Your Angel of Death awaits

If you don't like what King did for Kite-Man you have no soul.

>Forgetting that King wrote the best comic of the decade.

I hate Tom King.

I liked the joke the first time, not the second, third, fourth, and so on. He pretty much ran the "Kite-Man! Hell Yeah" joke into the ground.

I think that's exactly what King is going for though. Whatever the flaws in his interpretation are (which I'm sure there are many), it's not that she meows and is a little weird.

That's because it's not supposed to be funny every time he says it. It's a 'joke' the first time he says it, but once you learn WHY he says it, you're not supposed to be laughing. Or if you are, you still pity Kite-Man.

It's just not how I enjoy the character. She was a meowing sexy more traditional femme fatale throughout the '90s after Batman Returns came out, and frankly, those books weren't very good.

Brubaker comes out with Cooke and modernizes the character in 2000, tones her persona down, and they're like the definitive version of the character.

It's the same thing with Bat-Cat, it's good at first but he can't help himself and he kills whatever humor was there with constant, constant repetition

But his Catwoman has nothing in common with Batman Returns take on Catwoman, nor is his Catwoman interesting or sexy. She's obnoxious, cringe-y, cunt-ish, and has long over stayed her welcome.

was Mask of the Phantasm good?

We get it, but he's still not a funny or sad character anymore. Because the writer kept on hammering the same shit over and over and over everything the character appeared. It's just annoying now. Any points the character gained after his first appearance or when his backstory was shown has long since been lost.

Yeah I think at this point you're just being a cynical asshole who is determined to find fault in everything. He didn't "hammer the same shit" over and over. After his two or so issue story he makes one-panel appearances or is seen in the background.

Strongly. Best DC animated movie aside from maybe New Frontier.

It's the best Batman movie.

>She's obnoxious, cringe-y, cunt-ish,
That sounds just like Return's Catwoman lmfao

>we got comics Arkham Knight before the Phantasm
I have no idea why this took so long.

Because the Phantasm is based on an existing comics character

Different Ano here.
Returns Catwoman is a loser in her normal life and has low self esteem. This makes her Catwoman alter ego more interesting and likeable.

>comparing Michelle Pfeiffer's Catwoman to Tom King's Catwoman
You niggas be crazy, yo. Pfeiffer's Catwoman was a plain jane and crazy cat lady who got killed off, and later on brought back to life by the cats she helped so much as an undead super-human who only wanted to avenge herself by killing the dood that killed her off. In her new life as an undead super-human she stripped herself of any sense shame or restraint that held her back in her previous life, becaming this sexy lady who behaves like a cat on a prowl. She was a sexy beast that made my peepee hard. She even past on the idea of being happy with Batman to get her revenge by killing herself alongside her killer. The whole idea behind the character was that madness could set you free and make you realize your untap potential.

Tom King's Catwoman is the most sanitized and Mary Sue-ish version of the character there is, made up of nothing but memes, and that sorely exist to force Batman down to compromise himself with the idea of living a life of mediocrity because what matters in life is for a man to settle down with a woman and do the boring shit everybody do with their lives. It's pretty much Catwoman pussywhipping Batman into becoming a depressed but content zoomer.

Every time Kiteman appears he says the same shit and then disappear. Every fucking time. Is more than just twice.

>Pfeiffer's Catwoman was a plain jane and crazy cat lady who got killed off, and later on brought back to life by the cats she helped so much as an undead super-human who only wanted to avenge herself by killing the dood that killed her off
Sounds like a mary sue to me. Just kidding but you can understand how meaningless that term is.

She wasn't a Mary Sue because ultimately she didn't accomplish much other than kill the guy that killed her. That was it. She was also a fucking loser and a hag when in life, and a crazy bitch as an undead. It's just that she wasn't a cunt for the sake of being a cunt. She simple was weird in the same vein that every Tim Burton's characters are. They're whimsical, and sad, and slightly off-putting.

Hell, the best way to describe Batman Returns' Catwoman is to say that she was the The Crow, but with tits and a whip.

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ACKTCHUALLY

She's the main villain in Year Two.

That's the Ripper.

>she's not a Mary Sue because she got revenge just like she wanted, was shot 6 times and got away
Hmm.

