Where does the stereotype that anime is more mature than western cartoons come from ?

>Where does the stereotype that anime is more mature than western cartoons come from ?
It's the truth, slapdick.

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average delusional co/ck sucker with no grounds to defend his superfag kiddy shows.

pretty sure they started kind of normal then attempted murrica cartoony styles with bigger eyes, somewhere down the line they merged and shit got fucked.

Just like cartoons

this
>neon genesis
>cowboy bebop
>trigun
>standalone complex
there are no American cartoons like these

Insect detected

Voltron
Batman TAS
TMNT
Gargoyles

Next.

>Neon Genesis
And thank god for that. Western animation has already enought shit as it is.

Jesus Christ can't you just enjoy different things

Found the DCuck.

Because they are
Let's not beat around the bush OP, you intended this fucking thread to be bait.

Any kind of genuine discussion about the faults of western animation is drowned out by tribalistic Yea Forums nonsense and saying a shit flinging of tastes.

Anime is by no means perfect, but by and large it respects the medium than western animation does. And before anyone pulls out the usual suspects of France and the like, those are outliers and do not represent the general attitude the west has that animation is for children, and no that is not moving the goalpost or going "i-it doesn't count" because it's a disingenuous argument that does not represent the greater issue here.

Also anime having shit in its library and following trends like the thousand light novel adaptations does not invalidate the criticism that western animation is almost always aimed at children or is a comedy, while anime has at least five different genres of series in a given season.

They're both forms of animation, stop acting like your above the "nerdy weeb shit" and accept that western animation needs to learn from, because it's the only real comparison we have since Japanese animation is the only thriving industry that is equivalent to what America puts out.

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>Voltron
Anime, and shittily edited one at that
>Batman TAS
Made 25 fucking years ago, with different standards and nothing has even touched it
>TMNT
There's three fucking TMNT series, and all of them are hardly classics
>Gargoyles
Again, made over 20 years ago. Where's the other Gargoyles Disney has made?

>Where does the stereotype that anime is more mature than western cartoons come from ?
the fact that hollywood celebs have favourite anime but no favourite cartoons...

>no one will give an actual response to this because it’s a serious reply that isn’t hurr durr le east/west good le west/east bad

I just want Rhombus Foxes.

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>big eyes in anime

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>small eyes in cartoons

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Because it is.

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people who hate key need to be banned

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Because in general it’s a fact?

A based Jojo poster? Am I dreaming?

Name me a SINGLE cartoon that measures up to Cowboy Bebop.

Spectacular Spiderman

Don't know dude

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There is a reason most cartoons are copying anime - very poorly I might add.

Honestly, anime makes cartoons look completely out of style. A mere relic of the past. But the west is too cheap, lazy, and untalented to truly emulate the art form.

Fantasia.

>the west is too cheap
But one episode of Simpsons is more expensive than any anime series.

As someone who prefers anime, this opinion is absolutely retarded. Western animation when done correctly has a level of dynamism and expression that anime simply doesn’t try to do. You won’t see a Tom and Jerry or Looney Tunes in anime.

Different things (but i like Fantasia)

>Voltron

Seriously?
youtube.com/watch?v=bVw5khpgbSw

Also I know you mean the new one that shit sucks and fuck you.

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That's only because japanese animators are paid slave wages though

Don't know dude

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Of course, but we can agree that they are if similar artistic merit, right?

Because of product placement, copyright to some Baby Boomer song, copyright to references to other material, and some b-list or c-list celebrity guest star.

from lack of mature western cartoons.

You compared one series with one super-expensive movie. We have to compare things from one league, otherwise we will quickly come to the Redline.

It's all just cartoons. Doesn't matter where it's from.

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>You won’t see a Tom and Jerry or Looney Tunes in anime.
>Naming shit that's old as fuck.

Name me a single cartoon in the last 10 years that even MATCHES the average anime that comes out to this day.

Ok. Fantasia measures up to Redline or Akira or Robot Carnival or Memories or whatever else.

>It's all just cartoons. Doesn't matter where it's from.
True.

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Yeah, it's true. But the conversation was about TV shows like Bebop.

I just wish the west had the same variety. You make a cartoon in the west and it's almost always a bad comedy. I've seen MULTIPLE shows about goddamn agriculture.

