while longer just like every other crossover ever
>I don’t care if there is an Image Comics/DC Comics special and I’m left out as a result.
Funny how Rob doesn't mention he was kicked for Image not for expressing his opinions but because being a unprofessional piece of shit.
He wasn't kicked out. He bought a hotel room right next to the one where the image guys were having the meeting about his fate with the company. When it became obvious they were going to vote him out, he faxed them a resignation.
And why they wanted him out of Image?
Well Liefeld's the scum that scammed his backers and tried distracting them by projecting "the death of comics is coming soon!" onto every company he could, so I wouldn't be so inclined to believe anything he says. Dude's a piece of shit that's never going to get work at a major company again.
>They kicked him out for being a smiley douche.
>ACTUALLY he eavesdropped on them and quit before he could be fired to save face!
Kinda proving the point.
There were a lot of incidental things, mostly what happens when you're a 22 year old that all of the sudden is a CEO. He wanted to go to Lakers games, buy cars, go on trips, not draw comics. The straw that broke the camels back was him trying to get J Scott Campbell to draw a mini series for him and Mark Silvesteri's autism flared up.
>distracting
Like all the DCfags are doing by bringing up a two year old KS that was never mentioned by anyone in the last two years?
>Jim Lee asked me if I was interesting in bringing Extreme characters to DC for an Image/DC crossover.
>My first instinct after telling Lee I'd get back to him about it was to openly disparage DC Comics' management and demand a restructuring.
If James Cameron kickstarted Avatar 2 back in 2009 we wouldn be talking shit about all the delays. But a true kinophile knows it's so he can deliver the best product possible. Robs an artist who works at his own pace. Rob didn't need to kickstart it anyways, he could've self funded, but it's a chance to get kids and fans onboard for perks and swag and to say "hey I produced that!"
He should dab on everyone and reopen the campaign.
He's right that ATT should absolutely have already removed Didio and Lee.
Otherwise I don't care and anybody claiming they do likely doesn't agree with that statement.
>that was never mentioned by anyone in the last two years
Are you retarded? There literally a meltdown the last few days because people were complaining that Liefeld wasn’t fulfilling his Kickstarter. To the point that other writers and artists were dragged in.
Goddamn I hate Kirk so much. He fucking kickstarted his TAXES and is gaslighting Rob for being late.
to be fair anyone that trusts kickstarter is an idiot
So, like user said, for being an unprofessional piece of shit.
You brainlet
>He fucking kickstarted his TAXES
That was PAD
>I don't care and anybody claiming they do likely doesn't agree with that statement.
Is it really that hard to believe that people hate all three of them?
Didn’t he drag Palmiotti into this as well?
Oh. Sorry I don't read comics just occasionally pop into these threads.
>Sorry I don't read comics
Here's the (You), now beat it.
Are you retarded?
For two years nobody mentioned this. Acting like these are sepearate topics is absurd and only serves to allow you to reply without actually responding.
Nobody brought this shit up for two years... until the other day.
Reply again now that I removed the wiggle room for you to shitpost in response.
So THAT’S why Liefeld was wishing death on DC!
Nothing bothers him more than sharing the credit with Nicieza
>For two years nobody mentioned this
Until recently where fans were upset that Liefeld was being lazy and demanded to know what the hell was happening (some demanding refunds).
>DURR BUT THE KICKSTARTER WAS MADE TWO YEARS AGO
And people are wondering now if it is a scam.
Based boy Rob.
What a classy guy!
There is also a rumor of him beign nose buddie with Lee and his use of peruvian powder. With his faux rockstar attitude and behavior, i am willing to believe is more than gossip.
Is...is he ok?
The thing is you know damn well how this started and you don't want to accept that it's retribution for him talking shit. He said things some faggots found mean and so they tossed the "why don't you finish your KS book" line out that they NEVER throw at Richard Pace who can't even ship a book that was done.
This is retribution it has nothing to do with any KS campaign.
I like Liefeld better when he was a happy guy that just roll with his art.
