What are some retarded things that happened comics?
What are some retarded things that happened comics?
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Kayden Hill
>that happened comics
Noah Davis
Green Lantern turned his friend into a bird because he had a dream
Justin Bailey
DC retconned the Metal Men to not be intelligent robots, but possessed by the brainwaves of Will Magnus's dead friends and fiancée.
Mason Perry
Fucking prove it
William Barnes
>Xorn bullshit
>conspiracy to make Nightcrawler pope then make him look like the antichrist, and incinerate Catholics with communion wafers to make it look like they were raptured even though Catholics don't believe in the rapture
>Carol giving birth to her own rapist
>Aquaman curing Black Manta's autism
Connor Wood
Michael Bennett
Congratulations you sad fuck, you just wasted miniscule seconds of your fucking life to greentext.
Brandon Wood
Gavin Powell
James Walker
Green Lantern is such fucking bullshit
Oliver Fisher
Marvel brought back this guy, a minor public domain hero who switched sides during WWII to join the Nazis, killed hundreds of people (and was implied to have committed death camp atrocities and raids on European villages), planned to perform Dr. Mengele-esque experiments on The Invaders and tried to kill millions of civilians to keep the US from getting involved in the war....
...And made him a member of The X-Men who quotes ''Woke'' Twitter jargon, hates Trump and spouts "Science!" memes.
Kevin Roberts
>If Marvel editorial had caught and changed that one line of dialogue that unintentionally made Marcus sound like a rapist, Carol would probably still be in Limbo with her son/lover.
Are we living in the wrong timeline?
Ryder White
They at least offered an explanation for Brain Drain turning face, even if it was lame and contradictory.
Aiden Clark
Wolverine's overpowered healing factor that literally lets him survive a direct hit from a nuclear bomb is pretty retarded.
Anthony Thompson
Matthew Robinson
Whenever Wolverine dies, he fights and beats the Archangel Azrael in order to come back.
Samuel Stewart
Also the pizza guy.
Evan Lewis
Benjamin Sullivan
>to make it look like they were raptured even though Catholics don't believe in the rapture
Just how stupid has one to be to make such a mistake.
Josiah Bell
Jayden Cook
Captain America's version of that story was worse, the real Steve Rogers is still HydraCap.
John Ross
Right, Tony has an Alfred too.
Nathan Powell
and grow back from a single drip of blood.
Also his blood can heal any wound according to this week's Savage Avengers
Jackson Sanders
Nora Fries once got superpowers.
Connor Ortiz
Goddammit Hal.
Brayden Cruz
Lincoln Flores
>>Aquaman curing Black Manta's autism
to be fair he was just pretending to be retarded
Caleb Jones
John Jenkins
Hawkman or why comics where a mistake.
Zachary Ward
A substantial number of cape writers don't do any research whatsoever.
Andrew Jenkins
Bold of Marvel to introduce a Black Nick Fury who is neither as cool as his father or Samuel L. Jackson.
Josiah Cooper
Zero Hour really fucked up 90's Hawkman.
Luis Sullivan
You know Arisia from the cartoons? Well she originally looked like a little girl, she used the ring to age herself up so she could bang Hall Jordan.
Aiden Wright
Byrne's stupid pointless Wonder Girl retcons
Landon Collins
Let’s not forget the ones to Supergirl and Power Girl so that Supes could be the last son of Kripton
Isaiah Gutierrez
A Guardian and a Zamaron once horribly mutated five people to become the NEW Guardians of the Universe and create a race of immortals.
BTW, of the eight NEW Guardians (three chose not to get mutated), only four of them were males. One of them was already married, one was a plant, one was gay, and the other lost his dick in the mutation.
Smart people these Guardians.
Ryan Butler
My in-laws are Catholic. Catholics do *kinda* believe in the Rapture. As in they agree that the verses involved point to something big will happen, they're just not 100% convinced it's going to literally mean lots of people going poof. It's considered a possible interpretation but there's other possibilities worth discussing.
That storyline is still stupid, but that particular thing is less stupid then it looks at a glance. Less. :P
Josiah Bell
I don't know what it was about the 80's, but DC was neck deep with creeps.
Camden Hall
Marv Wolfman wrote himself marrying Donna Troy.
Gabriel Peterson
funny enough, that was written by Englehart.
Gerard Jones is an actual pedophile, but he wasn't responsible for that horrible moment in Hal's history
Connor Flores
Spoiler was tortured and murdered for sales.
Anthony Morales
And '52' retconned it all away in two panels. Yee-haaa.
Elijah Clark
>the 80's, but DC was neck deep with creeps.
and most of them were Marvel employees that Shooter had successfully pissed off and quit
Oliver Garcia
Also that Platina: wow.
Not a great command of language, do you, son?
Jace Hill
And now all Hawkmen ever anywhere are the same guy atoning.
Zachary Bell
No! In spite of everything that has happened to the character over the last decade, I still believe in Carol.
It grates. And they have zero excuse in this day and age.
Oh, may the spirit of Will Cuppy smite their unworthy souls.
Jeremiah Taylor
>The Inhumans conquered the Kree and Shi'ar and slapped the skrulls into oblivion
>Attilan was parked in Hala
>They give up all that including control over Hala so they can fight the kree all over again and take control over Hala
I mean it was just an excuse to free them up so they can come back to earth but surely they could have thought up something better than fucking fighting over a city you already owned and gave up by choice.
Robert Young
They believe there will be a second coming, where Jesus visibly appears. That is different from the Rapture, which is generally the idea that saved people will disappear instantly some day without explanation. The Rapture idea is an American idea popular in American Baptist circles. I understand it started in the 1800s based on a vision some teen girl had. Then people retroactively tried to find Bible verses that fit that. If there are any Catholics that believe this stuff they are diverging from church teachings.
Sebastian Walker
Underworld Unleashed.
Just. Underworld Unleashed.
Thomas Turner
Lots of people remembering that now because Snyder's doing it again with "Year of the Villain"
Jaxson Edwards
Snyder literally can't come up with an original idea, can he?
Matthew Thomas
>Bruce Wayne gets framed for murder
>It's a super frame up. Even being Batman removed as an alibi.
>Bruce decides to have a hissy fit and give up being Bruce Wayne
>Doesn't bother telling ANYONE that he is innocent
>Bat Family forced to spin their wheels uncovering one of the most convoluted plots in bat-history
This arc should've been shot down in the planning stages.
Christopher Miller
A simple divorce would be fine...
Luke Ross
Why don't they just use Harry instead?
David Edwards
New 52 retconning Mr. Freeze's wife to not be his wife but just a woman he was obsessed with
Robert Jackson
I always thought Circe looked too cute.
Easton Martin
Well, originally Nora wasn't even part of his story. That all came from the animated series.
Jackson Clark
Remember when Tony was revealed to be adopted?
Daniel Gomez
It least it was mercifully short.
But I'm never a fan of introducing an OC that ignores what was happening in the same setting in other books
Blake Cooper
Most comicbook writers are skeevy fucks
Cooper Wilson
Speaking of that. How was Nora integrated into the comics after the BTAS interpretation became so popular?
Nicholas Mitchell
Most of the 2000s. And a lot of the 2010s, at least.
Jayden Sanchez
>the real Steve Rogers is still HydraCap.
Nope
>Earth-61311 Captain America raised by fascist, loyal to Hydra; a duplicate of Captain America-616 was created by the sentient cosmic cube Kobik with his past/reality overwritten with Cap-61311's; this Captain America led Hydra to conquer America in Reality-616 until original Cap-616 located and defeated this fascist duplicate. Captain America: Sam Wilson #7 (2016)
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Jackson Cox
Landon Baker
>The Inhumans conquered the Kree and Shi'ar and slapped the skrulls into oblivion
Why do comic books not take into account the scale of so-called 'stellar empires'?
This is a larger thing that bothers me, cosmic hardly feels cosmic because the writers don't understand how big the universe or even 'just' a galaxy is.
And for major events they shoot all the way up to THE ENTIRE MULTIVERSE IS AT STAKE for cheap hype.
Jacob Wilson
Makes sense.. So are most of Yea Forums.
Jace Ward
CHALLENGER APPEARS
Grayson Jenkins
Fanboy writers are an actual problem with the likes of DC/Marvel.
Colton Turner
Such a shame this went nowhere.
Sebastian Flores
And she had just been made a Robin for a total of what? Three issues?
All to make the ending more “shocking” while making Bruce look like a massive dick and Steph like an enormous idiot
Gavin Johnson
>Why do comic books not take into account the scale of so-called 'stellar empires'?
Because 40K teaches us how cringe that can be.
Jonathan Cook
I dunno, Robot Tina unintentionally cucking Human Tina's husband (Human Iron) was pretty kino tbqh
Adrian Edwards
Your post makes no sense.
Alexander Davis
But 40k has that same exact issue too, with a chapter of just 1000 space marines (which aren’t usually deployed all together, usually just a couple of 100 men companies) being able to defend a planet by a Tyranid swarm completely engulfing it or less than a million of them being enough as a defense for the whole galaxy in a constant state of war (sure, there is the PDF and the Imperial Guard, but those are often not considered enough)
Carson Cooper
Reminder that Killer Moth never returned to his human form after this event and was Charaxes all the way up to death in Infinite Crisis
Carson Cox
I am still waiting for it to be retconned.
In a few months, Arno is going to kick Tony out altogether and become the new Superior Iron Man for a year, ending in him trying to bring the original Godkiller to Earth to fulfill 451's original plan.
William Hughes
Norman's Tommy Lee Jones face looks so fucking goofy all the time. Like imagine getting cucked by Tommy Lee Jones. They drew him with that all the time in the 2000s with Dark Reign and shit
Justin Butler
Yeah didn't Star Wars have that issue too?