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That’s a wholly separate issue entirely. The incompetence of the current output of western animation doesn’t mean western style animation as a whole is outdated or irrelevant, it’s an issue of skill and or willingness for the big money to fund better projects.

The new high budget Looney Tunes or Glitch Techs will be an example of a modern cartoon with effort and funding behind it, and it will be worth existing.

Every time these threads are made, not a single person can name a cartoon that can measure up to the quality, tone, and story of anime.

All good Western animation is now in 3D, Japanese in - 2d. The whole point.

Korra killed any chance of variety.

No, it was about western animation vs eastern animation, if we must compare television shows than I will have nothing of that technical quality to provide because it doesn’t exist. That says nothing about western animation as a whole, just about the problems in our Television production environments.

Of course I can name stuff that succeeds on a similar level of artistry like Samurai Jack or The Animals of Farthing Wood, but technically they are outmatched for sure.

3D is irrelevant to me. Once again, the failures of modern executives and animation schools are a separate issue than the philosophy of western animation itself. Both deserve to exist in as high a quality as possible.

Because Jap eyes are so small.

The whole point of the conversation is that the anime is more diverse. I do not attack western animation, just a fact. I do not care much about it.

1) There's a shitload of anime for every kind of audience. Some of it really is mature. And while there are adult cartoons as well, there are very few of them by comparison and as percentage of respective wholes.

2) Most anime at least try to treat it's kid viewers seriously. As in they don't avoid or oversimplify themes in patronizing ways. Now, of course some fail and are insultingly stupid, but at least not by design. At best, they succeed in creating the same atmosphere as BTAS did for example.

3) Pretty much everything has fanservice and that translates to "adult" in the puritanical minds of people from the Anglosphere.

What anime?

>quality
The Thief and the Cobbler
>Tone
What tone? Dark? Liquid City.
>Story
Plague Dogs.

it does because the west has abandoned the old way.
>The new high budget
Theoretical shows don't count, any country could make something good with enough time and funding. We are talking about what each country puts out every year today

>Both deserve to exist in as high a quality as possible.
Yeah, but now we have this.
I want something like Carole & Tuesday from Western, too much calart todsy.

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or its something for 20+ years ago, something that was done with the help of a jap/kor studio, one of that was made in Europe and bankrupted the studio so they never made anything else worth while

The statement made was that anime makes Western animation look irrelevant. My point is that the lack of quality output on our part is not BECAUSE of the philosophy behind Western animation, but factors beyond our control. If we tried to do anime it would be the same result. We need more money and more freedom or get rid of unions and put Californian animators in the shed like Japan.

>I want something like Carol and Tuesday

I don’t. I want An American Tale. Looney Tunes. Tom and Jerry. Western animation doesn’t need to emulate anime, we already have enough anime to enjoy.

>and put Californian animators in the shed like Japan.

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>calart
Not liking a group of art styles =/= poor quality.
Try being more objective.

>I don’t.
You do not want serious and well-developed series with a good picture and an adult storyline? Even in anime this is not so frequent.

>I want An American Tale. Looney Tunes. Tom and Jerry.
I know you're not being honest. That shit is out of date unless you're 80.

you seriously think childrens hero cartoons are equiviliant to a political drama that tackles topics like warrentless surveliance, terrorism and counterterrorism, secret police, corruption in general, medical induistry cronyism, what makes an individual, personal ownership, and the psychological effect of integrating technology into man himself?

are you autistic? 12?

It's lazy artstyle.

As someone who prefers anime, I want anime and western cartoons to be able to coexist with quality entries from both. Turning the western animation scene into anime clones may be better than what we have RIGHT NOW, but it wouldn’t be a suitable replacement for what we had in the late 80’s and 90’s.

That's your opinion. I also don't like the art style, but it's not low quality.

Nope. I value what western animation brings to the table that Japanese animation doesn’t.

Calarts is literally the laziest style of "animation" and an insult to the art itself. Anyone can make that shit.

Maybe I can enjoy Ed Edd n Eddy AND Serial Experiments Lain and that’s OK?

Maybe, but it's looks so lazy and cheap.

Japanese animation literally bring more to the table. You only get one or two things out of western animation.

>but it wouldn’t be a suitable replacement for what we had in the late 80’s and 90’s.
That shit ain't coming back. Accept it.