Oh yeah everyone of the image guys, save maybe Larsen and Valentino, were doing hard shit at the time.
Literally whomst
Of course not, his mind is stuck in highschool. Also he wasn't quitting twitter for good?
>Also he wasn't quitting twitter for good?
I think it's best for people to not let their online image affect their life.
He has a point. Something is going on at DC editorial again. Maybe it is because of the AT&T buyout. But the higher up are being dicks again and chasing people away.
Fuck off then casual.
>>He fucking kickstarted his TAXES
Is this allowed?
Don't post on Yea Forums, Scott.
Also say these things on an alt if you like writing about the biz.
That lasted about 6-8 hrs
>a Rob Liefield Thundarr the Barbarian for the now-canceled Hanna Barbera Beyond
woulda been kino
Yeah your argument was garbage dude
So he only did it to feed his ego and get tons of ass pats?
Zoomers sbitting on Rob when they have NO problem wheb other creators do it, ok!
>user doesn't know who Richard pace is so me saying rob is getting attacked by other creators because he said mean things is garbage
Nah, faggot. You just have nothing worthwhile to add to the thread yet seem to be obsessed with sticking around in it. Why? Just here to derail? Just here for the replies? Why do this?
juvenile but i laughed
Go to bed, Rob.
So you have no way of refuting what user said and now you shit post like a tard?
fpbp
Even in twitter, Rob can't keep his promises.
DC’s management has been screwed up for awhile and have been firing a lot of people. It’s like WB or AT&T only want DC to be a few people.
Not that user.
Why is this Richard Pace important? Did he start all this shit with Rob?
See
>shitting on Thundarr
Well fuck you, Rob. I am glad you didn’t get to ruin him.
so humble
Jeez, what is up with you?
I just want to know what his deal was with Rob. This Richard Pace guy seems like an average cover artist and I don't see the connection here.
Suicide when?
He's a company wartard, look where his stuff started
If you don't know who he is you honestly probably don't follow the comics industry much and there's really no reason to give a fuck what you're saying.
Pace had a KS campaign a few years back for a book that was already finished which he still hasn't delivered on. None of the people going at Liefeld for the same call Pace out.
user made the connection that they are only all going at Liefeld because he's been saying mean things about the industry and those in it where as Pace got quite rousing support when DC dropped his Second coming book despite the fact that he is "guilty" of the same unconnected transgression.
TLDR
Pros are only ganging up on social media to shit on Liefeld because he's attacking DC and they want to look like nice obedient employees so they get a pitch picked up. They aren't really worried about the fans Liefeld "robbed" via KS and they likely didn't even know he had one he never shipped because if they worried about that Richard Pace (among many others in the industry) is guilty of this too.
Somehow it's only the CG faggots and Liefeld who are scum for doing it.
Which pros are ganging up on him?
This. Especially with artists known for delays and shit. No one ever learns.
If anything the ones like Busiek are saying that, even what Rob is not nice, he can't help them.
DC fans can be really fucking antagonistic on twitter
Wildstorm needs to stay buried.
>Didio and Lee and the DC creative brain trust are incredibly antagonistic and writers who write the trash wonder why fans would be angry.
Ftfy
Dick Grayson fans calling king and Didio faggots for shooting him in the head and changing his name are not the antagonistic party there.
>People can be really fucking antagonistic on twitter
FTFY
The best thing about DC fans is how much they fight with eachother.
We are all madmen.
Brainlet
That's what happens when a company complete reboots and takes a decade to self correct.
It's what Coke would be dealing with if they didn't change back from New Coke so quickly.
>LadderRob
OH SHI--
This, dc fans specifically nightwing and Wally fags have the right to be assblasted at shitty creators. But then they hide behind muh death threats despite king literally jerking off how much of a cia badass he was in sheriff of Babylon
>DCuck
Incoming ban.
I blame Batman’s Penis. It was the Bat Penis that caused such a huge restructuring at DC as Pam and AT&T went nuts.