Like in the novels the stated number of clone troopers created wouldn't be enough to have even a single one of them garrisoning each Republic planet.
And yet they are portrayed as the main force of the republic armies, not even being backed up by 'normal' non-clone soldiers.
David Roberts
Atlantean Peej was good though
80% of the outrage is from nerds mad they can't self-insert and marry their waifus
Gain taste
Xavier Morgan
So would that mean Spider-Man is getting cucked by Two-Face instead?
Isaiah Parker
I don't give a shit what canon says. my headcanon is that Secret Empire never happened.
Ryan Ortiz
Identity Crisis at least set up Infinite Crisis which in turn revived the Multiverse.
Heroes in Crisis just killed off a bunch of people and turned Wally into a monster.
Nolan Ortiz
Jordan Jenkins
Identity Crisis really fucked DC up in the 2000s, it was edgeland. I really like Infinite Crisis but we didn't need Identity Crisis. Not to mention that it messed characterizations, too. Heroes in Crisis is a shitshow but it seems like its getting swept under the rug. King is being forced to slowly retcon it on social media so thats a plus. DC listened to the fans and probably stopped King before it was too late. Hopefully, Johns gets rid of HiC in Doomsday Clock or the fans eventually get King to say the whole story was a dream. King was definetely planning something far worse for the characters but was stopped by someone, he would have doubled the "deep" and "emotional" depression and mental illness shit
Wyatt Taylor
Colton Anderson
Cameron Cox
This woman is the greatest actress in the Marvel Universe, even in death she still played her part.
Tyler Sanchez
Identity crisis made me root for a rapist. It's really hard to do it, but the only way to do it is to have someone go clockwork orange on him.
Jaxson Watson
Aunt May should have died off LONG ago.
Christopher Morales
Its weird how hard WW is pushed as part of the Trinity, when her very origin is as a stupid fetish character for her creators fetish that was also his political/lifestyle manifesto.
Andrew Bell
>Why don't they just use Harry instead?
Because it hurts Peter and (You) more if it's Norman.
Jack Barnes
The actual comics never explained any of that properly, nor ever explain why the good Captain America is the real one and the evil one is the fake.
Angel Gonzalez
not really, it'll hurt more if a best friend betrayed peter's trust. The creepy dad just makes it disgusting. I guess thats what they were going for.
Robert Reyes
Which one was that?
Lead?
Tin?
Caleb Cox
>80% of the outrage is from nerds mad they can't self-insert and marry their waifus
Even if other forums turned against Wolfman for this, you would think Yea Forums might respect him for living the dream.
Joseph Sanchez
Like many Avengers, Hank Pym went crazy and hit Janet. But because Janet had tricked him into a marriage Hank was never allowed to forget it. Until The Crossing. Where it was revealed that Hank's breakdowns were a result of Kang's subtle mental manipulations and that rather than be controlled Hank's mind broke. Forcing Kang to subvert Tony Stark's more pliable mind. However The Crossing was not particularly popular, Busiek in Avengers Forever decided among the variety of continuity issues he sought to fix also to undo this. They revealed that it was not Kang but Immortus posing as Kang, who perpetrated the Crossing. And Immortus had lied and no one was responsible for Hank's breakdowns.
Kevin Reyes
Boners are 99.9% of the reason for any creative endeavor.
Luis Garcia
I mean technically the original version of the character never swapped sides or displayed any kind of evil intent. He was just a generic superhero science guy. Roy Thomas, when doing the 1990s Invade miniseries wanted the villains to be a team of forgotten golden age Marvel characters who had defected and become nazis like Silver Scorpion, Dynamic Man etc, but editorial intervened and demanded the story be changed. They didn't want to see any Marvel character, even a long forgotten one turned into a nazi.
So instead Thomas took a bunch of public domain superheroes from companies like Nedor, revamped them into having turned nazi and made them the team Battle Axis. And he renamed Dr Nemesis into Dr Death because there was already a modern-day villain called Dr Nemesis (a now mostly forgotten enemy of Ant-man).
This led to all the weird atrocity stuff, and the revelation that Nemesis was the co-creator of the original Human Torch and thus one of the architects of the Marvel Universe. Of course he also died at the end of the series.
And THEN he got brought back over 15 years later with very little explanation or motivation, which was just fucking strange.
And of course we later had fucking Captain America turned into a Nazi expy, so those editorial concerns from 1993 seem very quaint today.
Gavin Scott
Was madam hydra also part of that universe? How the hell did she jump in to the main universe? The whole thing was ludicrously stupid
Connor Harris
Underworld Unleashed had a bunch of important results and some of the tie-ins were great, though.
Also the core story was resolved by the Trickster (the OG one not the shitty Johns replacement) tricking Neron, which was insanely kino.
David Stewart
Basically Busiek hated that an external force was blamed for Hank having his breakdown beause he respected the original stories too much, so he used Avengers Forever to de-canonize The Crossing.
I mean I don't blame him, the Crossing was fucking shit.
Ryder Mitchell
>Like many Avengers, Hank Pym went crazy and hit Janet.
You can't just say that and not tell us who else did that.
>And Immortus had lied and no one was responsible for Hank's breakdowns.
Undoing a well-intentioned retcon designed to allow Pym and Wasp to be together without the controversy of wife-beating haunting them forever, which it has done. It's hard to argue that Hank wouldn't have been better off if they let it remain Kang's fault.
Bentley Moore
What's worse is that while it would be an awful betrayal, there's some sense to it. There's whole stories from that era where they keep bringing up Peter being absent a lot and their relationship felt rocky at times.
Landon Jackson
did Carol forget he was in one of those concentration camps?
Asher Cooper
Why was Pym ruined just because he hit Jatent once?
There have been many worse stuff done by other heroes and he is the one that gets shitted on.
James Carter
Busiek also retconned mutant Wasp out of existence.
She actually had her very first action figure EVER with this design in the 90s Spider-Man line
Charles Russell
Does Carol look like she even believes in those camps?
Caleb Davis
He can't keep getting away with it!
Adam Foster
It still happened, and just like the teenaged Iron Man, it was fixed by Heroes Reborn.
Isaiah Peterson
Luis Reed
Characters doing "worse" things that are literally impossible in the real world don't seem to get it held against them as badly as characters who do mundane real world "bad" things. Hank Pym hit his wife, Cyclops walked out on his wife, and fandom won't let it be forgotten.
Peter Parker hit his wife once, arguably before realizing it was her he was hitting, and Reed Richards hit his wife once because someone had to do it, and most people don't remember it because there are a lot of more important things to remember about them. Hank hitting his wife became the most important and memorable thing he ever did, and the only serious attempt to retcon it away was itself retconned.
Brody Stewart
>You can't just say that and not tell us who else did that.
A bunch. Someone went crazy/mind-controlled Jan would get in there and get smacked down to show how serious it was. Clint got mind-whammied into it. Tony Stark "killed" her during the Crossing.
Jose Cooper
Thank you for being prepared for that question and having a pic ready. Who's the kid?
Ian Bell
Yes it happened but it was never referenced again, especially the fact that mutant Jan was Hank's fault for implanting her with stuff that she didn't know about.
Colton Edwards
Just a kid who was in Avengers Mansion for that story.
Hunter Wilson
Is that Avengers Disassembled She-Hulk?
Jayden Clark
Reminder that the rapture isn't in the Bible at all and should be considered heretical
Jeremiah Gomez
Ah yes, Amazons Attack. One of those events that make you question if DC actually has editors.
Cameron Cook
Signs point to yes.
Jonathan Roberts
Wonder Woman is like a broken vase that keeps getting more broken every time she's "fixed".
Mason Richardson
that's not retarded
Jordan Jenkins
While I hate that Byrne tore up all the continuity patches that Wolfman had labioriously put on Donna, his attempt to retcon the Demon was worse. Fortunately that one got shitcanned in a few years.
Colton Perez
>Gwen sleeps with Harry Osborn in a moment of weakness
>She becomes pregant with his kids
>Norman finds out and wants to raise them as his weapons against peter
>Gwen runs away and Green Goblin snaps again
I can see it working
Luis Mitchell
>With enough nocturnal willpower, a lantern can augment's a person's essence into another form
bruh
Nicholas Scott
He's also Dream's grandfather.
Juan Kelly
This was the event where everyone thought that the demons were going after Superman because he was so pure, but in reality they were going after Billy Batson who was beyond the purity, right?
Joseph Evans
Why didn't the likes of Superman and Flash just crush the genocidal invaders instead of sitting on their hands?
Why did people like Super Girl think kidnapping the president and handing him over to the invaders would end the violence?
Nathaniel Garcia
Nocturnal Willpower sounds like a euphemism.
Nicholas Evans
John Cruz
Christ all Jan is good for is hitting or fucking
Samuel Reed
And you niggaz still complain about him beating Ben Tennyson
Ryder Rodriguez
Even the people who have Jan as their waifu only seem to care about the EMH version.
Josiah Martin
EMH Jan was just that good user. Pym was also great. I was dissapointed when i found out how things went for them in the comics.
Julian Smith
All comics are retarded
Cameron Peterson
This caused more damage to the character than anything, even the Clone Saga.
Bentley Butler
>there were no camps
>but there should have been
Aaron Adams
there's a reason Amazons Attack was basically completely ignored almost immediately after if finished
Elijah Rivera
This one?
Liam Foster
I'm still holding out for it all to have taken place in a holodeck, or whatever they're calling it.
Nolan Watson
remember that time marvel came up with 2 seperate x-men villains named holocaust and genocide (although the former got changed to nemesis for obvious reasons)
William Edwards
Because that's major flaw of the DC universe.