That is just a reflection of your ignorance to the history of western animation and how big of a scope 110+ years of every country besides Japan’s output is. If you prefer anime and don’t like anything the west can bring, that’s fine, but don’t try and turn the west into just more anime. There’s so much fucking anime now you can’t even get through it all, we don’t need more.

Why not? The money is coming back, we already have rumblings like the last time it happened. No reason why we can’t get there. The 60’s and 70’s were worse off than we had it now and we pulled through.

>but don’t try and turn the west into just more anime.
If cartoons want to be boneheaded and pointless, fine by me, but it might as well take the aesthetic from anime and look pretty at the very least.

If that’s your ignorant take on the history of non Japanese animation, so be it. Bye.

>Because anime has different kinds of adult content where as most adult western cartoons are raunchy comedies.
>Cultural differences means even in tame shows different things may be tackled that a forgin audience considers mature.
>The sentiment came to being in the 80's when it was 100% accurate.
Take a pick.

To be perfectly blunt I don't even think anime is doing well against what it used to be by itself compared to how western animation weighs in.

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>You do not want serious and well-developed series with a good picture and an adult storyline?
I just want to point out that this is a bit off.
Modern western shows(2010s +) do have well-developed themes and tackle adult issues whilst having good visuals.

>Archer
>The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes!
>Axe Cop
>Ben 10: Ultimate Alien
>Black Dynamite
> BoJack Horseman
> The Boondocks
>Rick and Morty
> Castlevania (2017)
> Green Lantern: The Animated Series
>My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic
>Samurai Jack 2017
> Scooby-Doo
> She-Ra and the Princesses of Power
>Star vs. the Forces of Evil
>Star Wars Rebels
>Rise of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
>TRON: Uprising
> Voltron: Legendary Defender (the first Voltron series to be produced after the franchise was bought by DreamWorks Animation, among other titles. The show is produced by Lauren Montgomery and Joaquim Dos Santos, best known for their work on Avatar: The Last Airbender and The Legend of Korra and animated by Studio Mir (also known for its work on Korra). So yes, it's western.

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I'm sorry I'm telling too much of the truth.

>Rick and Morty
>good visuals
Good show with shit artstyle.Two golf balls instead of eyes and anus instead of pupils are not good visual.

>>Rick and Morty
fuck off

Rick and Morty is none of those things you're associating it with. Not only does it look poor, it's themes are very juvenile.

You don't like the visual? Okay. I do.

The thread is a black hole. Stop chasing the dragon.

Rick and Morty is animated (separate issue than designs) better than most cartoons out now. You don’t have to like it, but it’s true.

It’s a very ignorant view. In Yea Forums speak you are a normalfaggot /r/anime retard with shonenshitter taste. That make more sense?

>Rick and Morty is animated (separate issue than designs) better than most cartoons out now.

You're blowing that out of your fucking ass right now.

I like more like this. This is a good visual.

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It’s true. I can think of a few better, sure, Steven Universe on a good episode, OK KO, but really in terms of technical animation on TV it’s reasonably high for 2010’s.

Or do you not know the difference between animation quality and design? Or traditional animation vs puppet rigged?

Not a single cartoon this year will compare to this. Just like every year when an anime comes out.

>Rick and Morty is animated (separate issue than designs) better than most cartoons out now

Congratulations you managed to properly animated a circle on a rectangle with noodle arms, want an Emmy?

What about this?

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Hideous.

How about an Oscar instead?
m.imdb.com/title/tt0059122/

How about this then?

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Blood=/= mature

This is why no one respects award ceremonies any more

Where is this from?

It's good, but it's a movie, not a 10-hour series.

>This is a good visual.
It's a unique style compared to most western animation.
However, I don't like 2000+ anime's artistic choices that much. Lacks a certain western feel the older stuff had.

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You just described JLU

Ok, Elfen Lied for kids, I knew it.

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The Plague Dogs.

Are you getting the point yet?

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Gore and erotic content =/= adult.

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>Are you getting the point yet?
No. Do you know the difference between a TV show and a movie?

>Good visuals
>Rick n morty

Not all adult entertainment is mature.

>I haven’t watched it
Ok.

