Give me (1) reason telepaths shouldn’t be killed on sight

That makes me wonder if any safeguard at all could be implemented if telepaths were few and far between.
>your ex read your mind and saw you wanted to kill us all! Enjoy prison time, creep!

I kinda remember a Yea Forums copypasta that started threads like this.

MFW One of my OCs is an Aura-reading Empath but one of the most understanding individuals(well, sorta) in that work

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>thoughtcrime

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By actively viewing something you introduce another realm of possibility for that thing. In this case by viewing someone's thoughts you indirectly do affect them.

>Give me (1) reason jean gay shouldn’t be killed on sight
ftfy

Wether or not someone unknowingly has his mind read, doesn't make any difference to him. The only one affected is the telepath that now has more knowledge after choosing to read.

This isn't Schrödingers catbrain, since we can look inside the box without opening it.

Literally all of those deserve a death sentence.
You don’t have the right to take away anyone’s free will, read there minds, or invade their privacy because you want to.

People always seem to forget that in this scene Angel was trying to use a time machine that he had no clue how to actually work, and wouldn't fucking listen to anyone at all.

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By that same logic, people being loud assholes outside your window at shitfuck AM also deserves to be killed. I'm not entirely against that concept, but it seems a tad severe.

I just realized I forgot to mention actual Mind Reading, but I'd lump that one in the third category as well, since they all turn you into a living WMD.

Because it will give them a victim complex and earn them sympathy in the public eye. Also, it will give the greater society of telepaths advance warning of their doom

They need to be slowly, methodically hunted down by covert kill-teams

That's wasteful, you could enslave them and use them for criminal investigation.

>Past Jean never came around to turning full-on heel
>Even though to any sane person her actions here and with Bobby were clear indications of that
>Marvel actually believes she never did anything wrong

And Mutants still wonder why they are feared and hated.

>Marvel actually believes she never did anything wrong
These are the same people that think Mockingbird cheating on her husband and then killing her cheater is okay.

They tend to be hot

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Are we STILL pushing the, "Jean made Bobby gay" meme? Yeah, outing him as gay was pretty insensitive, but saying that, "OOOGA BOOGA SHE TURNED HIM INTO A HOMO!!!!1 REEEEEEEEEEEE!!!11!!11!" is just autistic.

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and saying she was raped

Jean making Bobby gay makes more sense than what they actually went with, but whatever, I meant she forcing him to confront things he was clearly not ready/unwilling to deal with yet. Especially when she cornered Present Bobby and squeezed him into admission.

In any case it is an invasion of your mind. People it's impossible to not think of certain things in certain situations, sometimes even just by reflex and nobody should be able to invade this privacy.

A telepath should go around with the power turned off and activated only for work (in case he was a policeman or a judge). Being able to do something doesn't mean you have to do it.

I miss teeen Jean so much

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No need to kill them. They'll come in handy when you're dealing with someone who can't be stopped by physically. Or if you ever run into another Telepath. Duh...

That is what happens. What is more likely, jean turning him gay or her reading his futures self (which might be an alt future) and forcing him to face his gayness? also say what you will, if you ever fucked a girl, you are bi not gay.

Yeah, actually, me too. Especially without Bendis

thats not Rachel

Teen Jean was such a bitch the fucking Phoenix would rather resurrect the dead one than deal with her.

Because they are the way to get information from someone, also fantastic at counter intelligence. Heck just imagine how much good they can do during a hostage situation or help calm the crowds during mass panics.

She's cute

I think we all know who are to blame, the Comanche. We should have finished the job
well by modern definition sex under falls pretenses is rape. Gone are the days when rape just meant physically forcing yourself on a screaming man/woman and when only men could rape

How many times has Jean fucking died? What makes you think killing her would make any difference at all?

you could get the same results with other power sets

Really now? Like what?

It failed

>no one being able to lie to you
>pheromones
>hacking
>mass sleep
one person per power, thus there is less danger of shit going wrong

because comics tend to repeat the most popular stories by freezing the characters on a particular status quo. Jean is destined to be bound forever with the Phoenix. Even if she has now repudiated it, sooner or later it will return to her and with the phoenix, death will also come, because some writer with delusions of protagonism will want to redo the "Dark phoenix saga" again.

>Mass sleep
Congratulations, you now have hundreds of people hitting their head because they suddenly collapsed from sleep. Know what makes it even better? They are blocking the way so emergency services can't pass through, and seeing how they are just laying there it also means they are unable to move away should the situation turn worst. And what you mean by hacking?

This fucking bitch should have stayed dead the first or second time fuck this shit

>How many times has Jean fucking died?
Only twice (Phoenix Saga and New X-men)

That just means they should be shot twice.

i wonder how many times Jean mind controlled someone into fucking her and then erased their memory afterwards

>That just means they should be shot twice.