In pseudorealistic setting, the Amazons would be decimated and surviving ones would end their days as cocksleeves for concentration camp guards for the shit they've done.
Dylan Thomas
Hey, trying to kill Spider-Man can only fulfill so many of your needs.
Henry Cruz
Obviously dude, she’s a woman
Jonathan Walker
Under rated post
Wyatt Hall
The only problem with the same name for different characters is that sooner or later someone will fuckup and mash them together a la
Camden Gonzalez
Holocaust//Nemesis or whatever his name seemed pretty powerful. Held his own against a Superman analog until he got snort up by him.
Kevin Moore
i know everyone is mad about the rape, but what i really wanna know is this:
how the hell did he rape her and impregnate her... with himself?
how does that work? how does one transfer themself through their own dick???
Gabriel Campbell
How many people play god in their sleep?
Michael Myers
Remember If This Be My Destiny? The most famous Spider-man arc of all time? In the middle of it Stan forgot the henchmen of the previous issue and didn't understand what Ditko was going for, so he wrote dialogue that implied they were someone else's henchmen, unrelated to the plot.
Oh and then theres the issue in the run where he didn't realize who was who in several panels so he had the colorist put Spidey colors on the villain and vice versa, making spidey looks like an asshole
Jack Campbell
Was Carol supposed to come off as a huge fascist twat in this event? Was that really the intent?
Isaiah Torres
It's literally heresy to think that you moron. I have a Catholic bible and it straight up says in the introduction to the Book of Revelation that it is a work of social commentary on 1st centyry Rome and not a prophecy.
Aaron Young
But that’s hot
Jaxson Barnes
And to make matters worse, it turned out that Leslie Thompkins could have saved her, but decided to let her die solely to "teach Bruce a lesson". It was so stupid and so wildly out of character that it was eventually retconned that Leslie was lying and in reality had helped fake Spoiler's death.
Thomas Myers
Probably because Harry was still dead at the time.
Adam Barnes
>Oh and then theres the issue in the run where he didn't realize who was who in several panels so he had the colorist put Spidey colors on the villain and vice versa, making spidey looks like an asshole
That sounds hilarious
>help, I have diabetes
>sounds like a job for sugar!
Dominic Carter
"No more, please - no more. Is this what we are fated to endure? Is there no way out?"
I have the feeling Cap wasn't just Cap in this moment.
Parker Robinson
>Oh and then theres the issue in the run where he didn't realize who was who in several panels so he had the colorist put Spidey colors on the villain and vice versa, making spidey looks like an asshole
Part of that was Steve fucking with him, by drawing a villain who looked a lot like Spidey (Looter or the Human Fly I think?) and then coloring him after Lee wrote the dialog.
Ayden Martinez
>Catholics
>Calling anything Heresy
Bentley Brooks
Then learn grammar you dumb fucking zoomer.
t.pol
Ryan Allen
This made way too much sense. Specially for Pym's idea of "I'm gonna build an invincible killer robot to attack the Avengers and save them so they'll like me again!" (and then failing to stop the robot, too).
Cooper Richardson
Jacob Ward
Imagine him coloring them, laughing all the way.
Nathan Ortiz
Julian Nelson
What the.
"His essence" was transferred into her by "his machines".
So he didn't make her pregnant by raping her in the physical sense - he even says it was a condition "similar to" pregnancy.
Maybe. Carol is a warrior at heart and she has been through a lot of shit. Suddenly she was given the opportunity to avert a lot of evil, she manages to stop Thanos that way but in the process her boyfriend is killed...
Honestly, some of the concepts of "Heroes in Crisis" are not so bad. What happens if someone who can lift a skyscraper and fly it to the moon has a mental breakdown?
Easton Adams
Owen King
>BOONT
Cameron Diaz
I wish I'd saved all the meltdowns in the storytime thread
Brody Brown
The fucked up morality at the big two, where some characters become good guys or befriend the super heroes despite killing a lot of innocent people. Harley, Eddie Brock, Magneto, Wolverine, Deadpool.
Thomas Gonzalez
The sliding time scale might mean some of those things never happened...
Nicholas James
So basically the past can change the present.
Adam Collins
Nah, the storyline was great. The only bad part is the way Sasha is written out.
Luis Morgan
I have a perverted interest in revisiting Byrne's Demon now that I'm familiar with the original Kirby stuff.
Adrian Butler
The real cap's essence was kept in the cube while she recreated Cap with a Nazi background.
Luke Sanchez
When has Wolverine killed INNOCENT people?
Doesn't count if he was brainwashed at the time.
Jace Lopez
The present can change the past.
Connor Roberts
>Just revived
>Got literal fucking super power
>The first thing she did was labeling herself with some autistic name
y tho
Dominic Green
So what you're saying is that a true Nazi like Dr.Nemesis should be a Trump-fan?
Juan Reyes
gotta have the synergy in case if a normie buys a comic they won't be confused. which totally happens all the time
Ayden Phillips
He's the true thieving raccoon in the night
Dylan Miller
>10 abs
Nolan Roberts
>Deadpool
Come on, Wade had hard life.
Juan Jenkins
Those are armor plates. Holocaust is just a skeleton floating in nuclear plasma.
Ryder Bell
Like the time he was raped
Julian Green
>(sure, there is the PDF and the Imperial Guard, but those are often not considered enough)
Actually they are, but since the Marines are the more exciting characters the novels focus on their adventures but in the background the IG fight all the time without Marine help.
Chase Davis
>Remember If This Be My Destiny? The most famous Spider-man arc of all time? In the middle of it Stan forgot the henchmen of the previous issue and didn't understand what Ditko was going for, so he wrote dialogue that implied they were someone else's henchmen, unrelated to the plot.
Wasn't this because Lee and Ditko weren't communicating at all by that point? Lee was scripting pages Ditko had drawn, without being given the information that the henchmen were a set-up for the next issue's story, so wrote them as working for the villain of the current issue?
Jaxson Walker
But it doesn't explain any of this very well at all. People are comparing Secret Empire's themes to The Crossing, a story where the writers withheld details on what was happening, thinking their jobs were secure and they could slowly reveal things over the long term, and what happens to Iron Man is still more comprehensible than what happens to Captain America in Secret Empire. HydraCap was a duplicate Cap with memories from an actual, real AU? There's no infodump moment that properly explains this.
Benjamin Sanchez
How did Hyperion snort a skeleton?
Blake Powell
He could probably snort a tank. He is Superman, after all.
Blake Edwards
>What are some retarded things that happened comics?
Let's see:
One More Day
Hal Jordan becoming Parallax
Countdown existing at all
Geoff Johns still fucking up Wonder Woman's comics
Marvel's Civil War as a whole
The shit that lead to Comicsgate
I could go on
Gabriel Gutierrez
How do more people not realize that Gillen is a hack?
Chase Morgan
>Geoff Johns still fucking up Wonder Woman's comics
What happened? Based on your "still" I assume that the SM/WW ship wasn't the only thing he did then?
Cooper Allen
Civil War at least had enjoyable side stories. Civil War II was entirely irredeemable and everyone even partially involved should've been fired and blacklisted.
Noah Baker
Carol is an authoritarian twat.
Nathan Mitchell
Paul Dini and Mark Buckingham did a Batman: Mr. Freeze one-shot that came out in 1997. It retconed his origin to be similar to the BTAS origin.
Robert Campbell
It was a completely meaningless event quickly rushed out the doors to ride the hype of the Captain America movie by having 'Civil War' in its title.
Jordan Harris
That's their shtick, yeah.
Andrew Perez
When it was revealed that Zatanna mind controlled Catwoman to become a hero. No stated motivation was given to Zatanna. No longer canon. Yes, this really happened.
Dominic Smith
>I assume that the SM/WW ship wasn't the only thing he did then?
Johns kept trying to tank that in Justice League. He literally had Booster Gold say that a Bad Future was going to happen because SM/WW were together.
It's something that Jim Lee has bragged about doing.
Christian Foster
CONVERGENCE
The best filler arc in all of entertainment history.
Where Brainiac finds out about alternative timelines, and has been apparently bottling cities from every timeline before it gets retconned.
N52's Earth2 stumbles upon the planet they're being kept on, asks the cosmic guardian "hey can we live here? Our planet got blown up"
And the cosmic guardian goes "I've got a better idea, BATTLE ROYALE TO SEE WHICH CITY GETS TO INHABIT THE PLANET.
Pre-flashpoint Harley vs Captain Carrot! Parallax Hal vs an entire city because he's an asshole. Freedom Fighters vs Future End cyborg zombies. Etc
Jacob Cook
don't forget that Parallax pre-space bug and a few others decided to go back in time to help stop the Anti-Monitor during COIE
Noah Jenkins
Lazarus Pit is a hell of a drug.
Jace Johnson
Don't forget that it retconned away COIE and restored the pre-Crisis multiverse
Adrian Nguyen
No, just the hilarious irony of Marvel's ''Woke'' team who are supposedly metaphors for oppressed groups welcoming in a Nazi (who had an extremely petty motive for joining the Nazis and was the only member of Battle Axis to display racist tendencies) with open arms who literally hadn't appeared in a decade plus and was never given a solid reason as to why.
Put it this way, if they put Hydra Cap or Master Man on the Avengers, would you and your little "Punch a Nazi!" friends be happy?
Jaxon Barnes
This event killed DC for me.
They could've had fun shit like Adam West Batman and Azbats vs. The Bloodlines aliens, but instead they decided to just have their heroes fight each other for...reasons. So fucking lazy.
Carson Fisher
Hero vs hero Event bullshit is the worst.
Alexander Kelly
>Marvel's Woke team
You mean the West Coast Avengers? or The Champions? or the Ultimates? Or.....