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For edgy 12 year olds who think it's adult *

Blood as a consequence of violence is still more mature than murder and gore as a joke. (South Park, Family Guy)

The point is there is not such thing as “looks like a cartoon” dumbass.

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You have to be 18 to post here

Yeah, but Marvel's movies for adults.

(you)

Looks like a shit?

> more mature than murder and gore as a joke.
I really want to argue this. I won't because I unfortunately don't care enough. I watch almost anything, regardless of origin.

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Probably because Japan doesn't have a ridiculous bias against adult cartoons like we westerners do.

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All of the day bro

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>I have an argument. I just won't make it.

My Gym Partner's a Monkey

>Redcutionist
That's not what I said.
I simply don't care about this topic any more.

How’s this?

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Still not up to Satoshi Kon.

Stop chasing the dragon.

Ah! A man of psychological thrillers. Here you are.

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Look like Soviet animation.

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It’s actually UPA’s adaptation of The Tell-Tale Heart, but I see your reasoning.

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What the west considers "mature": Gratuitous violence and swearing, adult animated sitcoms, crude jokes.
What Mature actually means: Plotlines that aren't easy to grasp for young minds, meaningful character interactions and long lasting consequences, questioning ethics and morality.

Really, the west is incredibly immature sans a few things like samurai jack, its because of the normie culture suits wanna appeal to. It's the difference between watching Der Fuherers Face and reading Maus

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This still hold up as pants-shitting terrifying decades after its release

It’s a classic of horror animation for sure.

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Yeah. Was that that user's point, or is that user just fucking retarded?

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notice how none of the mature white people shows havent come out in about 10 years

I blame the Hays Code and its successors for stunting creativity in American animation. I do give WB and MGM credit for trying to subvert the Code's crippling limitation with their animated shorts

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What's the Hays Code? bit of a brainlet here

this

cope and seething weeb

All of the day bro

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>Started in 2001

ALL. OF. THE. DAY. BRO.

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Precursor to the FCC, BS&P, MPAA, ESRB, etc.
It "killed" Betty Boop as a franchise

What is this?

Whoops thumbnail.

Lastman.

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I haven't heard of it before today, and i lurk Yea Forums quite often, looks pretty decent?

It’s very good. Try it.

Had the code not exist or least softened up a bit, Betty along with Red from Tex Avery's would've evolved artistically and be more than a match for the likes of Lum, Fujiko Mine, or even Sailor Moon.

I'd say a good factor of that comes from the vast quantity of shows that come out in Japan leads to more variety in shows while allowing creators to do more than just "Zany children's show that follows a status quo each episode" or "Serious action show with a continuing plot". Just take a look at the shows Japan gets next month:
>A super-soldier hunting down his former comrades who've gone rogue while a girl follows him as a lead to her father's death
>An show about girls working out
>A specialized Fire Department who tackles Fire Demons
>A show about Vikings
>A teenager tries to reintroduce science into civilization after most of humanity has turned to stone
>The story of a bookclub and how they mature through highschool
>The sequel to the sequel to the sequel to the sequel to the show about girls in music-fueled power armor
>A trio of monsters protect humanity in the name of justice to try and become human themselves
>In the near future a group of highschool students get lost in space and must try and find their way back to earth with an old space ship
>Bright but with a elf girl instead of orc Joel Edgerton

And that's only 10 of the 30ish shows starting next month. Yeah most of those shows will probably have trash animation or be forgotten after a year or two, but having that variety at least helps more mature shows be produced because they know there's an audience for those types of shows in the east where it took something like Infinity Train two years to even be picked up by a network.

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Why do weebfags suddenly think "serious=always good"
Enjoy soap operas I guess because they are serious so they must be good. And honestly they are better written and more expressive and exciting the anime. These really are people who hate animation

We got cucked out of real waifus.

Why do idiots suddenly think "childish crap=always good"?

Because "Adult Cartoons" in the west are almost all dumb comedies.

>this will never really be finished. Nor - it seems - available on any streaming service

I am still mad.

A sad truth. And now America is stuck in Family Guy tier

>religious firefighters warding off the demons of hell
That sounds fucking rad, I wanna watch that.

The weirdest part is, the adult cartoons we get end up being childish crap 99% of the time

Wouldn't say it's more mature however for whatever reason western animation seems to be terrified of making a remotely serious show without having to hide the serious stuff under the guise of a comedy first.