Not really. The left has always been more compassionate then the right despite what /pol/ tells you. A conservative group of telepaths would have no problem killing and fucking with anyone they don't seem worthy

so what? so mindwiping someone is ok when theyre doing things you dont want them to? youll end up in the pit with them

You're right. They should be tortured for years and years.

>Not really. The left has always been more compassionate then the right despite what /pol/ tells you. A conservative group of telepaths would have no problem killing and fucking with anyone they don't seem worthy

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Exactly what I mean, A liberal is more likely to just change your thoughts but leave you happy and unharmed while a conservative would torture you and probably harm anyone you know with similar mind sets. See posts like
They don't consider anything other then harming them

Shut up shill. They literally want to genocide all of their "oppressors" which includes everyone from the mailman to the president.

>Letting Angel fuck around with a Time Machine that he clearly has no idea how to work, is refusing to listen to anyone and would possibly fuck things up even worse is better than calming him down.

What was that phrase? "They cry in pain while they stab you" or something like that? That's liberals in a nutshell. Removing rights, killing anyone who disagrees, enslaving everyone.

While I can argue much about removing rights (Censorship and harassing creators to change things and remove things) liberals don't kill anyone. That's all conservative shit. /pol/ spawned a mass shooter who killed unarmed children. You can say that liberals are violent and kill anyone that doesn't agree with them but most of the major damage is done by conservatives

thats not calming him down. thats turning him off

Still better then conservatives, don't get so mad that liberal telepaths are more ethical then conservatives ones, in the end there both shitty people

Yes that's how you clam someone down, by turning off the panic switch.

Why is Yea Forums incapable of ignoring bait?

>Lee Harvey Oswald
Not even the soviets wanted him

Conservatives did the Holocaust

Kaczynski hated both sides, and ranted at length about why they sucked in his manifesto.

Only if it wouldn't be observed otherwise. If you need to poke something with a stick to measure it, which is the case with the examples people use for the observers principle because those things can't be affected by outside forces like light or magnetic fields to produce objective results. But that also means that you can't measure them. In those cases you will affect things by observing because you need an outside force to observe them. If you merely observe something that would happen anyway, like looking at sun rays reflect from something or listening to a sound, the force of change is the same with or without you experiencing it. So if the mind reading is passively detecting signals that are already being produced, like concious thoughts creating tiny electrical fields that can be detected from the outside, it wouldn't affect the person at all. On the other hand if you want to see things that aren't immediately detectable like memories which are contained within the brain structure and don't produce direct signals they probably do, I'm not a medical professional but I imagine those signals are significantly weaker than the ones from the more active parts of the brain you do need to "probe" the brain with something the same way MRI does, so in case of fiction that would allow you to see into the memories of that person but it would also affect them even if it wouldn't necessarily be significant enough to notice.

Actually Hitler was a socialist vegan gay jew.

>man who wrote a manifesto about how much he hated liberals
>man who wanted to start a race war and turn blacks into a slave race
>islamic extremist
>politically neutral autist
>two edgemasters who were fans of Timothy McVeigh and did their shooting on Hitler's birthday they liked him so much
>only actual lefty

Is the baseball shooter on the list because he should be.

>comparing leaders of totalitarian pseudo communist governments to some American activists who they have almost exactly zero ideological overlap with
You are legitimately retarded.

I can't. They're abominations, ticking time bombs that need to be defused. I would suggest lobotomies, but that's the kind of cruelty that their ilk would dish out onto those who oppose them. No, a bullet to the head is the only sensible solution to the telepath problem.

those are leftists not liberals. liberals are stereotypical bleeding hearts who wouldn't read someone's mind without asking politely first.

Conservatives are just more prone to do evil shit then liberals

No. DEATH FOR THE MIND READERS

if it was that bad they should have just beat his ass. Anyways the problem here isn't the specific example buddy

Ubermenschen vs Chosen Ones, and we're supposed to care that one side lost?

Not even close to the same thing.
One is someone being annoying, the other is someone taking away someone’s privacy and free will.

just make them taste their own medicine

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>try to hunt down telepaths
>they're forced to use their powers in increasing more complex ways, giving them a reason to go evil and brainwash everyone
Yeah, genius plan.

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Fucking yanks and their fucking false dichotomies

>either choose corrupt sociopathic yuppies with racist undertones who only care for the rich
>or corrupt preachy moral guardians with authoritarian undertones who only care for the upper middle class
Yeah, what a great choice to fling shit at each other for

They're actually all corrupt boomers who set up a little game to keep the masses occupied. 2 party system means money always wins.