>Tom King wants to do this huge take about Batman, Catwoman, Bane, et ceteras all being about suicide and shit
>Batman Returns did that whole concept much more elegantly and without having to make everything literal

>It took this long for the Phantasm to appear in the comics
>She's being written by King

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Yes. Exactly. How is that "hammering it in"? Are you scoping every single issue and looking only for the small panel where Kite-Man is? Kite-Man is involved directly in ONE story. If one-off cameos of obscure creator-favorite characters bother you, why the fuck are you even reading comics? ESPECIALLY Batman comics? I don't know if you've noticed, but that's essentially the name of the game here dude. I don't know what to tell you.

That's probably true. I'm not saying King's Cat is my favorite or the best because it's fucking not even close but the influences are obvious.

I didn't see Catwoman defeating single-handedly all the rogues of that movie. If anything, her killing her killing and "dying" alongside with him was played up as a tragic.

Her being "undead" was not even a big part of the movie or her character. She's a crazy cat lady in every sense. The way she got her "powers" is not very important at all- and for that matter Catwoman's origin never was.

Because Kite-Man has appeared more than once in the book. He has appeared several times, and every time he does is the same shit. That's why his shit got stale.

It's the same with King poking fingers at the fact that several of the Robins have already died at one point or another. It was fine in the diner scene during "I Am Bane" arc, it was kinda weird but sad during Batman's confessional in Heroes in Crisis, it began to be stupid in his story for Detective Comics #1000, and it went beyond stale during the Robins' confessionals in the last issue of Heroes in Crisis. Now i wonder when will King remind us YET again that the Robins have all died once or another.

Mary sue is a meaningless term user, especially in superhero comics.

Nope. It's The Reaper. Easy to confuse though. TAS was known to change things up. Mr. Freeze, Clayface, etc. I imagine "The Reaper" wasn't PG enough and that movie is pushing that already.

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>It's the same with King poking fingers at the fact that several of the Robins have already died at one point or another
You mean like we all do every day?

ok

That design looks pretty shit compared to the one in the animated series.

The death and rebirth was a big thing, yes, it was just hammered on the audience because Burton for all his faults is a subtler writer than hacks like King. Selina with her life-threatening scare was able to shed her past life's worries and reinvent herself as someone she always wished to be more underneath.

That's fair.

> king is going to ruin arguably the greatest batman movie ever for CAT BAT CAT BAT CAT
FUCK THIS FAGGOT FOREVER

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We're a bunch of cunts browsing fucking Yea Forums of all places. Using the very comics to point stupid shit is a very dense thing to do. What's next? Is he constantly going to make fun of the idea that certain heroes wear their trunks on the outside?

>immediately dropping concepts and plot point and ignoring them completely once they serve their purpose is good writing
ok

That's because it is. TAS and the MoTP is better in every way

>Using the very comics to point stupid shit is a very dense thing to do
Wait, why?

Oh boy, I can't wait for a year of more BAT CAT BAT CAT BAT CAT BAT CAT BAT CAT and I AM SUICIDE.

>Using the very comics to point out stupid shit is a very dense thing to do
Just imagine what that says about YOU

I like the idea Bruce tried to kill himself

The fuck are you talking about? Selina stopped being the lonely cat lady who doesn't take care of herself and only live for work and a man that couldn't give a rat ass about her, to the point he shucked her outside a tall building's window. Once she wakes up and see that the only ones around her are the cats that are trying to nurse her back to life, she decides to dress up as a sexy dominatrix in leather that resemble a cat and go out for vengeance. It's crazy, but it fits.

>she
SPOILERS!

Because you aren't smart for pointing out something that even 12 year old kids can see and understand, and because the whole thing is built as a house of cards. You pull one thing and the whole things folds up under.

Okay, who did it? Which one of you Phantasm fans used the Paw this time? I know I didn't, so it must have been someone else around here.

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Not that user, but that whole gag ran its course, and its pretty lame now.

>comic books shouldn't ever criticize things or express opinions
that's what stories DO you fucking retard.

>waah my comic for 13 year olds is like a comic for 13 years olds
shut the fuck up dude

You've bad taste. Batman was always suicidal, but King literally took everything neat from the concept by making too damn literal. And then he doesn't even have the guts to remain consistent with the goddamn take.

Poking fun at comic troupes for being silly is literally cancer. It's shit le ironic people do make themselves appear be smart.

Sure. I can see that. But thinking it's thrown in your face constantly and is inescapable is just wrong. Also, even if the joke is lame by now which is probably is, what he did for Kite-Man is objectively good for the overall mythology (again, even if it is tired at this point)

I don't see the problem with symbolism being literal to be honest. In a lot ways it's more powerful than sub-text. Not everything needs to be laid out explicitly in that I agree. I just thought this time it worked for me.