>Symphogear
One of the guys working on it is here probably best known for his work on Oban Star Racers and Code Lyoko.

What the fuck? Did I travel back to 2007?

Fuck this show

It's anime for kids, nothing serious.

Even that suffers from diminishing returns

That's not what I'm saying. It's been ages since I've ever seen anyone use Elfen Lied as an example of some hardcore gory anime. Anyway my man Elfen Lied's gore is kinda lame most of it is lazy blood fountains go watch Genocyber if you wanna see some crazy shit.

>gore is kinda lame
No. Elden Lied psychologically heavy, not just physically. His whole point is the suffering and torture of the innocent.

Genocyber's got that too. Its core theme is how man's lust for creating the ultimate super weapon gradually causes us to lose our humanity resulting in the suffering of good people until finally there's nothing left.

>lost my dvd
fuck it.

Ok I will look. In any case, such shows are not about high sense and morality, just about suffering.

>Why yes, I do read Stonetoss, how could you tell?

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based

Anime has more DETAILED eyes, and more emphasis is placed on them for emotional expression, while western cartoons have less detailed eyes and moreso focus on the mouth for expression. Just look at Gumball's T-phase, for example.

Polar Bear Cafe can reach 50 episodes.

Hunter x Hunter's ant arc is one of the greatest works of fiction in human history because it outright refuses to reach its climax in anything resembling shounen style and instead organically hands the plot over to minor characters, everyone in their place and where they need to be outside of the pre-established tropes.

Genre and subject matter vary greatly in all corners of the medium.

FMA

Series have the expectation of ending as they're highly dependent on single writers rather than being awkwardly passed around for 50+ years for marketing reasons.

Cartoons have been aimed at all ages for decades.

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thank you for taking time out of your cunny threads to bless us with your presence

Vegan wins this.
Cyclist gets assaulted all the time especially on roads outside the city.

Because people think:
>Edgyness=mature
Also anime is mostly made for otakus, aka obsesive audience son they don't really have critical thinking.

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The 1980s.

this.
at the time both anime and cartoons were trying to push forward animation storytelling to more mature levels. The nips succeeded the west faltered.
But as animu began to be more popular it became more and more low-brow to the woes several old animators and directors.

based

Holy shit your only argument is that "it was made long time ago" when all those animes you listed are just as old

It unironically is, though. Or for teenage boys at the very least. Japan has very different sensibilities when it comes to graphic violence and gore that would make the average American suburban mother faint. Naruto, a notoriously childish anime has a character getting an arm driven through their chest in episode 16. That doesn't make it any mature, but when I was twelve years old I would have loved something as violent as Elfen Lied or Apocalypse Zero or Gantz or Hellsing, despite them being completely stupid. Japan knows kids love violence, whereas the West thinks violence is something only children can stomach, despite shooting games being insanely popular.

Back in the late 80s and early 90s, companies like Manga Entertainment would pick out hyperviolent OVAs to create a niche in the market and differentiate themselves as providing MATURE Japanimation that wasn't just your kiddy Saturday morning cartoons.

Combine that with the fact that most weebs are outsiders and desperate to validate their hobbies, so when they bring up anime, they're going to bring up whatever they can to contrast with the stereotype that cartoons are for kids, so that means something gory and sexual.

Rinse and repeat that for the last 30 years and here we are. Still, Japan does have a more open ended view towards animation as a medium of entertainment in that people don't immediately brand it as childish as they do over here, so studios are more likely to try and appeal to more demographics.

Lots, most, of 1980s anime is typical Saturday morning cartoon cute shit, it's just that the majority of that was never and will never be subbed or dubbed. That's why weebs end up cherry picking a few hyper violent OVAs, because they don't know anything besides what was localised.

Avatar the Last Airbender. Its always Avatar the Last Airbender.

Lastman
Symbionic titan
Samurái Jack

Not denying that those are good cartoons, but have you seen Cowboy Bebop? Like actually sat down and watched all of it, movie included? Bebop isn't even comparable to most anime, so there's no way any cartoon that comes after it even matches up. Bebop isn't even the best anime has to offer.

Yea Forums here. Bebop is vastly overrated.
Ed, Edd and Eddy is better.

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too bad it's one of the most boring shows this year.