I was about to post "you'd use telepaths to deal with the telepaths", but then I realized you could probably develop machines to do that instead.

>Socialists are conservative
Freedom is slavery
Ignorance is strength

As long as she puts him back the way he was afterward, the mindrape is probably preferable to being beaten unconscious.

2 and 3 are both kill on sight.

There's not nearly enough porn with creative uses of telepathy if you ask me.

you have to let the person come to that point. she didnt just turn off the panic switch, she shut the damn board off

The problem is, that bullshit stunt basically disregarded a whole lot of Iceman's backstory. He had a lot of canon hetero romances, and suddenly they're all just dismissed.

You know, I thought there was a word for people who are attracted to girls, and to guys as well... Hmm... But I guess silly me, those people obviously don't exist

Moral of the story: if someone suddenly realizes he likes guys, that means all his previous romances with girls were just fake lol

They are can kill all enemies if someone try to do this. Like professor X and Dark Phoenix.

>psych wars
That would have made an epic fucking event, and it would have actually given the "kill all mutants" dorks a somewhat limited legitimate argument.

theres a strong argument for killing a lot of mutants before they have the chance to do damage
irl, theres no way anyone would let someone like kitty pryde live

Every mutie should be killed on sight.

I don't know my X-Men well, isn't her powerset just phasing? How is that a death sentence warrant?

Hey dumbass, 'telepathic communication' =/= mind reading. Telepathic communication means you can say things to people in their head. It's EXACTLY the fucking same as someone being loud outside your window.

She's more or less a perfect killing machine if she's written competently.

I was going too but now I suddenly want to serve and worship them like the lowly worm I am. Wonder who CHANGED my mind?

she can kill anyone by phasing into them
she can't be hurt by conventional weaponry
she can't be held in any prison
the day she decided "im gonna waltz into a nuclear silo and launch everything" is the day she accomplishes it

are there any comics written from an anti-mutant perspective, or at least significantly sympathetic to it?

Judge Dredd

i mean within the marvel universe

That's why you need Psi Cops. Alfred Bester had it right.

but who psi cops the psi cops??

How horrified would Imra be if she met Marvel telepaths?

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They knew you were there before you saw them, and made sure you aimed your gun at someone you would have rather not shot.

Shocked that they use their powers in such greedy ways, and convinced that they're actually an invading race rather than actual humans due to their casual disregard for decency

Robot squads can deal with them. Sentinel’s do a pretty good job killing mutants.

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Wait, what stops Xavier from making har gay too?

Hey you stupid fucking retard, communication goes both ways

>ITT people agree that telepaths ought to be eradicated
>In the Batman thread faggots are unironically suggesting it would be wrong for Batman to kill the joker

They can sense your bad intentions while you stare at them. That is why robots are crucial for mutant neutralization.

Let's see, in one thread, we're talking about a clown, and in this one, we're talking about the biggest menace known to the (fictional) universe.

I feel like calling Joker “a clown” underplays things quite a bit

Good luck killing powerhouses with telepathy as part of their powerset. You better hope they don’t entirely turn on the human specifies

>specifies
Species*

except it is, if you know a telepath CAN read your thoughts, you will self-censor in their presence, by their existence NEAR you, they have absolutely introduced Shcrodingers thoughts - Would you still think about that girls ass or who you were going to vote for if they were nearby, or would you rather wait?

Bobby being gay happened not long after this shit. Why the fuck are people not right to worry? Bobby had multiple strings of female lovers, not just one fucking "beard" but multiple. It's bullshit that he is gay and you know it. I could accept bi, but not gay.

that doesn't justify what jean did. there are other methods of stopping someone from doing something dangerous much more advisable than violating someone's mental autonomy and mindwiping them so they think what you want them to think.

This. With people like silver surfer and strange being accomplished telepaths good luck killling them

>a clown
who's killed hundreds of people?

Themselves. Hard to establish a conspiracy when you can read each other's minds at any given time. Failure to comply results in Demolition.

The biggest problem is that a lot of telepaths don't really seem to have any sense of privacy. Changing people's thoughts or whatever is a problem but is surprisingly rare in fiction. But most telepaths seem to see absolutely nothing wrong with reading the minds of whomever they see fit. I mean, the only one who seems to have any respect for other individuals at all seems to be Martian Manhunter.

Hating telepaths is pleb tier.

Give me one good reason you shouldn't be shot for perpetuating this bull shit.

We need telepaths to tell us we're gay. Otherwise, how will we know?

There is only ONE (1) Telepath I like.
The rest could burn in hell.

How about we just let Jean stay dead?

it would be smarter and more effective to make teaching people how to resist telepathy a part of schooling.

How?