Sue me.

Oh c'mon, you saying that we can't poke fun at ourselves? That's what exactly makes us so fragile.

>Poking fun at comic troupes for being silly is literally cancer
you probably shouldn't read comics then

I agree that considering inescapable is wrong.
"Objectively good" tho? I like it, i can see how anyone would dislike it. So it's whatever.

Except that most of the time when writers make fun of tropes that everyone that reads comics is aware of it just comes off as them hating the inherent silliness of comic books.

You just have shit taste.

He condensed Kite-Man to be about a single catchy, funny phrase just because social media once told him that had been fun. That's all Kite-Man is about now thanks to King.

It's like the Penguin actually being a legit penguin fucker, because...? Well, he's known as the Penguin! Get it? Ha! Ain't King clever and ironic?

How is fleshing an obscure character with zero personality or backstory ever a bad thing

>King ruins another character

Batman literally being suicide. Is fucking dumb beyond words. Same for Batman screaming "BATMAN IS SUICIDE!

>Anything you like is shit, everything I like is great
Wow you must be an intellectual

>Tom King ruined Kite-Man!!!
No one fucking cared about Kite-Man. No one. And how is adding a generic tragic backstory 'condensecing him down to a catchphrase'? Yes. He says le funny joke xD. That's more then he has ever done in all of comics. He's fucking KITE MAN.

>Giving Kite-Man a catchphrase and a backstory is like making Penguin FUCK Penguins
What the fuck is wrong with you

This is gonna suck so much.

>>Anything you like is shit, everything I like is great
>Wow you must be an intellectual
I'm not the one defending King's Batman here.

Because a small child who watched his parents murdered in front of him would never ever consider suicide. I liked it. It worked for me. Cry about it.

Uh ok. You sure got me user way to prove your IQ I have now changed my opinion completely

The Robins joking among themselves to see which one of them have died or been dead more times during a diner can be funny in a sort of sad and creepily, self-aware way.
Bruce confessing about how hurt he is that his sidekick have died many times over his watch can be very sad and poignant.
Having the whole Bat-Family joking about their many deaths every fucking time they get together in a book not only is too much, but rand all those previous instance above losing whatever meaning they ever had.
It simple becomes a stale joke and crutch that the writer use because he has nothing to do use to poke fun of the medium.

>not wanting Batcat to unmask the Phantasm only to reveal it's been Kiteman the whole time

Making it something people dont like after running the gag to the ground, Tom.

Consider, is one thing. Attempt it, another. Forsake his live to dedicate himself to live on the constant edge of death for a higher purpose, something else. Seeing himself as suicide and screaming that he is suicide? Just plain fucking dumb.

It's like thinking that i'm a fart and that my whole being is a fat because i like to fart on people's faces as a hobby.

I am still fucking mad they didn't name the Phantasm "The Grey Ghost". It's such a waste of a good name and would have been a great reference. Instead we get this Melvin that may or may not be dead.

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>He condensed Kite-Man to be about a single catchy, funny phrase just because social media once told him that had been fun
And you know what? Social media was right.

Condensing Kite-Man entire existence to a catchy phrase and backstory makes him extremely one-dimensional, specially when he only appears to remind everyone of that damn catchy phrase that was only funny once or twice. You end up reducing the character to a stale joke that everybody is fucking tired off.

>Condensing Kite-Man entire existence to a catchy phrase and backstory makes him extremely one-dimensional
Because Kite-Man was such a great, complex character before, right? What the fuck is even your point? It's KITE-MAN. He flew a fucking KITE. That's it. That was his character.

You sound like a fucking joke honestly.

King's dick must be real good for you to be defending him this hard.

My point that he overstayed his welcome. He was funny once, then sad when we learned why she says that shit, and every time he appears he's just shit. And my point was more about Kiteman is an example of King being a goddamn hack.

Even Gail Simone, of all people, managed to turn fucking Catwoman into something.

Ad hominem attacks can't distract from the point that Tom King's ironic version of Kite-Man is more trite than the original obscure "silly" version.

Is it? Can anyone even tell me any of his stories without using google?

Catman. I mean Catman. See? Catman is so forgettable and even then Simone turned him around.

Let's be real, even Dini couldn't successfully write a sequel to Phantasm. I'm not expecting much from King.