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>Most japan toons are aimed to escapist manchildren with pedophile tendencies.
How that respect the medium?

They are, but here's the thing. Firstly; No it isn't Secondly; the creators were allowed to be as free as they wanted for most of those series,which say what you will about Anno's work, but you can never say it's not distinctively his. While most of you listed was good DESPITE all the restrictions that were placed upon them, and I will guarantee any of those creators would've preferred being allowed to do more of what THEY wanted.

Thirdly. Only two of things can be considered "classics" and keep in mind Batman was already an established property so it was hardly a risk or the pure artistic vision of the creative team.

Fourthly; Many of those anime are are still getting new installments and have their creators working on huge prolific projects.

What the fuck has Paul Dini done these days that doesn't try to cash in on nostalgia? When was the last time Disney contacted Greg to do anything Gargoyles related? Or when was they last time they even thought about Gargoyles in general? And with all the bitching about the new one I would assume the new TMNT and Voltrons are pale imitations of the originals

It's childish crap.

>b-but pedos and manchildren
Fascinating argument from the board that has half the board dedicated to children's media, and spawned series from actual pedos and attracts them

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Why can't people just enjoy things?

People like to shit on each other.

>Shitting on T&J
Shit taste. No wonder comming from a brainlet otaku

Watch More cartoons.

>Anime respect the medium
>But it's focused on escapist manchildren
Again, how that respect the medium?

>I can't think of an actual retort or counter so let me just resort to ad hominem
Of course your hypocritical ass would do that

>You won’t see a Tom and Jerry or Looney Tunes in anime.
Because anime was inspired by a entirely different school of animation, specifically the Disney golden age of animation, which inspired animators to try more realstic proportions for their characters and have their setting be more "grounded" akin more towards the western comics of the time more than the animation

Those two (Or at least the last guy) are talking about the variety of shows that come from Japan each year though, not the quality of shows. Just look at and how they can afford to put out 30+ new shows a season and try different sorts of plots that aren't limited to comedies the occasional action/drama show.

I'm pretty sure Is a common knowlegde that besides some cases, most jap toons aimed to people looking for escapism. I've discussed that matter with weebs before and they all told me "yes, it's blalant escapism" but it's to you if you want yo believe me.

That aside, when you say "respect the medium" I can only think on animation laws, experimentation and traditional animation. Cartoon Saloon Is the first modern thing that comes to my mind. I have to add that I'm not saying amerian-european animation respect the medium as a whole.

Said that I have to ask again. How comes jap toons as a whole respect the medium? I would give you a point for the "2D animation" part, but I don't think that stand the argument alone.

>most jap toons aimed to people looking for escapism. I've discussed that matter with weebs before and they all told me "yes, it's blalant escapism"
And western animation doesn't? You frame this like a problem, when EVERY fucking medium has some form of escapism in it. I even mentioned it in the original post that anime likes to follow trends that often tend to be escapist fluff, but that doesn't invalidate fucking anything, because the bulk of western animation is nothing but escapist fluff, with a majority of the series Yea Forums likes to tout as mature still being those escapist fantasies since most of them are straight genre series with the occasional substance to it , like most escapism does.

>That aside, when you say "respect the medium" I can only think on animation laws,
Yes, but I'm also talking about the actual stories they choose to tell. Which again, are far more varied than the west's wacky kid's comedies most of the time.

>Cartoon Saloon Is the first modern thing that comes to my mind.
And AGAIN, the existence of European animation studios and projects does not invalidate the concern of the attitude that western animation is primarily seen as a medium for children

Believe me, I want to see more serious minded western projects like the Breadwinner, or even The Secret of Kells. I want to see the industry embrace more animators like Ralph Bakshi or Genndy Tartakovsky. I want to see weird expiremental shit like Anomalisa or the Loving Vincent.

But we don't see that. Especially not in the mainstream.

Meanwhile anime has no shortage of weird and wacky shit from artistically inclined directors, and their share of genuine passion projects. Shit like Your Name, Ping Pong: The Animation, Anohana, Space Dandy.

Hell we got two the past month with Carole and Tuesday and Sarazanmai

Anime isn't prefect, but from what it does and gets away with, it still respects the medium more than most western animation does.

Can mods please do their fucking job

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Can you fuck off back to lereddit?