Grayson Hall
Don't forget that Converence had Deimos as the main villain! You all remember the fan favorite villain Deimos, right? He's next to fucking Darkseid in terms of threat you know.
I don't fucking understand why they had the Warlord subplot at all.
Christopher Young
At the time Marvel wasn't a complete shitshow, so guess he means X-Men. Specially with the "metaphors for oppressed groups" remark.
Thomas Jackson
>I don't fucking understand why they had the Warlord subplot at all.
Someone behind the scenes really liked those series.
The Telos ongoing-turned-mini-after-shit-sales series that came after revealed that Telos was actually Arak, Son of Thunder, which was similar book to Warlord that ran at the same time.
I don't think it was one of the backup features in Warlord though
Leo Watson
Eh the actual hero vs hero fights didn't have them kill each other, most of them even respected one another.
The only ones that actually got violent were like Swamp Thing and Vampire Batman kill a bunch of vampires. Or Aquaman fights some edgy assassin.
Otherwise it was The Question trolls Brainiac 5 with a complex brainteaser question.
Landon Fisher
Wolverine ate a dude and murdered his disabled son.
Wolverine murdered a nurse in cold blood and drove her son to suicide after murdering like half his own kids.
Nolan Rivera
> you and your little "Punch a Nazi!" friends
Interesting way of putting it.
Logan Campbell
Convergence was the worst example of it I have ever seen. They literally made all of their heroes look like self-serving assholes by forcing them to attack innocent people (instead of, you know, teaming up to fight the real enemy).
What makes it even worst is that true selflessness is punished. Telos straight up destroys the Superman Red and Blue city for refusing to fight. It's horrible.
It's like they tried to make this event as offensive to fans as possible.
Jackson Torres
>Someone behind the scenes really liked those series.
They had a funny way of showing it.
Oliver Robinson
You could say that for X-men as well.
Brody Barnes
So the Trickster was the only Rogue that Waid could write well?
Carter Nguyen
And to kill War Machine because they saw the Civil War movie trailer and thought he was going to die in it.
Ryder Watson
Somehow as a ghost she was still on makeup playing the part.
Josiah Bell
Didn't Marvel do the exact same thing?
Also Dragon Ball Super?
Chase Reyes
Fucking hack writers inserting their fetishes.
Daniel Butler
You forgot the one that had AIDS.
Camden Cox
Believe it or not, this is actually how a minor villain was defeated in an Alan Moore's book.
Henry Allen
It sure sounds like something Moore would do.
Sebastian Cox
Why does Jocasta has human arms and legs?
Remember when Tony Stark was adopted all along? yeah me neither.
Cameron Ross
That was such a boring and long event.
And DC proudly advertised it by showcasing how many tie-ins it was going to have
>Over 30 crossover issues
>Leads to a Brand New Team called The New Guardians
>Englehart, the brainpower behind the entire event and team quits two issues into the ongoing series spin-off.
It did end up having the first inter-connected covers in comics history though
Mason Reyes
Yeah, but Joyboy is the Devil.
>Why does Jocasta has human arms and legs?
Hank was experimenting with some kind of... I want to say synthmatter? It's not real flesh and blood, but it looks and behaves like it.
Jocasta wants to look human, because she wants to be viewed as a real person rather than a robot. Which makes sense, since she's the brain engrams of Janet Pym, one of the most human people there are. So Hank did this for her.
Good thing, too, or she might have taken his head off with this slap.
Hmmm. In the context of this thread...
TFW Gillen just wanted to do something special for Iron Man's 60th anniversary and this was what he came up with. I was very disappointed.
Cameron Ross
Archie Sonic and.his supporting cast had human DNA
Jeremiah Bailey
...what?
Austin Wilson
>Hank was experimenting with some kind of... I want to say synthmatter? It's not real flesh and blood, but it looks and behaves like it.Jocasta wants to look human, because she wants to be viewed as a real person rather than a robot. Which makes sense, since she's the brain engrams of Janet Pym, one of the most human people there are. So Hank did this for her.
This leaves out the context that after Jan was believed to have died in Secret Invasion, Hank and Jocasta were dating, this happened when Jocasta figured out Hank was using her as a substitute for Jan.
Nolan Davis
you mean besides all the forced leftist sjw propaganda?
Luke Baker
Xorda Genebombs. Left a foul taste and stench on the fanbase
Dylan Foster
Wait, so the 52 Multiversity map is out of date?
How does this fit in with the dark multiverse and other multiverse stuff?
Why are they making a DCeased zombie event when Blackest Night was already a great zombie event?
Alexander Gray
How pathetic was their desperation to ape the movies out of desire for 'synergy', and getting it completely wrong in the process.
Jacob Baker
Jet didn't get AIDS until she was attacked by Hemogoblin. He also managed to give Extrano and Harbinger HIV.
The New Guardians was an amazing series.
Aiden Moore
It would be hilarious if not for the Iron Man and War Machine fans who had to live through what Bendis was doing. For the same reasons, Vision fans probably had a lucky escape from that cancelled mini by Chelsea Cain.
William Ramirez
Bendis standard fare. Synergy sales fund schooling for his wife's kids.
Nathan Cooper
Millennium is a perfect example of why event comics suck. The plot is dumb and convoluted, the NEW characters are forgettable (save Extrano), and it fucked up the entire line for years to come. Happy to reunite with your dad, Wally West? Surprise, he was a Manhunter this entire time!
However, The New Guardians is such an amazing train wreck of a book that it almost makes up for all the bullshit. Also, Mark Waid was in charge of it's letters section, which I'm sure is a nightmare he doesn't want to remember.
Samuel Walker
My issue with Johns writing Wonder Woman is that he writes her as if "she's not human and can't relate to tha human" when her whole premise and character is the living embodiment of love and compassion.
Tyler Peterson
New Guardians is fucking amazing, especially fucking Snowflame: a villain whose powers are literally fueled by cocaine
Aiden King
I'm embarrassed I bought books during this event.
Justin Garcia
>her whole premise and character is the living embodiment of love and compassion
Come on now Wondyfag, that's not what she is at all
Samuel Morgan
Oh, it was much worse than that. This was after Jo discovered Hank had been using her as the operating system for a device to get Jan back.
Oh, it's a little... complicated...
Alexander Morgan
She's supposed to be perfect.
Jose Garcia
Shut up Johns, Wonder Woman has lost her powers several times and even worked as a fast food wagecuck and didn't think it was beneath her. She even blinded herself to slay a Medusa and travelled through Hades just to revive a child that was turned to stone by said Medusa. Even in Blackest Night she becomes A STAR SAPPHIRE OF LOVE.
Jayden Cook
Wonder Woman literally worked at DC's equivalent of Taco Bell and didn't see it as beneath her.
William Reed
I think my absolute favorite part of the book is the plot: It's just their misadventures of trying to get on a plane.
All they want to do is fly to South Africa to beat up the Nazi who created Hemogoblin, and it takes them 8 issues to accomplish that. Out of a 12 issue run.
Sebastian Murphy
That should be the villains superpower, infects his enemies with AIDS/HIV.
Benjamin Allen
Living the dream
Grayson Walker
What? What prevents them from getting on a plane?
Was it commercial or private?
Lucas Gomez
Its just a damn fun read, even better than Mr T and the T Force
Christopher Hill
Star Sapphires are retarded, by far the worst of all the ring bearer corps.
They group would need to be rewritten from the ground up to stop being terrible.
Christian Young
Pa Kent literally met Clark in the afterlife after having a heart-attack just after The Death of Superman and stopped him from being tricked into going to Hell.
Kayden Powell
This is why i wonder why Geoff Johns still gets work when all he knows are retcons
Evan James
Multiverses are a cancer.
Austin Moore
Still not as retarded as OMD.
Henry Ward
I'm not an american, is Taco Bell supposed to be a bad place to work on?
Asher Bennett
>"Hypertime"
I love it
Gabriel Roberts
Its all fast food jobs that suck.
Joseph Ward
Superman is an actual hero.
Unlike SOME people.
Especially bad considering that Pete made a deal with the devil after God literally spoke to him personally and told him it was time to let his old-ass aunt go.
Dylan Rogers
Taco Bell is known for their cheapness. Considered by many one of the lowest of fast food.
Possibly their meat is dogfood levels of quality, which is why they can sell a 5 layer burrito for $1.
Dylan Thompson
I've posted this before, but in the post-Crisis there was a storyline where Charybdis, the mutant supervillain who's responsible for Aquaman losing his hand, kidnaps Aquaman's friends and family, steals their powers, and tortures the crap out of them.
The storyline ends in the weirdest fucking way when it turns out that the magic Charybdis absorbed from Atlan, Aquaman's wizard biological father, restored his sanity, so Charybdis just asks Aquaman for a truce.
Kayden Howard
Maybe he's overzealously virtue signaling.
>... why is doctor death on your te-
>FUCK DRUMPF AND FUCK WHITE PEOPLE AMIRITE
>YA BOI
Jacob Gomez
First rule of fighting: discuss word definitions beforehand.
Michael Hall
Gabriel Allen
Why couldn't Peter just accept what all men have to?
That your loved ones will one day die naturally and you should let life run it's course.
And why make a deal with the devil? For all he knew Mephisto could have make the world a worse place just to let him have a selfish wish.
Carson Brooks
Jaxson Miller
Grayson Morgan
I can no longer hate this part of her backstory, because look at that motherfucker.
Evan Carter
>Lava Monster Cultural Studies 101
Jacob Edwards
>Also, Mark Waid was in charge of it's letters section, which I'm sure is a nightmare he doesn't want to remember.
Looking at his work history, his time as an editor seems pretty rough. Lots of eight issue stints on different books, before being moved away to another one.