Azzarello is cancer.
>The straw that broke the camels back was him trying to get J Scott Campbell to draw a mini series for him and Mark Silvesteri's autism flared up.
Wasn't it Michael Turner, not J Scott Campbell?
I wish this 90s hack would die already so we can stop pretending he has any relevance (other than the time he almost killed the industry)
>But Muh Deadpool and Prophet!
Both made popular by other writers (and even they aren’t that good).
>made popular by other writers
See
Rob, we know it's you. Stop pretending you have fans.
>no more DC crossovers
Damn, I miss them already.
Ok.
So he's petty.
This is true but att neutering black label is far worse desu, especially since it was literally a casual penis
Not at all. Azzarello is straight up garbage.
AT&T need to focus on stewarding these IPs away from being jokes and the batpenis is not some "gosh TRUE art just has nudity sometimes" shit to anybody but drooling retards. There is nothing "mature" or "realistic" or even worthwhile about seeing batmans penis. It doesn't add vulnerability, it doesn't add to the story, it adds a page for 13 year olds imagine is mature.
"Mature" would mean accepting that Batman isn't the vessel for "mature" stories. Comic creators need to be told "go create your own character for that" more often.
>This is true but att neutering black label is far worse desu, especially since it was literally a casual penis
really crazy how a penis caused so many problems. It was mostly a shadow.
Also the fault is for the person who approved it Editors, Lee, Didio and Harras.
Everyone know Azzarello is hardcore
It was literally one panel in shadow, and while it adds nothing to the story it’s still the authors vision and they hired him to do that vision, I’ll defend a creators right to complete that vision. And no matter what mature stories contain there’s always going to be edgy 13 year olds that think it’s cool, just because edgy losers flock to it doesn’t mean it has no merit.
Iirc some boomer Christian mom complained cause their kid bought it or some shit. It wasn’t a big deal outside of some memes on Yea Forums
>adds nothing to the story
>still somehow has merit
user not every creative vision needs to be given space to exist.
If it adds nothing to the story it has no merit or reason to exist.
And he STILL can't fucking draw feet.
Batman
Penis
Batman
Penis
GayMan
Deadpool was incredibly popular since his debut
That's not true at all. It became an internet meme and Stephen Colbert made fun of it.
The edgy faggots that okayed it expected to be called brave and be told t was a stunning acheivement. They didn't plan on having their "mature" line of comics laughed at as if it were a joke.
Why wouldn't they reassess that? If the intention is to put out more respectable, adult-geared comics surely being a laughable penis joke isn't the desired reaction.
Those feet are fine. You just want them to be rigid like shoes and he drew them as slippers/stockings
It's pretty clear he doesn't just draw an "S," but rather tries to clunkily render it with the negative space.
Not true. That's what happened to kings Superman book sold in children's aisles at Walmart. And it wasn't a boomer mom it was a millenial mom. No boomer is still capable of having children.
If you draw it as an S you're not normal. Due to angles, especially different planes due to the pecs, most people draw it in quadrants or using the negative space to guide the curves.
You don’t see the bigger picture user, sure it was a dick but capeshit is already the most neutered content on the market. They created black label so we could get more of the mature stories from the 70s/80s like green arrow. The first story out gets bought by some assblasted loser who has a fit cause you can see the shaft of Batman’s dick in one panel on one issue of a limited run 18+ miniseries. This means that straight out the gate black label has opened itself to getting fucked by any complaining bitch who didn’t like doctor manhattans cock in watchmen. Do you really want censorship like that from the only capeshit company that would ever open themselves to doing adult stories.
Boomer is a mindset and yeah I did confuse it with that harmless Walmart comic.
>They created black label so we could get more of the mature stories from the 70s/80s like green arrow.
Those could be sold to toddlers these days dumbass. Speedy being on heroine wasn't and isn't "mature" in the way you think.