Mutant telepaths can’t control their mind reading, it’s a passive thing they have to actively turn off. Those who can control it in marvel tend to be more reserved in usage

what is the difference between mentally or physically detaining someone? There isn't, she's just more powerful by an order of magnitude, and a part of your subconscious flags it as unfair.

killing telepaths on sight just directly leads to an angry army of telepaths that would rather kill you than die
making everyone immune to telepathy not only robs telepaths of their threat but also makes them less appealing as a possible tool in an unexpected world domination plot.

But how is that achieved?

you teach them
I don;t know how it works. but every now and then you get a character who's mind can't be read thanks to special SHIELD/X-Men/Blacklight whatever training. put that training in public and private schools

a person doesnt shift to a different mental state when being physically retained. even angry and irrational, she altered his mind state to a degree that he didnt seem to realize where he was.

yes, let's just show a bunch of psychics standing around and facing each other while making constipated faces

>Mind Readers
they tend to suffer feedback in response to negative/volatile/disgusting imagery and unless they're super duper skilled their intrusion can be felt if you know what to look out for.
So you feel someone poking around in your head, just mentally gurrobomb them until they stop.

>Influencers
More difficult, it tends to be more of a willpower deal than anything, keep records of your habits and preferences handy so if something feels wrong you can confirm whether or not it's something you'd like to or normally do.

>Brainwashers/rewriters
Document fucking everything, keep multiple copies in multiple formats in various locations, leave copies with loved ones and close friends, create a "blank sheet" plan in case you have to relearn how top be yourself again.

an alternative to the above three options is to just coat your skull in non-magnetic metal (in case of rogue magnetos) and hope for the best.

Magicians too?

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All telepaths should die, absolutely.
However, overt action would result in them going underground and resorting to guerrilla warfare. This plays to their strengths and would be the worst possible scenario.
Ideally, you'd want to eliminate them carefully and inconspicuously, minimizing evidence of an anti-psi conspiricy at all costs. The second they catch on, your going to end up with mind-raping puppetmasters insidiously manipulating people to attack and undermine you at every turn, that's assuming that they can't get at your brain directly.

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She’s white.

the (1) good reason they shouldn't be killed on sight is that they won't let you think of doing it

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Lmao good luck going after magicians, especially people who go ballistic when desperate like Fate or Strange. They happen to be extremely strong telepaths too

Sorcerers are far more dangerous than telepaths. What Nabu is doing in JLD gives more than enough justification for heavy regulation or outright assassination

Dangerous, sure, but they also achieve that power through training and understand the implications of throwing that power around willy nilly.

Telepaths who are born with it fuck with people's minds because they can, and they never get a good story where they talk about how they don't like to mess with people's minds because they really fucked up someone close to them doing that, to the point that person is basically dead and were replaced with a stock personality, so their meat is still moving around, but whatever is driving it isn't who that person was, its just some thing that acts according to what the telepath thought they were like.

an empath wouldn't be understanding, they'd be a sociopath. they would be able to clearly feel everyone's motivations and the fundamental driving forces behind them. say just the right thing to the right person and you can change their mind if you know their mood perfectly. imagine having that power since you were a kid. no one would even notice, they would just think the empath was super charismatic

>understand the implications of throwing that power around willy nilly.
Understanding means jack shit when they go full mass murderer mode because they want to for “the greater good”. Sure, they don’t usually go crazy that often, but they do

>As long as she puts him back the way he was afterward
When has that ever been a thing?

The thing about strong magic users is you can’t kill them except with a stronger reality warper/magic user, and even that isn’t guaranteed, so you can only put up with them. Plus there’s also the fact that they usually guard against threats others are unable to handle, so it’s in your best interest to keep them alive, even those like Dr Fate

there is only one solution

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Exterminatus

Hey now, Venom. Dont be so cocky...

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Jean grey didnt have to use mind magic on this one

>if man bat killes jocka hes bad becas killing is bad
>Telepaths should be destroyd and raped and killed becaus i dont like them

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I would love to write a marvel event where I just kill or heavily nerf every fucking telepath.

Hold on, aren't symbiots immune to that?

>a bunch of psychics standing around and facing each other while making constipated faces
Nah, there'd be plenty of ARRRUUGH to go around as well.

We talking about Jean here. She is a gamer girl, she has phoenix and cant be wrong!!! so its doesnt matter.

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Teen Jean is cute.

>heavily nerf every fucking telepath
More like
>heavily nerf every fucking superhero
That at least would lessen the problem of Earth being filled with literal gods and reality warpers, but almost nothing changes.
Oh wait, you talking about Marvel? Nevermind, it will be reverted back as soon as possible.

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Kek
Double irony cause venom has been gy as hell for years already

She could have simply put him to sleep. She went the extra mile to fuck with his head