And he screwed up some of the "Who's Who" update fact checks
Gavin Wilson
Charybdis: Terrorist, Supervillain, Film Critic.
Liam Collins
Levi Morgan
why is she the "living embodiment of love and compassion" after being raised by a bunch of man-hating rapists?
Zachary Roberts
Jackson Nelson
Kevin Turner
And here it ends. Charybdis swims off and is never seen again until the post-Flashpoint Continuity. I guess he kept his word to retire and met a nice she-beast.
Parker Lee
depends
a lot of filipinos i know believe in the rapture
Camden Gutierrez
The CIA, coke dealers, AIDS, child soldiers, burned down homes, nefarious Japanese, evil communists, INVASION!, dead team members, spirit journeys, and a gene bomb. A whole ton of shit.
It would be comedy gold if wasn't so boring.
Ryder Collins
The CIA, coke dealers, AIDS, child soldiers, burned down homes, nefarious Japanese, evil communists, INVASION!, dead team members, spirit journeys, and a gene bomb. A whole ton of shit.
It would be comedy gold if it wasn't so boring.
Josiah Myers
Juan Rodriguez
How can you rape that which has no dick?
Anthony Ortiz
>first world problems
Elijah Parker
Christ why have so many heroes been raped?
Even the Hulk has been raped by a random slave girl when his neck was broken.
Caleb Perry
And then she killed herself because being trans is just the beginning of a mountain of chemical and mental issues these people have
Many people would suffer, the people who employ her, the people who rented to her and ultimately even after "it" hangs itself, the poor mortician would have to stress over the headache of what the gender IS over what she wants.
Gavin Flores
So many heroes...and never the one clown that really deserves it.
Ryder Mitchell
you know what I like about this Barbara in the next page tries to move past it and barely acknowledges it
Oliver Rodriguez
Pretty sure most rape victims don't have one but whatever.
Brayden Martin
>listened to the fans
Yeah, that's always the best solution...
Liam Martinez
Silver Surfer actually have a dick though. That silver coating over his entire body is basically a cosmic armor that grants him the Power Cosmic. Can easily dissipate the silver coating and return to his original form.
Eli Roberts
I liked the Flash, Shazam, and Swamp Thing tie-ins.
Adrian Lewis
is this loss?
Aiden White
Also...
Justin Edwards
>human laws applies to space lolis
Charles Sanders
Not sure what that means, was she going to the clinic dress like a woman and the doctor assumed she was a woman or did she went dress as a man and the doctor still called her a woman?
Or is he biological male and the doctor called him a he? Because if that is the case why would the doctor assume he was a woman if he was there to check if he could impregnate someone with this penis?
Josiah Turner
And then Byrne killed him
John Ross
>travelled through Hades just to revive a child that was turned to stone by said Medusa
I cringed really hard at that scene, I don’t even know why
The only thing I can guess is that if Rucka had not put that against getting her eyesight back I wouldn’t have hated it so much, most likely
Joseph Long
byrne did the right thing for once
Camden Wright
After COIE, thanks to the inclusion of Captain Marvel to the main DC universe and the new Wonder Woman origin story, we have Billy Batson being empowered by a literal rapist
Andrew Gutierrez
Because Geoff Johns can't write a good Wonder Woman story without making her ax crazy or shipping her with an already married Superman.
Bentley Garcia
Shut up Geoff you hack.
Brandon Reyes
Eh it's Hercules. A guy literally known to once in a wild fit murder his wife and children.
Or did you mean Zeus? Who also had a bunch of rape stories already.
Ryder Walker
Christopher Morales
You say that even though the Blackest Night WW story shipped her with Batman???
Gabriel Evans
I feel like someone should've mentioned Identity Crisis not only for the two mindwipes but also killing off Tim Drake's dad, Captain Boomerang, Firestorm, and Sue Dibny
Julian Allen
>shipped her with Batman
I try to ignore that. Even though it was really fucking stupid.
Adrian Williams
Wasn't Hercules poisoned which greatly affected his state of mind when that happened?
Aiden Rodriguez
And here's a time he did the wrong thing, making Sandman a villain again, while revealing Ben Grimm never believed he'd reformed, and had been spying on him for years.
Later writers retconned this so that Sandman was brainwashed by the Wizard who wanted a Frightful Four reunion, but that was 20 years ago, and nobody ever undid the brainwashing.
Asher Davis
Bryne also made Sandman and Norman Osborne related.
Because they had the same hairstyle.
Jonathan Gomez
>When has Wolverine killed INNOCENT people?
He killed a SHIELD medical staffer that was established as innocent. She wasn't in hell when her son got there after committing suicide.
Why he did it was never elaborated upon, but he wasn't possessed at the time. Best guess is it was something akin to when he stabbed Rogue in the films. He freaked the fuck out when he woke up in a hospital bed and did it on reflex.
Kevin Cox
>Later writers retconned this so that Sandman was brainwashed by the Wizard who wanted a Frightful Four reunion, but that was 20 years ago, and nobody ever undid the brainwashing.
someone should bug Ewing about this, I bet he could do something with it in one of his books
Jace Wright
eh that one I don't mind(might be because I'm a long time Wold Newton Universe fanboy though), especially since they're only like 3rd or 4th cousins from my recollection
Joshua Rogers
The record holder for this will always be Namor. Why the fuck did Marvel revive him? His film rights are in limbo, and he's basically just soggy Hitler.
Next is Bishop.
Minor case is Quentin, but he's probably the most hated example.
Cameron Gonzalez
>You can't get arrested for statutory rape if you're the one enforcing the law.
Jacob Stewart
>What are some retarded things that happened comics?
The street level crook The Shocker, former Avenger Dr. Druid, and terrorist Vibro sacrificed a small town to rewrite reality so that a villain named Nighteater could become the hero Nightwatch.
Also, the Shocker reveals he wishes he could go straight because he has apparently never heard of the Thunderbolts.
Hunter James
Hell, wasn't Byrne's Demon supposed to all be about how everyone after Kirby fucked him up and that Byrne just HAD to fix it?
Samuel Morris
>The street level crook The Shocker, former Avenger Dr. Druid, and terrorist Vibro sacrificed a small town to rewrite reality so that a villain named Nighteater could become the hero Nightwatch.
And since then Sony announced plans for a Nightwatch movie which may force Marvel to undo this retcon, or explain Nighteater away as an evil AU version.
Lucas Nelson
God, that whole Earth 2/Futures End/Convergence storyline is fucking embarrassing, the true nadir of the New 52 debacle
I'd rather have Heroes in Crisis and Bendisman than that
Carson Scott
Why would Marvel care about Sony movies?
Jack Murphy
Byrne claims he was fixing Vision and restoring him to his original concept by making him emotionless. Because Byrne didn't consider Vision's life to have any value, he wrote the Avengers as not appearing to care about what happened to him. That was 1989, Vision and Wanda have never been allowed to recover from what Byrne did to them.
Gabriel Sanders
>Heroes in Crisis just killed off a bunch of people and turned Wally into a monster.
Considering they all got wiped by the Speed Force, I'm willing to bet that their "essence" is trapped in there and just needs a strong enough "jolt" to have them materialize back from the dead. I know how retarded this sounds but I wouldn't put it past DC.
Jose Walker
I can't see the problem. Looks business as usual
Thomas Bailey
Sometimes it seems like part of being a comic writer is being emotionally maladjusted, or outright sociopaths.
Chase Ross
Speed Force is the worst.
Eli Baker
I meant Herc, and if my Greek mythology doesn’t fail me now he was under the influence of Hera when he did that
Blake Bailey
Oliver Hill
should be brought back as an actress themed supervillain honestly.
Ayden Thomas
Hercules was murdered by a centaur. Did his murder rage happened pre-labors? Because his wife was the secondary cause for his death.
Jace Wright
There's no bad blood between Marvel and Sony like there was with Fox. Even if the Venom Cinematic Universe remains separate from the MCU, there's no reason for Marvel not to launch comics for those characters when they get movies, and take a chance on the book succeeding. A Black Cat series already started, and they'll certainly launch a new Morbius book in time for his new movie. If Nightwatch gets a movie and they don't give him a book, Twitter might call them a racist.
Jaxon Sanders
It's like a weird combo of time travel and a reality stone to some degree. I can't even fathom including something like that in my own work. Its a get out of jail free card of epic proportions.
Jaxson Morgan
Herc has two wives. The first was murdered with their sons by Herc under the influence of Hera, and to repent for it he performed his famous twelve labours. After having completed them he remarried.
One day he killed a centaur thief, but before he actually died he told Herc’s wife that she should bath a vest in his blood: if she ever suspected that Herc was going to betray her she would have him wear that vest and his love would return. Eventually she had him wear it, and it turns out that it caused him unimaginable suffering, without the ability to take it off. He ended up having to burn himself to death to escape the pain
Jackson Jackson
It used to be really good. Then all the bad writers started doing their own takes on it and now it's poop.
Ian James
i'm convinced it was this awful plotline that made marvel pick carol as the female character to champion as a feminist icon. it's so creepy
Joshua Ross
Camden Jackson
Can't have been that. Shit happened outside the comic.
Ian Mitchell
Lincoln Sullivan
Wizard mindraped Sandman to turn evil after a brief stint in the Avengers and has remained a villain for over 20 years
John Sullivan
A writer self-inserting to fuck their husbando non-consensually.
Both male and females capeshit writers can be THAT GUY.
Samuel Anderson
Brody Cook
Byrne's story has Wonder Man refuse to help try and restore Vision to normal because he wants Wanda himself, and sees this as his opportunity. Wasp encourages him. Readers were meant to be on his side, as the focus of the story becomes not about the horrible tragedies that were happening to Vision and Wanda, or how they deal with it, but about Wonder Man's unrequited love angst. Later writers were maladjusted enough to make it requited love.