I agree animefags need to go back to their home instead of shitting up this board because it's summer

>WAAAAH MODS HELP ME
Yeah, no, fuck off you tranny redditor.

If you don't care please post some porn right now
Better use of this thread then your cancer

>dat 3d guitar
>dat 3d background
>good visual

Japs can draw good, but only a few frames per scene and they're terrible at 3d.

>the Yea Forums fag posts like a Yea Forumsermin

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>he thinks Yea Forums actually posts here

That's a More coherent answer, fella. I must admit, the main reason I can't get into jap toons Is that I can't stand límited animation and I hate how most of animations procuded are straight garbage. I don't like to look for something I would like inside a médium saturated with generic and bland toons. But I won't deny there's experimentation there.

I do love experimentation, Yesterday I finished interface, a webserie and holy shit, it's gud. I think the main problem are the two big that basically have the medium monopolized and they don't really ecourage experimentation, at least, not like in the 90's.

There's are plenty experimental toons Made in europe-USA, the thing Is, they can't compit at a commercial level. Just look at Laika, they are motherfucking starving. Most of them are webseries or animations planned for festivals like Annecy.

I have to ask. What we can do yo encourage more experimental toons?

>He thinks they don't when they admit to such

Pretty sure there are plenty fans of anime who do watch cartoons outside from japan.

Because most Western cartoons are literally made for children you sperg, while midnight anime is made for adults and generally has a wide range of programming meant to appeal to different age groups

I'm pretty sure if you take the backgrounds of all the jap shows Made in the last ten years you won't be able to tell which are from that show.

At least we managed to reach some kind of agreement, which is more than I expected from a thread like this. I won't force you to watch anime, but trying giving at least one of them a chance, maybe Devilman or something, but that's your choice.

And I agree, in the west the medium has been monopolized and it's slowly killing the industry. Most European produced projects aren't competitively mainstream and that's depressing. It disgusts me, Laika can pour their heart and soul into something like Kubo or Paranorman and have it only make back its budget, while garbage like Minions can get a billion dollars solely because its marketable.

>I have to ask. What we can do yo encourage more experimental toons?
Really, Just to have animators keep trying to make them, and pitch them to as many studios as they can.

As much as I despise Netflix, mostly for anime related reasons, I will give credit where it's due, it's one of the few major distributors that will give more experimental animation a shot to even exist and potentially flourish.

That is something the western animation industry needs

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i'd hope your just fucking with me and not really this new honestly.

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Yea Forumsnons post on Yea Forums, however they're not the ones that start bait threads like this one.

Yes because every single show is aimed at manchildren and there is no inbetween. You dumbass.

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>why yes, I do have a stand, how did you know?

90s marketting
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True.
Thread should have ended here.

80s and 90s OVAs that made it over to the states fell into one of three categories: shows for kids, titties and gore shows, and straight out porn. It was the rush over of stuff like MD Geist, Kite, Elfen Lied, and its like that gained anime a reputation for maturity, simply because you couldn't show a kid an animated show with graphic rape and people getting their faces ripped off.

It wasn't even that mature, since the shit was only mature in the sense that you couldn't show it to kids. Most mature adults would consider a lot of it pretty shallow and immature. I honestly wanted to post an example picture with this but anything I could post would probably get me banned because the shit was so ridiculously exaggerated in its violence and sex.

Western animation sucks
But Samurai Jack is good
You need to give all the animation to Tartakovsky

Uhm. NO!

This man gets it.

>cherry picking a few hyper violent OVAs
Its not the quantity user. Its the fact that they actually got through to producing it, while cartoons got fell to a lot of pits.
Its not just OVA's but whole series.
From Ideon, LOGH, Yamato, Gundam, Akira etc. Also violence=/= maturity.
Some anime while mostly mired in kabooms, boobage and robots also touched on subjects like politics, war in depth, societal degradation, culture to psychology and the human condition.
The majority of the western animation at the time wouldn't even touch that, but there are exceptions.

The problem here is you're equating "mature" to simple violence and things that are "not for kids".

>You need to give all the animation to Tartakovsky
Fuck no. Animators and creators should be instead be pushed to make their own styles in animation and story telling.

>to make their own styles
And who prevents them?

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Lastman is French

Still, it's great

And it doesn't impact the show's quality so it's even worse.