Black label was "mature" like marvel MAX was. It's was for gore, tits and uncensored swearing. It's not the subject matter. It seems you haven't actually read an issue of damned, there's nothing "mature" about the storyline.
I sincerely can't imagine how you could confuse that. 70s/early 80s mature is acknowledging societal problems exist. 90s/late 80s "mature", which is VERY clearly what black label was supposed to be, is about shock and awe.
ITT: someone who didn’t read the green arrow run from black label past the green lantern crossover
No, boomer is a word with an actual definition. You meming faggots aren't shitting up conversations further than they are already by redefining a word you fucking skyscraper.
Just cause damned sucks didn’t mean it deserved to be censored
This isn't even English. What did you mean by this? There is no GA black label book.
Also you dot respond directly to someone and "ITT" faggot. You either reply to OP or no one for that. Lurk more.
Hoes mad x24
You fucking retard, the black label is an homage to the mature line from the 80s , the grell run of green arrow was one of its first stories and continued for over 100 issues and wasn’t just tits and swearing.
I don't think it should have been censored. I do think it never should have been okayed and essentially shutting Black Label down before they could do any more dumb shit like that was smart. It had the opposite effect of what they wanted, rather than respect they became a joke.
Do i wish I got to see Harley's tits in issue 2? Yeah. Should they have ever okayed that before delaying to censor it? No.
>I'll claim it was its own line after and already told me he thinks those could be sold to children
user those stories aren't "mature". That was partially my point in saying capes aren't the best vessel for mature stories. I agree that's more mature than swearing and a batpenis but those would have no problem being printed normally.
>still trying to pursue the extreme aesthetic.
Thing is, the EXTREME! aesthetic worked out pretty well. But among middle school age readers. Kids in 6th and 7th grade will read shit like 1991 X-Men #1 and think it is nothing but fucking amazing from end to end and love all the splash pages of Wolverine striking a pose while cutting a robot.
Jaded adult readers will look at a hardcore extreme Jim Lee book and complain endlessly asking why random guy is striking a weird model pose, and complaining about broken spines and how the anatomy is all wrong etc. Middle school readers will see War Machine and Wolverine being bad ass on a huge splash panel and think it was the great thing they have ever seen before.
Lee stuff can work, but they need to market it to a different audience.
>user those stories aren't "mature". That was partially my point in saying capes aren't the best vessel for mature stories. I agree that's more mature than swearing and a batpenis but those would have no problem being printed normally.
Black Label went for the shock. it at least sold some comics
I don't think didio, lee an dharras has any idea what is mature
He still thnk's he is 17 and twitter is just notes passed privately in highschool Algrbra class
Was even more retarded when 3 weeks later Manhattan's penis was right there on panel
He is just being shitty and dismissive of people here. Even if he had a point, he still came off as a total dick with a
>Fuck you poor normie!
attitude here.
I mean Liefeld might be right but given that he's a walking disaster who couldn't even deliver a fucking 22 page comic in over six years, he's not in a position to criticize anyone.
The irony being that during the 90s, the big two simply stoped caring about that demographic and started aiming for the 18-40 guys (which they are still doing, kind of)
>That was PAD
All look same.
He can too.
Comics are almost entirely aimed at adults for a very niche market. While still maintaining the reputation of being an incredibly childish medium
>Shitting on Thundarr
Fuck Liefeld...give Thundarr to Jeff Parker and make it a part of the Omac/Kamandi timeline!
Men are still potent well into their 80s. So if some lucky boomer banged a 30something thy could conceivably have kids.
Why does he ramble exact like Trump? Is that just something corrupt idiots do?
Corrupt or not, yeah, idiots babble.
Liefeld one time comented that Jim Lee do coke.
Liefeld is right about Lee, Didio and Harras. But he also is asshole.
IIRC it was because he had a stroke and had to spend all his money on not dying because US Healthcare
Marvel giving him a long-term exclusive contract, which basically means a regular employee paycheck banks could take as collateral basically saved his ass and family.
Rob was 100% not actually invited to be in the crossover and is butthurt