Ayden Sanchez
At least Marv Wolfman/Donna Troy and Warren Ellis/Kitty Pryde were consensual.
Anthony Lopez
Did Grayson force Waid to cosplay as Nightwing during sex?
Carter Williams
Pretty sure Wally being the killer was already a retcon, we see LagoonBoy get kill by a spear way after the others are dead in a previous issue.
Jordan Carter
I'm worried the next time Simone writes Catman...
Blake Rivera
I'm more surprised that the woke crowd hasn't tried to "cancel" Grayson yet.
Aiden Gonzalez
Her thing is giant women crushing people to death/eating them, no?
Owen Hughes
Ellis waifuing Kitty is weird, you would think Emma would be more his speed.
Aiden Wright
Wasn't he literally imprisoned by Nazis, or was that retconned?
Alexander Hernandez
>expecting modern comicbooks to keep their shit straight
>even over the course of a single plotline
Brody Myers
Tom King just retcon himself. Don’t see a problem here.
Jason Fisher
Emma wasn't the same character then, she stopped being a villain just months earlier, and wasn't in the book Ellis was writing. There's a good chance it was more about Ellis trolling the audience, using a self-insert character to take the virginity of the readers' waifu more than him actually waifuing Kitty himself.
Xavier Lewis
Yes but Catman is her husbando, just don’t be surprised when Black Alice inevitably fucks him.
Jayden Lewis
Apparently the speedforce altered the memories of those that were wiped so their final memories aren't of Wally doing the did, but something else.
Super Secret Plot Twist: Lagoon Boy was murdered by someone else other than Wally and they merely capitalized on the situation. THE KILLER IS STILL OUT THERE!!!!
Given how capable the DC Trinity is (assumedly), why in gods name did any of them think that self-guided therapy was the answer for mental illness. There's a reason these people are broken, because they can't do this shit on their own. They tried that and look where it got em'...right back to Sanctuary. Giving "broken toys" a holodeck that can create anything their heart desires is the farthest thing from therapy that I can imagine. Using the deck to indulge in you sadomasochistic fantasies is not healthy. I literally don't know what the ultimate goal of Sanctuary was because it damn well wasn't improving mental health.
Anthony James
1. She's a proud woman sexually expressing and empowering herself through her writing, not some creepy old perverted manchild who degrades women with his disgusting fantasies
2. A lot of them probably fantasize about doing the same to Nightwing themselves
3. Remember when Chelsea Cain almost got "cancelled" for character assassination and exploiting the topic of rape? Interesting how the conversation got quickly shifted to evil Yea Forums trolls harrassing poor Cain, and everyone forgot about "canceling" her...
Ayden Stewart
>Given how capable the DC Trinity is
You mean the Trinity that couldn't even stop Harley Quinn while they had her 3 vs 1?
Jose Perez
God fucking dammit. Forgot about that. In their defense Harley Quinn has the second largest set of plot armor right behind Joker so I'm kinda willing to ignore it.
Ian Mitchell
Shut up Brian.
Jayden Cook
Looking at Magic Johnson, Bruce Wayne would have a natural immunity.
Asher Ramirez
This was Larsen's run, right?
Joseph Robinson
So the speedforce allows you to run fast and changes people memories?
Yeah that sounds like good writing.
Mason Russell
>Hell, wasn't Byrne's Demon supposed to all be about how everyone after Kirby fucked him up and that Byrne just HAD to fix it?
Yep. He tried to hard retcon John Wagner, Alan Grant and Garth Ennis' runs on Demon.
Ennis of course ignored the fuck out of the retcon later, and so did everyone else eventually
William Lopez
SPEED FORCE!!!!
Josiah Howard
He doesn't watch a lot of movies, but he can quote Robocop
Jason Bell
when did Ennis write Etrigan again after Byrne? The All-Star-Section-Eight stuff?
Austin Roberts
And Hitman, yeah. Byrne's WW was pretty early, started in the late 90s
Brody Torres
>Jen gets injured thanks to her friend Carol and goes into a coma during CW2
>Her cousin gets killed in the same event
>Jen wakes up grey then gets her own comic
>Marvel decides to hire a writer that focuses on her having PTSD even though Jen has suffered just as badly before without an issue
>She-hulk was a beautiful and intelligent strong woman. Writer decides to take those two qualities away. In fact, she can't even keep it straight of She-hulk is dumb or not in her hulk form
>Spends about the first six issues not turning into She-hulk and being afraid of everything
>In Cho-Hulk's book, Carol is hanging around him to make she he doesn't go rogue over Bruce's death, yet Jen is actually suffering and no one checks on her
>Except Hellcat, who is strangely nearly stalking her and acting like she has a crush
>Jen complains that no one understands, yet there are other gamma powered people - especially one that is a psychologist!
>Plus all the weird stuff, like every single straight male character is a bad guy and an old woman follows Jen around that even creeps her out.
I'm not a CG guy, but I do see some of the points that had about that book. The only good thing was the writer fixed She-hulk as the series ended. Only for Jason Aaron to pretty much undo all that make her Bruce with tits.
Charles Hernandez
>Not pregnant anymore
Oh? Did Robin check?
>BTW: If I recall correctly (I haven't re-read the series in ages) it was implied quite heavily at first that Hal was the father.
Ian Hernandez
I still remember that a woman did a history of Dick Grayson article where she said that female characters objectifying Dick was a good thing because it made female fans more comfortable with their sexuality. She also conveniently left out the Mirage situation and Grayson’s run.
Cooper Myers
I actually like this WCA storyline. It always weirded me out that Wanda married a robot with the brainwaves of a co-worker and everyone was perfectly okay with that.
Jacob Hill
No shit. Genesis waves erased that clusterfuck.
Nathan Cooper
She's fixed again in titles later this year so soon we can forget this whole embarrasing period.
Liam Gonzalez
>I'm not a CG guy, but
I wish we could go back to being able to criticize flawed books without a horde of anti-CGs jumping out shouting "gator! gator!"
Xavier Rogers
There's some incorrect timeline stuff here.
Byrne started writing Wonder Woman in (cover date) September 1995. His last issue would be in August 1998. Bryne spent a LOT of time using Etrigan in Wonder Woman and wiping away the work of the last decade of writers.
Ennis started writing The Demon back in October 1993, and ended in May 1995.
Meanwhile, there was a weird Demon miniseries called "Driven Out" by Dystart in which Etrigan became bonded to a small Japanese woman.
In May 2005 Byne got his revenge and wrote "Blood of the Demon," an ongoing series, for a year and a half. Etrigan pretty much went into limbo after that, outside of the occasional random appearance.
Ennis did get to use him again in All Star Section Eight, and used had Etrigan shill his collected trade
Nolan Morris
>female characters objectifying Dick was a good thing because it made female fans more comfortable with their sexuality
I mean, she's not wrong
However, I can bet that she also thinks that if there's even a hint of anything sexual related to a female character it's misogyny and oppression
Isaiah Johnson
>history of Dick Grayson article where she said that female characters objectifying Dick was a good thing
another user found this when reading some of Kyle's GL
Tyler Hall
Maybe if Yea Forums wrote more letters, they would be working for DC now.
Michael Flores
>Playgirl
Mason Campbell
>It always weirded me out that Wanda married a robot with the brainwaves of a co-worker and everyone was perfectly okay with that.
Are you Bendis? That's what he said. Wonderman was dead before Wanda ever joined the Avengers, she never knew him before she met and married Vision, who was meant to be more than "a robot". Writers have used the brainwaves thing to keep claiming they're the same, but it doesn't make any sense because they have very different personalities.
Ryder Price
>I think I know who Superboy is a clone of. How about Lex Luthor?
You motherfucker
Ethan Collins
There's at least three known Johns fan letters. The third is for Kupperberg's awful Doom Patrol, but teenage Johns loved it
Jayden Evans
They still didn't learn from it I guess, considering they just had the event "Infinity Wars" last year.
William Bennett
He's not just 'a robot', he's his own person.
Just because a dude's not made of meat doesn't prevent him from being a sapient individual.
Anthony Sanchez
Wow. Johns did not grow up at all, did he?
Parker Russell
An event that shared a similar name to the MCU movie, and used the Guardians but not the Avengers, outside of those Infinity Warps issues. As a synergy event, it was very odd.
Zachary Sanders
Remember when Ice Maiden was flayed alive? A villainess wanted her alabaster skin. Oh yeah, her skin was actually never alabaster, but blue, but who the fuck reads comics?.
Jayden Harris
>pol
Opinion discarded.
Brandon Ward
Those were some nice comics.
Jackson Ramirez
edgy
Jayden Nelson
DBS at least had Vegeta actively state his goal was to return the destroyed universes and ended with 17 bringing them all back so it kinda evens out
Charles Williams
Literally only happened because Morrison was too idiotic to figure out that the sex in Son of the Demon was consensual.
John Gutierrez
Nothing will ever top Busiek’s “not muh X-Men” letter.
Jayden Turner
>Are you Bendis? That's what he said.
Oh fuck...that hurt, user.
When I started reading avengers in the 80s, Simon was alive again. It just seemed weird to me. Like, even if today, they put an Alexa or Siri into a Real Doll, how many years would that take before people would stop going, "uuuuuhhhhhh."
But the Avengers books always seemed weird to me. They had a butler and lived in a mansion - that always seemed weird to me.
>Just because a dude's not made of meat doesn't prevent him from being a sapient individual.
So Vision is....transhuman?
>carlos.jpg
Seriously though, I like Vision, but the marriage - in present day - always seemed like it should turn more heads. At least in TNG, Tasha fucking Data doesn't seem so bad because everyone is fucking holograms in their spare time.