Hell Yeah

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It's not a sequel, I think. More like a reimagining or a whole new story with some of the same concepts.

we file all that away with the "Bruce fucked Barb and she got an abortion and that's why Dick left" bin of trash

I can't believe Tom King ruined the greatest Batman villain of all time. What was he thinking?

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Comics are silly, user. You just have to accept it. Otherwise go work writing scripts for movies.

I'm not saying it's not fun but that's a shallow and generic bad guy with a gimmick.

No fucking no Phantasm was fine in the DCAU and if she was to be brought to the comics it shouldn't have been by King. Much less to reinforce Batcat bullshit.

Yes

>So, how will King shit all over Andrea to make Catwoman look better?
This was my first thought. There goes King ruin another chaarcter

>turning Batman's deadliest foe into a le funny man xD
How could DiDio let this happen
truly nothing is sacred. what the fuck am I supposed to tell my kids? that batman's most iconic villain is merely a joke? i have more respect than that

Pic related
>ONE
>PUNCH
>KITE

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Hey. Hey retard. News flash. Kite-Man was always a shallow generic bad guy you fucking idiot. that's the fucking point

>Even Gail Simone, of all people, managed to turn fucking Catwoman into something.
I know you meant Catman and yeah she did, sexy beefcake Catman.

Who writes the best catwoman?
King or Joelle Jones?

>that's the fucking point
But you can do more with it, there's nothing wrong with doing more to Kite-man.

Brubaker

I don't think this it's Angela. I think it's that girl from the Snyder run with the red hair, the one based on the Earth-Two Batman's first love interest. I can't remember her name. Julia?

Julie Madison? So now he's going to ruin two characters at once?

>But you can do more with it
You mean like giving a tragic backstory that explains that he became a gimmick-joke villain out of love for his daughter and then slowly went nuts and that everytime he says "Hell Yeah" he's actually remembering his daughter?

wow if only someone had thought of that that would've made for a good two issue story by Tom King that you obviously haven't read

Yes, Julia. Not that she is a great character, but I see no reason to make her the bad woman.

She appeared in Batman Adventures. Written by Slott no less.

Hell Yeah

Please see

And then you do it over, and over, and over, and over again until nobody is giving a rat ass to this guy's daughter and his stupid catch-phrase.

Well for three reasons, both equally important
1) Both are the first Love Interests Bruce had in either canon
2) Bruce tried giving up the Cowl for both
and most importantly
3) they both have red hair

plus from a writer/editor standpoint it just allows for more creative freedom and less inevtible fan backlash.

Ok. I have admitted several times that is more than likely tired at this point. But you're arguing that King turned Kite-Man into a one-dimensional character and it's fucking retarded. Critize him all you want but Kite-Man was a nobody F-List villain that no one cared about, loved or hated, or even fucking knew about it until King.

It'd give more fan back-lash. Now you've the Phantom niggas and the Julie Madison niggas angry that the characters were thrown under the bus for the sake of Catwoman.

>both
i dont know how english works

Not really. You give an out for the Andrea fans (Oh, you see, that wasn't the REAL Phantasm,, you have to buy the annual to find out how we retcon it!) and the only one who cares about Julia is Snyder and he's busy doing his Morrison impression

Oh well that's another appearance then. The one I'm talking about is independent from the film and treats Phantasm as a kind of mercenary/assassin for hire. I believe that's in keeping with the JLU Epilogue episode (which, to be fair, is awful and worth forgetting for what it does to Batman Beyond).

based Slott, best Batman writer currently employed by the Big 2

>Comics are silly
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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I wonder if that's a joke. Slott was pretty reviled by Yea Forums last time I was a regular here (mostly for Spider-Man mind you) but his Arkham Asylum story is legitimately great and is usually recognized as such on Yea Forums.

I like that Terry is a Bruce clone desu. Not really in the context of the DCAU but more in the overall canon or mythology or whatever the fuck you want to call it. We keep seeing over and over again that, sure, anyone can be the Batman, but actually BEING the Batman takes such a psychological toll that it either breaks every individual who tries, either physically or emotionally. There always has to be a Batman, and it always has to be Bruce. One of the n52 annuals shows us a future where every Batman wakes up to an older version of themselves immediately after his parent are killed. The older Bats acts as a sort of Alfred or mentor to the new one until he dies, and then that one gets old and wakes a clone and it goes on and on forever.