Luis Martinez
JSA Classified was pretty much a total disaster. The first couple arcs were passable, then the rest of it was just terrible stories by random writers.
Including a story that disregarded all DC canon to do a "NAZIS IN SPAAAACE" story
Ian Green
17 bullshit was so terrible, why did both Super and GT feel the need to shill him so hard?
Nathaniel Turner
>Ultron Pym
Good god I want to see the Pym family Thanksgiving
>Hank
>Janet and some rando fuckboi she brought
>Ultron
>Jocasta
>Victor
>Vision
>Wanda
>Viv
>Wanda's kids
>Hulkling
>Pietro
>Magneto
Aaron Fisher
Even if he were to be a clone of the other guy, which he isn't at all, the more time he spends active means his experiences would alter the person he is different from the other individual.
But the point is moot since his personality was never the same as the other guy.
Blake Perry
No retcon but they did edit out the Hitler comment in the trade compilations. It was one of the few times anyone from Marvel ever apologized.
Jack Diaz
stuff like this is why DC & Marvel really need to keep their stuff PG rated, Superhero comics just don't work most of the time when you try to do them at PG13 or R rated content*
*there's exceptions of course but those are rare
Adam Murphy
It's really not so much Simon's personality but that the fact that she married an artificial human. Especially during the "no more muties" heyday of Marvel citizens. No one ever found it odd - ever - was strange to me.
Joseph Hughes
Bab's roommate revealing she's trans while Barbra's talking about her serial killer brother is up there with "My father is dead"
Jeremiah Jackson
It's the cheapest and easiest way to introduce trauma to a hero, beat out only by dead parents and lovers. It's also an easy way to get retards to look at shit, hell look at Yea Forums, a thread about a shitty manga will get maybe 10 replies but if it has a graphic on page rape you'll get 500+ replies and requests for source, though Yea Forums is a special case
Colton Mitchell
That's Claremont.
Justin Turner
Sandman stopped being an Avenger due to a miscommunication because Cap did not tell him something. This will probably never get mentioned again in modern comics, but I hope they do since I just want Sandman to be an avenger again!
Parker Powell
>the crimson bands of... something
heh
I was considering that when I mentioned "the 2000s".
I don't even recall if a lot else on DC back then was above the usual shitshow as much as that mini.
Ryder Lopez
That's because once you introduce deep "real world" subjects into superheros, the ludicrousness of the genre becomes gravely apparent.
How can you take Batman or Superman seriously when people are getting raped and tortured?
Luke Russell
Jacob Price
Bendis is now teasing something with the same name, and using OMAC
Christopher Smith
Yeah, I basically consider that non canon.
Morrison tied a lot of old Batman stuff together which I admire but he should have reread that story instead of relying on memory.
Joshua Rogers
Don't forget that two of the original candidates for the team was Terra (who didn't join on account of being dead) and a South African business mogul who declined because he was a virulent racist and didn't want to work with darkies, chinamen, and liberals.
Parker Cook
This book
Isaiah Nguyen
IIRC, the artist actually objected to how graphic the torture scene was written in the script
Who was the writer? Clearly a ryonafag
Gavin Clark
Asher Torres
"War Games" was a bunch of writers, but I think that it was Bill Willingham who did the Steph stuff
Joseph Hall
Dylan Horrocks wound up leaving Batgirl in disgust over it.
>"They were making me so unhappy and I probably wasn't doing a great job ... my scripts were getting later and later. That big crossover event was the low point for me. So much of that was repulsive to me. The whole thing revolved around a teenage girl being tortured slowly to death.
>"We had a meeting in New York to discuss the crossover. There was a lot of leeway to come up with storylines, but the bottom line was that, by the end of it, this girl had to be dead. It was like going to New York to plan a hit."
Mason Johnson
based Horrocks
Robert Rodriguez
But that’s wrong, you retarded pond scum
Juan Parker
>So much of that was repulsive to me. The whole thing revolved around a teenage girl being tortured slowly to death.
wHAT A PHAGGOT
THAT SHITS HOT AS FUCK
Joseph Stewart
But this is all wrong. The 'real' Captain America (who himself was just a copy made by Franklin Richards during Heroes Reborn) died at the start of Secret Wars. The one who came after that was basically just a perfect copy made by Franklin Richards with the memories of the original cap, that's the same with almost the entirety of the Marvel universe save a handful of characters.
Carson Edwards
Reminds me of the lady that just ragequit working at DC after Infinity Crisis, those faggots were so happy about the rape pages when they arrived. No superhero fan signs up for that shit when they go to work on comics.
Jace Moore
Frankly they should have just retconned that whole fiasco of a run Hackman made out of existence.
Levi Turner
I think you are thinking of Valerie D'Orazio, and that was after Identity Crisis.
I think she's said that she was being abused by Mike Carlin at around the same time.
Austin Myers
Yes, Identity Crisis, my bad.
What the fuck man.
Robert Morgan
It also establishes that the time she and Marko had sex was canon again
Matthew Miller
...I don't think anyone wants to take that into consideration
Ryan Russell
who's the furry archer?
Henry Myers
It's like a lot of the comic book makers out there read Watchmen and completely missed the point.
William Long
That's John Jameson, the Man-Wolf.
Zachary Thompson
I think it's John Jameson, aka Man-Wolf/Stargod
Ayden Barnes
Man-Wolf, J.J. Jameson son who who discovered a mystical amulet in the Moon and was transformed into a magical werewolf
Leo Long
start explaining.
Grayson Flores
AKA Jonah's son, the astronaut.
Jacob Myers
Didn't they try to bury that?
Nicholas Miller
Wasn't that the Eclipso event? Or did they do 2 Captain Marvel is pure and Superman isn't stories?
Julian Phillips
It's really hard to tell. A lot of things make it seem that way, but she ends up 'winning' and being seen as a hero, and no one who's conscious is even there to second-guess her. She comes off as pro-facist but the story never really reflects on the issues with this.
Eli Sanchez
Oh for fuck sake. Is there any character that Bendis can’t ruin?
Landon Wood
Hunter Brooks
In fact, he left mainstream comics all together.
Hunter Morgan
Juan Myers
>ctrl+f Salvation Run
>0 results
Not as offensively stupid as most of the example on this page but it was yet another dumb "event" (wherein most of the dead villains were primarily connected to the Teen Titans, as is tradition. In fact IIRC they used the opportunity to bump off Thunder and Lightning despite them actually having been good guys for decades).
Gabriel Hill
In the issue where the public finds out about them, people form a terrorist group trying to kill him to stop the robots from rising up and stealing our women. They used suicide bombers, years before that became a regular thing IRL. Both times they tried to retire and move to suburbia, they faced people trying to run them out of town, there was more of this in King's Vision series with his new family.
What you're seeing is the Avengers not finding it odd because most of them have known Vision for years and already accepted him as a person.
Matthew Anderson
Humility. That does not impede her perfection. Wait, what do you think 'perfect' means?
Elijah Harris
I'm glad you explained this because I read this and completely forgot what happens in it.
Joseph Nguyen
Slott went full autist about it and tried to retcon it as an AU She-Hulk, because Juggernaut isn't allowed to reform and Jen would never sleep with someone who tried to kill the Hulk. Didn't expect to see one of his retcons undone while he's still at Marvel.
Alexander Moore
People like you don't help.
Daniel Gutierrez
Oh come on, he makes mistakes but people are too hard on him.
Owen Robinson
>Vision and Wanda have never been allowed to recover from what Byrne did to them.
But then again you can't really blame Byrne for that because if it hasn't gotten retconned even to this day then marvel writers clearly don't give a shit about Vision or Wanda being togehter.
Mason Gomez
>Bendis is using OMAC
No... no... no...
Dear God, the art.
And virtually all Marvel characters are now copies made by Franklin Richards. Existence is a meaningless nightmare.
Except it's not, because for once continuity is less important than the fact these characters are who they always were. The events are fictional, ignore them freely.
Justin Sanchez
I guess they did. Didn't Black Panther return to Earth at a point before the Incursions?
Everybody's a Deadpool now...
>completely forgot what happens in it.
Nothing of any consequence- EXCEPT this is how Post-Crisis Superman, who is Silver Age Superman, came back into continuity.
Cooper King
Speaking of Byrne's run on Wonder Woman, i actually kinda like it. It isn't perfect but it is enjoyable.
Jace Ramirez
>implying there is anything wrong with putting their fetishes into comics
Only normalfags get mad at that kinda stuff.
Jonathan Gonzalez
user, we haven't even gone near the comics that made people think he could be a pedo.
Let's instead talk about the two times Byrne killed off children because he wanted to permanently end a relationship, so the children had to die too. In his Wonder Woman, he couldn't just kill Terry Long, he had to kill Donna Troy's son, and her stepdaughter as well.
In his Avengers, he didn't just break up Wanda and Vision, he revealed their children weren't real, Wanda was just insane and they were fragments of Mephisto. Doctor Strange had delivered the children, and had confirmed there was nothing wrong with them. The other Avengers just shrug it off as one of their weirder adventures. King's Vision series makes it even worse with a retcon that Vision always knew the children weren't real, and this was after they'd been brought back as Wiccan and Speed. King actually made an apology for that scene.
Isaac Cruz
I'll be frank, except for some wonky perspective on the hands this is far from the worst artwork I've seen.
Mason Scott
Busiek's Avengers revisits this story, where Carol meets a son of Kang who looks identical and is also called Marcus. Her PTSD is triggered every time she sees him, but she's also very attracted to him.
Elijah Bell
My son. In the name of your sanity, DON'T look up this book. The internal art (as opposed to this cover) is a crime against God, Nature and man.