But with Terry we get that Batgod/Wayne-Magic stuff and we don't actually just have to do Bruce again, or deal with the baggage of the Robin legacy. Also, all other major candidates for Batman II have either had the mantle and gave it up, or we've seen why they shouldn't have the mantle in the case of Damian.

The only other logical choice is Tim but then you run the risk of redundancy because when you really think about it, Terry is DCAU Tim and the actual DCAU Tim is Jason.

tl;dr the clone thing is neato

What Arkham Asylum story?

>tl;dr the clone thing is neato

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What is King going to make Andrea all prissy that Bruce is with Selina to make her look bad and Selina look better after they both left him after being engaged or some shit?

It's better than this at least

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I don't know why you're posting fanfiction user.

The cover is dope and that's all that really matters isn't it?

as I said earlier,

Arkham Asylum: Living Hell
It's about a white collar criminal who claims he's crazy to avoid jail time and ends up getting sent to Arkham. It's a 4 issue miniseries I believe, and it's not really a Batman story so much as it's an Arkham story. It's really good though! Came out in the early 2000s if memory serves.

That's not the point, you broken record. A bad take on an obscure character shouldn't be excused simply because it's the only thing done with the character in years.

Yup, it's a real monkey's paw situation.

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King's great.

I expect the entire first issue to just be Andrea monologuing about her past and why she's the Phantasm in super repetitive overly wordy narration boxes.

Terry's DNA in the DCAU was just half Bruce's. The other half was from his mother. He's his son, not his clone.

Tom King sucks, why is he still allowed to write Batman

Bonus points if we're lead to believe it's Bruce narrating the issue until the last few pages.

Honestly at this point I have no idea what the hell is going on anymore and Catwoman sucks.

Tom King absolutely stinks. Between him and Bendis, DC Comics has lost a lot of my interest.

They're going to ruin phantasm, aren't them

Getting real sick of catwoman btw

Tom Fink
Tom Fink
Tom King's therapist: Why don't you work out your deep, personal issues in a constructive way, like destroying iconic comic book characters?

this is just hilarious how he’s getting fired. Not surprised though, given how trash his run has been

The sales drop with that awful Knightmare arc. What do he think would happen? That DC was going just to sit and do nothing, while their most important title sank.

>Phantasm is introduced
>Is written by King
>Nuclear Man is introduced
>Killed off immediately by Bendis
Why?

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>A three month long dream sequence that has no consequences
WHAT WERE THEY THINKING!?

Good news: Tom King is off Batman
Bad news: We still have 14 Catwoman issues of Tom King Batman before he’s off.

W K
My guess: Selina comes back and marries him for real, but she reveals she's trans. Bruce says it's no issue.

So did they really push king off to finish his run on a mini nobody will read? That's hilarious

>King found another old love interest of Bruce to shit on

Can King write this fucking couple without shtting on the women in Bruce's life. Its just gonna end the last two times he did it. With them praising Selina for no damn reason while Bruce sits on his hands.

You think small. Batman reveals he's trans.

Robert Pattinson's potential hire as Batman is starting to make sense to me. Tom King's Batman may be coming to an end in comics but it will live on in movies.

OVER THE FUCKING LINE KING! FUCK YOU DC! FUCK YOU KING! FUCK YOU BENDIS!

Oh this is pretty cool.

I bit my tongue when they screwed over Morrison's Batman inc run due to the new 52.

However this is the final straw. Unlike most of you I admired Tom Kings run for trying something new. It really clicked with me.

Seeing what has happened now I can no longer abide by DC ruining his run so close to the end.

Even if you hate Tom King, I'm sure you could all agree that he deserves to finish what he started.

I've been a DIEHARD DC fan since the 80s. I have bough everything from them and supported them 100%. I have stood thick and thin at all times.

HOWEVER, today I can not stand for what they have done to Tom King.

THIS IS MY VERSION OF SPIDERMAN ONE MORE DAY.

I will never buy another DC comic again.

EVER.

AGAIN.

I hope all you hater cunts are proud of your self.

I hope Didio fucks you and Bendis ruins Batman forever.

nice pasta!

can dc say tom kings run was actually a clone? yes please

When even the sales are depressed by your story, then you have to go. Low-T tom king's career got Yaass Qween Slain!

Is Andrea coming back part of Bane's master plan?

King's version of Kiteman has given the character far more prominence than the original depiction of him. It has more merit than "I just use a kite to commit crime".