Caleb Phillips
...I need to read 'Kang Dynasty'.
Josiah Ramirez
>tfw Jen will never pick you up
Also i miss these two
Dominic Stewart
>Everybody's a Deadpool now...
She-Hulk was deadpool before deadpool.
Brody Anderson
>Let's instead talk about the two times Byrne killed off children because he wanted to permanently end a relationship
Terry Long had been divorced from Donna for years by that point. He literally just did it as an impetus to permanently take Donna out of the picture as Wonder Girl so Cassie could take her place.
Charles Bell
...Granted.
Isaac Long
This just goes back to a lot of comics writers being emotionally maladjusted, or outright sociopaths, constantly identifying with the third party in a love triangle, or pushing their fanfic crackships over what the readers want to see. A lot of fans are convinced Brevoort hated them together, because he's been the editor that allowed everything from 1997 onwards, and they're some of the few characters where Marvel has fought against MCU synergy.
Luis Taylor
>user, we haven't even gone near the comics that made people think he could be a pedo
This is Yea Forums, no one here has any right to judge what people get off to. Also like i said he has made mistakes but people nowadays act here like he has done nothing good.
Parker Stewart
>This is Yea Forums, no one here has any right to judge what people get off to.
Even we can draw the line somewhere.
Carson Evans
Okay, thanks for the heads-up. Couldn't tell that from what was posted.
Child characters getting killed pisses me off. The death of Lian Harper (a genuine fridging used as a narrative motivator for Green Arrow when it was actually Black Canary who was close to Roy and his daughter) was a major factor in my stopping following cape comics on the reg.
On that note, Gay for Justice was nigh-unreadable garbage and absolutely belongs in this thread.
Jordan Brown
Good. The current run has fixed the Hawkman mess the best way it possibly could. I can't wait to see how DC fucks it up again
Cameron Young
Them dying accidentally is obviously a total retcon but not really the problem I have with this. It's all the shit wally did after. Framing people and laying his fake corpse next to Roy because it "felt right"? That's some fucked up shit
Andrew Harris
What makes it worse is how pointless it was. He said he needed the time to 'make things right' and the grand total of his atoning wound up being...leaking unedited video footage and resurrecting Poison Ivy via the speed force. There's no indication that he couldn't of just done that in the same afternoon.
Oliver Gray
All’s well that ends well, than
Thomas Ramirez
Like being lolicon? Hell no.
Jack White
>Wait, what do you think 'perfect' means?
Not letting Geoff Johns write anything Wonder Woman related.
Gavin Gutierrez
Surprisingly, it's always certain users who try to pull this card...
Joshua Harris
Fuck off. That was a great run. If they hadn't gone YELLOW SPACE BUG, Hal losing it and turning supervillain then fighting for redemption would have been a perfect arc for his character.
Wyatt Bennett
What card? That Yea Forums is full of degenerates? Because last time checked it is still true.
Evan Adams
I still reread Underworld Unleashed occasionally. It's a genuinely fun mini and Trickster getting to be the main character was so much fun. Neron had a surprising amount of lastability as a villain, and even popped up much later on in 52 where he goes up against Ralph Dibney in Ralph's final, arguably best bit of detective work.
In fact, I really enjoyed all of DC's Heaven/Hell shenanigans from that period. Zauriel, Azazel, and Neron were so damn entertaining.
Cameron Myers
I thought Johns was the one still in who's opposed to SS/WW
Anthony Adams
You've gotta love what you do!
Jayden Johnson
....Lewis?
>resurrecting Poison Ivy via the speed force
Nope. She did that herself, through the Green.
That's a pretty low standard.
Jackson Anderson
Why do I get the feeling he's going to completely miss the point of the book and just make a giant DIVERSITEAM that fights the man?
How the fuck is Kirby still ahead of the game? It's been almost fifty years since OMAC was published and it's more relevant than the recent shit they've been doing with him. Are people just stupid?
John Wright
>....Lewis?
Naw, I stopped watching him years ago when he began disappearing up his own behind.
Dominic Adams
The best part is that the art got EVEN WORSE as the book went on
Nathan Perry
Oh God, this art...
Luis Taylor
Magneto is a literal Holocaust survivor and this bitch throws that to him .Fuck Carol Danvers .
Isaiah Miller
>set up character to mirror his father, complete with an inherited genius and good looks, yet also weakness to addiction, toxic behaviour and such a weird upbringing it fucked him up for life
>lol he was adopted and the real son of Howard and Maria was an alien Jesus who is 100x smarter than Tony but sickly
>introduce full retard ‘real’ parents, one of who is a literal Hydra agent
>biological mother character is very clingy then immediately leaves him when he has an identity crisis over his rebuilt body as it’s not the one she gave birth to
They should just retcon the whole thing.
Michael Long
Anything Archie Sonic related between Endgame and Flynn coming on-board can count honestly.
>The Xorda and the Bem
>Green Knuckles dying for the echidna race's sins and warping reality
>Sonic having to go to an alternate zone where the anthros are kaiju monsters and him accidentally killing the kaiju version of his dad. All of which was written by Dan Slott, who generally threw anime references into the book.
>Eggman being a robot who can interface with machines via cable/wire tentacles
>Titan Tails
It's all just so wacky.
Brody Powell
>Bendis using OMAC
This makes me mad.
Liam Brown
Kek
Easton White
>constantly identifying with the third party in a love triangle
Well you must be at least emotionally stunted if this happens every time.
I mean love triangles are mostly shit and when not you don't usually root for the third party.
James Ortiz
The writer completely forgot about the whole concentration camp thing. They copped some shit for it on twatter. Carol coming off as a massive bitch was unintended (though perfectly in character)
Connor Adams
>permanently take Donna out of the picture as Wonder Girl so Cassie could take her place.
And to get Donna out of the Green Lantern book because "she's a WW character and doesn't belong there"
John Walker
>jumping fishhooks!
Kek pieface was a gift from the gods
Xavier Harris
World War Hulk. Suddenly Hulk and his minions were able to defeat everyone specially Black Bolt
James Moore
It's funny because anyone who's tried to get one of their normie "geeky" friends who "Looooove comics and superheroes!" to read a comic, knows full well that normies can't read. Or won't read. I don't know what it is, but they have an almost violent aversion to reading. Whether it be books, comics, forums, it all has to be in video or meme form, or they won't touch it. So if lending them reading material goes that smoothly, it blows my mind these companies think these poor illiterate souls would go out and pay to read something.
Maybe they also know that if you lend a normie a book, you'll never see it again, so they think they hoard them.
Jeremiah Lee
It's funny because most times when synergy would be a good thing, they don't bother. Like bringing Thor back at the right time and stuff. Hell I think they only made Iron Man sympathetic again in time for the second movie.
Nolan Long
While that was probably the case, Lee was awful at remembering things. Kirby had to constantly leave reminders for basic things like characters having met before.
John Lopez
You mean the lightning dimension made of pure time that, causes users to rapidly age or never age, and is so important that requires 1-2 personal versions of Death for it, and also was created by a random lightningbolt hitting miscellaneous csi chemicals?
Yeah it's pretty dumb.
Thomas Lee
I'm a couple years behind on my DC. Are they even treating that as canon or actually Harley pulling it off?
Michael Evans
>specially
did you mean especially or specifically?
Lucas Richardson
It's happened in their current big event comic (Heroes in Crisis) so it's canon for now.
Henry Wright
until king retcons it on twitter
Alexander Thompson
>Making a Strong Queer Womyn less than perfect
He wouldn't dare.
Robert Taylor
good point
Justin Evans
Yeah, cause lets be real here, they're just punching anyone they disagree with. Which is awesome, as a 6'10" dude with years of Maui thai training, and bodybuilding, I can't wait until slugging it out becomes the acceptable norm for public discourse. Pretty sure I could take at least 5 soi bois in a fight. I might even punch my way to the presidential cage match.
Josiah Reed
AIn’t It great?
Logan Baker
Just how powerful is will?
Noah Cooper
Stronger than anything in the universe
Jordan Sanders
I don’t think you would be able to stop the president Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho from being re-elected
Kayden Mitchell
Batman is the superior ship, though.
Justin Thomas
Fun fact: The artist who did this was Skottie Young
Ayden Brown
This was alright, I don't get the hate.
Nicholas Kelly
>still pretending comics aren't a nomal thing for kids to enjoy growing up
I hate to break it to you, but people like comics. The problems don't arise until (man)children decide it's some deep, special-snowflake 'tism-hobby they must obsess and larp 24/7 over.
Grayson Jones
How do more people not realize that Gillen is a hack?
Ethan Cruz
Um... if anyone SHOULDN'T act like a racist asshole it's a Holocaust survivor.
>an alien Jesus who is 100x smarter than Tony but sickly
Arno definitely isn't a hundred times smarter.
A gift from casual racism passed off as a joke.
Camden Young
>Maui thai
I had to check just in case. But I am pretty sure you meant Muy Thai.
I wonder at enormous guys doing martial arts. What are they going for?
Some of his stuff is amazing.
I once said that 'Iron Man is where good writers come to suck'.
Jace Brown
But Marv is very clearly a homosexual
Ethan Wood
>Um... if anyone SHOULDN'T act like a racist asshole it's a Holocaust survivor.
Are you an idiot?
You need to read Maus, just because you endured a torturous existence in a concentration doesn't stop you from being an old bigot.
Carter Morris
What? Harley isn't queer. Bi maybe.
Aaron Morris
You really don't like Byrne?
Andrew Miller
This. Normalfags always have same explanation why he/she doesn't read comics and it is that he/she doesn't have time.
Jackson Wilson
Yeah back in day but not anymore. Also we are talking about normalfags here not kids.